B.C. Expedition 2006

bootpdx
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Posted: July 12th, 2007 04:01 PM

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BCsquatch wrote:
When squatchdog, rkennedy and myself went for that walk it was around 2 am and we had been away from our camp for about 40 minutes. While we were gone rkennedys recorder did tape something bipedal that came into camp and then left. Additionally, we observed a squatch at night through a nightvision scope from 100 feet away for about 15 minutes or so. Secondary evidence of this was discovered by squatchdog and myself at about 7 am.



100 feet away for 15 minutes? WOW. That must have been one hell of a sighting. Can you elaborate on what the subject did for that 15 minutes? Was it aware you were there? Was it watching you? Please, please give me more!
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Perception is key.

BCsquatch
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Posted: July 12th, 2007 09:10 PM

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Yes,
It was aware that we were watching it and after a while it got bored with us and left the area.
There was a bit more to the incident but as an investigative tool I am refraining from releasing the details.
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http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?fo...hreadid=1655066

Again, why am I critical of the BFRO?!

Because this pattern surfaces again and again:

"I saw it but I can't divulge any more information"

"WHERE'S THE BEEF?!"

It is bullshit of course - if they were capable of recording video of these things, then they would put the video on the website to attract more paying customers.

Without video (which never seems to be connected to thermal imaging equipment or night scopes for some reason all they have to do is make noises (no accusations intended) about alleged sightings to keep the money rolling in.

Matt, if you need money for video recording equipment, just let me know, and I'll lend you some - seems a shame to have all these high rollers, and expensive thermal imaging equipment and never plug the damn video recorders in except when there are pancakes around.

Someone admits to being an "investigative tool"? Interesting...

That pancake footage was captured with "cutting edge" equipment, indeed!

And he would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those data driven researchers, and THAT FORUM!

He probably meant to say, "... but to preserve its value as an investigative tool I am refraining from releasing details." I.e., to deter hoaxers from mimicking it and thereby making it valueless as a way of authenticating a claimed encounter.

I agree, Roger, that in reading the text, I construed it the same way you posit.

My problem is why the leap without the meat? It's back-assward.

Such an announcement would not have jeopardized any visual finding if the announcement was never made until the visual findings were verified.

I don't buy a sighting report claiming it has purported visual evidence if such evidence is withheld. Such a claim should only be released when the evidence is released.

If a report says I saw this and that, but have no photos or audio to show for it, fine. But if one says, I saw this and have proof, but I haven't the time yet to study the proof and thereby can't show it because I'm so excited to tell everyone about it right here and now, I say get lost!

Jumping the gun. Don't report the damn thing plying your words as authentic until the visuals are brought along with it if you claim to have visual evidence. Work on the evidence first, then report the findings bundled with the evidence if you're satisfied with such evidence.

You won't make believers by stating your account is real without showing the evidence you claim to have that leads you to believe BF is real is really real.

I hope I am reading this right, but I could be wrong.

No disrespect to any post. But I think I agree totally with Paul.

DR

It seems to me that the most valuable asset any researcher has is CREDIBILITY. In business this means deliver more than you promise. People watched and purchased Planet Earth in droves because of the extroidinary footage. Not because they put out a press release that said "We saw a Snow Leopard for about an hour but the camera wasn't ready". If you claim to be a first rate research group, act like it. If you are in the wild specifically to film Bigfoot, and one is tromping around your camp, there is no excuse not to film Bigfoot. That's your job! If you don't, then you are a failure and should probably go home and let some competent people have a crack at it.

I agree with the previous posters. If you claim to have video, understand that the very first question will be, "Let's see it". So unless you are prepared to show it, don't make the claim. If you claim to be the pre-eminent research group, figure out how to film at night. If you can't manage any of these simple (simple, not easy) tasks, don't be surprised when the mainstream media uses your efforts as the funny story of the day. Serious results = Serious attention and respect.

hey texas bigfoot i totaly agree with your above reply indeedy. good afternoon bill

Another contradiction:

"This goal is pursued through the proactive collection of empirical data and physical evidence from the field and by means of activities designed to promote an awareness and understanding of the nature and origin of the evidence."
http://bfro.net/REF/aboutbfr.asp

WHAT EMPIRICAL DATA AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE?! Sounds, footprints, unknown hair and stories of how the ball was continously dropped when an opportunity arose to collect evidence?

Insert big-foot in mouth (after swallowing the pancakes first)!

Yeah there's definitely some tools running that Org.

hell even the ghost hunters on the scifi show figured a way to hook up a dvd recorder to their thermal camera. they actually got a few very interesting things recorded from that cam so we know it can be done.


"WHERES THE BEEF!" i say in my best little old crotchety old la impersonation.

Yes this is absolute hogwash

Well, I bet that for any given BFRO expedition there might be around 20 people or so. In that group there could be as much as 15 video cameras at hand… 10 of which would be capable of connecting to an outside video source feed like a thermal imager (you don’t hook the video camera to the eyepiece). For a group like this there might be 10 night vision devices as well and maybe 5 that can be hooked to the objective end of a video camera. For a group like this there could be one or two thermal cameras, each with a limited battery life of about 15 minutes per battery depending on the weather.

20 people set out in two or three person groups to explore or listen, separated by safety, comfort and radio might have a better chance of an encounter with animal wildlife than in getting to the limited thermal imagers and getting them hooked up to their device in hand.

So the problem boils down to this:

1. Limited high end thermal equipment
2. Problematic assembly of said equipment on the fly, in the dark
3. Inexperienced personnel:
   • Imagining encounters
   • Flubbing chance encounters with the right equipment
   • Unprepared customers

It might be better to just leave a film based camera on bulb and walk around with electronic flash units that are hand fired when you think you’re having an encounter. Get something like that and you will have more people following and possibly more equipment on hand next time.

An unbiased critique well done!

How we all learn from this situation is important, as to not make the same mistakes again.

However, it seems that people on these "expeditions" have a way of botching the situation time and again. Yes, the actual situations in the field are VERY unpredictable, but some training, psychological conditioning and disciplined drills may help to eliminate future problems.

It all boils down to the principles of leadership and agendas, or possible lack thereof. The BFRO has some very dedicated volunteers, and I sincerely hope that whatever/whomever holds the reins of this org can lead them in the direction of collecting some hard data that will put an end to the controvesry of whether this creature exists or not.

I would add
* Mistaking wildlife for an unclassified bipedal, large, North American, hairy primate.
* Mistaking another expedition member for an unclassified bipedal, large, North American, hairy primate.
* Someone making sure that paying expedition members get their money's worth

Well I’ve heard of Buck Fever when that trophy buck walks with in gun range wonder if Big Foot Fever is the same thing?

It's called "selling the sizzle" so they (future customers) begin to drool for a bite of the steak.

Well ya see, they're really doing brain surgery on these 'outings', Bigfoot is just a diversion for later when they're not working.

I thought the sole mission of these expeditions was to obtain 'Bigfoot evidence'. Yet, they invariably excuse all their expeditions' Bigfoot shortcomings as 'unpreparedness', in one form or another. You're purposefully on a BIGFOOT HUNT, and yet every time the hairy bastard finally shows, you're over in Mary Lou's tent...WHOOPS! I hate it when that happens. I'll say it again, if they're gonna retain any credibility with even just their 'paying customers', they're going to have to cough up a body or some damn good evidence...and soon. And I predict they will come up with something soon. Of course it'll be blurry and inconclusive and completely controversial, and ultimately bring nobody closer to the truth, but it'll be 'something'. Watch.

I agree, the shortcomings are far greater than any kind of proof.


What truly kills me is that there is no discipline as far as the group.
“I had to go change my contacts and as soon as I left Joe had rocks thrown at him”.
“We could hear bipedal footsteps coming near us. We went back to camp to get Bob who had left to get more film”.

It seems a lot of stuff happens when someone leaves the group. Either the one left alone hears or sees something, or the one leaving has the experience. Could it be as soon as someone leaves the group they start throwing rocks or making disturbances? Someone is always unaccounted for. They break up in small groups, there is travel between groups and camp, too many involved located in too constricted an area. Then the wood knocks and screams and footsteps could be from and adjacent group. I parried some of the matter on the forum but was pooed on.

It seems that 3, 5 person teams, spread 5-10 miles apart, that actually sit and observe, and keep good communications would be more along the lines of research (BF1, this is BF3. Did use a call, over. BF3, this is BF1, negative). Back in the day when I was in the Army we didn’t go out and gather intell by stumbling around blindly in the dark and whooping and banging around. You go out, set up a spot and wait. Get bored? You sit still and wait. Bug in your eye? Sit still and wait. Need another slim jim? Sit and wait. Did Jane Goodall run up the mountain screaming, “Hey, here I am, come to me”?

You get what you pay for. You go on an exped to have an experience. You pay the price, you here footsteps and get rocks thrown near you.

Go out, set up, and wish nothing happens, pray nothing happens, you don’t want to see anything…..that’s when it happens.

Exactly Scooby.

hey scooby welcome to the bigfootforums so have you found any interesting sightings or footprints from your state forests in the bfro sightings database website interesting above reply as well. thanks bill green

Was Harry involved with the "Young Sasquatch" pictures or is he omniscient?

Personally I have had 2 sightings in KY. and 2 probable, probable because I only saw outline/shadow. I came to grips with what I saw a few years ago. I had been trying to deny it for years. Then I read the BRFO sightings and the forum. They seemed to have an air of credibility and I decided to submit the reports. It’s been over a year and I resubmitted but got no response. I pm’ed a few folks over there that I trusted (they seemed similar to me in personality) and asked them about the lag. They said they had experienced the same thing (we collectively thought since we weren’t in BFRO sighting “hotspots” that we were being ignored). I have recently been seeing posts from W.Va being posted. I think maybe a new investigator in this area may be working, but still no word. Here is a partial from a post on BFRO that is about my sighting:

"At age 19 I had lettered for 4 years in 3 different HS sports. I had spent my spare time in the woods hunting and trapping for nearly ten years. I had been in the 101st for 7 months. I had completed Air Assault School, Jump School, Jungle Warfare School, and Sniper School, and was Ranger bound. I once got into a fight with 3 Seals cause I was not afraid of anything (I soundly got my ass beat to a pulp, but I wasn’t scared). As a teenager I was full of hormones, full of pride, full of myself, and full of crap. My encounter placed me at @ 25 feet from a big fellow a little over 8 foot tall and probably 450+ pounds. I turned around cause something told me I was being watched. I looked that big fellow in the eyes and he sure as hell was staring me back. I was frozen stiff, I then began to shake and fell to my knees. I turned to crawl away and began puking my guts out from his smell (which became more intense when I went to my knees) and my fear. I crawled all the way to the door of the house @ 50 feet away. When I got there I managed to look back over my shoulder and he was gone. And yes I did have to change my shorts from a urination leak that I hadn’t noticed until I got inside. "


I really don’t have a dog in any fight on either forum. It just seems to me to be a bit unprofessional to go willy nilly about the woods and call it research. No I have never been on one of their expeds, I don’t have the money to waste. I can hear strange noises in the woods every day. I want another face to face, I want to see the big hairy turd up close and stand in defiance. Ok, I just want to see another on while I hide in the brush. I don’t care a rat’s tinkering damn if I get pictures. It was the most life altering experience I have had. I would like to experience it again at this stage in my life and see my reactions.

Ace, I see in your signature line you were ousted, I am sure I will be gone from the forums soon as they see my posts here.

Bill thanks for the welcome

As a scientist, all I can say is if you can't do research properly, don't do it at all!

hey scooby woww thanks for the very informative return above reply to me about your encounters & experiances with the kentucky sasquatch. do you have drawings of the sasquatch creatures that you saw. do you have photos of your sightings location & photos of possible bigfoot footprints that you can post in this great thread. good afternoon bill green please keep in touch with us here.

Couldn't agree more!