Since we have a real live Yowie guy on the forum, I thought we should probably have a thread dedicated to the Yowie, since I know he is going to get a lot of questions.

How resent were those hair samples analyzed?
Did Dr. Fehrenbach publish his results? If so, where can I take a look at them?


Edit........where's my manners?
Welcome to the forum yowiie.

I have sent several identifiable hairs to Dr Fahrenbach over the past 4 years, as for how he documented them I am not sure of. He has sent me the breakdown of what he had found ie medulla etc. If I can work out how to put them on this chat site I will do this afternoon.

Have you asked him if he prepared a formal, signed report on his findings?

I haven't, the email he sent was good enough for me but I could ask if he could do something up.

Welcome yowiie.

Thanks for joining us Yowie. I for one would love to hear about your experience/sightings ect. you've had. If you want to share, that is. Thanks again.

Be glad to.
My name is Paul Compton I live down under in Oz, my reason for joining the BF foorums is that I have been researching the Australian Yowie for the past 16 years. In that time I have-
Had 4 seperate sightings of this animal
Have collected footprints
I have located 6 beds that these animals have made
From these beds I have collected hair samples that have been analised By Dr Henner Fahrenbach of the Oregon regional primate research centre, he has documented them as bveing from a higher primate and are the same as hairs collected in US/canada that he has examined that are believed to be from Bigfoot/sasquatch.
At present I have a faeces in Vancouver being tested for DNA by Dr Craig Newton, he is the guy that done the Shookum cast tests.
I have had a response to the Ohio vocalisation that I broadcast.
Have also had a response to what we call tree thumping, here in Oz on the odd occassion you here the yowies communicating with one and other by hitting timber against timber, I have tried this with a return reply on several different occassions.
I could go into more detail on my sightings if anyone is interested.

I know very little about BF's OZ counterpart. Is there an equivalent historical reference to the creature by Aborigines as there is to BF by Native Americans?

gday yowie welcome to the bigfoot forums wow thats a very informative & interesting above reply you there about resent yowie activity in austraila. please keep us informed ok. also do you have photos of possible yowie evidences or sightings locations. or drawings of the creatures you encountered. thanks bill

Paul,

Please do continue.

The Australian Aborigines have creation myths very similar to that of Native Americans here in the US.

Also, Australia is so big that there are areas that no white man has visited.

DavO

One for interested.

Questions: What part of Australia do these sightings generally occur?
Have you any photos of bed sites?
Dr. Fehrenback's findings are interesting. I would like to know how and why he came to the conclusion that the hair samples you sent him were identical to samples submitted from the US and Canada. Do you know what methods he used to determine this?

That depends on which aboriginals your are talking about, as there are so many different tribes and depending on there locations. But generally they are in there dreamtime stories.




Bill,
yes I do have the photos I am trying to get them posted on this site, I'm no Computer whiz but I will get them on today if I can.
I will put photos of beds and Fahrenbachs reports.

Sighting are generally in the North eastern area of New South Wales and into Southern Queensland and quite a lot of sightings in the Blue mountains outside of Sydney. These areas appear to be the most active. Photos of beds should be on today,HOPEFULLY!
I will post Fahrenbachs reports today, he did explain how he examined there hairs I will look back in my documents and let you know.

& it's that big, that probably no Aborigini has visited too..

Australia for me, with the HUGE Land area, is a goer, as far as the actual terrain goes, i know there are Rainforests, but i also know there is a hell of a lot of Desert with not a great deal of cover for these Animals..

Paul ( welcome by the way ), what kind of terrain & area of Australia were your sightings in & others that have been reported over the years ???

I wonder if it's the same kind of landscape & even the same state ??

Thanks in advance for your reply.

Welcome!

Can you describe your sightings a bit? Probably lots of typing I know. I'd be interested in what the creatures looked like and if they were similiar to what others have described yowies to look like. Do you have a theory as to why the animal has not or cannot be proven to exist?

t.

As I have said earlier I have had 4 sightings of these animals I will take you through each sighting in a shorter version.
1. My first sighting was around 10 years ago, I was heading north on the Highway north of my hometown at about 5.30 am summertime and pulled over on an old section of unused road about 15klms from town to check a trailer I was towing. As I turned to walk back to the car I had a feeling something was behind me, I turned around and what I seen set me back for some time. Walking across the old road not 30 metres from me was an animal thats stood about 7ft tall very bulky and solid bipedal animal. The animal did not stop and he wasn't in a hurry he looked at me and continued on his way, I watched the animal dissappear out of site into some small wattle trees. The Yowie had hair over its entire body and was probably around 2.5- 3 inches in length, the hair under its forearms would have been about 8-10 inches in length and it had a lot of hair on its shoulders that appeared to be of the same lenght as the forearms, the hir was a dirty orange/brown colour. As the animal walked it appeared to stoop and walked with his arms by its side not swinging just motionless. As I said this animal was not in a hurry he just walked along at a very slow pace. It took me a while to pluck up the courage to walk up to where the animal had walked into the bush but could find no evidence of him being there.

2. Next sigting was about 5 years ago, I had been out searching in an area where I had discovered a couple of beds that had been constructed by these animals, we had been out searching all day and returned to camp around 4-4.30pm and was sitting around talking obout what we had achieved that day. I was sitting facing east of our location and directly east of us was a hill, nothing huge just a tree covered hill. As I talked I was looking at something in the fork of a tree some 200 or so metres away it was big dark and I could see that this dark figure had a waist, shoulders arms and a head without a neck, the animal was just standing there looking he wasn't in the tree but standing behind a fork in the tree. Not believing was I was looking at it took me a while before I said anything to my mate that was with me, when I finally mentioned it to him after some time he couldn't make out the tree I was looking at and missed the entire scene even though he was only a couple of metres from me. I continued to watch this animal as I am describing the tree to my mate. I didn't have my camera or binoculars with in reach and as I stood up to get them the animal moved from be hind the tree and out of site. I never seen it again. On closer inspection of the tree I would say that the animal may have been 5 -6 foot in height and it appeared dark but I couldn't say exactly the colour of the animal.

3.This was very interesting sighting, well they all are, but I had a witness this time. My father in law wanted to take a look at a bed that I had discovered 15klms from home and we thought we would stay the night and do some fishing in the river that bordered the property. We had been to the bed, and showed him a couple of tree breaks and a few rocks that I had discovered on a previous trip that had been moved. We returned to the vehicles had dinner and were sitting around the campfire enjoying a beer at 9.20pm. We both could here some action on the otherside of the river which wasn't that far 30-35metres away, when I mean action we could here rocks being dislodged and sticks breaking. Then all of a sudden there was a large splash in the water, I immediately got my spotlight and directed the beam to the splash, there was a Kangaroo in the water thrashing around and it was panicking. This roo had jumped atleast 4 metres out into the water, that isn't normal for roos to do that, anyway as we watched this roo the commotion was still going on on the far back and I shone the light up to see what was going on and I seen another roo. This roo was in a dither it awas going oround in circles and was panicing big time something had this roo scared and couldn't seem to get away.
I shone the spot light above the roo and shone back at me were 2 red eyes the colour of fire ambers, there was aYowie standing near some rocks, I could make out the outline of the animal and the eyes. While I had the light on the animal the roo escaped down the river back. This animal stayed and watched us for a few minutes looking at us not hiding himself just standing there near the rocks and finally retreated into the hill. I guess the animal would have been dark brown/black and around the 6ft mark.

4. This sighting was only 3 months ago, I went for a drive east of home I was about 90klms away on an unsealed section of old road, my intention was to collect rocks for a job I had on and was not prepared for any Yowie activity.
As i was travelling along the road it gets quite narrow when it follows the river you need to watch ahead for any on coming vehicles. As I was doing so iI was looking towards a corner that was approaching and I was looking through some trees that were close to the road, looking for cars. When I noticed a large animal, I was thinking horse as there are a few brumbies in the area, as I got closer this was no horese it was a 6ft 6 bipedal animal standing on the sied of the road, I got within 50 or so meters of him before he jumped down an embankement and out of site.
It took me a while to pull up before I could pull up safely, I went back to teh area and could find no trace of him. It had jumped doown into some lantana which isn't a good idea to jump into but he did. I could find not trace of him, it is very heavily vegitated down in thsi particluar area.
The colour of this animal was quite strange, it was a multi coloured specimen mainly a orangy/brown with grey streaks through most of the coat. very heavily built maybe 200kgs or there abouts.

Great to hear from ya mate and fellow Yowie or Bigfoot hunter. Sounds like the Yowies like to dine on the roos. Here in Oregon they like Black Tailed Deer.

Your sightings were very interesting to read.

What is the population of Oz?

What do their beds look like?

Have you heard any reports from the Aboriginies about the Yowies being a threat to people?

Population of Oz is I wouldn't have a clue probably about 25million somewhere around that.
The beds are all similar in appearance and are all identical with there location, all the beds are on the northern side of a large tree and genarally the tree iss leaning to the north. The structure of the beds is mainly constructed of grass and lots of it and is always laid in a pattern. The beds I have found are all in the range of 150" to 170" in length approx 36'' Across and some are high( the edges could be 12"" high).
One in particular was a bit out of the ordinary which would indicate to me we are not dealing with a stupid animal. The bed actually had a pillow at the base of the tree and then the bed. When I mean pillow, it was a pile of grass that was laid in a way that all the roots were on the outer edge of the pillow and was approx
12" high 24"wide and approx 18deep. This just looked like a pillow with the bed structure as I described. This bed was pretty new as the grass in was reasonably fresh and there were rocks placed beside the bed. Which looked to me as though they had been removed from the bed before it was constructed as the grass ubder them was still green not decompsed as the other rocks in the area were.
Some aboriginals will talk of them, some won't ,some don't beleive in them at all and others will tell of confrontations that they have had with the animals many years ago.
There was an incident here in Oz where a Yowie actually walked into a house and removed a little girl from the house one evening and the grandmother of the child chased it with a broom until the animal dropped her and fled.

I don't believe the Yowie was after the roos I 'm of the opinion that he was merely watching us and the roos came along and wre alarmed by him being there. I don't think he would have been chasing roos so close to our location.
The faeces I have in Vancouver at the moment doesn't suggest that the animals eat meat, the break up the stool was white ground grubs, crickets, black beetles, tea tree pods, bracken fern (which is poisonious to all live stock) and the odd bit of bark. This was 40cm 16''inlength and as round as a large nectarine and was hot. there was no trace of any hair, bone etc in the sample.

Do the natives of australia believe that the yowiie has "magic powers" like the native americans do with the bigfoot?

No not really, however some believe that they are ghost

o ok thnx. im sur eil think of more ?'s. If u dont mind?

Don't mind at all, its good to talk with someone else on the subject. Here in Australia I have had no luck communicating with any one in the scientific field, they seem to think I'm a nut case and would rather not help or listen. I contacted the guy that found the Hobbit and refuses to talk about such things, I just hope the hobbit turns out to be orang pandak it might change his mind.

Yea obody wants to listen to my stuff either. They all just say that its either a costume, airplane, or a big eel!(bigfoot, UFO, Loch ness)

Yowiie,
Any luck on getting the photos of bed sites posted and the information from Dr. Fahrenback's analysis of the hair samples he tested?

Not as yet, I am a bit useless on the computer daughter will help tonight. They seem to no all the right buttons to push, soory for the delay.

While we're talking Yowie's...

1) Whatever happened to the yowie video (or film?) Danny Perez investigated a couple years ago and remarked something like "it looks exactly like the PG figure!" (NOT a direct quote.)

2) What are the very best regarded pieces of physical evidence for the yowie?

Apeman

Unsure on what video you asking about, what do you call the PG figure. the only video footage that has come to light over the past few years is what is called the Piper film, which turned out to be a guy in a suit. The guy was trying to make a name for himself and even changed his name to TYM the yowie man, he had done this prior to the film and his credibility was going down hill and tried to hoax this footage and , well he's out of the big picture.
As for evidence, as far as I know I'm the only person with any credible evidence to date. I have 5 hair samples from different locations that have been analised by Dr Henner Fahrenbach who has said they are from a higher primate and are the same as hairs found in USA/canada beleived to be bigfoot hairs, I will post on site tonight one of the reports. I also a a faeces in Vancouver being tested for DNA, this should come up with some good results as this crap was 40cm in length and the size of a large nectarine. there are no other animals in Australia that could possibly have left such a deposit .

Yes, that was it, covered in a few places here, sorry for not be more caught up. (PG figure = "Patty" from the Patterson-Gimlin film.)

I will try and keep up with the terms.

These are the picks of a couple of beds, claw marks in a tree, a foot print and a couple of hair reports from Dr Henner Fahrenbach. Any questions please ask

Missed these 2 pics they are 1 bed and 1 footprint

http://batemansbay.yourguide.com.au/detail...ategory=general

Paul-

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This is interesting and something you might want to think about how you present. These claw marks appear to be just that, claws. Claws (e.g. cats and dogs) are readily distinguished from nails (you and me) as your photo illustrates and as we all inherently know. Although there are a wide variety of exceptions in "lower" primates (prosimians and some new world monkeys) all old world monkeys- which would inlcude all hominids/pongids (or apes) and which is what everyone presumes sasquatches, yetis, skunk apes, almastis, and yowie to be (right?)- have only nails, not claws. (The only exception being that some orangutans are naturally missing a big-toe nail.)

So (unless the yowie has some very, very odd nails) if a yowie really made these claw marks, one would have to assume that it is in fact not an ape, or even an old world monkey. How sure are you that a yowie really made these, and if so, could a yowie actually be a giant, tailless, bipedal, marsupial? This is kind of intriguing now. I'd always written off yowies as unlikely but maybe the explanation is that they are nothing at all related to the other supposed giant bipedal apes? I'm wondering now what the Australian fossil record shows that might have evolved into such an intriguing creature. We know roos have red eyeshine right...And they're mostly bipedal...And vegetarian...This might also explain the color variation you've seen and the longish funny shaped tracks. Are any marsupials known to make nests?

Note, I'm not suggesting these are mistaken kangaroo sightings, just that whatever it is might be a lot more closely related to megapods then anthropoids. There is so much parallel evolution and homology in the Australian fauna, why couldn't such a creature have evolved to fill the "ape" niche???

Surely someone has suggested this before right?

Apeman

PS- Paul, you and I have had email contact, I'll email or PM you reveal myself but please don't do so here.

Whats the black blob on the right side of the pic of the claw marks? Just wondering.

I never said that the claw marks were from a yowie, I am interested to see what the other readers would say abou them. Where did you get the idea about the funny shaped tracks, I haven't spoke of anything of that nature. These are not mistaken kangaroos, I have been in the bush for most of my life I know what I seen. You said that you thought the Yowie to be unlikely, well what brings you to that conclusion



Just the bark of the tree, it is a type of eucalypt (gum tree)I am not suggesting that these are in anyway related to Yowies I am curious as to what others thought.

ok truely i dont know anything about the kind of animals in australia so i really dont have a guess as to what the tracks r?

The Yowie and claws seems really strange since BF has nails.

Check out this trail camera. You might be able to document the Yowie with this, and really push this whole bigfoot-yowie movement ahead rapidly.


http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/template...a&noImage=0

I put the claw photo in with the others to see what response I would get, have purchased 3 cameras like this ready for next trip.

some trail cameras even take short videos at any kind of motion. U should try to get something on the video setting.

If only life was so easy, I am heading out tonight to try and get a bit of yowie action with some call blasting and tree knocking. As they say "You have to be in it to win it"

Sorry Paul, I though the implication was that they were yowie scratches.

Just from the photo you posted with the long, curved track, but maybe it's an illusion. Do you have a shot looking directly down at it?

Again, like I clearly stated, this is not what I was implying.

It's not any "conclusion," just a feeling or presumption. And it's based on: A.) overall lack of evidence (you've shown some but not much compared to what we think we have for North America); and B.) difficulty explaining logically how an ancient ape would have gotten to Australia. But I don't pretent to know much about this area of study. I understand that most scholars agree that the Aboriginees arrived via boats (or the like) in the last 50,000 years or so and that Australia has never been connected by land bridge to Asia, though it was once connected to South America via Anatartica- but that was long before primates roamed the globe.

Anyway, it's not a strong feeling and nothing I've spent a lot of time thinking about, sorry to offend.

Apeman

Alls well, the photo of the track I have is looking directly down. The track itself is approx 8'' in lenght. When I located this track it appeared as though what ever made it had slipped giving it the linger look, I also have a couple of other photos where there are two tacks side by side and it appears as though the bigger toes are on the outside of the feet rather than on the inside of the step. Sorry about the picture quality.
As for not being connected to Asia I find that hard to believe, why is it that Kangaroos and wallabies are being discovered in Indonesia/ PapuaNewGuinea in recent years.

With those trail cameras and the Yowie beds you have found, you are in a great position to provide new evidence the world is waiting to see. This is an exciting adventure that you are on so keep us posted. Some people have reported that bigfoot are aware of cameras and is hard to get on video. One person said bigfoot can sense infared. I don't see how this animal can have such extrordinary senses. Just keep the trail cameras well hidden.

You might try to bait them in by putting cow liver, or peanut butter up 10 feet in a tree. Some people in the states have watched Bigfoot from tree stands, and it was not aware of the viewer at first.

By the way, does the Yowie have claws or nails?

Do you go out in the bush armed? I would so be careful.

I did set one of the cameras on a bed a few months ago and left it in the location for a week. I returned to find that it had taken 3 photos, as this particular one is not digital I had to rewind the film which I did, I opened the back of the camera to retrieve the film and it had not rewind the film the damned batteries went flat and I thought the the film had rewind totally. Hense no photos, just my luck. At present all beds are not in use as winter has approached and they seem to move out of the area for a few months. I am aware that any footage I get of these animals may wake a few people up and get the skeptic eating there words. Did you read my post about the camera I had set and only got a shadow
in the picture.
As for the claw marks I posted, I am doubtful that the Yowie has made them, I would imagine that they have nails like you and me. I merely posted them to see what replies I would get.
No I do not go into the bush armed I take a knife and thats it, I do go by myself at times but what happens, happens. It has occured to me at times to take a firearm. I'd rather shoot with the camera.

Australia is a large country with few people per square metre. I don't know whether the area you live is densely populated or not. But how use are these animals to people today and also the past? Is is fair to say some of these animals are unaware of people and are undeterred by human contact? Or are wary but only because humans are relatively unknown to them? If that is the case, is it possible they may be more curious than the north american variety? I say this because you have had FOUR sightings, proving you have a great chance of another.

Are there any recorded vocalisations of the yowie?

One of the areas I live in is quite remote and the only people that it sees is myself and the owner of the propert himself who doesn't like to go out on his own. I may go to this particular area 10 times a year, so it is quite reasonable to say that humans are relatively unknown to these particular yowies.
In the 4 of the sightings I had witnessed only 1 of the 4 rushed off when I got close to it, in the others sightings the animals couldn't have cared less about my presents. Particully the first encounter, he just walked past me with out being alarmed didn't show any aggression in anyway he just walked away without hurrying.
It seems as though we are not a threat to them and treat as just another animal. The chances of another sighting by me is quite possible as I put myself into the area where they are most active.