Hello Guys:

I have had a very exciting morning. I was in the village getting gas when a local man
walked up to my car and introduced himself. During this introduccion he asked if I
was the "Bigfoot Guy". I told him no, and explained that I was an animal trainer
with a strong interest in Bigfoot. He then told me that a Bigfoot walked past his house
the other day!

Here is the story.

Right now, in this part of northern BC (near Telkwa and Smithers) their is a
very high snow pack on the mountains tops. So much so, that as this snow
melts of the tops it creates many potential disasters for the people in the Vally.
Mudslides and flooding are serious concerns for people.

On Wednesday afternoon a mudslide destroyed a number of hydro polls and
cut out the power for miles. Three or four towns had no power. Up here, in the
mountains, the world was black! The shy was overcast and not even the stars
could be seen. When it gets this way here most people simply stay inside
for fear of being eaten by a bear.

According to my neighbour his horses ( he has over 70 ) were "acting agitated"
throughout the night. As he did not have a working flashlight in the house
(dumb luck) there was not much he could do to ascertain what was wrong.
He did attempted to go outside with a lantern to make sure the gates were
locked and that the horses has not pushed through the electrical fence (that
had no power at the time).

When he got outside he noticed a "terrible smell", he said it smelt like
a dead animal. Smelling this he turned and briskly walked back into his
house. (People who live in bear country know to avoid dead animals,
as where you find dead animals you also find bears... some of who
will violently protect their food).

The next morning my neighbour woke and immedeatly looked in on his
horses, that is when he found a number of tracks on his property. !!!!!!!

It is raining here now and the tracks will soon be washed away, they are
also getting trampled by the horses. I saw the tracks and it looks to me like
whatever made them was checking out the horses. (???)

I don't have experience with tracks in real life, they could be fake??? For all
the books that I have read, the real world seems very different.

I do know that my neighbour wants NO publicity at all and he would not even let
me video tape what is left of the tracks. Although I will go back and ask again.

What should I do?

First of all, get the poor guy a flashlight as an early birthday present!

You say he wouldn't let you video tape the tracks? Would he let you photograph them instead? Also, see if he's willing to let you cast a few... and document them(length, width, stride length).

Check the fence for any hairs.

Is it possible to ascertain the direction this unknown thing came from, or went to? If so, off of his property you should go squatchin', making sure you don't include any of his property on any photos.

Since this guy came up to you, he obviously wanted validation. But since he won't let you video tape on his property, tread very lightly; don't push too hard. You definitely don't want to scare him away, as he may come to you again.

Lastly, you say he's your neighbor... I'd go over your property with a fine tooth comb!

Good luck and keep us informed!

There's nothing in the report to indicate that it was a Bigfoot. The smell could be anything even a serious wound on a living animal such as a bear. If such a preditor was injure with a festering wound it may have been searching for easier prey such as fenced in domestic animals. Without visable tracks remaining its not a very strong report.

It seems improbable, but I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that someone could be pulling the leg of the local "Bigfoot Guy". If he'll let you go onto his property to see the footprints have him accompany you and follow the tracks. A hoax in the kind of weather you describe seems unlikely, but it might be wise to keep in mind that that's what might be happening.

hey dog trainer welcome the bigfoot forums wow thats a very interesting sasquatch encounter story you posted here. was there any possible sasquatch evidence photographed or the sighting location. did the eyewittness draw a sketch of the creature seen. thanks again bill green please keep posted ok..

I agree with crow logic. If the only "evidence" is washed out & trampled on tracks, I wouldn't even waste my time with it. If he is attempting a hoax & you don't bother going back to try to investigate further, he'll probably come to you with another story fairly soon. Hoaxers hoax for one reason & one reason only. They want attention.

Hello Again:

It has been a long day. Far and beyond the bigfoot tracks that I saw (I think), I met a great
new neighbour and friend.

Someone wrote:

"Hoaxers hoax for one reason & one reason only. They want attention."

I can tell you that my neighbour is not a hoaxer, he wants no attention at all. None! He was
worried about his children. They saw the tracks and were extremely frightened and he did not
know how to address the issue of Bigfoot with his children.

As far as I know I am the only person who knows about this event, he has not told another
soul and I was there when he told his wife and kids to "hush", "People will think we are crazy".

I wonder how many "normal" and privet people have encounters and just remain silent
because they do not want to attract ridicule. What a crazy way to get attention..... "I saw a bigfoot".
I fear the kind of attention you get may not be worth it.

As it stands now some of the tracks are in good shape. I have my copy of Dr Krantz book in
hand and I am using it to guide me.

There are some things that I can say. There are a great many tracks heading off in all
directions, as if the thing was walking around and around, hither and thither, the tracks
then head off to the forest where they seem to vanish as the ground becomes more
rocky, but we could follow the tracks off his property.

They are NOT bear tracks, and no other animal could possible leave tracks as large as
these. Because of the rain the tracks did not all appear to be the same size (give or take a
few centimeters). However, the more formed tracks were clear and mu neighbour did
take some photos (it will be up to him if these photos are made public).

What impressed me most was that the tracks were not all the same, as they would have
been if they were made with fake feet. Each one manifested clear evidence of bendable
toes. Astonishing really!

Also, while my neighbour is 'my neighbour' there are miles and miles of forest between us.
It is a ten minute drive to his house from mine (moving 80k per hour). I have not, nor have
I seen anything that comes close to bigfoot evidence where I live.

I am reading up on making casts, if I can do so I will try.

All in all.... I am now ABSALUTLY CONVINCED that Sasquatch is real. So much so that
I want to pack up and move closer to town. Seeing the tracks left me feeling extremely
isolated and venerable. However, I dought that I will ever experience anything like
this again. (But that is what I said the first time a Moose came after me, and that
has now happened twice!)

I wish some of you more experienced guys lived near here.... you would be a great help.

How would taking pictures of the ground interfere with privacy? There would be absolutely no way of identifying an area by a photo of the ground.
If your neighbor was so worried about publicity - why would he trust a person that he had never met before to come on his property, look at the tracks and hear the story?
This story sounds very fishy to me.

When it gets this way here most people simply stay inside for fear of being eaten by a bear.

That statement is just totally unbelievable. Did you add it for dramatic effect?
The red flags are starting to snap in the wind...

Nice story so far Dog Trainer. Please keep us posted on anything else you find out about things.
Do not let the few that might post negative things get you down or anything. Some people around here I am shocked believe in Bigfoot at all as they do not believe anything anyone post on these forums.

Yowie:

As a rule I do not take the time to respond to negativity, however, this time I will.

I do not know what part of the world that you live in, nor do I know what kind of people
stay in your company. However, here, where humans are far a few between, when
we have the chance to reach out to one another we do. People in my community do
not try and maintain privacy with each other. Rather, we choose to live isolated
lives because we are unhappy or unsatisfied with the workings of the modern world.
We home school our children. Raise our own meat. Milk our own cows and try to live
as naturally as possible. In fact, just the other day someone told me that a police
car had not been seen on this mountain in 17 years! Wow!

We only got telephone lines here in the last five years and some residents are still
without phone service, I am one of them. (I hook up to the net via a radio signal)

Although people here love their privacy, privet people will except the company
of other privet people. We know how to act around one another, and we know
how limited even the most warm welcome is.

My neighbor came to me because he needed help. Yowie, it is a shame that you cannot
understand this, because it is a beautiful thing.

As for bears... They can be extremely dangerous! And they do kill people. When
you live in a forest successfully part of that success comes from knowing when
to stay indoors. You don't drive in a blizzard. You NEVER leave your trash outside,
and YOU DON'T WALK THROUGH GRIZZLY COUNTRY IN THE PITCH BLACK OF
NIGHT! This is not dramatic, it's a way of life.

In the end... I told you a true story. It happened.

For me, the Bigfoot tracks are only a small part of the story. The bigger part
has to do with neighborly respect and the making of new friends. As the years
roll by, and if I keep this new friend, we will look back on these tracks as
only a small part of a rich story.

And just in case you think that all bears are friendly you should look up
James Gary Shelton on the net; he is a Canadian expert in the area of
Bear aggression and their attacks on people. He teaches people who work
and live in the forest how to survive aggressive bear encounters.

Visit Shelton website here....

http://www.direct.ca/cabc/

There is far more deep country on this earth then there is city land. Many urban people
don't believe in Bigfoot because they cannot understand how such a big animal could
stay hidden. However, when you leave the city, fly hours into deep country land and
SEE how much rugged space there is... it becomes obvious that there is room to hide.

When reading stories about Bigfoot sightings it is vital to understand that your views
of the world may have nothing to do with the workings of the people involved. Never
suppose that you know how people think; you probably don't.

Oh, as for the video tape... if I was to tape the tracks, there was a fear that one
of the few other neighbors would see what I was doing. It is not everyday that
you see someone with a video camera filming the mud! Although we are very
privet, privacy can create loneliness, and loneliness gives birth to gossip when
people come together. Although we cannot see each others properties very well
(if at all) people do drive by. After talking with my neighbour it was clear that
he did not what people to think he was crazy. I explained to him that he may have found
something very special, and that he may one day regret destroying EVERYTHING.
He agreed...

Still, after reading Yowie, I fully understand why my neighbour would want to wash the tracks away.
No one likes to be called a lire, particularly when they are telling the truth. And if he taped
the tracks, he would still be called a hoaxter.... and if he filmed the creature making
the tracks, he would still be called a hoaxter.... hell, we would need to trap the animal,
get it do a public zoo, call Desmond Morris, and get the Bigfoot seen on Oprah!!! Even then,
there would be those shouting HOAX, HOAX, HOAX!!!!!




nuff said

"There's nothing in the report to indicate that it was a Bigfoot. The smell could be anything even a serious wound on a living animal such as a bear."



Ok, my neighbour is not living in down town New York.... he is a well seasoned woodsman and understands nature well.
Although I did not ask him if he ever had the chance to smell a living wound on a bear, my experience is that wounded
animals don't smell bad enough to cause fright. Something rare happened here, something that pushed him out of
his comfort zone and caused him to seek help.

Dog Trainer, for what it's worth & bear in mind this is from a City Boy that hasn't the first clue of wilderness living, i very much doubt if the Guy you're talking about is lying or attention seeking as, from what you've said, it would completely contradict the way the man lives his life.

Plus you said that the Guy didn't in fact want any attention anyway..

I also wouldn't doubt a Man who has exstensive expereience of living in the Woods when he appears to be a little freaked by this whole episode..

The trouble is though Dog Trainer, although i personally thank you for your post, others tend to scutinize it & the Forum sometimes reminds me of a Court Room but that's what you have to accept when putting your story ( especially on a sensenetive subject like this, BF ) on a public forum.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a great deal of evidence in this particular story & of course people are going to scrutinize & question why no photos were taken of the tracks but that's expected really i think as we all know that taking a picture of a print wouldn't give away a remote location in the widerness of BC, but if that's what the man wanted ( no photos taken ), then people should respect that !!

Hopefully something else may crop up soon Dog Trainer & you can investigate a little more ( & hopefully relay it to us if you don't get put off ).

Good luck...

The reason we may seem overly critical of your report Dog Trainer, is that mainstream science holds Bigfoot researchers to a higher standard of proof than any court of law that I know of. They want proof beyond ANY doubt. Not just proof beyond reasonable doubt. In most court cases, video & or photos of the defendant commiting the crime he/she is charged with, almost always results in a conviction. Whereas if prosecutors were held to the standard of proof that we are, they would have to prove that the person on the video or in the photos couldn't possibly be someone else disguised as the defendant. I've even heard some researchers discussing whether we should throw out all the "evidence" we have now & start over. Only accepting things such as photos or casts of tracks found in areas where no hoaxer could possibly expect anyone to ever find them. Or recordings of vocalizations made miles from anyone during top secret expeditions.

Someone wrote:

"The reason we may seem overly critical ...."

I do not think that anyone sounds overly critical, really I don't. However, when hearing
a story about bigfoot it is vital that we DO NOT try and analyze the motives and feelings
of the person telling the story. To be critical of the facts relayed is one thing (ie: time,
place, sounds, smells, etc.), however, it becomes foolish to superimpose your own way
of thinking and feeling onto other people.

I did get one good tip; "look for hair in the barbed wire that is all around my neighbours
property".... that was constructive and helpful. That advice relied on physical facts, and
not the supposed charter of me or my neighbour.

Also... just bye the way. People should have an area to talk about their experience
without being pulled before the "court". My neighbour was authentically upset by the
experience and worried about his children. It would have been altogether inappropriate
for me to drill him with questions. He wanted to talk, more than this, he wanted to
confide in someone without being called a lire or crazy. I am happy that I was able
to rise to the occasion.

To be clear, my neighbour did take photos of the tracks and he may let me try and make
a cast. The real question becomes, to what end? He does not want any attention and he
is not about send his photos to the local newspaper. I convinced him that he may change his
mind. And that it may be best to take some "evidence" now before it is gone. A week
from now if he still feels the same way he can burn the photos and break the cast. We
may also come into contact with someone who could really use the photos. The tracks
found here could very well match up with tracks found in other areas.

As for bears... They can be extremely dangerous! And they do kill people. When
you live in a forest successfully part of that success comes from knowing when
to stay indoors. You don't drive in a blizzard. You NEVER leave your trash outside,
and YOU DON'T WALK THROUGH GRIZZLY COUNTRY IN THE PITCH BLACK OF
NIGHT! This is not dramatic, it's a way of life.

That is very dramatic.
People walk around in the "pitch black of night" all the time in grizzly bear country. Flashlights are commonly used so one doesn't fall on their ass.
People know the difference between the reality of the possiblity of a bear encounter and the chances that one is going to be outside your door waiting for you step outside so it can kill you.
Grizzly attacks happen - but stating that people live in constant fear of the night in grizzly country is preposterous and over-dramatic.
I grew up in grizzly country. My family still owns a large ranch in grizzly country. I have killed grizzlies that have preyed on our livestock. I have killed problem grizzlies as part of my job. I have also been in your neck of the woods more than once. The people there live in awareness of bears - but like anywhwere else - they don't let the thought of bears hold them hostage against the night.


By the way - I took Gary Shelton's course in 1999 so I would have the opportunity to meet him and discuss bears with him. I have his books and I have quoted from them on this board. He walks around at night.
I knew Clayton Mack and learned a lot abut bears from him when I was a kid. He walked around at night also.
You may be able to impress some people with little knowledge about the realities of living in the bush - but you are just digging yourself a large credibility hole with those of us that know better.

That's a good question. Where do you go from here? Finding evidence at the site would be neat. If you were able to get casts, and/or some track and stride measurements (if there happens to be any clear track line anywhere in the multitude of footprints it would be great to have photos with tape measures outlining the borders), then you might be able to rule out non-sasquatch possibilities. What then?

I think you're right - if you're neighbor is upset about this it's best to be a good neighbor to him. It sounds like you're convinced of his sincerity. You could let him know that there's been almost no reports of attacks on people by sasquatches, but I doubt that he'll feel much better just by your saying that. Probably the best thing to do is reassure him that you believe his story.

Very exciting!

I would recomend obtaining copies of those pictures, I hope he keeps them!

Probably best to document it all as thoroughly as possible, even if you don't make it public (which of course I hope you do, I'd like to see them ), you could at least use them as a reference if future tracks and/or sightings pop up and maybe share it with other researchers in private.

Good luck,

David

Dog Trainer if I was you I would definetly pursue it if you believe it to be a viable lead I would go with it, if it's a hoax you wasted a little time but it's not the end of the world.

Thanks and keep us updated. I appreciate you sharing this with everyone.
City people never understand country folks.
Stay safe.

Oldcrow did you by any chance choose your name because of the brand of whiskey.

I don't find it odd at all that he would not let you video tape on his property. Many people in the country, especially here in the Pacific Northwest prefer to be left alone and shy away from publicity. It makes me wonder how many of these type of encounters go unreported.

Rockinkt:

Ya, we all walk around at night, in Grizzly country, with our flashlights.... hahahahahahahahaha! That's ridiculous!

UPDATE:

Yesterday was awesome. I invited a group of neighbours over to my cabin and we had a good time.
My neighbour who has the tracks on his property came over and I have learned that he is a highly
respected man of the community. The conversations were odd, everyone knows that I believe in bigfoot
and I am the brut of terrible (yet lighthearted) ridicule as the result. I must has answered 50 bigfoot
questions from curious children and their parents. I was just itching to shout: "Hey, there were some
tracks discovered down the hillside! Lets all go see! Boy, that would have wiped the smiles off their
faces, and gave their kids nightmares for days.

My yard cleared out by 10pm and my neighbour with the tracks stayed behind to thank me for
keeping a lid on things. However, he is not happy that he took the pictures. He has removed all the
tracks from where his kids do their choirs, however, he left the tracks that lead away from his
property and into the woods... they are there now. I imagine they will last until the next time it rains.

I did some research and discovered that some people feel that their is a bigfoot migration trail that
goes through Terrace, that is not too far from here. I wonder if the animal that moved through his
property was on that trail? I have not yet looked for hair in the barbed wire; I am waiting until
his kids head off to their tutors on Tuesday morning. I will act as though I am simply fixing up
the wire after a very heavy winter.

My neighbour, now convinced that Bigfoot is real, read on the Internet that people have been hurt
by these animals. The poor guy. Imagine the feeling that would come with knowing a Sasquatch may
be lurking in the woods near your home. The horror! He is being a real good dad keeping his
kids safe from this information. I know they would be upset. His youngest boy is terrified of the
wolves around here and he ask me time and time again, "Are the wolves asleep now?". He was
worried that they would charge out of the trees and eat us up. I assured him that the wolves
were not going to bother us. I could only imagine how this seven year old would react to strange
human-like animal tracks in his yard.

I will keep you posted.

Rockinkt:

Ya, we all walk around at night, in Grizzly country, with our flashlights.... hahahahahahahahaha! That's ridiculous!


Rockinkt wrote:

"Grizzly attacks happen - but stating that people live in constant fear of the night in grizzly country is preposterous and over-dramatic."

I never said that people live in constant fear of the night, please resist your wanting to superimpose your own drama on my text.
Also, I do not believe you ever lived in Grizzle country, or the country at all for that matter. You are saying things that are altogether
alien to me. The only farmers that walk around at night do so in well light areas. They are not walking around in the woods with
flashlights! That's altogether untrue. I have lived in remote areas for over 30 years and in all that time I have almost never seen
ANYONE walking in the woods at night with a flashlight. There are a few exceptions;

Hunters

People Staying In Government Sanctioned Camping Sites (where bears are often removed and killed by the Forest Ministry)

Worm pickers - who will pick worms from the fields after a rain fall, (they have lights on their hats and they work in large
groups).

The people here do not live in fear because we don't do silly things. We don't bother the wildlife (if we can help it) and the
wild-life does not bother us. Walking in the woods at night, with a flashlight or not, is going to bother something. But I will
say again... I have never, ever, seen a farmer walking around in the woods at night. It does not happen under normal
circumstances. We stay in our fields or near our homes where their is light.

It seems to me that you are a city guy who loves the country. You may even have fond memories of your mothers
farm, or a trip that you took where you had to take some bear course or other. But the fact is that I do live here, I
am here and this country is my home. People that talk like you are the kind of people that get lost in the woods, hurt
in the woods or killed in the woods. To be frank, you sound like a know-it-all tourist (complete with an electric razor, radio, cell
phone and sun tan lotion).

I will not write with respect to you again. You irritate me, and I don't like feeling irritated, that is not why I am here.

I would like to apologize to the other readers for this diatribe. It just irks me when dominant (know it all) Internet writers
toss their opinions around at the expensive of others. I do apologize, but I just had to respond to rockinkt

thanks for the update, dog trainer. Please keep us posted on any new events that take place.

By the way - is this the same "close neighbor" that has the claimed recordings of a sasquatch?
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?act...&pid=383882

Hmmmmm.............Where'd he go?


Insert chirping crickets.....here.

No - In fact, the neighbour with the taped sounds was clearly a jokester who was pulling my leg. Not much came of that. And
seeing is that you are looking into all of my post to see if you can catch me in something (good for you), I should say, here and
now, that over the years I have had many people tell me Bigfoot stories. I attract these kind of stories because I am very open
about my interest in the subject. So, it is only normal for people to come to me.

Also - Rockinkt, please stop what you are doing. It's childish and beneath you. I like some of the people here and enjoy
a great deal of what people write. I think you, however, are a bully and I will simply leave this group if you continue to direct
any more comments towards me. I will not abide you.

Hey Dog,

In the words of the great Don Cherry,[ You sound like a good Canadian kid]. Keep up the good work, just remember to keep your head up come'n across the ice. Because theres allways someone waiting to take a run at you.


Peace,


Boss....

Nope - I remembered you making that post.
I just went to your profile to get the link so that I could be sure.
Quite the accusation you make. Totally wrong - but so predictable.

As far as the bold print diatribe - quit whining.
Storytellers like you come and go.

Boss Of The Wood


Thanks for the kind words. I think that anyone who has a bigfoot story should be able
to tell that story without coming under personal attack. Perhaps there should be an
area on this forum that gives people the space to speak up without being put on trial.
This is not a scientific forum where people are trying to PROVE anything to a scientific standard.
There is a time and a place for that. I, for one, wanted support and guidance, not
personal critisim from a stranger.

Don't get me wrong, there is a time and a place for serious criticism, and if some people
want that criticism they will get it. But their should also be a safe area.

My case in point - I had no real clue what to do with the situation that presented itself
to me. LONG before I was able to pull together any facts, my story was
being torn appart. This is like taking the nails out of a house while it is still being built.
I understand their are skeptics, I really do, and they play a vital roll in helping ascertain
fact from hoax. But there is a right and wrong way to scrutinize, and it is possible to
disagree without becoming disagreeable.

I, for one, think that witnesses should receive as much support and understanding
as possible. They need it.

I would also like to thank everyone who sent me a privet email. My chin is up and I
will continue to tell my truth!





Rockinkt



Yes, people like me do come and go. But people like you hang around to make the new guys
feel bad. Bravo! I guess you really are contributing. Lord knows that anyone who has a sighting
must be a bad person.

I haven't spoken my mind nor said my piece on a post (story) here in a long time, but I think the time has come for me to do just that.

Dog Trainer, please explain this to me.



He removed the tracks? How the heck did he do that? Why would he have to remove them when you said this?



And for that matter, why would he bother when you said,





Gawd, I hate it when those bigfeets run all 'hither and thither".

And speaking of the gathering at your cabin,



Ok, so the children asked you questions about bigfoot all the while their father had "removed all the tracks from where his kids do the choirs (sp)"? Why the heck would the subject even come up if he is so concerned about his kids being upset with bf information even AFTER they had seen the tracks?



Yet, the subject was open for discussion in your yard with the kids asking you questions? He was keeping his kids safe from this information AFTER they had seen the tracks? What did he tell them about the tracks that they had already seen?



He's so worried about his kids possibly being terrified by possible bf tracks, yet he allows his small son to think that the wolves in the area might come out and eat him? That's pretty screwed up thinking, and parenting IMO.



Was this neighbour [sp] at the cabin during the "good time" you all had?



Yet, you have the nerve to say something like this in response to a post.



Yeah right...whatever.

Your neighbor might have actually had a visit from a bigfoot, or a group of bigfoot for that matter, but you have totally convinced me, by your own words, that you are full of shit.

JMO as always.

JayleeD:

I am astonished, just ASTONISHED that you had the time to post that last letter.
seems a tad intesense to me.

All I will say is this; you have made so many wild assumptions in your questions that
they need not all be answered. For example; you assume that the neighbour who had
the sighting was here WITH HIS children. When, in fact, his children were not here
because he feared that the subject would come up. He was right.

Another point; do you have children? If so, you may have caught them in the act
of watching a scary TV show, or playing a mature video game. When these things
happen you remove the children from what may frighten them, and them you
REMOVE THE SOURCE OF THE FEAR! That is what happened in this case. The children
saw the tracks and became frightened, the father then "REMOVED" the tracks so
to not make matters worse.

How did he remove the tracks? .... He is a farmer, there are countless ways to remove
tracks with ease!

I cannot go into some of your other questions; I don't have the time to read all
the quotes you tried to trip me up on. I think that the time you put into your email
is odd.

However, moving away from Bigfoot, lets talk about something even more
fascinating! People who waste their time trying to dissect a simple bigfoot story!
Come on! Talk about taking things too seriously

I am thrilled that you had the time to study my words so completely; however,
I must confess... I am not willing to dedicate as much time to you.

I mean..... come on!


In the end you say I am full of s**t. I think you are just rude... another bully.

But know this, you are not going to intimidate me, or frighten me away from the
truth. You can mix up my words and read your own meaning into as much as you
want. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone.... and I will not let you put
me on trial. If you are looking for someone to push around. Keep looking. You
are not going to turn me into a victim.

I am also shocked to see that you are a "BFF Administrators", as such you
should hold yourself to a higher standard of Internet conduct. You saying that
I am "full of s**t", it is simply inexcusable for a person who is charged with
keeping this forum friendly to ALL to swoop to such rudeness.

It is NOT ENOUGH that you are nice to people you like and agree with.
You should be kind to everyone. Please do not direct any more of your letters
to me. I wish not to hear from you again.

Dear Moderators:

I would kindly ask that you use your power to moderate this forum and keep this
issue on track. Some group members are trying to make this topic a personal attack
on me. This should not be allowed. I have told a simple story. Some people do
not believe it. That is fine, but they should not be able to cast stones. If they
do not believe me they can simply say so.... there is no need for harsh words anymore.

In the heat of the moment I have said some things that are harsh and for that
I do apologize. But I will not have strangers attack me simply because they think it
is fun. This is a great group for the most part.... lets keep things friendly.

(trying to keep the peace)

Dog Trainer, I have a question, did you manage to measure the distance between the steps? And did you get an idea of how long the tracks were?

What "wild assumptions" did I make?

You yourself said this:



His kids weren't at your cabin huh? So, when did this kid have the time to ask you "time and time again" if the "wolves were asleep"? You posted the quote below on Saturday, May 19th. Dang, you sure got close to the family in a hurry.





I ask you again, why would he need to remove the tracks when you clearly stated in one of your posts that,



Which was it? Did he remove the tracks since,



or did he rely on the rain and the 70 horses he owns to do it for him?

Maybe you should read what you've already posted before adding to your story.

I'm not trying to intimidate you, frighten you or put you on trial, and I don't give a rat's patootie if you tell me that you don't want to hear from me again. Keep spouting your bs and I'll keep pointing it out. So you think that my being a BFF Administrator, that I should hold myself to a "higher standard of internet conduct"? Pul-eeze!

D:

Again; you are taking bits and parts of comments, taking them out of contexts and using
them to attack. I WILL NOT answer any of your questions because they are not asked in
a respectful manner. You are crude, rude and simply not worth my time. You may think I
am a lire... but I think you are unkind, and that is the worst thing to be.

STILL, for those that care to go back and read what I said in CONTEXT, you will realize
that "D" is taking bits and parts from my letters and posting them in an order that best
helps her make me look bad. She takes events from day 1 and makes it look like they
were said on other days. WORSE!

I do not have the time to write a million words on the Internet. Nor did I ever think I had
to write out each and every second of my day. I have provided fast summaries of what happened,
speaking only of the key points.

"D" is using her own negative thinking to punch holes in my story. Based on her questions
it is clear that she is WANTING to come to a negative result. Negative thinkers create negativity.
And that is what "D" has done. Rather then asking for simple clarification, one question
at a time (which would allow me the opportunity to think), she has jumped in with ALL GUNS
ready to fire. She has not really asked one single question, rather, she presents everything
in an extremely hostile manner, and then has the nerve to think that I will submissively answer
her questions.

Also, this is not simply my story. I am trying to convey information and feelings that come
from another person, while at the same time trying to relay basic facts. Some of "D's" questions
are not reasonable for me to answer. She goes so far as to ask me why my neighbour parents
the way he does!!! How can I answer such unreasonable questions! Answer. I cannot. She
also makes wild assumptions; like... my neighbour teaches (or allows) his children to be frightened
of wolves, as if we parents control what our children will be frightened of.

As for the children at my house. I just met the neighbour in question and his family. I thought
that the boy who was frightened of wolves was his son. I had never seen the boy before and I
did not know who's child was who's. Have you ever had a open house, where friends are allowed
to bring friends, if you have, then you understand how placing kids with parents can be a problem.
There were many people here, and frankly, I really did not ever think I would be drilled on
the subject. I was just having fun.... not taking notes... pardon me for being relaxed!

Things that "D" has done to make me seem bad, have incredible simple, common sense
answers.

In real life I do not take kindly to people who point their fingers in my face! And
that is what "D" is doing. I will not address any of her question, because their is NOTHING that
can be said to appease people like her. She is an Internet bully who feels that she can type
whatever she wants because she is protected by her computer screen. Not only is this RUDE,
it is altogether POTHETIC.

I have found another Bigfoot group where the people are helpful. They do not ATTACK, rather
they ask for CLARIFICATION!

GOODBYE. This is not worth it. This is stupid and I am ashamed that I allowed myself to
get sucked in.

To my new friends - stay cool.

To the haters.... go get a life, you take this topic WAY to serious.

It is no wonder people tell their stories and then rush off.... if this is the way you treat your
company. I will find company where people try harder to be nice.

Excellent analysis JayleeD!
Thanks for taking the time to break it down and show the obvious inconsistencies.

Like I said - storytellers come and go.

edited to add: JalyleeD - does this mean that you are "fly" - or "hot" - or both ?????

ATTENTION ADMIN:


I would very much like to be removed from this forum, however, I am unable to find a link that
will allow me to do this. Could you please remove me from The Bigfoot Forums as soon as you
read this post.

In addition; I would like to make a formal complaint about one of your Administrators. According
to the RULES of this group, people are obliged to treat others with respect. On your "rules" page
it says:

Do not post on this site using language or a tone of voice that is different than the language or tone of voice you'd use if the person you're communicating with were sitting right in front of you. Remember that you are a guest here, and your tone should reflect that of a guest at a dinner party, not a wrestling match.

I would kindly ask that you review the content of this topic and pay particular attention to the
attitude of your elected administrator. I kindly ask that she no longer direct her emails towards me,
she BALIGERANTLY said that she did not care what I wanted and that she would direct hostel words
to me anyway. Is this in keeping with the suggested rules? She also said, I was "FULL OF s**t". Is
this the way people talk at a "dinner party"?

In any event; I wish this group all the best. It is great. But the allowed temperament of some posts
is altogether unacceptable, and for this reason I would KINDLY and SINCERLY ask that you remove
my memberships at your earliest convenience.

Thank you in advance.

P.S> If any of the other members could bring this letter to the attention of the groups Admin, I would
be most thankful. I have really had enough. Thanks Again

Real simple:
1) Take your mouse cursor, move it to the "x" in the top right corner of your screen.
2) Click
3) Do not enter "Bigfootforums.com" in your browser line again.



None of us are elected. As far as her treatment of you, I think that given the fish-story you have tried to feed us, you are lucky that she didn't go any further.
Jay has exercised remarkable restraint given your credibility.

I hate to see anyone get flamed, but you really asked for it.

And by the way, it is "Belligerently" & "Hostile"

Spell check brother.

Oh my GOD!!!!!

You people are really sick, please remove me from this group! This is a kind and simple request.
Every time a hateful letter is sent to this group I get a notification of it in my email box. Please
simply remove me from the group. There is no need to continue any more of this.

Please stop.

ATTENTION ADMIN: Remove me from this group. This has become abusive!

P.S.

I am not your BROTHER, and I don't care to spell check. I just want this horrible experience
to end. What a grave mistake it was to tell my simple story here!

Please remove me from the group.

If I continue to receive abusive letters in my email box I will contact other Internet authorities to stop
this.

Your Wrote:

"I hate to see anyone get flamed, but you really asked for it."

I asked for no such thing. I told the truth... you do not believe me. And you think that gives
you the right to treat me like s**t! What is wrong with you people! So whenever this group
finds a story FISHY, you freak out and act like grade school bullies! You admit that I am being
flamed, you KNOW it is against the rules of good Internet conduct. But you defend yourself!

I NOW FULLY understand why people wish to remain silent. And why so many wonderful
Bigfoot researchers simply give up! In a way this has been an enlightening experience, one that
I care not to repeat.

Shame....

PLEASE, CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO GET OFF THIS GROUP.

Still here Dog Trainer?

If you want to remove yourself from this group, just stop typing www.bigfoorforums.com into your web browser's address bar - it is very, very simple - even you can understand that I'm sure.



I have just one question though - you say that you live in a close knit community where you know everyone else, so why have you only just found out that your 'close' neighbour is well respected in the community?




Please do - I have just checked, and not one single email has been sent to you via this forum.

People may have seen PMs to you - if you don't want to read them, then don't visit this website.

If you have subscribed to notifications of PMs, then I suggest you log into your account and switch those notifications off, and you will never hear from this forum again.

Again, it is very, very simple - if you had bothered to read the posting guidelines and policies before you started posting, you would have known all this.

If you believe you have received abusive PMs, then by all means forward them to me and I'll investigate.

whooop whooooppp whooopp whooop whooop
my new bigfoot call/
u guys like it lol

Now this is SUPERNATURAL. THREE BF Administrators have come forward and NOT one of them has been
helpful. I am NOT typing anything in my address bar to get here. I get emails in my outlook express box.
I have every right to have my account here closed. It is a simple request that should be met with kindness.
There must be a link on the site that says "remove account", I want to know where this link is.

I am not going to answer any more questions. The Administrators of this group just want fighting and drama.
I will have nothing more to do with. You do not believe my story FINE. I told the truth. I am sorry that I did
not take the time to sit down and write a PERFECT story. I just wrote fast as things took place, and for that
I am being treated with joyful hate.

This is NO LONGER about Bigfoot, it is about abusive internet behaviour and my simple request to be
removed from this forum; where basic social etiquette does not matter.


The emails that come into my outlook say:

"You can unsubscribe at any time by logging into your control panel and clicking on the "View Subscriptions" link."

But I can't seem to make this happen???!!!

Come on - pay attention and do what it says in the emails - go to 'my controls'

on the left hand side you will see a section call 'subscriptions', where you have subscribed to topics or forums.

If you have subscribed to any, then 'unsubscribe'



Then go to 'options' and 'email settings' - one of those will read 'Send a notification email when I receive a new private message' - uncheck it

The posting guidelines state that you will not be 'removed' or 'deleted' from the forum - if you don't want to participate, then don't visit.

YOU chose to receive notifications of PMs and posts, not US, so if you are getting emails everytime someone posts, it is your fault, plain and simple.



I don't take accusations of 'internet abuse' lightly, so please prove it - forward those PMs to me please before you leave, otherwise I'll have to assume that you are not telling the truth.

"Please do - I have just checked, and not one single email has been sent to you via this forum."

This is BULL S#@%!! I am getting emails! They are in my box.... and it is going to STOP! I am currently
looking for the ISP provider of this group and I will seek help from them. I will send them a copy
of each and every email I have sent asking to be REMOVED FROM THIS GROUP. I will also send
copies of the outrageous replies I have gotten with respect to this simple request.

What is the problem here? How do I remove myself from this group? I want my membership closed.

Enough with the bigfoot stories.... lets act like adults, please help me remove my account here.

That is all.

I'm getting really tired of this shit.

Read what I have told you to do and stop whining


You can PM the ISP for this forum - he is called Bipto, and yes, he *is* the ISP as well as chief administrator. He will tell you exaxtly what I have told you about how to stop receiving notifications of emails and posts.


You still haven't forwarded those so-called 'abusive' emails - tell the truth here, they don't actually exist do they?

THANK YOU... I will try this now. I hope it works. I am deeply thankful.

Now, was that so hard?



"I'm getting really tired of this s**t."

Then teach your people not to s**t on others. You Ass!

Okay - thats enough - your banned

If you haven't followed my advice and cancelled your email notifications and topic subscriptions yet, then you need to email me at paul@bigfootforums.com to get it sorted out, but you are not spending another second on this forum.

The wonderful world of Bigfoot !!!

I bet Patty's turning in her grave !!