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cryptic1
Most people who have seen one would be lucky to see one again.

Some would be just as happy to never see one again.

I'm not sure where I stand yet on this.My cousin has seen it and drives the backroads furiously every chance he gets trying to stumble on it again.

I wouldnt want to kill it for anything.I have taken down numerous game animals and have no problem with killing for food.It goes against my grain.Plus,with my luck,it wouldnt stop and come turn me inside out.

There is an organization out there(I read about them during a search)They have put a hex on anyone who shoots a sas.(if you believe in such things).But these are the same people who dont believe its a real animal.They are convinced that it appears and disappears at will from another dimension.They feel that really bad things will happen to the shooter.
That part could easily become reality.
As far out as that sounds.These people are out there on this very internet.

Anyway,when the existance of this big oaf is proven and accepted,we will have much less to talk about for sure.
Arkansan
QUOTE(cryptic1 @ Sep 12 2003, 12:15 AM)
There is an organization out there(I read about them during a search)They have put a hex on anyone who shoots a sas.(if you believe in such things).But these are the same people who dont believe its a real animal.They are convinced that it appears and disappears at will from another dimension.They feel that really bad things will happen to the shooter.
That part could easily become reality.
As far out as that sounds.These people are out there on this very internet.

Ummm...that's not an organization. That's just Jon Erik Beckjord and his alter egos. :rolleyes:
jimf
QUOTE(Arkansan @ Sep 12 2003, 04:01 PM)
Ummm...that's not an organization.

Thats an understatement.not only is there no orginization,theres also no orginization. laugh.gif
jon a. larsen
Am continually amazed that anybody listens to his BS......and publishes whatever he writes...without editorial discretion.......evidence...The Bigfoot Co-Op......seems to kiss his butt.....see his rantings and pronouncements every few months there.....sorry, Constance.....
ranshirl
QUOTE(jimf @ Sep 12 2003, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(Arkansan @ Sep 12 2003, 04:01 PM)
Ummm...that's not an organization.

Thats an understatement.not only is there no orginization,theres also no orginization. laugh.gif

icon_really_happy_guy.gif you got that right! icon_really_happy_guy.gif
Knurd
My fear would be a wounded one….
A wounded bear can be trouble…a wounded BF could be deadly. Not only to others but whom ever pulled the trigger! I have a hunch that BF might just exact a bit of revenge on the individual who did the shooting. And that would be VERY SCARY to say the least. I sure wouldn’t want to be on the ground and the tree stand would have to be VERY high up for me to feel any bit secure about it. I don’t know where I read it at, but there was a tale/story about a guy in Africa/South America that was hunting some critters and a BF like thing came in, he shot it like a good hunter would and had all sorts of hell for a bit until it wandered off….
Also that brings up what if there are more than one traveling together…like others have said, just seeing one once in a life time is hard enough, getting a shot is harder, so most likely the person taking the shot wouldn’t know for sure if there were others about…and if there where, would ya take the shot? And would they come to the wounded ones rescue?
We are going to need a dead body to prove BF! But I think I would rather find out what they do with their dead…
Sean V
I have had three or four chances when I saw something "Sasquatch-like", whether it be off in the far distance or hovering about the tree line. Never once have I taken a shot at any of those times.

It could have been anything, a bear, a tree, a person, or maybe even a Sasquatch.

If I can't identify something 100%, I don't take the shot. It's just that simple.
JayleeD
QUOTE(SFS @ Sep 16 2003, 02:03 AM)
If I can't identify something 100%, I don't take the shot. It's just that simple.

Good point SFS, and to me, the most important rule of hunting ANYTHING! wink.gif
shaman
identification....

would have to 100% positive wasnt a person hoaxing.

technique...

only circumstance i can think of is, here it comes.. right at you...take th shot within ten feet..you only get one. right in th face with ought or number one buck from a 12 or 10 ga. IF you stop it, shuck th slide as you sidestep and slugs center of mass until one of you dies.(only pansies use auto shotgun, real men use pumps, just ask jack hammer.) if you dont stop it, then its a blade and a prayer.

life threatening, pretty much th only way id take a shot.

decision would be hard. facing down mock charge is not a thing id recommend and since we know SOOOOOOO much about these critters, how can we be sure it would mock charge?

what you do when it drops into th pot and your out on th sharp end is your business, take the shot, take a mauling/killing. take sasquatch home in a body bag/go home yourself in a body bag.

IF your one to say, "im gonna kill a sasquatch", youd better have thought this through. it could be your life.
and in life, "game over" means some s**t.

man, ive been reading too much hemingway and capstick lately.
Arletta
I think the wounding thing could be easily solved by A) not going for long range shots and B) using a suitable caliber weapon. Shooting anything other than birds with buckshot is, in my opinion, unnecessarily cruel. Personally my choice would be a shotgun with rifled slugs, same as I carry when hiking in bear country. My standards for shooting a sasquatch would be the same as with a bear...at super close range and then only if it was attacking me.
Of course there would be great temptation to nail one just to end the debate. However, knowing as we all do how boneheaded the scientific establishment is- they actually accused the first person who brought a playpus corpse to them of cobbling it together from a beaver and a duck, not to mention all the evidence and stuff that gets ignored or overlooked because it contradicts their religio...I mean theories...
I've been reading a gigantic book called "Forbidden Archeology" for the last few days...lots of interesting stuff.
Anyhow, I think we're supposed to be homo sapiens sapiens, though exactly when and where we pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps from simple sapiens I don't know. I think some sasquatches could possibly be homo. Somewhere recently I read an account of a sasquatch sighting where the guy could have shot one easily but didn't because he was convinced that they were "hnau*" and it would be murder. Maybe there are different kinds or levels of sasquatches? Perhaps some really are just large mountain gorillas and others are hairy people or almost-people? After all, the different names given to them by aboriginal people in different areas vary in emphasizing primate over person or vice versa.
Sorry this is so long and rambly...it's getting late and my brain is melting. Looking forward to lots of interesting discussions on this board.
*hnau...from CS Lewis' "Out of the Silent Planet"- I couldn't think of a better word to describe a nonhuman yet fully "human" being.
RogerKni
QUOTE(Arletta @ Oct 3 2003, 11:12 PM)
Anyhow, I think we're supposed to be homo sapiens sapiens, though exactly when and where we pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps from simple sapiens I don't know.

Someone (Mencken?) referred to us in passing as homo sap.
shaman
uh, birds with buckshot? uhhh?

its called buckshot cause its big b*lls. im prolly wrong here but i THINK i rememebr 31 caliber for number one, 32 for ought, and 33 for double ought. i personally always believed number ones best load as is bunch nmore of em in same capacity shotshell. look it up its really amazing how many more fit cause of a 2 hundredth inch difference in ball size.

i do remember in th old days a three inch magnum double ought remington load carried either twelve or fifteen b*lls. at ten feet that would literally be considered one mass arriving at th same time. its sure aint cruel to use as it aint crippling stuff its seriously killing stuff. at point blank ranges and with th multiple shot your are looking at blinding and maybe gettin one up thorough ocular region into brain or shattering jaw or cuttin jugular. and yes, when it drops in th pot, TOUCHING target with th muzzle is far enough away to miss.

im not dissin you personally arletta. and perhaps you had a different thought about shot loads from what came through on your post as written.

ok, im tired, i didnt look up the shot size or number, just ran em off th top of my head and thats really old info. anybody wants to get all technical on energies and such, be my guest

shaman who really aint near as bloodthirsty as he seems to be in all these shooting posts.
shaman
jeez i look like some kind of smacktard after looking at that last post, written when i was all bleary eyed and not thinking straight.
Spork77
QUOTE(RogerKni @ Oct 4 2003, 03:39 AM)
QUOTE(Arletta @ Oct 3 2003, 11:12 PM)
Anyhow, I think we're supposed to be homo sapiens sapiens, though exactly when and where we pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps from simple sapiens I don't know.

Someone (Mencken?) referred to us in passing as homo sap.

Someone (Mencken?) referred to us in passing as homo sap.

Excellent quote! And true is so many ways....
rlbigfoothunter
Well homicide to me is only a legal term,so is murder,manslaughter,nothing more than a crime dictated by society and law-makers/enforcers for imprisonment/punishment.if there were no laws and no punishment alot of people wouldnt be even talking morality nor otherwise.same goes for anyone thats even "crossed my path",one slight and they'd be feeding the bugs for a week.well,id say that goes for all other laws too.werent there then i could care less,i think life would be much simpler then.to hell wth work,just take and get what you need and to hell with the rest is my motto....just my 2 cents worth.....
jimf
..I think someone needs to find the "ex-cons" forum.. :rolleyes:
Curtis
I would never shoot a bigfoot for the chance of becoming rich. If someone is in bigfoot research for the money they should try to get excellent clear, close-range footage of one in the wild. This could bring in all kinds of money for the rest of their life from documentarys and interviews.
Sean V
QUOTE(rlbigfoothunter @ Nov 16 2003, 10:29 PM)
same goes for anyone thats even "crossed my path",one slight and they'd be feeding the bugs for a week.

Look out folks, we've got a tough guy here. :rolleyes:


And BTW, a body will feed an insect population for exactly 3 weeks to a month. I've seen the results personally. wink.gif
Logical1
I will start out with, for the benefit of you all, an analogy. Several thousand years ago, there were two human groups living in close proximity to one another, and at various time, the two groups bred with each other. These two groups are Cro-Magnon, and Neanderthal. Cro-Magnon, while not looking exactly like us, are a very close comparison. Also, the Neanderthal, while not looking very closely to us (more like the modern day sasquatch but for the height) were definately human and it might be interesting to know that red hair reportedly is from Neanderthal DNA. And these are just two interlapping human groups. They came from essentially the same gene pool, just as the Australian Aborigines came from a gene pool, ect. I think it is short sighted to assume that the sasquatch could not be from a seperate human gene pool, or a cross breed with other humans from thousands of years ago. If you will look back in history, the sasquatch predated the modern day American Indians, or at least overlapped them, like they overlap us. As for breeding capabilities, it has been done. Early in the last century, a female was taken captive by a man in the region of Russia and they bred. Not only did they breed successfully, but her children were not sterile either biologically or socially, as she has a line of geneology. As for the other instance it was a woman who bred with a sasquatch man. And the union produced a legitimate human child who looked the mix of them both, just as the Russian pair progeny did. And you can take the evidence for what you will, but one might delve further into the makings of humanity and realize that it does not fit a solo catagory. I might point out that just a half century or less ago, there were people in the USA in certain groups that insisted that African Americans were monkeys. In certain areas, you will still hear it. However, "whites and blacks" closely share the same DNA, almost 100 percent. Interesting? I certainly hope you all realize that sasquatch have been targetted before but nothing successfully recovered. You all should read up. It is also known that the sasquatch who have been injured by what you term "humans" have either taken revenge themselves, or their families have. And there are areas in which sasquatch are more aggressive than those of other areas. They do have a language, this I have heard, and it is no less comprehensive than that of German, or Japanese. It is distinct, and has depth to it. They may not be the type of human you are used to thinking of, but they certainly are a brand of. I would venture to say that the likening of them to apes is likely because their origins are more ancient, like that of the Neanderthal who also closely resembled apes. I think that should a sasquatch body, dead or alive ever be recovered, the world will be very stunned. You don't like thinking of there being any other humans out there, because it is threatening, especially as seen as they are so much bigger, and they have intelligence that may rival or exceed ours in certain areas. I just thought I'd give you all a different view. Do not limit yourselves to one thing. Shooting what you think is a gorilla may leave your conscience spinning if you find out that what you shot was an ancient human being. You ask me if I would shoot one, if armed? I would say that I would shoot anyone who was going to kill me. But, from what I understand they are generally not into killing us. I would be more afraid of the abusive husband I left, than a sasquatch. Having had my own experiences with the sasquatch, and having been left unmolested that is a firm basis for that belief. I think we would be more successful in finding out who they are if we'd try to communicate with them instead of running in fear at first sight. Anyway, that's enough.
chronic
QUOTE(Logical1 @ Dec 22 2003, 03:26 PM)
it might be interesting to know that red hair reportedly is from Neanderthal DNA.

Yep, it's called the "Ginger Gene".

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London - Red hair may be the genetic legacy of Neanderthals, according to a new study by British scientists.

Researchers at the John Radcliffe Institute of Molecular Medicine in Oxford were quoted by The Times as saying the so-called "ginger gene" which gives people red hair, fair skin and freckles could be up to 100 000 years old.

They claim that their discovery points to the gene having originated in Neanderthal man who lived in Europe for 200 000 years before Homo sapien settlers, the ancestors of modern man, arrived from Africa about 40 000 years ago.

Rosalind Harding, the research team leader, told The Times: "The gene is certainly older than 50 000 years and it could be as old as 100 000 years.

"An explanation is that it comes from Neanderthals." It is estimated that at least 10 percent of Scots have red hair and a further 40 percent carry the gene responsible, which could account for their once fearsome reputation as fighters.

Neanderthals have been characterised as migrant hunters and violent cannibals who probably ate most of their meat raw. They were taller and stockier than Homo sapiens, but with shorter limbs, bigger faces and noses, receding chins and low foreheads.

The two species overlapped for a period of time and the Oxford research appears to suggests that they must have successfully interbred for the "ginger gene" to survive. Neanderthals became extinct about 28 000 years ago, the last dying out in southern Spain and southwest France. - Sapa-DPA


http://www.planetsave.com/ViewStory.asp?ID=488
Fletch28
QUOTE
2 things here, If you really shot and say killed a sas how in the sam hell would you get the thing out of the woods?


OK, heres what ya do. Grab your B.A.R. and about 200 ft of tow rope. Drive your truck into the woods. Take your B.A.R. and rope with you into the woods. Just don't stray far from yer truck. Empty B.A.R. into squatch. Tie rope to squatch haul ass to truck and tie other end to trailer hitch. Jump in truck and haul ass.

Next point: Prove squatch ain't human.
1. Humans eyes don't reflect lite to the intensity a squatches do whch compares to a deers eyes. Wait, my brother in laws eyes do that when he's lit. never mind.

ok
1. Humans aren't covered from head to foot with hair. Wait, that's my mother in law. Never mind.

ok
1. Humans don't growl at you or scream at you with the intensity a squatch does. Wait, thats my wife I'm talking about. Never mind.

Maybe squatch really is a human and a relative of mine by marraige. Hmmmm. unsure.gif
sagehunter
Listen i have seen one of these creatures and they are not anymore intellagent then the other ape spieces they are , in my opinion, an american great ape. I do believe that we could get the best most quality vedio footage and the scientific community as a whole would still doubt. People just plain do not whish to believe something that is out of their normal thought process. Someone will have to kill one and bring it in for all to believe. maybe the sacrifice of one of these great animals will inssue the protection of the entire species. I don`t want it to come to this but believe with all my heart it will have too
RogerKni
Here's a hard-boiled way of looking at it. Assume 1000 BFs exist, and they live 50 years on average; then 20 die per year. If 4000 BFs exist and they live 40 years on average, then 100 die per year. If one is shot, then, for that year, 21 (or 101) would die. So things would be only 5% (or 1%) more tragic than they would have been without a shooting. And a shooting-death would be more merciful than many a "natural" death in the wild.

I don't think that nothing but a kill will convince science--testimony from a very prestigious source, or video of an 8-foot animal doing things only an eight-footer could do, from an unimpeachable source (like a cop-car-cam), would turn most scientists into 51% believers, and shake loose some serious funding. I favor alerting police officials to the possibility of their employees filming a BF and urging them to turn on the camera if they see one. But we've had such poor luck with cameras that it might be another 20 years before such a killer video turns up. By that time the Caucasian almas will have gone extinct. If it is to be preserved (and it is far more scientifically interesting than BF), BF must be confirmed (or strongly suspected) quickly, so that funding for foreign preservation efforts starts SOON.

EDIT: Hey, this is my 666th post! new_evil.gif
JayleeD
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EDIT: Hey, this is my 666th post! 


Now Roger, that's just tooooo scary! icon_surprised.gif
RogerKni
Another (very) hard-boiled point is that if it were a male that got shot, it wouldn't have an effect in reducing the viability of the species. Another male would be happy to replace him as harem-head and supply the sperm needed to keep the babies coming at the same rate as before. And since males are (I've read) sighted five times more frequently than females, it's most likely a male that would be shot.
Fishbone35
QUOTE(RogerKni)
I don't think that nothing but a kill will convince science


Roger...shouldn't that be "anything but a kill"?

Tsk, tsk. new_whistle.gif

I'm sorry. I know I shouldn't have. And like my mama always told me, I'm sure payback will be hell. wink.gif new_tonguesmiley.gif laugh.gif
JetLag112
As Homo-sapiens it is our right to do as we wish with the world around us and its inhabitants in order to better understand ourselves. This is what we do, this is how we work. We most likely killed or ate the neanderthals. We are human beings, we eat meat, we destroy habitat, no matter how much we bitch about it, WE STILL DO IT BECAUSE WHAT ELSE ARE WE SUPPOSE TO DO?!??!

A Bigfoot is unlike you or me, it has long arms, a bullet shaped head, ripped chest, an 8ft frame.... it is no homo-sapien. This animal is a primate. Yes it is related to us closely or distantly, yes it might have actual inteligence and yes it has every right to live and defend itself from people... But it is my right to understand it. The only way we can is by getting a body or some close observation of it in its habitat. Possibly by tagging one?

Either way, it has a right to do whatever it wants to survive and prosper, but so does the human race, and we prosper by knowledge of our world.

In an ideal world, one would come out and volunteer to be tested on and so that we could know they are actually there and set aside refuge, but in real life, we are moving in on their turf and we are going to wipe them out sooner or later. Lets at least know we are doing it so we can try to save as many as we can.
JetLag112
QUOTE(SFS @ Aug 25 2003, 10:06 PM)
The day that a dead Sasquatch is brought in is the day I trade in my .444 for a camera. I don't hate these creatures, I just want to lay the mystery to rest.

Same with me...

After we know that they are really there, then we can try to actually care for them and presreve habitat for as long as we can.
Littlehand
QUOTE(Fishbone35 @ Aug 26 2003, 07:22 PM)
I still think Roger Patterson said it best when he said he didn't know how the legalities would work for the person who shot one but he felt sure that their life wouldn't be worth much after the fact.

I believe he was on target there. Everyone likes to talk about all these warm, fuzzy, tree-hugger types like they're all wearing Barney t-shirts and having love-ins but these are the same folks who will spike a tree and not give a tinker's damn about some sad sack cutting timber for a living when he gets his face ripped off by the chain when it breaks loose.

You really think they'd hesitate to put a spike through the shooter's head? Hardly. You'd forever be the bastard posterchild for the liberal left and you wouldn't be able to drive to the corner grocery store without thoroughly checking your vehicle for explosives or tampering...going and coming. Boy, that's the kind of popularity I can live without!

And please, don't anyone fool yourself into thinking that it couldn't happen to you. It could. Or maybe not you, maybe they'd be more insidious than that. Maybe it would be your wife, or your children, or your grandma. Just something to think about if you ever happen to have a bipedal, pointy-headed, hair covered, critter in your sights.

Food for thought, folks.

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Mike I
Sacrifices will have to be made in order for this question to be answered. I feel that if the opportunity arises to shoot a Bigfoot then it must be taken. It is in our nature to seek knowledge and understand of the world around us. I think what frightens us about this subject is the fact that this animal behaves like us to a point. But where I think the line is drawn in the sand is there is no tangible proof positive evidence that would stop the debates and arguing among Researchers about what Bigfoot really is. How would we stop this?


I am for bagging one....lock and load and safety's off...

edited for mindless jabber
rlbigfoothunter
Well,there are more than one,in any given area,especially around here.though ill keep my mouth shut and just say"as sure as the bbq frito's corn are in my mouth now,ill be sure to bring "one"in,as soon as i get all my stuff together in the near future."based upon my experience,im sure to bring one in,not long after i go out looking....that being said,like to have a couple partners to share the wealth with,percentage wise on the money only.anyone interested let me know,if not,then oh well....
yowie
Unbelievable!I can't believe what I'm reading.I know this is an old topic,but I've just joined this forum.The year 2004 and still all these small minded people with firearms.So you gotta' "bring one down".How sporting of you!No wonder so many animals are gone,or almost gone from this earth!Do you really think shooting one or two will stop there!Bloody clowns!You really have no idea,do you!The day you do that,is the begining of the end for these animals.Lets just hope that if and when the day comes,that you've got this ancient animal in ya bloody sites,you see things alittle clearer,see the big picture!At the moment it sounds like some of you jokers have a bad case of tunnel vision.There's no way this forum would allow me to post what I really think of you fellas that want kill this animal,but your more than welcome to e-mail me and cop a mouth full!I spend days at a time searchin' deep into the Australian bush with nothing more than a knife,I understand the need to be armed in America,while out in the feild,with bears,lions,ect....but to just go out and murder a BF?Wake Up idiots!
tiny
QUOTE(SFS @ Aug 25 2003, 10:06 PM)
I hope that I do actually get the clear chance to bring one down, I have stated that before and will say it again now. As to the point of becoming a "gazillionaire", it would be nice, but it would be blood money, and I don't want it. icon_neutral.gif

If and when I do bring one in, it will be given to one of three places: The Smithsonian Institute, The Royal Ontario Museum, or the British Museum of Natural History. What do I want with a Sasquatch corpse, I'm no Frank Hansen.

The day that a dead Sasquatch is brought in is the day I trade in my .444 for a camera. I don't hate these creatures, I just want to lay the mystery to rest.

And to those people who would think I'm an asshole, well screw them. I know who my friends are, here and elsewhere, and I would hope that they would be friends through thick and thin. icon_neutral.gif

I'm pro-kill and not afraid to admit it. Anyone who does not like it will just have to live with it.

I am with you on that one SFS. I just want prove the existence of sasquatch. Then instead of all these jokers making a living out of making the rest of us look like jokers, SOMEBODY then can actually DO some research. I am not for wiping them out or even hunting them for sport or food, but rather to protect them. So what if people think that I am a bastard for killing it most people on here already think that of me. So what is there for me to lose? Getting the carcass out of the woods is of my least concern. My greastest concern would be to find a decent attorney who could handle things for me. Also I would need to fly in the few friends I do have here. I would rather have them go before the media then have the jokers show up and make a spectacle of the situation. Its not really the money thing with me but the carcass would not be given away either. I would at least need enough to cover the expense of hiring a few body guards and changing my name and identity until the storm dies down. Also the hiring of a good attorney and some operating cash to make sure some rich jackass doesn't try to tie it up in court or make off with it due to some technicality. I would really like to see someone with a reputation and a brain(with the means to use the brain also) to get their chance to make some discoveries. Personally I am pro-dart but pro-kill might be a necessity. new_lmaosmiley.gif
tiny
QUOTE(soro @ Mar 16 2004, 10:51 PM)
Unbelievable!I can't believe what I'm reading.I know this is an old topic,but I've just joined this forum.The year 2004 and still all these small minded people with firearms.So you gotta' "bring one down".How sporting of you!No wonder so many animals are gone,or almost gone from this earth!Do you really think shooting one or two will stop there!Bloody clowns!You really have no idea,do you!The day you do that,is the begining of the end for these animals.Lets just hope that if and when the day comes,that you've got this ancient animal in ya bloody sites,you see things alittle clearer,see the big picture!At the moment it sounds like some of you jokers have a bad case of tunnel vision.There's no way this forum would allow me to post what I really think of you fellas that want kill this animal,but your more than welcome to e-mail me and cop a mouth full!I spend days at a time searchin' deep into the Australian bush with nothing more than a knife,I understand the need to be armed in America,while out in the feild,with bears,lions,ect....but to just go out and murder a BF?Wake Up idiots!

Soro about 4 years ago I had the opportunity to on safari in Africa but when I found out that I couldn't bring any of the meat home and all these "trophy hunters" did was shoot some poor buffalo or elephant and take the horns and tusks and maybe a cape or a foot(for a footstool) I decided that was not for me. All the stories I read as a youngster about English hunters and the like shooting these "man-eating lions" or "village-destroying elephants" or even these cape buffalo that killed a PH and a client, they don't show me that,I,as an American hunter am worse. In fact, they taught me to be better. To date everything I kill, I EAT! I would rather eat deer meat than go out to a burger joint anyday. But killing a sasquatch is for the benefit of science. After we have one, we can pass legislation for the protection of the rest. Do you know what happens here when one kills a bald eagle? Bad things. There was a moron about 20 miles away from me that shot an American bison illegally. Do you know what he got for it? LIFE WITH NO PAROLE. We are not a bunch of "kill-happy Americans" as you hear in movies. What would make me happy is the knowing of the existence of sasquatch so we can protect and cherish one of the most elusive animals on the North American continent. It is the only one that I would not want a taste of the meat. BTW how do you like your shampoo or your deodorant? You know that many poor animals suffered in the testing of those products that you take for granted everday. So tell me is wrong to kill a sasquatch for the science and okay to torture, maim, genetically modify lab animals, and even kill them so you can feel safe about your shampoo and other products? icon_bang.gif icon_bang.gif icon_bang.gif
yowie
Yep,I hear ya Tiny!I know what your sayin' mate!In the end you want to get the law to protect something that has been smart and cunning enough to avoid humans for centuries.This wise old creature needs the law!Maybe you could find him/her a good lawyer."Do you know what happens here when one kills a bald eagle? Bad things. There was a moron about 20 miles away from me that shot an American bison illegally. Do you know what he got for it? LIFE WITH NO PAROLE."These animals were all hunted and killed for nothing at all,but a trophy.It was along time comming before the law caught up,and protected them!How many BF are going to suffer the same fate,before the law is handed down to protect.Once you kill one,every man and his dog are going to be after them.Count on it!Surely you can see that Tiny.It happens over and over mate.Aussie-Aussie-Aussie.....
tiny
QUOTE(soro @ Mar 17 2004, 05:18 PM)
Yep,I hear ya Tiny!I know what your sayin' mate!In the end you want to get the law to protect something that has been smart and cunning enough to avoid  humans for centuries.This wise old creature needs the law!Maybe you could find him/her a good lawyer."Do you know what happens here when one kills a bald eagle? Bad things. There was a moron about 20 miles away from me that shot an American bison illegally. Do you know what he got for it? LIFE WITH NO PAROLE."These animals were all  hunted and killed for nothing at all,but a trophy.It was along time comming before the law caught up,and protected them!How many BF are going to suffer the same fate,before the law is handed down to protect.Once you kill one,every man and his dog are going to be after them.Count on it!Surely you can see that Tiny.It happens over and over mate.Aussie-Aussie-Aussie.....

Ok you have your beliefs and I have mine.
yowie
Edit by Moderator - Edited in the spirit of civility. ;
No worries Fishbone! new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif
Fishbone35
^^

When good PMs go too slow. wink.gif

BTW, he's tiny. I'm Tim or, uh, Timmy.
yowie
Sorry 'bout that 'Fishbone',Tim,I had just read your post in my mail box about the upload problem I had,before I posted a reply to Tiny.Sorry again mate!
Fishbone35
No worries! biggrin.gif

*note to self, do NOT get in between any physical confrontations involving a Texan and an Aussie* icon_razz.gif

Seriously, thanks to both of you guys. thumbup.gif
Old man
There are no recipes for bigfoot meat, just cook like deer or elk.
The backstrap is the best, the rest is just so-so, kinda like beef. new_whistle.gif
Huntster
Great points made on this thread. Witty ones, too, as usual. No nuts here, just down to earth, curious, and moral folks.

I wouldn’t shoot a sasquatch, but wouldn’t condemn someone who does (if he/she did the right thing afterward; provide appropriate evidence to the scientific community for free, then profited with the book and media deals).

I’ve packed several moose out of the field on my back, and more than once by myself. It’s no easy task. I would hope that the head, hands, and feet would be enough proof, and that alone would weigh 50 to 75 lbs.

I’ve also wounded a bear and lost him. It was a classic case of “buck fever”. The first shot was made like a pro, then I stood there watching him roll and thrash. Then he got up and ambled off into the brush while I stood there watching. As soon as he disappeared the realization came over me; “You idiot; why didn’t you keep shooting like you know you should? Now you’ve got a wounded bear in the woods”. I was mesmerized and lost focus on my own actions. We gave him 5 minutes to lie down and die (hopefully), and then went tracking. We followed his trail for over a half mile. He rolled down into a muddy slough, came back up the other side, and his blood trail faded away. The mud and water slowed his bleeding. We never found him. My failure sickened me, and I was furious and disappointed with myself. I learned a basic lesson of bear hunting; empty your gun into him, then reload and prepare for more. Never assume he’s “down” until you start field dressing him.

Yeah, some folks will hate me for such a failure. That’s okay. Those folks probably wouldn’t like me anyway, and that wouldn’t break my heart. Hunting is part of my life, and that screw up won’t end it. I learned my lesson and will move on.

As for bluff charges, that’s a tough subject. I was bluff charged by a small black bear that I surprised in a salmonberry patch at close quarters once. All I could get off was a single warning shot. He veered away from a straight on charge and ran by me (perhaps 10 feet away) and down the trail I came in on. The whole affair happened in less than 15 seconds. When he was gone, and only for the third time in my life, my knees shook so uncontrollably that I could hardly stand.

If a sasquatch charged, bluff or not, I’d likely take an aimed shot if I had time. I’d certainly shoot a warning shot. There’s no time for critical thought in those situations. You’re going on pure adrenaline.
Wildman
I'd never shoot one, but if someone else does, then that's ok, too. Killing just for killing's sake isn't my thing. I don't feel that we actually need to prove the existence of Sasquatch bad enough to kill one.

However, if I was in a situation in which I had to shoot a BF and wounded it, there is no doubt I would track it down, if only to put it out of it's misery. Of course, I would also take the head, a hand, and a foot as evidence.
liebling
dont do it
uffda320
I really don't want to sound like a blood thirsty savage...but, the fact remains. There's only one way to positively identify a new species of creature..well, TWO ways I guess. Either capture one or kill one.
Capturing one I think would be almost impossible. We can't even capture a decent image on film, how will we ever capture one alive? The only way I could think of obtaining a live creature would be to tranquilize it. How many people have tranquilizer guns and take them into the field when on an expedition and what are the odds that person will get a decent shot at a BF? I think the odds are very slim of that ever happening.
The other option is killing a BF. Like I said earlier, I am by no means someone that runs around wanting to kill a BF, but I believe this is the only way we'll be able to study a creature up close and figure out what it is. Surely other creatures (animals) were killed before they too were discovered and studied. I just think BF is more of an animal than it is a human, and to get one into the hands of the scientific community, death is the only answer.

Uffda
Guy
First, I'd like to say howdy, as this is my first post here.

This is a topic I've given a fair amount of thought to. First, I'd only shoot in defense of myself or others. If a large, powerful animal charges me I'm not waiting around to see if it's bluffing. I'm drawing a bead and taking up trigger slack, at the very least. If it turned out to be a man in a costume it would probably be ruled justifiable homicide, at least in my neck of the woods. You don't come to a place known as the Sportsman's Paradise and run around the woods in a fur suit. However, there are some jurisdictions that make it a crime to bag a sas. Aside from fines, I'm not sure what that would entail.

This is how I picture the ideal situation:
Since I've yet to read an account of a BF just flat-out charging a person (and I've read quite a few reports), I'm pretty sure I'd have some warning. Typical encounters seem to involve person sighting BF. If BF sights person, they just seem to stand there and stare at each other for a while. If BF approaches, it's at a walk. In that case, I'd ready my weapon, take aim at the face (just below the nose for something that much taller than me) and say, "If you are a person in a costume, speak up now. Otherwise I'll assume you're an animal and shoot." I would repeat this as often as the situation dictated. Once the BF reached a certain point, I'd fire. If my shot goes true I'll hit it in the brain and it'll be instant lights out. When it falls, I'll shoot it in the head again. Now, I won't go looking for one of these things to kill for science, but if an unusual situation such as I just described occurred, I'd certainly take advantage of it. I'd definately take a foot for comparison to all the track casts. I'd also want a hand, to see how it compares to ours and other primates. I think the head would be my last priority because I've just shot it twice (maybe more, if I'm scared enough) in the brain with a large caliber weapon. There probably won't be a hell of a lot left to examine. Still, if possible, I'd take the head. If it's an atypical situation, things naturally change. If something charges me out of the woods or darkness, I'm likely to just open fire. Since such a creature is a complete unknown, I do the best I can and figure it's about on par with a bear, meaning if you don't take out it's central nervous system you're just going to piss it off. However, a pelvic shot, while not killing it, might anchor it. I'd hate to inflict such pain on the thing, but if it's him or me...

The only proof that'll be accepted as absolute is a carcass. Personally, I won't do it. The traditional scientific method of taking a watch apart to see how it works is fine for a watch, but I think when you're talking about a rare and (probably) very intelligent species, I'd say it's ethically debatable, at best. However, if others are willing to bring one down I won't stop them or condemn them, provided they go about their hunt in an ethical manner. Gods help them when PETA finds out, though. And Greenpeace. And Earth First. Although I think capturing one alive would be a far greater cruelty.
Guy
QUOTE(Old man @ Mar 18 2004, 01:16 AM)
There are no recipes for bigfoot meat, just cook like deer or elk.
The backstrap is the best, the rest is just so-so, kinda like beef. new_whistle.gif

I was sure it would taste like chicken wink.gif
uffda320
Welcome to the forums Guy!

You made a good point, about giving a fair warning to the "creature" in question.
QUOTE
"If you are a person in a costume, speak up now. Otherwise I'll assume you're an animal and shoot." I would repeat this as often as the situation dictated.
That at least would clear your conscience if you did shoot a human in a BF costume..at least you warned them what you were about to do!

I think the only reason I could shoot a BF without any regret, is simply because science and most everyone else says that BF does not exist! People tell me all the time (not here) that such a creature as BF simply doesn't exist. If that's true, then what could be the consequences of shooting an animal they say doesn't exist? I know there are laws in effect in certain areas of this country, where shooting a BF is illegal...I think that's stupid though...how can you have a law saying it's against the law to shoot something that the majority of the population says doesn't exist!

Just my .02 though.

Uffda
Guy
QUOTE(uffda320 @ Apr 29 2004, 10:05 PM)
I know there are laws in effect in certain areas of this country, where shooting a BF is illegal...I think that's stupid though...how can you have a law saying it's against the law to shoot something that the majority of the population says doesn't exist!

Thanks for the warm welcome. I can only speculate on why some places outlawed shooting them. If I were on the governing body I might vote in favor of the law in an attempt to stay a few itchy trigger fingers and maybe keep some goon in a gorilla suit from getting blown to hell. Of course, if he's stupid enough to try that, one could argue he deserves what he gets. I honestly think some of the sheriff's deputies here might call it a suicide rather than a homicide.

Wherabouts is Walker? I have a friend in Stephen, which is pretty much due east of Grand Forks.
Fishbone35
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If that's true, then what could be the consequences of shooting an animal they say doesn't exist?


Oh...I don't know. There's always the possiblility of having some left-wing environmentalist whacko taping dynamite to the inside of your vehicle's rims, or your wife's vehicle. I don't imagine the Ted Kacinski's of the world are very discriminate when it comes to their intended target. So what if they're one car off?
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