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This occurred on the very same lake approx. one year before the strange vocalization incident that I posted here:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...ic=2687&hl=

At the time of this incident, I was fishing alone from shore on a lake in the Kawarthas system. It was beneath an old bridge on which a country road crossed a narrow channel that joined 2 main bodies of a lake. It was one of my favorite spots because I caught my first muskie a few weeks earlier. As you can see from the image, the location of these two events were not very far apart. Perhaps 200 to 300 metres apart. Anyway, here's what happened:

It was a cool September evening, probably between midnight and 1 AM and I was fishing for about 3 hrs without a single bite to show for. I was just about to call it quits when I started to hear something moving around in the woods on the other side of the channel. It should be noted that the lower part of all the trees were obscured by brush and weeds. I could clearly hear leaves and twigs being lightly disturbed so I assumed it was something small foraging for food. After a few more casts, the disturbance I heard started to get louder ( not closer, just louder ). Then I could hear the sound of twigs snapping ( it could also have been branches being snapped off). Again, I didn't think anything unusual was happening. As I listened in, the activity started to increase considerably. At first, I thought it was from something climbing up a tree making that noise. It was obvious this creature was not as small as I originally thought. So I decided to turn on my flashlight to catch a glimpse of whatever was climbing up. To my surprise, the noise was not from something climbing up but rather something shaking the entire tree. I could clearly see that something of considerable strength was causing this because the tree was 25 to 35 feet in height. When I concentrated the flashlight at the base of the tree my view was obstructed by all the brush. As I did that, the tree started to shake more violently. It is at this point that things got scary. The initial tree stopped shaking but the one next to it started to move and this continued from tree to tree. It appeared to me that this thing was slowly making it's way to the road on the other side of the bridge. When this thing was about half way to the road, I was on the verge of hauling a$$ to my car. To my relief, this activity ceased. I stood motionless for the next 10 minutes trying listen for any further motion. At the same time, trying to guess what was causing the trees to shake. The only animal I could think of that was strong enough to do this was a black bear. Saying that a big raccoon was responsible would definitely be a stretch because this tree was not a mere sapling. When nothing else happened, I packed up and left. To fulfill my curiosity, I decided to stop on the side of the road adjacent to where the last tree was shaken and illuminate it with my flashlight. Of course I stayed inside the car just in case it was a bear. Couldn’t see a thing because it was beyond the range of the flashlight. So I turned my car such that the headlights were pointing directly on the area in question. First, I turned on the low beams and couldn't see anything. Switched to the hi-beams, nothing. However, when I switched backed to the low beams, I would swear I thought something moved. I stared directly at where I thought I saw the motion but after a few minutes with my eyes glued to that spot, I concluded it was probably my imagination. Just my eyes playing tricks on me in the dark. I started my drive home.

It is important for everyone to realize that the only reason I never considered this to be strange is because I was convinced it was a black bear. They are known to feed at night especially if there is a lot human activity such as people fishing. Additionally, I am in no way implying that this is BF related nor am I saying that it is connected to my experience a year later with those strange noises. The reason I thought I’d post this is because of a recent cryptozoological article I read that made reference to tree shaking and strange animal noises. In this article, it described how during one night, 2 black bear hunters were terrified by something violently shaking trees surrounding their campsite. It got so bad that both took several shots at the base of one of the trees hitting something that let out a screeching scream and other weird grunting noises. Both hunters agreed that black bears are not known for tree shaking. I'll try to find the link to that story and post it.

I'm hoping someone with more knowledge of black bears can shed light on my encounter.

Moderators: would it be suitable to move this into the "Eastern Canada" sub-section? I worry that it otherwise will be lost in the shuffle. Thanks.

hey everyone wow this is a very interesting sasquatch experiance. updates as they accure i feel like a reporter lol.

Without any evidence to the contrary - I would think that your intitial conclusion that this was a bear is right on the mark.
As for the idiots shooting at the base of a tree in the dark - pure stupidity and reckless behaviour. People who cannot control their emotions should not own guns.
Bears will "shake trees" for fruit and acorns. Sometimes - as a way of showing or transferring aggression - they will swat trees. Bears climbing trees will also cause them to sway. I have seen agitated sub-adult bears climb up and down a number of trees in the span of a few minutes.
Again - in the absence of any evidence to the contrary - one should always consider the most logical explanation as being the "right" one.

Just curious, but when did this occur (recently)? During the whole encounter did you ever here any noises from the animal, grunts, growls etc. ? Thanks!

I couldn't find the article, but I did manage to find a thread that discusses the incident. Interesting to note, the 2 hunters had rocks thrown at them so they ruled out a bear as being the culprit. Here's the link:

http://www.cryptozoology.com/forum/topic_v...&pid=351306

Here's the recording that prompted me to post my original vocalization encounter, when I first heard it I couldn't believe how similar they were.

http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/sounds/ORBF_sierragrowl.mp3

Seriously, No B.S. , it really creeped my out when I first heard the recording. The feminine vocalization I heard matches the whistling sound at the end of the recording. And the growling from the recording matches the pi$$ed off masculine vocalizations.

Again, this does not mean I heard BF. It only implies I may have heard the same type of creature that was recorded in that mp3 file which could be anything.




The tree shaking incident took place in the fall of 1997. No animal noises were heard.

The freaky sounds I heard first took place in the summer of 98 and again in 99. The strangest thing about each time I heard them is the fact that I never heard them if I was fishing from my boat. It would only happen if I was using my fishing float tube ( they're designed to sneak up on fish because there is no mechanical propulsion, just flippers )

float tube pics: http://www.allalaska.com/imagebank/gallery/Float%20Tube/


So with such a low profile in the water and not generating any noise combined with the darkness, you can imagine that I could approach undetected. That's probably why I never heard it using the boat. Even the electric trolling motor on my boat created a humming noise and a disturbance in the water.

Good report, great map.

I know this area very well and I am certainly intrigued. Please keep me posted.


Alex

Here's an informal update. I decided to make a list of animals indigenous to southern Ontario that could have generated those noises I heard. As you can see, I included some outrageous long shots. The ones in bold are what I think are the likely suspects.

Black Bear
Wolf
Coyote
raccoon
skunk
wolverine
badger
moose
deer

Then I visited about 2 dozen websites that had animal sounds and listened to hundreds of audio files. Some even had those noises categorized into specific calls such as mating, distress and anger. Needless to say, nothing really came close. I was disappointed because I was hoping it would be a black bear. If a black bear generated the sounds, logic would dictate that it was also responsible for the tree shaking.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I decided to listen to some primate calls that were also available on these websites. I went through about a dozen files and I would say an aggressive gorilla call had the greatest similarity. Not an exact match, but similar. The only thing that's driving me nuts is what made those freaking whistling/feminine noises.

Interesting side note. I use to be so irritated when I listened to all those alleged BF recordings and how everyone concluded they had BF on tape. But I have to admit, after listening to all those ape calls there are some striking similarities.

Anyway, I'm planning to do some night fishing on that lake this Sunday night. In the meantime, I am going to experiment with a set of military grade night vision goggles I have. I recently got a 10x telescopic lens for it along with a 5 million candle power infrared flashlight. They should come in handy.

I'll post back later.

Hi, folks. (I haven't posted since Nov. '05, but I've frequently visited.) For what it's worth, here is an undocumented sighting by an old acquaintance of mine at Lake Dalrymple dating back to the mid-1960s. This occurred at night along an unlit cottage road. Two large running beasts making a huge racket broke from the brush at the side of the road, crossed the road and vanished into the bush on the other side. My friend and his gal, who were walking at the time, were startled witless and only got the night light up in time to glimpse the second creature, which reportedly looked to them like a huge, dark, shaggy man. As I recall they were only about twenty feet from the point of crossing. They did not get to see the first creature, so it could have been some sort of pursuit - maybe BF after a deer or moose; or maybe a couple of BF playing tag. Anyway, that was years ago - long before anyone around here really knew anything about squatchy - and I have long since lost track of my friend.
Dudlow

This is going to make my night fishing trip this Sunday that much more interesting. I bought one of those keychain digital voice recorders which I plan to bring along. Just in case.

Here's a wierd update. I decided to go Monday because the forecast called for high winds and rain on Sunday. I got to the lake just before the sunset and managed to take a few pics.

Here's a view from the bridge facing north-west looking at the far side of the narrows where the tree shaking took place:





Here's the view from the bridge facing south-west.




Here's another view facing south-south-west. The pole in the photo stands at where an older bridge stood. It's also where a dirt road is that people use to launch boats. Either side of the boat launch is really thick bush. The vocalizations I heard took place about 50 to 100 yards past the boat launch.






I drove my truck to the old bridge where people launch their boats. By the time I launched my float tube the sun had just set and darkness fell upon the lake. I fished for about 3 hours and nothing out of the ordinary occurred. I went to the spot of tree shaking and to the area where I heard vocalizations with nothing unusual. To add to my disappointment, the only thing I caught was a rock bass that was smaller than the lure I used. As I made my way back to my truck I said to myself, what a wasted trip. As I lifted my tube out of the water, I heard a beaver smacking it’s tail about 50 yards away. I should mention that the beavers on this lake drive nuts because they usually follow me around in the water and scare away all the fish.

I emerged from the water and started loading my gear into my truck. That's when something strange started to happen. I clearly heard the sound of someone or something crushing something metallic I continued to load-my gear and I heard it again. It was coming from 30 to 40 feet south of my position inside the dense bush. I mean this stuff is freaking impenetrable. There was no other noise, just the crushing noise. Keep in mind that it was 1 AM, pitch black and I'm alone in the middle of nowhere. So this was causing a very uneasy feeling for me. The closest thing I can compare it to is the sound of a gas can or one of those big cans of food being crushed. Just like the tree shaking incident, it had to be something of significant strength. When I heard it a third time, I tossed everything into the truck as fast as I could and hauled a$$ out of there. I didn't want an up close and personal encounter with whatever was making that noise.

Anyway, I'm definitely not saying it's related to my previous encounters. However, it was from the general direction part way between my location and where the vocalizations took place.

The thing that's bothering is that I fished close to where the noise came from minutes before and I also had to pass it to return to my truck. The sounds only started when I emeged from the water. I guess it could be a black bear munching down on a tin can of food. If so, there's a huge population of black bears at the lake.

Any comments would be appreciated.

I don't know what to think about that one B.F.S. Other than it's definitely FREAKY. I have a hard time seeing an animal, B/F or not, playing with something man made. I'm assuming it was man made considering the metallic sound.

Actually, according to hundreds of independent reports over the years, curious BF spend a lot of their hang time investigating anything they come across that might be man made. In addition, they seem to be quite adroit at opening all manner of food containers, including large tin cans, that they might have purloined from the nearest public camping sites. Everything from huge earth moving equipment to childrens' quacky toys have become fair game for their play.

I'm not suggesting that squatchy is necessarily involved here, but I have heard nothing so far to indicate it is not. And yes, the metal sounds could come from a bear or other critter having at a coffee tin or some other similar human food artifact. For little fellows, raccoons can set up quite a surprisingly loud din as they try to break into food containers as well.

However, the vocalizations and tree-shaking are at least characteristic of squatchy behavior. But with so little else to go on, there is nothing resolved here, leaving many unanswered questions. This is not necessarily a bad thing because the incident remains open-ended and therefore investigatable down the road. Good luck to all!
Dudlow

Also including(according to some reports) deep-freezers, baby blankets, fine china dishes and motorcycles.

Lots of weird stuff. Even heard this happened once:

I see London, I see France.................

At first glance I thought you'd typed "I see Lyndon...."

LMAO!

Are those supposed to be boxers or briefs?

"Choners"

Athletic cut hybrid...gotta keep the Squatchy bits under control

LMAO!!

Hi, newbie here. Just curious about the spot. I've actually fished there myself in the past. Was this spot right at the narrows where the public boat launch was? Also there used to be (haven't been there in years) an Osprey nest sitting on top of a hydro pole right there as well. It looks like the spot from looking at the map.

Hi,
It might help if you report this at www.ontariosasquatch.com so We can check into it further or just add more details. I'm in the area often and will do some recon of the area next time I'm there.

So, did you have this equipment with you the second time? And did you try to use it?

The boat launch is still being used. I'm not sure if the nest is still there but they named the turnoff leading to the launch "Osprey Lane". I haven't fished there much lately either. Use to be my favorite lake but fishing has really declined. When I went back last summer, it was the first time in a few years. I would love to get my hands on a thermal camera and mount it on top of that pole.

boat launch and pole below

I did bring the night vision goggles with me, but being in the float tube, I was too low in the water to get a decent viewing angle. I tried moving to the far end of the narrows for a better view, but the built in IR light in the goggles wasn't strong enough. I also bought the digital voice recorder but that noise I heard of something metal being crushed was too faint.

If I do ever decide to return, I'll bring along a 2,000,000 million candle power spot-light along. I have a large infrared lense filter that I can attach that will produce light only the night vision can detect. It should illuminate the eyes of anything that might be lurking in the brush.

Of course, it'll be wishful thinking if I ecncounter anything during my next visit. Out of approximately 50 to 60 trips to the lake, I only experienced something odd perhaps 3 to 4 times.