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RiverRun
To me these two images + note represent a fairly obvious hoax attempt. There are a lot of things that lead me to say this. Lets ignore the anonymity of the author and just take a look at what was presented.


A closer look at the photos shows that there is concealment going on. There are some palm fronds that are placed to conceal some vital areas of the costume. There is no other explaination of the fronds to be moving along (between the two images) with the "skunk apes" face/mask as to form a nice palm frond mustache. (stylish? lol) I've made a diagram animating between the two images that show it pretty blatantly.



Poo Commander
Nice picture "RiverRun". Imho, I've always found these photos a little fishy.
twin59
A little clarification is needed in regard to the Myakka Hoax.
The "woman" did not send the photos to Loren Coleman. The photos
were sent to the Sheriff's Dept. A friend of D. Barkasy worked with Animal
Control, a part of the Sheriff's Dept., that guy showed them to Barkasy.
Barkasy then sent/showed them to Coleman.

The letter was sent from a home in an old neighborhood of Sarasota that does not have
palmetto/pine forests in the back yard. If the homes don't have palmetto woods for back yards,
then this "woman" couldn't have taken pictures of a Bigfoot in her back yard.

Come on people, an elderly woman goes outside, alone, at night armed with only a camera????
She is so close to it, yet doesn't know it is there??? Then, hears a sound and snaps off 2 clear photos.
Please.

These photos do not represent what a FL Bigfoot/Skunk Ape/Swamp Ape looks like.
Their appearance is no different than what is seen through out North America.

I investigated this as well, and determined it to be a hoax.
Bobby Orangeboom
Here's the original Letter..
Grazhopprr
Just noticed something that I haven't seen anyone talk about yet. People are concentrating on the face, and not seeing the hand in the bottom left corner of the first pic. In the second pic, the "beast" leans back in "recoil", and you can see finger tips in the flash, where the hand used to be. In the first pic, the "beast" is haunched forward, leaning on the hands, and the hand in the bottom left side of the pic, is quite visible, with wrinkles in the knuckles, and the thumb is behind the fronds. Then after the first flash it recoils back, and gets caught in the second flash, leaning back as it moves away, and you can see 2 finger tips in the flash. I don't have a good picture editor for XP yet, so I can't show the comparisons.
nipmuc man
QUOTE(MontanaDan @ Feb 20 2007, 10:24 AM) *
Lot's of controversy surrounding this one. The picture was taken in the year 2000.

Some say it is an obvious hoax, others say it is a real photo of the Florida skunk-ape, an orangutan-like version of Sasquatch. They supposedly have very long brown hair, semi-Orangutan like features and are reported to smell terribly.

These two pictures were snapped by a woman in Sarasota, FL who was concerned over an ape-like being visiting her families property nightly. One night she heard 'whoomp' sounds coming from outside and she stepped out and snapped a picture of the yard. She claims she had no idea the Ape (or animal, as I will refer to it from here) was that close,

here is the first picture



According to the woman (who remains nameless to this day) she completely surprised the animal and the first picture reflects this.



The next picture was snapped a split second after, and the ape is obviously aware of her presence, surprised, etc. and stands up before moving away. She said on this second flash she realized how tall it was (it was over 6-7 feet crouching) and she went back inside.

She took the photos and sent them to the police department asking them to look into this case of a missing orangutan. She wanted to inform them that there was some kind of ape on the loose and she was worried about her safety. The photos were passed around the police department as a joke for a while, and nobody looked into it seriously. She then sent the photo to Loren Coleman (Bigfoot and Crypto enthusiast/author) who pretty much made the photo famous. To this day he is the one who investigated into the picture and has examined it with other professionals.

Key points

1) The animal is startled in the first picture and there is extreme flashback (reflection) from the eyes. Coleman and a researcher who was in contact with him during this research theorized that the pupils in the animals eyes were dilated in the first pic and

2) The pupils SHRINK in the second photo. They refract only half as much light, and the creature stands up in this photo to reveal its teeth. Another researcher (I believe a primatologist?) called Coleman to talk about this feature. It is common among apes to reveal both sets of teeth this way when in 'extreme fear or anger'.

To this day the Myakka Ape photos are controversial and well known. Almost EVERYONE dismisses it as a hoax, but as I have read how the case was investigated... I'm curious. This looks like a hoax only because it is so incredibly close. It is a stereotypical 'moneyshot' of a Sasquatch, except this is a Florida Skunk Ape variety and the 'money shot' was never sold! Only reported to the police.

If it hadn't been for the research of others into this photo I wouldn't have any reason to believe it was a valid print. Now I am more inclined to believe that the reason this picture looks too good to be true is because it may be a real Florida Skunk Ape.

Is this really what Floridians see when they sight a skunk ape? I believe I'll ask creekfreak, as he had a daylight sighting of a skunk-ape which he described having long brown hair and giving him a 'face' of surprise when he saw it.

And of course I would be remiss not to give the link to LorenColemans investigation. http://www.lorencoleman.com/myakka.html

Some real conclusions can be drawn from this photo should it be authentic...


i dont much anything but those canine teeth look a little too sharp for a primate. secondly, while the posture of the animals did move, it didnt move alot, you would think it would have moved quite significantly, and thirdly, what is that woman doing that close to the animals, the woman obviously didint move based on the photos and she looks pretty damn close.

i have a nice camera and if there photos are digital, it takes a bit of time to save the photos and retake another picture, plenty of time for any creature even froozen in fear to move a bit more than what these photos are showing. i have a shitty digital camera and it still takes a bit of time to save and do its thing and be able to take another picutre. so im assuming she used a 5 photo option where some cameras take multiple photographs, something like 5 or 8 photos(i tihnk) withing .8 - 1.5 seconds of each other.. if so, where are the other photos, no way in hell if the ape only moved its head 8 inches upwards that there wouldnt be a pic of this thing running away. and why would she remain anonymous?? to not be questioned? you would think the ridiculing of seeeing bigfoot is over and done with, anyone whos got footage of bigfoot would come clean and show it if it was legit.

there isnt much of an outline and the entire body of the figure seems to stay in the same shape even tho it moved.
GrapeApe
I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread but.....Hi all!
When I looked closely at these photos, I am pretty sure that I see a hand behind the palmetto that is holding the fronds in front of the face. This is behavior that has been attributed lately to BF behavior by some people. At least, what I've seen in some YouTube videos recently (video/still analysis by joeblack1963 I think). If that is true then, according to some of the posts on this thread, this creature would have three hands! Obviously, that would suggest that one of the other hands is, as someone else suggested, in fact, a foot. I don't know for sure, it is just what I saw in the photos. Anyone else see it? If so, how does that change your analysis/interpretation of the photos?
GrapeApe
bigfootreflects
I am new to this forum and I wasn't sure where to post this, but there is a documentary Bigfoot's Reflection that has a new Facebook fan page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bigfoots-Ref...04912393?ref=ts

I am trying to organize discussion with some of Bigfoot's leading biologists, field researchers, zoo cryptologist, but in order to do that I would need more fans. A lot of interesting stuff coming up and I hope you will join.

Sorry if this is off topic.
nooneimportant
Animals go from stop to GO right now. Hesitation just is not in the cards.



Time to eat.




Time to go.




Nothing I could detect had spooked that deer. Had I not been snapping away I would have missed it.
I think she just lost sight of the others and the switch went to GO.

Compare that to the photos here and draw your own conclusions.

NOI
Montana_Dan
Bump for an incredible photo.
bigfutbol
Nice pics of the deer. That is what I call "GO!".

On Myakka....

I feel the photos are fake, but have trouble piecing it together.

First: The green mustache. What the... it looks designed to hide a fault. It looks glued on. It looks plastic. Its too shiny. The shade of green is wrong. The texture is wrong. But, maybe it has been chewed a little, got wet, and hence a little sticky and wet and darker? Still, seems HIGHLY improbable. Completely hides the upper teeth and lip.

Second: The eye shine. While it could be reflectors behind a mask, it would seem unlikely that hoaxers would think to make the 2nd shot have less shine, as if the pupils had narrowed. Maybe it was just luck. Or, maybe they did think of it.

Third: Flatness. When I first saw these, I thought "cutout". The do look suspiciously flat. Oddly, the only thing in the photo that doesn't look flat is the glued-on-looking green mustache. The two photos are definitely different, so it would have to be two cutouts. With the same green mustache glue on each. Eye shine would be easier to duplicate, and easier to make the 2nd shot's shine smaller - smaller holes in the cutout.

Fourth: The green leaf in the right hand (left side of photo). The one that moves up and down between photos. It looks seriously artificial or photoshopped, or if cutouts, airbrushed. The color is way too uniform.

Fifth: The muzzle. The mustache (and the hidden top teeth) are much closer to the eyes in the second photo. The nose is basically gone. That would would be expected from prognathous jaws, such as an orangutan, when rotated up. This means it can't be a single cutout. This could mean there was something in the backyard for real, or there was some sort of 3-D model built, or two photos of the head, mounted to the same cutout.

Sixth: The teeth. Do not match great apes or human, or what most here would expect. Yes, there are some big canines on some orangutans, but not that narrow and sharp.

Seventh: Arm length. Crazy long arms. What is that, about 8x the head height?

Eighth: Profile. The general body shape does not change, hardly at all, even though the head and arms are raised a lot. That doesn't seem realistic.

If this is real creature, it looks almost identical to an orangutan, except is has mountain lion teeth, crazy-long arms, isn't the right color, can move in pretty odd ways, and just so happened that the only time it ever gets photo'ed, has something green stuck in its teeth. Big and green. So big it happened to hide about 1/4 of its face.

I think it was a model. Say that the flatness was just the effect of flash at night. After the first photo, they moved the head up and back and rotated it back, left the green mustache in place, moved the hands, including a plastic leaf in its left hand. But didn't move the body. Fake set of teeth didn't fit in the mask well at the top of the mouth, so it required the mustache. Put reflectors in the eye-holes of the mask. Got lucky on the 2nd photo's shine being smaller.

My $0.02 on an old story.

bigfutbol
Ok, not identical to an orangutan. More similar to it than any other known ape.

I think I see traces of a hairless disc around the face, partly hidden by the shadows.

Too gray, but not all are bright red.

I still think, bad model, built on a bad figure, with generic gray fake fur, and a bad ape mask.

Hmm...

Orangutan head more similar to MA, in shape, not color

Planet of the Apes orangutan-like mask
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