Bob can you put red dots where you see the eyes, and post that up if you have a chance? Mine have gone cross eyed trying to see what you're explaining...lol

BTW Sangarin looks like a good candidate for BF...human enough you wouldn't shoot him if you had a gun, he has the wide nose often reported, but not like an ape, yet definitely apelike features to his face, maybe with fuller lips though as I seem to recall having heard that described...a pretty good artists interpretation

Sounds like he was using gross hair morphology. This method is the one that Fahrenbach uses. It is not that exact of a science (relies on a lot of subjective analysis) and is certainly open to many criticisms about its accuracy.

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I gave him a red eye glow. That was fun but I'm not sure how accurate it was.

Looks like a bat with white nose syndrome to me.

Ok, when i look at this, the red eye looks too much like something form aliens, and the movements were too odd.

It makes more sense to me if you think of it a being a zoomed in on the face. Your centermost red eye dot is basicly over one of the nostrils, the other one is just below one of the eye sockets, and the side of the face is partially obscured by a leaf or something. the two dark patches become the outer edges of the eye sockets, and the movement it a slight turning of the head while munching on a leaf. The triangular white patches to the left are leaves or something. You can even see a hint of ear in one part at the upper right of the picture as the head move forward.
If you look at it that way, the face looks very simian/chimp like, and the images suddenly make sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeH_pC366xk
compare *just the head* of this chimp up to about 15 secs with the video, the angle and everything appears to be the very similar .

Am I nuts??

are you sure that's a shoulder? The proportions look off, the neck seems too long or something, however, if its his ass:
http://www.wildlife-magnets.com/prodimages...ain_gorilla.jpg

It all makes sense.

I am seeing it look rather like the picture at this link with the head looking down a bit more. It is a bit longer front to back than we are used to. I didn't quite follow what you meant. The googly eyed look was because it was hard to locate the eye exactly. I didn't really try to make it consistent. It was just to show how I saw it.

I can't discern the face as indicated, unless this thing looks like Curse of the Bigfoot







If it is the back, then to me it looks similiar to the pic of a gorilla in the NASI report -





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I still think were looking at it different ways. The issue I'm having, is at first, I saw the version like you did, with the eyes about where you put the dots. Once I stared at the original enough, it shifted in my perspective, almost like looking at one of those 3d magic eye images, and now when i look, it looks exactly like just the face area of a gorilla eating leaves, and now i cant NOT see it that way. Ill see if i can find a picture that mimics it exactly.

OK, I think this one:

is a rough approximation of how your looking at it. Looking down wards, seeing head and shoulder, and a small white cheeked mouth taking bites out of the leaf in the lower right corner, sort of down where the signature is, correct?

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This is what I'm seeing. Almost exactly, even to where its cut off at the top. His lower jaw is moving as if chewing, and the face turns to its right and up and back again, sometimes exposing an ear just like in this picture. The eyes and nostrils look a little wider. There is a White thing along his jaw,(leaf or tuber?) I put the red dots approximately where yours were appearing in the gif. The thing that's killing me, is if you look at it like you have the eyes dotted in, like I think everyone is, it looks weird, and freaky, it might be an elongated head moving in an odd disjointed jumpy fashion. When my perception shifted, I'm seeing a startlingly obvious, completely natural view of an ape of some kind, with a big leaf hanging over his eyes, simply chewing, looking like all the vids I've ever seen on discovery channel.

What the hell, as long as I've got the photo shop out:

For those who are having a hard time picking out the face, I have pasted a gorilla face on at approximately the right area. The part that isn't pasted on is thought to be leaves behind the head, not necessarily a crest or something. When i have seen clips of the video that are floating around, there is just enough of a hint of movement there to be startling once you look at the right spot. Again, its a little like one of those magic eye things, once you see what everyone means, you cant NOT see the primate looking face right there.

Original from earlier in the thread. Photo shopped gorilla face on top.
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(This is *not enhanced*, this is *faked* with a gorilla face i pasted in, just to be really clear.)



Where i got the gorilla face.
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Very similar peeping picture.

I can see what you mean. I had to watch it for a while. It is actually kind of scary looking. It is frightening how the brain can interpret an image. It is still much easier for me to see it with that odd white cheekbone and mouth. I don't think the leaves make sense since they are moving with the "head'? Pretty freaky though. Thanks for pointing it out.

George42 and Bob, I appreciate your guys attempt at trying to locate the eyes and/or face more specifically.

However, I know where they are/were since I was there and looked at them for approx. 10 minutes.

I've screen captured the part of the still that has one eye fully being shown.

The small photo to the left is where the creature's right eye is in the darkness (its right eye...on the left to the viewer) right next to the thin stick that is angled at about 60 degrees. A tiny, tiny bit of its left eye can also be seen.

Yetifan,

George42 has it pretty close in his post #60 don't you think, maybe just a tad larger an higher, but pretty close.

George42,

As for post #59, you're seein' somethin' completely different than I'm seein'. In your 3rd image from the left, you have white thing marked down twice. I believe the lower white thing you have pointed to is actually the mouth. In all honesty, to me, it looks like the teeth, possibly that nervouse or agitated smile common with primates(includein' ourselves) an described in a number of reports. The top of the head is located towards the upper left corner, mouth/lower jaw towards the bottom right. Kinda like a football angled to the left. Notice what I believe to be the teeth, as the head turns to the right (left on image), the mouth moves towards the center of image, subject filmed appears to be lookin' right into the camera, upper head/sagittal crest moves accordingly.
This is just my humble opinion of what I see. I have always found this particular piece very interestin'.

My Best ! Pat...

P. Benton wrote:





In the general placement, yes. I would say the superimposed gorilla head is about 2-3 times bigger than what was back in there.

Yetifan,

I agree. What about my other observations regardin' the other piece of video ?

Pat...

ps; it's Beaton...for the record, ha ! ha !

The white thing, yeah, its in there twice, I don't know what it is, but it seems to be a single light object with a darker band being held up against his lower jaw, the band around the middle could be a hand holding it, but it looks too small. If it were a video of a human I'd describe it as a child's hand holding a toy phone headset up to mom/dads head. I don't think its connected to the leaf/whatever that's blocking his face, but could be, they don't quite move in unison.

And maybe I'm wrong about how my brain is interpreting the video, but when I look at it the way you're describing, I do see exactly what you're talking about, but its kind of freaky, jumpy and threatening with teeth, and kinda has funky chipmunk cheeks or something. When I shift my view to my way, it looks JUST like that picture i posted, only moving naturally, and chewing something. I was looking at it the other way for a couple of weeks, and then I realized what i was seeing, and bam. It still bugs me how it clicks into place. Or my brain melted.

Does anyone have this clip in mpeg or anything other than gif? I have some stabilization software Id like to try on it.



Oh, yeah, that one, I just threw that in there because I was reading about people not being able to figure out what they were seeing with the lines and everything earlier in the thread, it was just meant to give them an idea of what folks were trying to point out. Like I said, I had photoshop open already.

Great work guys This is one of my favorite videos from when I first saw it in '94

Hey guys! Seems to be a pretty inactive thread.....but I have a photo taken from here that I touched up and highlighted the figure in question. I think it is very compelling but there was alot to look at in this photo. When I first looked at it, it took awhile to see what Scott was talking about and the image directly above the one he was pointing out definitly looked like another face to me. Also, in the background, part of the image seems to be a very alien looking face (maybe even reptilian). Now, don't get me wrong, I think it is just parts of the background that happen to "line up" in such a way as to look like some kind of face but the one over the face in question....well, I don't know. Anyway, here's the photo again with the enhancements that I did. Maybe it clears it up alittle.
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I'm still struggling to see it to be honest, maybe another day will be different but today i'm not seeing it...

It's weird, i've probabably looked at this Footage, & Stills of it, approaching 100 times & sometimes i think i'm looking in the right area, sometimes i think i can see a Face, sometimes i've been ecstatic at what i'm looking at but today, with what you've highlighted there GA, i can't seem to see anything at all..

Or can you clearly see Black hair with the Sun on it, where you've highlighted, bang in the middle of the Circle ??

The arrow at the top of the Circle is pointing towards the forehead kind of area with the white blurry part above the Circle being the Sag Crest ??

If so, i can't see how the Facial area what i'm looking at ( i may be wrong but don't think so with the Circle you've highlighted ), with the Black Hair plainly visible with the Sun on it, is in proportion to the Sag Crest, at all, & even off centre of where a " Face " should be positioned...

Hey Bobby!
Yeah, I know, it's a very "busy" photo. Just ignore the arrow, that wasn't from me. The face is undr that, look for two parallel sticks, one thicker than the other, diagonally situated in the left side of the highlighted area. The left most stick forms a border for the right side face. The larger one intersects the face off center of the eyes and passes almost directly over the nose (some of the nose and the left eye are seen to the viewer's right of the thicker stick). The "hairline" leading to the ear are seen almost directly to the right of the figure's left eye. Hope that helps.

Yeah it does GA but not a great deal to be honest, still struggling to see anything even resembling a Face unfortunately.