It looks like a child wearing a hat and jacket. The woman leaving the pancakes out looked more like a sasquatch to me.

Another notch in the belt of blobsquatchery.

This is just too much for words!

Although MM isn't the "mystery man," MM should definitely get credit for his involvement. He was there when the pancake footage was taken (he's actually in the beginning of the film setting up the camera, etc.). I guess MM non-disclosure statement didn't protect much of anything, did it?

So, I wonder if it came down to a MM/Biscardi smack down, who would win??? I guess it would depend on who eat the most pancakes.... :wink:

If this is a sasquatch, then it's a little bugger. I superimposed these stills to get a better idea of the size and position of the alleged bigfoot when it goes for the pancakes. Is this thing crawling on the ground, and up on its knees to eat the cakes? We never get to see the legs, but yet again we only have stills of unknown quality relative to the original video footage. The arms appear to be just that, arms not legs making this unlikely to be a bear and more likely to be something bipedal. Its girth seems pretty unimpressive next to its big noggin (with hat?), which gives me the impression its a juvenile. Judging from the woman's appearance (is she wearing a hoodie?) these images suffer from low light level distortion as well. In the end, these stills are certainly inconclusive, regardless of the conspiratorial back-story.

That "bigfoot" has body proportions remarkably similar to a short, buxom human woman.

An anorexic bigfoot wearing a turban??? :doh:

This is what I don't get...if they have a knew they are going to film a bigfoot, why do they use crappy camera's with low res? If I knew I was going to film a BF, I would get a damn good camera. Of course that brings us to this question. Maybe they knew it was crap and didn't want other people to see what really was going on.

Just a thought.....

That "bigfoot" has body proportions remarkably similar to a short, buxom human woman.

An anorexic bigfoot wearing a turban??? :doh:

There has been talk on and off about the so called ORV (or bigfoot eating pancakes) video for quite some time now. While several people inside and out of the BFRO have seen the film it has never been made available to the public at large.

However Loren Coleman has posted stills from the video on his blog. For anyone wanting to take a gander you can view the blog page right here.

Interesting that this is indeed the video that none other than Tom Biscardi and crew were making mention of recently. Perhaps if they were like some of us and had seen it already they could have saved some gas money.
(Note to Mods - Posted here versus the Media forum due to dealing with the ORV video and not the Cryptomundo article itself.)

Ninja edit to add still image.

However Loren Coleman has posted stills from the video on his blog. For anyone wanting to take a gander you can view the blog page right here.

Which leads people to wonder Moneymaker's sincerity to the search.

OK Sam, don't blame Loren. It was I who posted the stills.

Is there any kind of copywrite on the video?
If not...it's not hard to come bye...

This is the most rediculous piece of crap I have ever seen........This thread should never have been started with something as silly as this..........And just think, someone, somewhere actually BELIEVES this to be an authentic piece of evidence to support the existance of Bigfoot! Let's analyze, just so we ALL feel a part of it.....We go to Wal-Mart, buy the cheapest piece of crap camera that they have to offer, set it up in a very dark place 50 yards from the subject in question, set out pancakes? THEN, get Ralph in here wearing a hooded sweatshirt, crawl upon his knees and pretend to eat the pancakes.......yeah, yeah that will work, EVERYONE will believe us!

To all members,

It is important that you ALL are aware of what is and has been going on in this group. Over the past two weeks there has been a group of Curators (myself included) discussing off list via email the need for changes in the direction of this organization. The group's efforts were prompted by serious concerns regarding the leadership decisions and priorities of Matt Moneymaker. The intent of the group was to salvage a declining public and research community image of the BFRO and cement some policies that would ultimately maintain the integrity of the research aspect of the organization. This discussion was generated by Curators who believed in the "only scientific organization..." aspect of the group and wished it to continue. Their focus is research. Members of this long-standing Curators group (who have been around nearly from the beginning of the BFRO) were participating in this endeavor as a last ditch effort to save something they once believed in. The idea basically was, if some positive changes are not made, then many would leave the group. This was not presented as an ultimatum, but was discussed among this group of Curators, subsequently demonstrating where so many of us were in our frustration with the current BFRO.

There were some truly fine discussions, ideas, and suggestions put forth by this group of remarkable professionals, (myself at the lower end of that totem pole) : ) There was a draft proposal of what should be presented to Matt, and we were just this week in the process of recommending some final touches to the document. But, some factors arose that threw a wrench in the process.
Number ONE: this offlist discussion was meant to be a forum for the Curators to discuss candidly their thoughts and concerns without the ever-watchful eyes and ears of Matt threatening a dismissal from the group. It was thought that the Curators needed this freedom to discuss legitimate concerns. PROBLEM: One or two Curators mentioned some of the on-going discussion with Matt. We still do not know exactly who or why, but it broke the camel's back of the group. Nonetheless, we continued to work towards finalizing a draft, because the needs of the ORGANIZATION were that important to us.
Number TWO: Some discussions became quite frank and direct and there was question of integrity and trust, and ultimately the discussion became heated. Nothing like Gregg Clay, as this was a group of professionals, but differences of opinion were very clear. PROBLEM: It is vitally important that you know that as of this morning, two of the Curators truly sponsoring this entire Curator discussion WERE DEMOTED TO VOLUNTEERS and BLOCKED FROM THEIR ACCESS TO flats !!

These Curators were Theo Stein and Reid Nelson, both outstanding members of the BFRO for nearly a decade!! Apparently, they 'rocked the boat' just a little too much. Apparently, they challenged the "institution" a little too agressively. And so, in their efforts to instill truly positive and lasting change in the BFRO (as viewed by this Curators discussion group - well, most of them) , they got KICKED OUT. You will note that Julie Davis just resigned as well, and from what I gather, as a direct result of this dastardly action.

It has now become apparent that Matt and his camp of blind followers are not willing to listen to rational thought, discussion, nor suggestions, even from his supposedly most trusted and knowledgeable "colleagues", the Curators. This is an "all or nothing" approach to leadership. In other words, it's a dictatorship, or a tyranny. We are mere peasants, many of you working your tails off, VOLUNTEERING your own time and money, and yet not having a VOICE in any aspect of BFRO policy or direction. All your efforts, all your reports, all your investigations, used to mean something. We were part of a unified organization that promoted the scientific study of this phenomenon. That is now in the past.

Matt has become consumed with the financial gain he garners from the success of the BFRO. That is gain from YOU, from YOUR efforts in making this organization so popular and known. YOU discover actual video from a witness, Matt works a deal and gets the rights to the video. Does anyone see it? Where have all the videos gone? Do YOU get a percentage? And when the videos do MAYBE come out for sale, where does the money go? MATT. ONLY Matt. Does the money buy any research equipment for ORGANIZATIONAL use? For YOUR use in the field, as you put in multiple hours of time. How about a little FUEL or PHONE bill reimbursement? Nah, we're VOLUNTEERS. We do this because we love it. Yes, we do. But, let's take it a step further. NOW, if we don't "work" our reports and get off our volunteer ass and make more phone calls, we LOSE our privileges to continue this research. Amazing. So, just a recap: If I'm not busting MY butt, spending MYown hard-earned money in the little free time I have at home, contributing to Matt's success and furthering his financial gain, I get my little privileges taken away. Gah... does this make any sense? Not to me. Not anymore.

But, since I'm talking about money, does anyone know where any of the money goes from the Expeditions? I know several Curators, most of them now FORMER Curators, (hmm...), who were promised a stipend for researching, scouting and organizing locations for their area expeditions. Surprisingly, they didn't see a penny. And the latest affront? The BFRO members were asked to PAY Kathy Moskowitz and Bob Strain for their efforts in preparation for the Sierra Expedition. Apparently, Matt doesn't earn enough money from the paying participants? He has now compromised the guarantee that all BFRO folks can attend expeditions for free. I whole-heartedly agree that Kathy and Bob deserve financial compensation for their efforts in preparing a commercial expedition. But, that should come from Matt's take, not our own VOLUNTEER pockets, as we're already paying an arm and leg in our own transportation costs just to get there. And, curiously, where are Bob and Kathy now?? Why, THEY BOTH GOT BOOTED from the BFRO. Not a word from Matt, no courtesy call, no explanation, just BAM! Expelled from FLATS and BFRO entirely. I have here a quote from Kathy when I asked her what happened:

"I was hoping you knew! I have no idea why Bob and I were kicked out. Matt didn't call or email us or anything. We just weren't in the BFRO anymore. I kind of thought it had something to do with Gregg Clay. He doesn't like me (or anyone) very much and called me a "troublemaker" for trying to make changes within the BFRO. Kevin Withers said that all Matt would say is that I had a different agenda for the BFRO than he did....which is correct. I want the BFRO to be successful....LOL!"

Matt has lost nearly all of the long-time Curators who had been here building this organization from the beginning. Many of them left by choice because of Matt's actions and many of them received a thankless boot out the door for questioning Matt's intent. It is a long, hard, and sad truth, folks.

The overlying issue of all the frustrations, concerns, and questions boil down to two words: Character and Ethics. If you talk to any former BFRO Curator or long-term Investigator, this is generally what is mentioned in discussion about the BFRO. These and many, many other independent researchers, (I'm talking about respectable, veteran researchers in this community) all raise their eyebrows or shake their heads or scoff at the BFRO. Any of you new folks see that reaction from others when you attend bigfoot conferences? It has come to a point with me that I no longer mention my affiliation with the BFRO to other researchers. I don't want them to view me in a tainted perspective, because that's what they do. And the reason? The BFRO is Matt and Matt is the BFRO. The rest of are legion... faceless, nameless minions. And we are guilty by association.

Gregg Clay's outburst last month was absolutely unprofessional, completely tactless in delivery. However, if you recall just a few weeks prior to that tirade, Matt sent the group this email:


"RE : KY

We all owe a deep debt of gratitude to Gregg Clay (Investigator - KY) and Adrian Erickson (Investigator - BC).

In between his family responsibilities and his environmental surveying job, Gregg Clay has repeatedly made the hour long drive to the property and consistently handled the owners with great style and finesse.


Matt "

And if I recall, Gregg was defending Matt and hacking at the rest of the membership? So, what did happen to change both of their minds? Suddenly, Gregg accuses Matt of misappropriation of funds and completely alienating the witnesses, and Matt counters (via Kevin Withers) that Gregg suddenly "has no credibility"???? If I were you, I would seriously question the events of the last days of the ORV situation. I recall KC Charnes asking Adrian about the $20,000, and we have seen no direct response to that request. To those of us who have been around long enough, who have talked to others with similar experiences, it only made perfect sense that what Gregg stated was the truth. The quality of the "Gregg Clay tirade" was one thing, but the CONTENT is an entirely different matter. I would be worried...

You have probably now seen from Reid Nelson, a general corroboration of what I have written here. And as Reid clearly stated, all of us will be the victims of some type of smear effort by Matt, or his camp of blind followers. Our credibility and/or integrity will be brought into question and the masses can again bury their heads in the sand, assured that the problems of which we spoke of course cannot be true. Matt walks on water, as he is the founder of the BFRO. What he says must be the truth...

Mark my words: You will see an exodus of Curators and probably some Investigators as well. I am now included in that group. I am hereby tending my resignation from the BFRO as well, effective immediately. The relationship at one point had been one I thoroughly enjoyed, one that began with the initial "infatuation" stage, like a new romance. It was all so new and exciting. And it seemed it WAS about research. As time wore on, the priority changed in the leadership, and with it the group's integrity and reputation. Quite frankly, that is something I will subject myself to no longer. Those of you who are new and excited about your membership, watch carefully where you step and what you say. And try to hold on to your love of what you do here. May it not get tainted by the future direction of the BFRO.

I believe INDEPENDENT researchers have the ideal perspective. You will find that the majority of independent researchers out there thrive on the COMMUNITY ASPECT of their community. They share information with each other. They sit and have dinner together and talk about their experiences. The call across the country and discuss ideas. They laugh and joke with each other. They respect each other, and respect differences of opinion. And they are not in it for the money. Something to certainly think about.

Now, my final comments are from personal experience. This experience brings into question exactly the character and ethics that I previously mentioned. I think it is significantly important that you are aware that the DIRECTOR/LEADER of the "only scientific organzation... blah blah blah" actually directed the perpetration of a hoax upon me and my former partner, Autumn Williams. Very shortly after the news got out that she and I were involved, including sharing a house, Autumn received an email from one Kevin Jones, (BFRO investigator - WA) claiming that he had acquired some lengthy video footage of three sasquatch. I saw this email with my own two eyes. I recognized Kevin's email address, and wondered... what the hell? Later, I was informed by a Curator that he had been told directly by Matt that he (Matt) did in fact direct Kevin to perpetrate this hoax upon an unsuspecting Kelly and Autumn. (Granted, there was more to the story. Unusual circumstances brought about questions regarding the confidentiality of my FLATS access, and consequently it was suspended until I was able to talk to Matt directly. We worked out those issues, realized it was a misunderstanding and lack of communication, and everything was fine. During the middle of all that however, is when the hoax email arrived.) I was dumbfounded. The director of the leading BF research group was perpetrating a hoax on another prominent researcher as well as a trusted colleague?!? A Curator, nonetheless... That's when I was slapped with reality folks. I would have expected a little more professionalism.

Well, 'nuff said. It's time for me to terminate this relationship. I have made some great friends and acquaintances during my time here and I assure you my feelings towards you have not changed, nor will they. I'd love to see you in the field some time or at the next big conference. This particular chapter however, must close.


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QUOTE (Matt M)


>
>
>
> No, it wasn't a mistake.
>
> Well ... actually the mistake was not noticing that
> third email account
> he still had on the Curators list. I just removed
> that as well.
>
> I removed John from the group. John would use
> Montra's login, so I had
> to remove her as well. Nothing personal against
> Montra, but they share
> a computer.
>
> For the past few weeks John has been calling various
> people in the
> group and encouraging them to resign from the group,
> mainly because he,
> personally, doesn't want to have to sign a
> non-disclosure agreement.
>
> Of course, I heard all about these phone calls. John
> was apparently on
> a rampage of sorts, saying all sorts of crap.
>
> Gee, I wonder why he so fervently doesn't want to
> sign a non-disclosure
> agreement?? Perhaps he had been planning to
> disclose a lot of
> information that he had agreed would remain
> confidential.
>
> He also wanted to be able to eject people from the
> group whenever his
> anger got out of control. He would do that whenever
> he would have a
> difference of opinion with someone.
>
> You, Kathy, and Kathy Harper, among others, probably
> would have been
> ejected by Frietas by now if he had that authority.
>
> The NDA agreement will protect everyone in the
> group, in terms of
> information disclosure about their research, etc. I
> explained this to
> Frietas clearly by phone two weeks ago. He
> understood what it covered,
> and what it didn't -- it didn't cover his own
> research and writings, it
> only covered other members' emails, writings, and
> information about
> their work, etc., unless those people gave him
> explicit permission to
> quote them, or disclose anything about them. >
> I think that's pretty fair, and actually helps
> maintain trust among us.
> >
> John's counter argument was ridiculous and obviously
> not his real
> reason. He kept saying "it shows that you don't
> trust us". Of course,
> that's what he was telling everyone he was calling.
> He had to make it
> sound as inflamatory as possible.
>
> I asked Frietas if he trusted everyone else in the
> group. He said "hell
> no". I said, "that's my point, people need to know
> they are protected
> from disclosure by other members." He ran out of
> excuses and simply
> said he wasn't going to sign it. It was obvious to
> both of us that he
> wasn't being honest about his objections to a
> non-disclosure.
>
> Then he was calling other Curators, etc., within a
> few minutes of that
> conversation, encouraging them to leave the group
> and to start up
> something else ...
>
> Anyone who doesn't want to sign an agreement that
> commits them to the
> informal agreements they made when they joined the
> group, obviously has
> plans to screw people over in the future. >
> Matt


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QUOTE (Gregg Clay 7/26/05)


There already is a self appointed ad hoc board of directors. They know who they are, but refuse to acknowledge that they are indeed part of the problem. These people would rather spend their time protecting their fragile egos, breaking their arms patting themselves on the back, and making Matt's life UNMITIGATED HELL!, as opposed to getting their shoes dirty looking for a Sasquatch.
Matt is now the final word in the BFRO. He does not require a committee to make a decision. The political horse s**t and underhandedness brought forth by those previously mentioned is what is holding this group back. Especially those of you who talk trash about Matt and the BFRO on the BFF under assumed names. Again, you know who you are. Very professional I might add! My suggestion is if you don't like what the BFRO is becoming (The foremost authority on the Sasquatch) then resign and go elsewhere. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. And bye the way, GOOD LUCK, you will most certainly need it!

If you are wondering why I am venting my feelings here and now it is because since Matt has been in Kentucky I have seen these neurotic individuals distract Matt from the work at hand to the point that the whole project has been put at risk several times. I will not stand by and let a few foolish and selfish idiots blow the deal. It just is not going to happen.

In the few weeks I have been working on this project I have personally spent hundreds of hours and a couple thousand dollars of my own money on equipment, gas, outrageous cell phone bills and misc. expenses, not to mention the several thousands of dollars and countless hours Matt has spent. Stan and David, your time and and expense is noted as well.

What is going on with the ORV footage is one of the best opportunities anyone will have to obtain quality, indisputable footage of a Sasquatch. What this footage has is the potential to do is capture the attention of top scientist and key organizations that can not only prove, but help the BFRO protect and understand this magnificent animal. When you see a Sasquatch up close like I have had the privilege of doing, only then will you understand what we are truly dealing with.

Almost every day we learn something new about this animal. No theories and no guessing at what may or may not be true, just plain facts. What is going on here in Kentucky and potentially in other places is what the BFRO is all about...RESEARCH!
Those of you that so quickly attacked me when the ORV footage came to light need to consider this. How many other situations like this have you completely discounted as romanticism or hoaxes? How many opportunities have you let slip through your hands while pillaging away golden opportunities for the BFRO and yourself.
I will patiently await your apologies with low expectations. Low expectations because I truly feel those of you who attacked me and even went as far as to try to have me removed from the BFRO because you are selfish and jealous lack the character to do the right thing.

Gregg Clay
Kentucky


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QUOTE (Matt M. on July 27 @ 2005)
We got surveillance footage last night in Kentucky!


The squatch came into view of the day/night surveillance camera at
11:16:58 PM and stayed in view for a minute or two. It reached over an
earthen berm and picked up a paper plate with pancakes and syrup, then
sat on the berm with its back to the camera, ate the pancakes, then
licked its fingers on both hands before getting up and stepping away
into the darkness.

Only the upper part of its body is visible in the footage. The lower
part of the body is behind the berm.

It's the real deal, and we're likely to get a lot more of it from this
location.

It's a slow, cautiously moving animal. It has an easy-going, gentle
manner to its movements. It is facing the camera at first but its
facial features are not distinguishable due to the lighting.

It is night surveillance footage with IR illumination (940nm), so it is
black and white and dimly lit, but you can see what it is, and you can
see its the same squatch they videotaped in daylight a month before
with a camcorder. It's definitely not a guy in a costume.

The lady will leave out food today before sundown, so we can hopefully
get some color daylight footage before I leave here. The critter
usually shows up about 15-30 minutes after she puts out the pancakes,
even if it's still light out.

We'll be adding another camera today, to record it from a different
angle, and we'll add two more infrared illuminators. We'll be tweaking
things to get a better image. At this stage it does look as though
we'll get several clips from here.

Note this: Apparently they cannot see 940 nanometer infrared
illuminators. When you see the footage you will likely agree with that
contention.

Matt


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QUOTE (Gregg Clay 8/3/05)


Dear BFRO Friends and Others,

Effective immediately I am resigning from the BFRO. But before I go
gently into that good night I think it is only fair that everyone
understands why I am leaving, and more importantly what the BFRO and
Matt Moneymaker are all about.

About three weeks ago when Matt called and asked me to get permission
for him to come to the ORV site I thought it was an opportunity to
advance the project. I could not have been more wrong.

Little did I know that Matt already had his airline ticket, his rental
car and hotel had been reserved? In short he was coming regardless if
he was welcome there or not. How arrogant. My problems were only
beginning.

When Matt arrived his focus was not on the Ohio River Valley Footage.
His focus was on what he was being paid to be in Kentucky. Let me
say that again. Matt's focus was on what he was being paid to be in
Kentucky and taking people's money for upcoming expeditions. More
about Matt being paid in a minute.

The entire time Matt was on the ORV site he acted like a complete
JACKASS. I don't think he could have been more rude or more arrogant.
The STUPID SON OF A BITCH never said "please" when he wanted
something. He never said "thank you" when something was done for him.
The ARROGANT BASTARD just walked into these people's home without
knocking once. To say that Matt made himself at home would be a gross
understatement. Matt would schedule times to meet with the property
owners then not show up or be extremely late and never call. When
Matt was invited to dinner, not only did he not show up; he didn't
even have the common decency to call.

Each time Matt would be kicked off/banded from the property he would
call me and say that I had to get him back on the property. In other
words Matt screwed up, but it was not his fault, it was the property
owners who were being difficult, and he was looking to me to fix the
problem. This happened almost on a daily basis. The situation became
so bad I had to stop answering my phone for a day and a half simply
because I could not deal with Matt's selfishness and arrogance.

Matt was told not to go onto certain areas of the property and when no
one was watching he would do exactly what he was told not to do and
piss-off the property owners off still again.

At this point Matt was irreversibly banded from the property until
they found out that Adrian was coming into town.

The attraction of Adrian was not only was he a person with
considerable financial means, but Adrian is a world class hunter who
has successfully hunted just about everything that walks, crawls,
flies or swims and has the photographs to prove it, and that was
something in which the husband was interested. So Matt was allowed
back on the property only if Adrian or I were present.

Matt, great way to build a trusting relationship with two very
important witnesses, you STUPID ASS!

Finally Matt left and everyone breathed a sigh of relief.

Back to Matt being paid. Adrian gave Matt $20,000 to come to Kentucky
and set up a state of the art surveillance system. Allow me to give
you a breakdown on how Adrian's money was spent:

At the most Matt spent $2000 on two marginal cameras, a DVR, and misc.
accessories.
Maybe $1000 for a last minute airline ticket.
About $2000 for hotel, rental car and food.

Matt spent $5000 on the trip and marginal equipment and put $15000 in
his greedy little pockets.

The system Matt set up had such poor picture quality that unless you
know what you are looking at you are at a loss for what is on the
film. Yeah Matt, that is definitive proof! This surveillance system
of Matt's might be suitable for a McDonald's to keep the garbage cans
from being knocked over in a well lit parking lot.

Hey Matt, are you in this to prove that Sasquatches are real or are
you in it for the money? Allow me to answer for you since you have a
problem telling the truth.

IT IS FOR THE MONEY!!!!!!!!! MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt, you have completely ruined a golden opportunity to gain huge
amounts of evidence that would have turned the scientific community on
its head, but because you are a GREEDY LITTLE s**t and only think of
yourself this opportunity has been lost just as it has been in the
past and just as it will be in the future.

Matt, you are not a professional. Your organization has no scientific
basis. Your are a travel agent, a tour guide. YOU ARE A FRAUD!

Bye the way. You might as well use that film contract for spare
toilet paper. Without me there is no ORV project. No more cameras,
no film, no project. It is finished! Not to mention that you are
absolutely and irrevocably banded from the ORV property by the owners.
THEY HATE YOU!!

I shipped all the equipment back to Adrian in British Columbia. Damn
you for causing me to fill out all that customs paperwork!

Matt, if you or anyone else is thinking of trying to contact or visit
the property owners think again! The property is in a rural area
guarded by two Pit Bulls, one Mastiff, and one heavily armed husband
that values his family's privacy! Need I say more?

Folks, take my advice. Matt is a FRAUD and is leading you straight
for the cliff's edge. Matt is all about money, greed, hype, and
selling those stupid trips that you can go on by yourself. The
locations are most any state or national park with the right habitat.
There is no organization, there is no leadership, and there is no
direction. YOU ARE BEING USED TO HYPE THE BIGFOOT PHENOMINOME SO MATT
CAN SELL TRIPS!

Matt of course will deny all of these accusations. If you don't
believe me, ask Adrian Erickson. He will verify everything I have
said to be true.

Consider this, Matt always has an answer for everything, an excuse for
when things go wrong, it is always someone else's fault. Is that
character? I think not. You have to be a stand up guy to have
character and Matt is always sitting on his ass.


I have taken what I wanted from FLATS, and so I will move on. The
best information is on the public BFRO site. Information collected by
hard working, honest people for the most part. STOP BEING FOOLED AND
SATOP BEING USED!

I have met some very nice people and for that I am grateful. Please
stay in touch.

As for the others like V**** L*****, ****** **** and the dearly
departed curators. SCREW YOU!

And for you Matt, f**k YOU TOO!

You and the BFRO are self-destructing and you are too stupid to
realize it.

I am grateful the last post I received from the yahoo group was Teresa
Hall's resignation. What a blessing! Just don't be so sure that she
won't be back in the next few days if not sooner. She has done this
before! What a looney tune!

This nightmare is finished!

Gregg Clay

ONWARD AND UPWARD!

Thanks BM, I didn't want to step on anyones toes. :wink:

Alien Pancakes
APRIL 18, 1961 >> EAGLE RIVER, WISCONSIN

A 60-year old plumber named Joe Simonton lived alone on the outskirts of Eagle River. He heard a noise outside his house at about 11:00 AM as he was preparing to wash his breakfast dishes. Through his window he saw a sliver object landing in his front yard. The size of it was about 12 feet by 30 feet in diameter and shaped like two inverted bowls with exhaust pipes around its rim. Simonton approached the craft as it hovered just above the ground. A hatch opened and he saw three clean-shaven men each about 5 feet tall. They were well built, looked of Italian descent, and were wearing black suits with turtleneck tops and knit helmets.

One of the aliens handed Simonton a two-handled jug indicated he wanted something to drink. When Simonton returned from filling it with water and returned to the craft another man was frying food on a flameless grill. He noticed the interior of the ship was a dull black and had several instrument panels. He asked for some of the food in exchange for the water and was given four pancakes each of which was about 3 inches in diameter. The hatch was then closed, the craft rose twenty feet, and then sped away to the south bending some nearby pine trees without any noticeable type of propulsion. The encounter had lasted no more then five minutes.

Simonton reported the encounter to a friend who was a county judge and a member of NICAP. He sent one pancake to NICAP and one to the USAF for each to analyze. Simonton ate a third pancake saying it tasted like cardboard. The analyses of the pancakes showed they were made of hydrogenated oil shortening, starch, wheat bran, soybean hulls and buckwheat hulls. The US Department of Health, Education and Welfare's Food and Drug Laboratory felt the pancakes were not of extraterrestrial origin. The recipe, unusually, lacked salt.

The USAF sent Major Robert Friend and Dr. J. Allen Hynek to investigate Simonton's encounter. They concluded that he had been eating pancakes for breakfast and had undergone a waking dream so vivid that he was unable to tell it from reality. Sheriff Schroeder of Eagle River, who had known Simonton for 14 years, said he felt Simonton believed the truth of what he was saying.

Interesting to see on Cryptomundo now that someone has started posting the names of who they believe to be some of the participants.

It's like a soap opera with poor video production.

"It's definitely not a guy in a costume." - Oh definitely. :new_stun: :doh:

This may be an irrelevant question and please forgive me if I missed some bit of info earlier, but could MM's growing negative reputation explain why he is no longer on Coast to Coast or is there some other reason.

While I am a mod at the KG forum and would welcome any and all new visitors I know some people aren't likely to take the time and register so............... here's the whole enchilada. Might as well keep it within this thread anyways. It should be noted that there are several different people quoted below, and all are not in chronological order.