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ColoBFJaeger
Date: 16 December 2006
Time: 12:30 PM to 3:30 PM
Location: Crags Campground and Recreation Area, CO
Altitude: 10,200 ft
Weather: Clear skies, 35 degrees

On Dec 16, 2006, I went out to an area on the NW Slope of Pikes Peak, that Dave found some tracks in 2005.
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/tellercounty.htm

I drove past the public campground/recreation area to a hollow. The hollow is on the border of the state recreation area and private property.

I drove on the road on the East side of the hollow. In the center were bunches of shrub oak, berry bushes and dried grass under snow. This would be an obvious feeding area for deer, elk and bear. A stream runs through the center of the open area. All this was under approximately 16 inches of snow.
As I got to the South end of the hollow, I saw some tracks up on the hillside that borders the West side of the hollow.

These looked much different than the snow-shoer tracks in the recreation area.

I parked then climbed up the hillside. It took me about 20 minutes to climb to the area where I saw the tracks. I found two sets of tracks, one set from before the last snow and one from after.



The older tracks had snow blown into them from the last storm and the surface was glazed over with surface ice. The newer tracks had very little powder blown into them, indicative of just loose residual snow deposited.
The prints were approximately 14-16 inches long. This is not outside a normal human sized print, especially in winter boots. However, the stride was approximately 36"....in 4-8" deep snow.....up hill. There was no evidence of the use of trekker poles or equivilent.
Here's the view of Pikes Peak from this position:

While trying to walk down the hillside, my stride was approximately 12-20 inches, from walking carefully, trying not to slip and fall. It appears whatever made these tracks, walked in a deliberate pace, up the hillside, with little or no concern of slipping. Very sure-footed, very natural. And that is what scared me.
I did not see any wildlife during my short time there. The hollow was very quiet, no man-made noises or wildlife were heard. At no time did I feel like I was being watched though. I stopped periodically and vocalized some "Ooof-ooofs" that echoed a bit throughout the hollow. I did not hear any response.
The tracks went into the woodline along a game trail. I did not follow the tracks because of physical limitations on my part.

There is a history of sightings in the Northeast through Southwest Slopes of Pikes Peak. There is even the famous "Bigfoot Crossing" sign on the Pikes Peak Highway. The sightings run from Waldo Canyon, Green Mountain Falls, Pikes Peak Hwy, Crystola, and into Teller County.
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey friend wow awesome new thread about the pike peak sasquatch. those are very interesting wonderful photos of possible sasquatch footprints & the pike peak forests areas. defiently your very welcome for the new updates i hope sasquatch activity accurs at pike peak. thanks bill please keep me & everyone here posted ok.
bwillard
ColoBFJaeger, thanks for sharing those photos. Looks like a very interesting place to investigate. Kinda wishing it would snow here in VA to help us look for some prints around here.

Is this an area you go by frequently? If so, keep us in the loop on your progress. I am interested in hearing about any more findings.
ColoBFJaeger
BWillard,
No, this was my first time in that area. I looked at several other areas in Teller County recently. I didn't go up to his location because I am afraid to get stuck out there. I have a FVBAR back, so I have to play things moderately.
I have been in email contact with Dave about his print discovery at this location. But, when I drove through there, I looked up, and my first thoughts were "No (fornicating) way!" And I don't like to use that word. And I worked my way up the hill, looked at the prints, and realized, something is here.
I had been emailing Dave about setting up a mini-expedition in that area but the base camp cabin didn't work out. Heck, I'm ready to go up there and camp out in a 4-season tent, and cook bacon the whole time to get something fragrant in the air....lol I really don't want to have a close up encounter, but I wouldn't mind a 100 ft or so encounter. I take that back, better bring a Kevlar tent..lol
socaldave
Cool! Thanks for sharing your discovery. Hope you and some others can get back up there and 'snoop' around some more. Good luck! new_specool.gif
FredSneakers/David
Very exciting, is the third picture down of snow shoes? I'm sort of confused right there.
ColoBFJaeger
Third pic down are the snow-shoer tracks, on mostly flat ground. See the little bitty 'baby' steps of the snow-shoer? And that is almost flat ground. Whatever made the tracks up on the hill had one heckuva stride, with no regard for fear of slipping in the snow and sliding down the 45-60 degree slope.

The sentence above each pic describes what it is.
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey colobfjaeger so has there been any new possible sasquatch encounters or experances or sasquatch evidence found in the pike peak forests areas resently. bill :smile:
ColoBFJaeger
Bill, et al,
At this point, I'm not going up there off road by myself. I'm partially disabled, and can't do a lot of stuff. But, if we can get a crew going, I'd take my GSD for perimeter security at night. Who gets to sleep against the tent walls? lol Not me, man!

These tracks are located approximately 100 meters south of Dave's tracks from 2005.

Here's something I just noticed:

Look at the pic of the hollow, take away the snow and the mountain backdrop, and what do you see?
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey colo thanks for the return reply yes i do see what your talking about in that photo very interesting indeed. bill :bf:
ColoBFJaeger
Well, what do you see, Bill?
Flashman
QUOTE(ColoBFJaeger @ Jan 14 2007, 01:26 AM) *
I have a FVBAR back, so I have to play things moderately. ...


Understand what you mean about that. Mine is just a little tweaky, lower back, twist the wrong way and I'll have to lie in bed for 2 weeks or so, and just small slips in snow that jerk a little, like not even falling down, just one leg going out and you catch your balance back, you can feel it pulling wrong, and figure if you get one only a little bit worse than that, it's gonna screw you up. Mine is annoying enough, and I know it gets much worse than that, my Dad's is way bad, he's on pain meds nearly all the time. It's like you can do normal stuff, but you can't do normal stuff, if you annoy it, you've got it on a hair trigger for a week or two and have to be extra careful not to set it off.

I usually end up picking up sticks to use whenever the goings a little bit slippy, figure it's better to look a bit silly with a couple of extra legs, than have a leg pop out funny, pull things the wrong way and get screwed up for a while. Then people see you taking extra care on stuff like that, and say "How come I saw you shoveling your driveway/carrying that TV/working on your car if you have a bad back?" and they make you feel like a fraud, when it's a case of not what you do quite often, but how you do it. For instance, if a garbage bag gets over about 25lbs, I can't (shouldn't) carry it, because you have to carry a garbage bag from the top, and out from your body. I can't hold it out to the side with one hand, or out in front. However, if there's two 50lb garbage bags, I'm okay, one in each hand, equal load. Then I can carry a 50lb TV, because you can pull it close and get the center of mass within a foot of your body, brace against it somewhat and it's fine, but 25lbs swinging around on extended arms supported 2ft from your body is gonna pull something.

Anyhoo, good luck with yours, and don't let anyone rag you into doing stuff you know you shouldn't,

Great pics, not quite sure what I'm supposed to "see" in the hollow pic though,

Flash.
FredSneakers/David
QUOTE(ColoBFJaeger @ Jan 13 2007, 11:27 PM) *
Third pic down are the snow-shoer tracks, on mostly flat ground. See the little bitty 'baby' steps of the snow-shoer? And that is almost flat ground. Whatever made the tracks up on the hill had one heckuva stride, with no regard for fear of slipping in the snow and sliding down the 45-60 degree slope.

The sentence above each pic describes what it is.


Okay thanks, thats what I figured.
The fourth picture down there looks like it has some half tracks along the left of the photo. Very interesting.
billgreen2005bigfoot
QUOTE(ColoBFJaeger @ Jan 14 2007, 09:10 AM) *
Well, what do you see, Bill?

hey colo in the above photo i see plenty of forests for sasquatch or wildlife to feel protected from the harsh colorado winter ice storms. so any new sightings or possible photos & possible filmfootages of colorado sasquatch creatures. as i see on the internet today there is great amount of new activity & info about colorado sasquatch. please keep us informed ok. :smile:
ColoBFJaeger
Take away the snow and the beautiful mountain back-drop, and I see an uncanny resemblance to Bluff Creek.
sojourner
related: http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...ic=5153&hl=

and, for what it's worth, I think you may have been in almost exactly the same spot where I was. From the vantage point of your first picture, looking south, (tell me if I have the location right- the road goes only about another 2-300 yards, curves back and out of sight to the left, where it ends in a cul-de-sac) the tracks I found, whatever they were, were on top of the hillside immediately behind and directly to the right (west) exiting the treeline and into the clearing at the top of the hill (which I believe your third picture shows). Those tracks then proceeded down the hillside and into the valley-bottom hollow where I lost them amongst all the other miscellaneous tracks from people, animals and vehicles.

I think it possible if not likely that this location is possibly a passing-through funnel point. To the north are the towns of Divide and Woodland Park which are getting more and more developed and populated by the day. It no longer feels as almost-remote as it did twenty years ago when I lived there. To the southwest is the Cripple Creek/Victor area with plenty of people and traffic. However, directly west of this location is the vast expanse of forest cover provided by the Mueller State Park and Wildlife Area which, in turn, can lead to the Elevenmile Reservoir and Puma Hills area and then over to the Lost Creek Wilderness Area and Kenosha Pass, or east throughout the area north of Woodland Park and then over onto the Rampart Range, and there are reports from throughout this entire area. The Crags location then gives cover and access to all of the high ground of Pike's Peak and then to all of the mostly unoccupied southslope of the peak, where there are frequent reports from as well.

In any case, you certainly live in a very likely and worthwhile study area. No need to go far or anywhere else. For what it's worth, I actually think your best bet would be to spend time getting into wherever you can get into to the south around Skagway Reservoir, Gold Camp Road, Seven Lakes, Beaver Creek, Turkey Creek, and Phantom Canyon, or just on the other side of Cripple Creek to the southwest into the BLM lands. We'll take a ride sometime soon, if it ever stops snowing...
sierra4
Notice in Dave's Colorado 2005 tracks
the stride from footprint to footprint is remarkably long, consistently 6 to 7 feet apart and luckily quite clear. The snow is not kicked up by the maker of these 20-inch barefoot tracks and there is no left-right, left-right off-set imprint in the snow in these Dave's 2006 tracks....

As a comparison, notice back in John Green’s book a photo of a line of tracks photographed in Bluff Creek that also has NO left-right, left-right off-set imprints in the dirt and again no off-set line of tracks in Dr. Karl’s track photographed in the Siskiyous

On Bigfoot Encounters front page, upper left corner, there is a slide show of another case of Colorado tracks in the Southwestern corner of the San Juan Mountains that also have NO left right left-right imprints in the snow and the stride there is consistent in measurement…

There are variables I am sure, nevertheless ….great length of stride with clear barefoot imprints of
sasquatch-consistent tracks show no left-right (off-set) barefoot imprints such as you and I would leave… in many cases, if not most, the sasquatch bizarrely leaves a straight line of tracks.

Bobbie Short
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey bobbie i totaly agree definetly with your above reply. i hope more sasquatch activity comes to those forests areas. bill
ColoBFJaeger
Dave,
From looking at your pics of the tracks and where you parked, I ASS-U-MEd yours were right where the parking area is, where the wooden barrier blocks wheeled vehicles from going around the stream/hollow on the west side. The parking area is right across the road from where the stream passes under the road through a metal culvert. These tracks I found were approximately 100 meters south of there.
Which all makes sense. Most game trails lead to water. What is the natural route an animal would take through there? Along the stream bed where the greenest grass grows, where there is fewer trees to impede passage.
And its just amazing how something can just walk up that hill with that stride. If you look at the new, high-tech aluminum tubing framed snowshoes, they are still fairly flat underneath. They are not designed for gaining traction up hill. Something just walked with very little effort up that steep hill, in the snow, at 10,250 ft. Some of you flat-landers come try walking a normal stride up here and discover the air is less dense.
I looked at my baby steps trying to climb up the side of the hill, looked at its stride, and I felt real....insignificant.
billgreen2005bigfoot
any new possible sightings ,strange screams, rock throwing, experances, strange animal mutilations that might be sasquatch related in nature. bill :smile:
ColoBFJaeger
QUOTE(billgreen2005bigfoot @ Jan 14 2007, 11:06 PM) *
any new possible sightings ,strange screams, rock throwing, experances, strange animal mutilations that might be sasquatch related in nature. bill :smile:


Its going to be awhile before I can get back up there. I got a bunch of snow in the last 2 weeks, at 9200 ft. That location has to have at least another 2 feet of snow. I've got self-extraction equipment but I'd rather not have to use it. And I bet "it" is probably down at a lower altitude, probably close to Colo Spgs, to avoid the weather.

I think it was just dumb luck that I happened upon those tracks. I can't wait to get up there with some of the other CO crew and do some call-blasting. I've seen the tracks, that was enough proof for me. Hearing something howl back will just be the icing on the cake!
FredSneakers/David
QUOTE(sierra4 @ Jan 14 2007, 02:17 PM) *
Notice in Dave's Colorado 2005 tracks
the stride from footprint to footprint is remarkably long, consistently 6 to 7 feet apart and luckily quite clear. The snow is not kicked up by the maker of these 20-inch barefoot tracks and there is no left-right, left-right off-set imprint in the snow in these Dave's 2006 tracks....

As a comparison, notice back in John Green’s book a photo of a line of tracks photographed in Bluff Creek that also has NO left-right, left-right off-set imprints in the dirt and again no off-set line of tracks in Dr. Karl’s track photographed in the Siskiyous

On Bigfoot Encounters front page, upper left corner, there is a slide show of another case of Colorado tracks in the Southwestern corner of the San Juan Mountains that also have NO left right left-right imprints in the snow and the stride there is consistent in measurement…

There are variables I am sure, nevertheless ….great length of stride with clear barefoot imprints of
sasquatch-consistent tracks show no left-right (off-set) barefoot imprints such as you and I would leave… in many cases, if not most, the sasquatch bizarrely leaves a straight line of tracks.

Bobbie Short


I'm not quite sure what you mean here?

The track appearing in a straight line are probably do to the animals gait.
Bobby Orangeboom
QUOTE(FredSneakers/David @ Jan 15 2007, 02:01 AM) *
I'm not quite sure what you mean here?

The track appearing in a straight line are probably do to the animals gait.


If i've read it right Fred, that's what Sierra says, that Sass walsk in a straight line..

I have read this in a lot of Books ( Krantz & Murphy ) that says this also !!
billgreen2005bigfoot
QUOTE(ColoBFJaeger @ Jan 15 2007, 06:27 AM) *
Its going to be awhile before I can get back up there. I got a bunch of snow in the last 2 weeks, at 9200 ft. That location has to have at least another 2 feet of snow. I've got self-extraction equipment but I'd rather not have to use it. And I bet "it" is probably down at a lower altitude, probably close to Colo Spgs, to avoid the weather.

I think it was just dumb luck that I happened upon those tracks. I can't wait to get up there with some of the other CO crew and do some call-blasting. I've seen the tracks, that was enough proof for me. Hearing something howl back will just be the icing on the cake!

hey colo good morning thanks for the above reply. yes please post your past field colorado sasquatch expeditions reports that you wriiten up over the years im sure you other possible sightings on those expeditons with other people over the years. as well. so write them in this thread thanks bill :smile:
sierra4
QUOTE(Bobby Orangeboom @ Jan 15 2007, 08:37 AM) *
If i've read it right Fred, that's what Sierra says, that Sass walsk in a straight line..

I have read this in a lot of Books ( Krantz & Murphy ) that says this also !!

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yes Bobby, that is exactly what I was trying to convey. It appears sasquatch track imprints are laid down in a straight line trail of tracks....no off-set left-right imprints like you and I would leave or like those in these photographs cited on this page...

There have been a few reports about the odd-ball way the sasquatch walks and leaves its tracks.... some say it walks like it had hip problems and other witnesses note the bizarre swivel to its gait and often enough that I am starting to question reports that do not mention this odd walk....it appears to be a sort of swivel of the hip when walking that throws the foot forward planting in down directly in front of the hind foot; in doing so slinging the forward foot five or more feet in front. ...one heckuva stretch...

It's almost a Gaucho Marx walk of giant proportions...

Bobbie Short
prairie700
QUOTE(ColoBFJaeger @ Jan 14 2007, 03:27 PM) *
Take away the snow and the beautiful mountain back-drop, and I see an uncanny resemblance to Bluff Creek.

Hi great photos,this looks like a great area to put some motion cameras, have you ever thought of going that route or is the area just to well used? thanks Dan
Crazy Ivan
QUOTE(ColoBFJaeger @ Jan 14 2007, 12:49 AM) *
Bill, et al,
At this point, I'm not going up there off road by myself. I'm partially disabled, and can't do a lot of stuff. But, if we can get a crew going, I'd take my GSD for perimeter security at night. Who gets to sleep against the tent walls? lol Not me, man!

These tracks are located approximately 100 meters south of Dave's tracks from 2005.

Here's something I just noticed:

Look at the pic of the hollow, take away the snow and the mountain backdrop, and what do you see?


Hey man. I live in Denver, and might be willing to go up there with you. I have gone up toward Mt. Evans a couple times this winter to check for prints, but to no avail. Just deer, cougar and small mammals. Pike National Forest has had many reports, but over the last 5-10 years, it has filled in with large homes, so I would suspect if there was a large population of bigfeet there, most have probably evacuated by now. I guess the only place to go would be either north or south of the Denver area in the mountains, so Pikes Peak would make sense. It is all protected national forest, so building privately is not allowed. There is the occassional fire tower and ranger station, but nothing significant.

Just as a reference for others...Pikes Peak is one of Colorado's highest mountains. There is a tourist rail going up to the top that is open in the summer time, as well as a curvy road going up to the top. Because of the elevation, these roads are closed to vehicles in the winter time, as it often has 5 feet deep or more of snow all the way to the top. Avalanches are not unheard of in this area either. The area surrounding Pikes Peak is protected land. Logging, building and hunting is generally prohibited. There is an occassional campsite you can stay at, but most are unused in the winter time. Only cross-country skiers, snowshoers and bigfoot hunters are around there this time of year. Even then, the bitter cold and wind on those hills keep most people away.

My mom had an up-close sighting in the Colorado high country back in the 60s, so her story fueled my interest in bigfoot.

Anyhow, PM me and we can talk about it.

P.S. I just got rid of my off-roader (dammit) but hope to get another one at some point, but can travel with you up there too.
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey ivan wow very interesting above reply there. please keep us posted ok. bill :smile:
Crazy Ivan
Just a short, quick update:

These are some nice guys. I have exchanged a few emails with them and we hope to get out to this area some time in the near future. We are still in the early, early, early stages of organizing a small group. It should be fun. We'll keep ya'll up to date.
FredSneakers/David
QUOTE(sierra4 @ Jan 15 2007, 06:45 PM) *
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yes Bobby, that is exactly what I was trying to convey. It appears sasquatch track imprints are laid down in a straight line trail of tracks....no off-set left-right imprints like you and I would leave or like those in these photographs cited on this page...

There have been a few reports about the odd-ball way the sasquatch walks and leaves its tracks.... some say it walks like it had hip problems and other witnesses note the bizarre swivel to its gait and often enough that I am starting to question reports that do not mention this odd walk....it appears to be a sort of swivel of the hip when walking that throws the foot forward planting in down directly in front of the hind foot; in doing so slinging the forward foot five or more feet in front. ...one heckuva stretch...

It's almost a Gaucho Marx walk of giant proportions...

Bobbie Short

Thats what I thought.
I don't think its too unusual though, foot after foot is a very efficient way to walk in a bent knee gait.
ColoBFJaeger
Mini-expedition in the works. I found a good basecamp, on a good promontory to do some call blasting. I'll leave the tree-knocking to those who can still swing a Louisville Slugger.
billgreen2005bigfoot
QUOTE(ColoBFJaeger @ Jan 27 2007, 07:23 AM) *
Mini-expedition in the works. I found a good basecamp, on a good promontory to do some call blasting. I'll leave the tree-knocking to those who can still swing a Louisville Slugger.

hey colobf thanks for great above update. bill i hope sasquatch activity etc is starting up in colorado forests keep us posted. are other co sasquatch researchers getting any sightings etc. sidenote is there any memberila about the pike peak sasquatch like t-shirts etc im just wondering. :smile: :smile:
ColoBFJaeger
QUOTE(billgreen2005bigfoot @ Jan 28 2007, 02:24 PM) *
hey colobf thanks for great above update. bill i hope sasquatch activity etc is starting up in colorado forests keep us posted. are other co sasquatch researchers getting any sightings etc. sidenote is there any memberila about the pike peak sasquatch like t-shirts etc im just wondering. :smile: :smile:



Bill,
I've never seen anything Colorado/Bigfoot associated other than the sign on the Pikes Peak Hwy. I'd like to go up again and have my pic taken next to it. Last time I went up there was about 8 or 9 years ago.
I think the Colo Dept. of Wildlife doesn't want to scare off potential tourism.
ColoBFJaeger
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey colobf thanks for the above reply to me which i definetly agree with you totaly indeed, thanks bill :smile:
Crazy Ivan
You'd think that the possibility of seeing bigfoot would bring tourists...but, perhaps they keep it quiet because there is truely bigfoot activity up there. What I have found is that many Forest Rangers in Colorado are big-time preservationists. When that former forest ranger set the Hayman fire here a few years ago...MAN, they were pissed at her...she was fined something like $2 million and put in jail for a couple decades...rightfully so. I thought they were gonna beat the crap outta her when they found her.

But, my point is that they might be just keeping things quiet so that bigfoot can live in peace up there near Pike's Peak, again...rightfully so. But, if a few people can document anything about bigfoot in that area, I think a little invasive observation is necessary.

As a matter of fact, that bigfoot sign was put up there the same year that the area around Pikes Peak was declared a wilderness preservation area...kind of interesting coincidence, eh?

Anyhow, I hope we can get up there with a small group sometime soon and at the least, get some pictures of the environment and the area.
billgreen2005bigfoot
QUOTE(Crazy Ivan @ Jan 29 2007, 05:57 PM) *
You'd think that the possibility of seeing bigfoot would bring tourists...but, perhaps they keep it quiet because there is truely bigfoot activity up there. What I have found is that many Forest Rangers in Colorado are big-time preservationists. When that former forest ranger set the Hayman fire here a few years ago...MAN, they were pissed at her...she was fined something like $2 million and put in jail for a couple decades...rightfully so. I thought they were gonna beat the crap outta her when they found her.

But, my point is that they might be just keeping things quiet so that bigfoot can live in peace up there near Pike's Peak, again...rightfully so. But, if a few people can document anything about bigfoot in that area, I think a little invasive observation is necessary.

As a matter of fact, that bigfoot sign was put up there the same year that the area around Pikes Peak was declared a wilderness preservation area...kind of interesting coincidence, eh?

Anyhow, I hope we can get up there with a small group sometime soon and at the least, get some pictures of the environment and the area.

hey crazy ivan very interesting above reply indeedy... thanks bill :smile:
bff2004
I went to pikes peak (colo springs area) about 6 years ago, Beautifull area..
i cant say that enough. I was following up on sightings at some of the campsites in particular at a site where the witness saw a red bf digging up a dead dog (plasitic and what appeared to be dog hair found at site) wrapped in plastic if i remember correctly. bfro refused to meet me or help in anyway also. well they did put me in touch with someone but he wouldnt meet me. since I was just some researcher to them i guess..
I camped near the site and around the area for about a week. I did take picks of snaps and rock stacks among other things but cant say for sure what made them.. I also made note of wierd bird calls where there didn't seem to be any birds thaT I could see anywhere???..again.. could of been a bird but just struck me as odd for some reason. usually when i hear a bird it doesnt even register..this one did.

I think the leadville area might still be a good area.. you can drive down some of those old raods that go by those abandon mini minig towns at night..
if I lived around there I would check that area frequently..
my friend also had a class b encounter in that area..
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey colorado sasquatch researchers etc here im sure people in pike peak forest areas will possibly report sightings footprints experiances etc to us in time now that summer is here sasquatch & wildlife must be looking for food resources in pikes peak forests areas. good evening bill green smile.gif
COGrizzly
I saw some really good tracks in CO in 2004 up Red Sandstone Road near Vail. They were way better than the ones pictured. Of course I do not have photos, it snowed 18 inches the next day. I did show them to a very accomplished hunter and he was stunned.
sagehunter
Hey i just moved my family to Franktown colorado Just about 35 miles from the Springs and hwy 24 into the pikes peak region. I would be interested in going with anyone who lives close by. I have 2 4x4 quads that can be used and my sch. is flexable. Thanks
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