First off, this is my first time starting a thread and I apologize off the bat for doing anything wrong .
I searched through the site and couldn't find any threads dealing with this subject exclusively.

The Bords Bigfoot Casebook lists a report on page 248 that states that few college kids fatally shot a Sasquatch near Jackson Hole in Wyoming. Raincoast Sasquatch mentions a man who found a giant jawbone in the Alaskan wilderness, and of course the Manitoba sighting that Pat Barker sketched.

What I'm wondering is how much time and money would it take to try to find fragments of these remains?
Whats the legality?
How much time would it take for these bones to decompose in the acidic forest soil?
How much of an area would they spread out to considering local wildlife?

I don't know just how far fetched trying to recover the remains of this animal would be, but in light of the recent claim of a "Bigfoot" tooth, I though it might make an interesting discussion.

Based on the remains of a mare that was nearly 16 hands and her filly, less than a year for them to vanish, if not completely decompose, in western Washington and at least a quarter of a mile.

The vertebrae were so covered in algae and moss they looked like rocks. I could find nothing of the filly but the lower jaw on talus where it was evidently dragged by coyotes. I knew where the mare had been left (they died of some weird disease that was never identified) so I knew right where to look when I moved back to the area. I found part of her skull down in a gully, but it was well on its way to joining the soil.

I think anyone out in an areas that's had sightings should keep an eye out for bones, just in case, but in acid soils even teeth are eaten.

Hey thanks for the feedback, very interesting.
If a large horse can decompose completely in a year there is little hope for a 50 year dead Sasquatch.

One might expect to have extreme difficulty. Humans tend to bury their dead way below the active topsoil. That would give a false perception of how long the bones would last, coz human bones are found. I figure there's more chance of the bones still being there in a swamp or bog, where they are usually preserved better. So if you get a good fix on a bog or swamp shooting, that might be worth following up, even a few years later.

I figure there's a slight chance of finding a recently dead one, if in a hot sightings area where there is presumed to be a large population, PNW for instance, one captures a dozen or so turkey buzzards and fits them out with vid cams and GPS reporting. They can smell dead critters miles off, so might detect a rotting BF and drop in for a feed. I'd expect you'd be watching vulture head cams for a year or so though.

In many respects, I'd think it's harder than finding a live one. Sure it won't move, but you don't know where it is, and it will be hard to see unless you get extremely lucky.

It would not surprise me if it were found out that people come across rotting sasquorpses, but don't realise what they are, not too many people would get that close, poke it with a toe, peer through the cloud of flies to figure out that it's not a moose, deer, stray horse etc. In anything but a fairly fresh state, or a bleached bone state, people would probably only get close enough to go "yuck dead animal" and run the other way and barf. It would also cross peoples minds in the real back country, that it was a "kill" belonging to a bear, cougar, or something else that was all pulsing musculature and sharp edges, so they'd think themselves wise not to investigate further in case whatever killed it, defended their kill.

If the cops had a high profile murder case, and they got a beleivable claim that the victim was "buried somewhere in there" indicating 5 acres of woodland, then they might dig it all out to a depth of a few feet and put it all through a fine sieve, but it would cost a fortune. I've heard of them doing that kind of thing before, a few years after the deed, and turning up with a chunk of hair, a rag of clothing and a piece of jewellery but not finding the "actual" body, even when the murderer is pleading guilty and insisting that that's where the body is.

I'm of the opinion that we're at a point in time where we have a relatively young population of Sasquatch in the main, due to nearly wiping them out with overlogging and overhunting until the 1930s, I figure they rebounded since. But this means there's a not a representative number of older sasquatch out there dropping dead. They're virtually all healthy robust prime of life critters. Whereas with the estimates of population from sightings one might expect there to be a normal amount of about 50 or so sasquatch dieing every year, if the population had a normal age spread, but I don't think it does. I think there's probably only around 10 natural deaths a year at the moment, maybe less. However, in 20 years time the sitch will have reversed, they'll be dropping dead all over the place. :new_weirdsmiley: well relatively, I'd expect numbers in the hundreds a year.

Anyhoo, good luck if you try it,

Flash.

Green mentioned a corpse found by two young girls. Of course, one waited until she grew up to report it, but he thought there might be something left in the area.

Jackson Hole's a lot drier, so there might be teeth or something............somewhere.

It's a great place for a vacation, anyway. I'd want a precise location and plenty of time to search within at least a square mile.

I wish I'd thought about this when I went through the area 9 1/2 years ago. With any luck at all, I might have found something interesting enough to add to a keychain. :wink:

A bog would cause the bone to dissolve, sometimes all they find of Iron Age "Bog Bodies" is preserved skin (I got to see this at an exhibit at LA's Natural History Museum, I'm a total dork for the celtic and germanic iron age).

Yeah I have no idea how to find the exact location for that, I'll look up the source in the book. Do you know the location where th girls found the corpse?

I never grew out of the impulse to push a dead animal over with a stick when I find it, I forget that people usually stop doing this after they're eight or so.

"Sasquorpse", thats great. Another place to look would be in a place with some geological activity, I know of a some land that forms large steps up and down and through a creek, anyplace downhill I guess would be good.

Well maybe eventually bogs dissolve them too, but I was reading where they had usually very little oxygen such that decomposition processes were very slow.

Yes but not for bones. The Calcium Carbonate dissolves quikly, though skin, hair, clothes, etc last for an extremly long time in the bogs.

FredSneakers/David I was watching a show on NGC the other night of bodies found in bogs in the UK and Northern Europe that have been preserved, almost in a mummified state for over 2,000 years. I understand the chemical reaction between acids and calcium carbonate, and your statement would seem the logical result.

Bog Bodies

I'll have to try to catch the show again because it seems on the one body, murder was ruled the cause of death by a clean slice found in a bone most likely from a knife or dagger type weapon. Also of interest was the esitmated height of that victim was 6 feet 6 inches, the tallest bog body found to date in that part of the world.

Why are we talking about bogs? Do we have bogs that are the same as those found in Europe?

Anyway, as an archaeologist, I can tell you that human remains buried in the ground of forest soil here in the west only last about 100 years (the soil is acid). The oldest remains that we have are generally found in caves or in sand (i.e., along old lakes or rivers). Stuff on the surface in the forest don't last long at all, maybe a year if you are lucky (and very rarely complete).

P.S. I should note that the FS archs I know in the south complain that there is so much forest leaf and needle litter each year that stuff you find one year will be completely buried by the same time the next year.

Hmmm ran some figures for the chances of finding one without having any hints, if there were 100 dead BF a year, and you figured only about half of the area of North America as being likely places to search, i.e. leave out suburban backyards, and the BF remains covered an area as large as 4 square meters, then you have a 25 million to one shot, per square meter you investigate to a depth of about 30cm into the leaf litter and topsoil, or that you at least rake over or something.

That's about the same odds as painting a grain of sand red, tossing it backwards over your shoulder into your flower bed, and then starting looking for it a day or two later after it rained.

However, that would actually be easier. It would be like you had an up to the minute high res satellite picture of North America that had detail enough to pick out a rabbit, and you were looking for a dead BF on that. No hoofing it up hill and down dale.

Flash.

There are quite a few preserved iron age bodies in northwest europe, most of which show signs of murder.(If your interested in the subject I'd check out P.V. Globs classic The Bog People, is the show you thinking of "The Perfect Corpse")
There are some preserved human remains from Florida I believe. This is being discussed as preservation in bogs was mentioned.

Flashman, yes there is not much or a chance for randomly finding a dead Sasquatch, I was thinking of areas where a dead Sasquatch was previously reported.

Indeed...different conditions will have different rates for decomposing different materials, and these conditions and materials themselves can change very quickly from one spot to another. I have personally found lots of bones out in the wilderness. In the desert I found a nearly complete horse skeleton that was pretty good after several years (approximate age based on age of shrubs which entraned some of the bones and the exposure was southern and therefore drier), and if you ever take a trip up to Skagway,Alaska you can quite clearly see bones of the horses that perished while bringing miners and supplies up across the White Pass, and they're over 100 years old. I've also found moose, bison, elk, deer, sea otter, sea lion, harbor-seal,coyote or wolf skeletal parts. But I really think a major reason that people don't find sasquatch skeletal parts in the woods, or elsewhere, is that anyone would naturally presume that their finds were the remains of some other large animal...and statistically they'd be right 999 times out of 1000 (conservatively). If you're serious about looking for bones you need to study some anatomy so you can identify a few critical characteristics (the internet is fantastic for this...try spending a few days here:

http://www.digimorph.org/index.phtml

It also helps to spend time outside looking around so you can develope a search image in your mind's eye...oh, and don't forget just how tiny you are while "out there", bring a few things incase you get lost.

I have often stated this to people who ask me "Why hasn't anyone ever found a body?" I respond by saying, "Who says no one ever has?"

What people are REALLY asking is: "Why hasn't someone found a carcass in the last 300 years (and regardless of scavenging or decomposition), recognized it for what it was, and had the wherewithal to drag it out of the woods and bring it to the attention of science?" That one is easier to answer...most people don't like maggots!

Like Flash, I'd wager that somewhere, sometime, somebody HAS come across a carcass in the woods, but said "that's weird" and kept on walking.

To me, that is more likely than humans NEVER coming across a body.

Just my 2¢ tirademan

Hey neat, thats great that you've found such a diverse range of remains, there is hope yet. Thanks for the link, there is also a variety of osteology texts that have great ammount of details for identifying skeletal remains, though mostly human. Do you keep, clean and preserve any of the bones you've com across?
Anyways, thanks for your information, very helpful.



There are a couple accounts of shooting one to death and observing its body, and at least three where an actual body/bones were found. The only problem is that there is nothing to back up these stories (yet), so they get filed away as anecdotal.

Here are a couple of newspaper articles from November 1999 published in the Contra Costa county Times regarding a Walnut Creek, California man who disappeared in an extremely remote area North of Winnemucca Nevada. Eventually his skull, "picked clean" was found and you can see the various conclusions. I was never satisfied with the investigation when this happened and think the authorities just wanted to close the matter. Lots of questions went unaswered. The area is about 9000 foot elevation, not much tree cover and a very long way from anything. I have no idea if any BF sightings in this area (between NEVand ID) but who would be there to see him anyway? The report is inetersting generally, but it is also pertinent to how long remains will last if not buried....gone in days, except for the skull, watch and bloody rags.

Contra Costa Times (Walnut Creek, CA)
November 10, 1999
Section: news
Edition: Final
Page: A01


COUGAR MAY HAVE SLAIN MAN
Kristi Belcamino

Sheriff's deputies in Elko, Nev., are searching a rocky area for signs of a Walnut Creek man they say may have been attacked and killed by a mountain lion.

Officers found his torn, bloody clothing not far from his four-wheel-drive vehicle.
When Dennis Dorsey, 49, left Walnut Creek on Oct. 10 to go camping, his family didn't know exactly where he was headed but believed it was to Idaho. His wife, Debbie, last spoke to him Oct. 11.

Dorsey, who formerly owned Wheels 2000 in Concord, recently helped his wife become the co-owner of a furniture business in Lafayette. Chateau Collections opened two days before he left on his camping trip.

After Dorsey did not return home Oct. 20, as expected, his family and friends reported him missing. He last used his credit card in northern Nevada a few days after he left Walnut Creek, but that is where the trail went cold until Friday.

A group hunting for desert bighorn sheep found Dorsey's 1999 silver Isuzu Trooper, said Elko County Undersheriff Steve Bishop. The Trooper's light switch was on and the keys were in the ignition. Dorsey's camping gear, a handgun and a supply of spoiled food also were inside. The vehicle did not appear to be stuck and still had gasoline.

It was found on a jeep trail 11 miles off a main road near a small, mining town called Midas, Bishop said. The area, known as Owhyee Bluffs, is in the high desert and is covered with rocks, sagebrush and other shrubs. It is so rugged it took a deputy 90 minutes to drive the 11 miles to where the Trooper was found, Bishop said.

Police searched for Dorsey on Sunday and Monday, aided by a helicopter.

They found Dorsey's ripped and bloody clothing Monday about 500 yards from the Trooper. They found his pants, underwear, socks, a shoe, some money and his wristwatch and dried blood on rocks nearby, Bishop said.

Deputies are looking into the possibility that Dorsey was attacked and killed by a mountain lion, since the area is known as a hunting ground for the cats.

On Tuesday, a mountain lion hunter brought his dogs into the area to help searchers find lion dens, Bishop said.

It is very rare for a mountain lion to attack a human, particularly a man, said Jim Swanson, a senior wildlife biologist with the Department of Fish and Game regional office in Yountville. Dorsey was 5-foot-9 and weighed 185.

In April 1994, a mountain lion mauled and killed a Placerville woman who was jogging. Later that year, a San Diego woman was attacked and killed in a state park.

On Oct. 19, a jogger on a hiking trail near Santa Fe, N.M., spent 20 minutes fending off an attacking 100-pound cougar.

Joggers are particularly vulnerable, Swanson said. When a lion sees someone running, it triggers an instinctive attack reaction, he said.

Swanson said he has seen an increase in encounters between people and mountain lions over the past few years because there has been an increase in the population. In 1990, voters in California banned hunting of the animal. In addition, Swanson said, people are moving to and spending time in areas that mountain lions call home.

"Twenty years ago, you didn't find people jogging in forests," he said.

Between 1890 and 1990, there were 53 cougar attacks recorded in the United States and Canada, mostly involving children. Ten of those cases were fatal.

Kristi Belcamino covers crime, police and public safety. Reach her at 925-945-4782 or kbelcamino@cctimes.com.

Contra Costa Times (Walnut Creek, CA)
November 11, 1999
Section: news
Edition: Final
Page: A01


SKULL COULD BE THAT OF WALNUT CREEK MAN
Kristi Belcamino

Searchers in Elko, Nev., found a skull Wednesday they believe is that of a missing Walnut Creek man who may have been killed by a mountain lion, authorities said.

Dennis Dorsey, 49, left Walnut Creek on Oct. 10 to go camping and was reported missing after he didn't return home as expected Oct. 20.
Elko County Sheriff Neil Harris say deputies believe the skull is Dorsey's, but confirmation is not expected until Friday because of the Veterans Day holiday.

Dorsey last spoke to his wife Oct. 11. Records show Dorsey used his credit card last in northern Nevada a few days after he left Walnut Creek, but that is where the trail went cold until Friday.

Hunters came across the 1999 Isuzu Trooper that Dorsey was driving on a jeep trail some 11 miles off a main road in a remote, rocky area. The four-wheel drive's light switch was on and the keys were in the ignition. Dorsey's camping gear, a handgun and supply of rotted food also were inside. The vehicle did not appear to be stuck and still had gasoline.

On Monday, deputies searching the high desert area found ripped and bloodied clothing identified as Dorsey's about 500 yards from the Trooper. They found pieces of his pants, underwear, socks, a shoe, some money and his Rolex wristwatch, along with dried blood on the rocky ground.

The area, called Owhyee Bluffs, is home to both mountain lions and coyotes. Harris said tear marks found on Dorsey's shredded clothing look like those made by lions, and pieces of jeans and buttons were found in coyote feces nearby, he said.

Searchers hunting for signs of Dorsey on Wednesday found a skull that Harris described as "somewhat fresh and picked clean."

Harris said investigators aren't sure whether Dorsey was killed by the animals.

"It is entirely possible, because there are a lot of caves in the area, that he was climbing around to look in caves and do some exploring and that he fell and possibly even died from the fall, and the animals got to him afterward," Harris said.

Friends of Dorsey's wife and two children said Wednesday the family was in "deep mourning."

Dorsey is the former owner of Wheels 2000, a Concord auto dealership.

No. John evidently did and thought someone should check it out, but I doubt anyone did.

Funny, bog bodies came up. It just did on another board and I found this great pic of Tollund Man:



http://illuminations.berkeley.edu/archives...e=1&story=1

No bogs like in Europe? Hm. That may help my argument against a Brazilian Geologist who knows everything ("there should be fossils"). Got any more on that Hairy Man?

My uncle had a peat bog on his farm in Indiana but evidently no one was thrown in because it was excavated to the bottom. To my knowlege there was nothing there but peat.

According to wikipedia,


A bog is a specific type of wetland, not found in the US except in the upper parts of Minnesota and Michigan. What we have in most places are swamps, which are warm weather bogs, and aren't so great for preservation of human remains. Preserved bog bodies have only been found in Denmark, Germany and the United Kingdom where apparently "peat bog conditions exist where the subsurface chemistry of moisture combined with an anaerobic environment, such that remarkable preservation of animal organisms can result." So, to preserve skin and clothes (not just bones), conditions other than a bog or the cold have to be at work.

Bones also need specific conditions, such as dry caves, or frozen tundra where the environment stays consistent over very long periods of time. Unfortunately, where I am assuming bigfoots habitat is, the environment is never the same. It is hot, cold, wet, dry, etc...not a great opportunity for preservation.

Whoops, just realised my figures were off by a factor of 1000, used 1000 square meters per square kilometer instead of 1M, :doh: So yeah, that would be 25,000,000,000 to 1 and figure it's like looking for that red grain of sand on a football field.

I actually got to see Yde Girl in Los Angeles, the thing that suprised me was how tiny her remains were. I guess this is from poor preservation and the lack of bone tissue, bogs are not ideal for bone preservation.

I think that rocky areas and creek beds would also be good places for physical remains. They don't need to be mummified, even a tooth would suffice.

A few yaers back they found some bones of a race of very tall red headed people I am not sure but I think the ground was peat or lime based not sure but they where very old and where like mummies preserved very well http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giantkossuth.html



Edit to fix link.

I think I was assuming there were some similar conditions generally in North America in wet areas, due to hearing about some inuit bog bodies being found in what must have been northern Canadian muskeg.

I'd still expect a wetland such as we have around here to do better than a typical forest floor, at preserving a body longer, maybe on an archeological timescale it wouldn't be long at all, but we're talking in terms of living memory for reported shootings I'd think.

We've got peat bog around here too though...
http://www.conservation-niagara.on.ca/cons.../wainfleet.html

this one is intresting flash http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/2003/Autumn/Giants/ there is a lot of reading about gaints here

Those old giant stories always interested me. LAL, do you remember where Green mentioned the story?

I'm rereading The Apes Among Us now. I think it was in there, but I don't think an exact location was given. You might want to e-mail John for more information.

Thanks. That's my point too.

Out of all the species that have lived, an estimated 1% have left a fossil record. Our unidentified hominid primate is supposed to be one of them. Go figure.

:doh: I totally just realized I asked you that twice, I must have been really tired. Thanks though, do you have any idea how I could go about doing that?

Yep.

Actually, there are similar (though not quite as ideal) conditions in peat bogs in Florida, and well preserved very ancient bodies and artifacts have been found. Most of the bodies are skeletons, but a lot of organic material has been recovered (fabric etc) and in some cases even some internal organs have been preserved.

http://news.ufl.edu/1999/12/01/mortars/

and

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bog/america.html


-robo

Robo! Dude, where have you been? Good to see you!

Yeah, I've heard of those preserved bodies in Florida, but haven't seen an official archaeological report detailing the finds. Considering the billions of people who have lived through time and the fact that only a few have ever been preserved as "mummies", the thought that a bigfoot could be found in similar conditions isn't likely.

Good to see you too Hairy Man Time flies.

And i totally agree that it's highly, highly unlikely that a bigfoot would be preserved this way. AFAIK, the florida bodies were deliberately buried in the bog, which must have helped with their preservation.

The bodies from Europe were as well.

Hmm.. you're right. I was under the impression that most european bog people had been basically chucked into the water and left there, but I just did a bit of quick re-reading because of your post and it does appear that they were usually staked down at least, if not actually buried.. not sure if that's always the case but it seemed to be in the cases i read about.

Alot of care was taken into placing (and killing) the bog victims. Some where staked or tied down or covered with branches. I think that the brutal nature of the murders mislead people to think that they were sloppy, but keep in mind they had alot of religious significance and their killings were no small feat.
There are a few post Iron Age burials that were preserved in the bogs, but I don't think there are many (ancient) bog bodies that were there accidently or haphazardly. (I'm a total history nerd :black_hat: .)

Anyways, all this shows is that it is still highly unlikely to find preserved Sasquatch remains in a bog.
Caves or very rocky areas (which abound along mountain ranges), a perhaps some valleys seem much more suitable.

In regards to BF bones, I read a report of someone seeing a BF bury a dead one in a book called the Locals. Another report of a fisherman seeing a few rock mounds along an Oregon river in a BF area.

It makes sense that they might bury their dead, since they have some smarts. This summer, I saw a squirrel pulling his dead buddy off of a parking lot where it was run over. ....really a sorry picture.

Shy BF's might also bury their dead so we don't find their bones that would provide evidence of their existence in an area.

What happened to Biscardi's excavation of the dead BF a few months ago?

Hmmm, not necessarily a compassionate gesture, squirrels are rodents, which means they can be omnivorous. They have been known to take baby birds. Hence I'd say there was a chance it was going to take a nibble off it's good buddy there.

That burial excavated by Biscardi was a human burial...not even close to being bigfoot.

Rock mounds are everywhere, as they were frequently built by Native Americans as burial cairns or cache markers. Miners also use rock mounds to mark claims. The U.S. Forest Service also used them as boundary markers. So, the point being is, a rock mound is more likely than not a human cultural feature and very likely against the law to excavate or otherwise disturb.

Elephants cover their dead. Bears try to cover their kills. It's common enough to suggest that covering the dead isn't so terribly sophisticated, particularly if you are trying to keep other predators at bay.

Dan

What does that have to do with rock mounds?

Actually, I wasn't replying to you. I hit the wrong button.

Dan

Oh good...cause I was lost!

I would think, in my personal opinion, the best place to find bones would be either in a cave or abandoned mine.

Caves and Mines are another good place. I was originally posting on bodies that have been allegedly found or killed, where we know the location.

I have read that Chimps will cover their dead with branches (though I'm not sure where, I thought Meldrum noted this but now I can't find it, anybody have any clues?), and there is a second hand report in Alleys Raincoast Sasquatch of someone finding a gigantic skeleton that was surrounded by uncut branches.

Geogerm, does the book give the location of this report. Isn't that book also full a paranormal stuff as well?
I highly doubt Biscardi discovered any remains, as he would be in a hell of alor of trouble right now if he really did what he claims he did, but does he ever do what he claims he does?

This thread is about bones and sorry to derail off the bog topic. A bog BF discovery would be great. The bog discussion is interesting and someone will get the evidence from one place or another. In the past, there have been some direct hits of BF existence but each time the facts never get to the right people.
:doh:

Fred, the book called the Locals has one small chapter devoted to BF and vanishing acts. It tainted the book but 90% of Tom Powell's reports are very interesting. The bad chapter is 21 pages long. The girl that saw the burials was some where in the Dakotas, I think.

Yes, Hairy, there were caves mentioned in the book, and if people explore remote caves, there is a good chance of finding bones in good shape. A reported hermit that lives in the Oregon mountains around 60 miles from here sees BF and found ledges and caves where BF resides.......will explore area this summer! The mounds appear to be the work of BF. Read below:

Hmm... Flash, maybe the little rascal squirrell was going to eat his buddy.

Dan, the part about Elephants buring their dead helps prove a point; that is BFs probably do the same which explains why bones are not found.

Hairy, here is the report of the burial mounds: http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com...eport.php?id=31

Sighting Text:
* Chuck recalls 20 years ago being on the lower Roaring River; SE of Estacada Oregon. He was prospecting for cinnabar; the ore of mercury. He found a mound of earth; somewhat overgrown; at river level; that was about three feet high; and about five feet long; though irregular. There were some big rocks on it; that probably weighed up to 60#. Weeds and such were on the mound; and he dug in it for a short distance; but didn't find anything. At waters edge he said it would probably have washed away by now. A news article about two years later concerning Bigfoot is what reminded Chuck of the strange mound. Another report from the literature mentions a Bigfoot burial where large rocks were rolled on top of the grave. Why mention it here? Peter Byrne once reported a mound on Alder Creek; near Sandy; OR. Another case was reported where Three Bigfoot were reported burying another along the river near Bagby Hot Springs; OR. In this case; a later investigation revealed that the river had erased all signs of the burial. All three cases are in roughly the same area; and the phenomenon might be a trait of Bigfoot. Anybody else run across anything like this; or have any theories of their own to mention?,

I read a report of a BF skull being found, sent to U of Cal, then lost.

Another report about a man, shoots BF, feaks out, buries it, dies, and wife reports it. Will find URL if you want.


George

georgerm, as a professional anthropologist/archaeologist, my main concern is that people NOT assume that a mound of earth or rocks are related to a bigfoot burial. Digging in mounds in search of bigfoot bones is a huge mistake because you are very likely to encounter bones, but Native American ones (same if you are digging around in caves), and it is against the law to excavate human remains without a permit. The report you linked to above shouldn't be in a bigfoot database...it's just a mound of dirt with no evidence that it is linked in any way to bigfoot. (Not to mention that any miner should be aware that mining activities leave behind tailing piles).

Alley cites a report of Sasquatch retiring in a cave as well.
I'm not sure "burying" would be the proper word to describe this behaviour; "covering" might be more appropriate, as I highly doubt Sasquatch bury their dead within the earth, no other ape does, nor do they have the technology to make a proper grave.


Again, whsts the location? There are a couple reports of hunters shooting one and leaving it in fear.
Bogs aren't very promising either.

I checked out a book on animal archeology, but it only went into domestic and hunted animals in association with humans. Shoot.

Dogu4 mentioned finding alot of wild animal bones, I know people do, our their particular places where bones is more likely to show up?
Valleys, near water, rocky areas, caves, mines, whatelse?

I found a moose skull in Alaska that was in the river tangled among the branches of a fallen tree and a caribou skull along with numerous smaller bones (vertebrae?) on a small island in the middle of the river. I was just walking and poking around...I think it's fairly common there to come across the bones of animals that have died relatively recently.

I've also found two nearly complete deer skeletons here in Michigan. One appeared to have gotten its leg twisted in two strands of barbed wire when jumping the fence...this was behind my grandparent's old place and I guessed it was the three-legged deer that had been around for years (with a new pair of twins every year). The other was in some undergrowth at a gravel 4-5 car recreational parking spot in Holly. My best guess is that it was wounded by a hunter and crawled in there to die.

I think in most cases, a BF would have to die in a somewhat unconventional way, like those two deer, for us to have a good shot at finding their remains...or we'd have to be in the right place at the right time in a remote place like Alaska. Neither of these provide very good odds, but the odds can't be much worse than, say, filming one.

What are the soil conditions in the Pacific NW (the bastion of BF population)? Is the soil acidic from the pine and conifer forests? If so, that would greatly contribute to rapid decomposing of any skeletons.

Well, thats the problem. The soild is extremely acidic. Only buried remains would be preserved for a long time, and looking this way has alot of legal and ethical issues as well as being unlikely to find a buried individual.


Thanks, being washed into an island sounds like a great way to leave bones, very interesting.

Hairy Man, I agree with you completely. I highly doubt that a complete, buried, skeleton will ever be found of these animals, unless a hunter shoots, buries, and marks it, which I doubt. The level of covering this animal might do would be nothing like a human burying its dead in the earth. Any remains are likely to be scattered.
There have been several remains found and reported in the past, though I'm not sure how probable finding these would be.

And this explains why bones aren't found:

http://unrnet.seismo.unr.edu/Aerials/part4.html

Yeah, there is an expansive wilderness involved. Reports of dead Saquatch would narrow it down though, providing they had not already decomposed.