This would have ended my night hunting for a long time.

Alabama Bigfoot Research

Enjoy!

Mike

You gave the link for the website, but which report? Where do I go to on the website? Thanks!

The first report..New Report..November 9, 2006 or ..

Report Link

Mike

Here it is:

New Report

Watch1 beat me to it. Sorry all


Of course, hunting deer at 4AM with coon lamps? Sounds odd to me. But maybe Alabama has different laws than I am used to.

Thanks for the links guys! When you see reports like this, one thing that enters my mind (besides it being a traumatic experience for the hunter) is, I've started to wonder if some of the BFs are a bit lazy. I've seen a few reports of BF taking off with the hunter's prey right after the hunter has succeeded in killing it. I know there have also been mention of BF being interested in road kill as well. BF would really have to be out there observing the hunter and what they are doing if they just happen to be there when the job is already been done. Regarding roadkill, I wonder how many deers have been spooked by BF into the path of a car? We've also seen reports where they've taken a good day's catch of fish. Can we call that being a bit innovative? :laugh: If a person did the same, I know a few choice words I'd use to describe the person doing the same thing. :laugh:

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Night hunting is illegal ..except in a few cases such as racoon with dogs. New laws passed to make night hunting of deer even more costly for those doing it. But ..it still happens..mostly by teenagers just out doing something.

Those coon lamps are good bright lights and they stay bright longer than most lights.

Here is a link:

Nite Lite

Mike

Ive heard those "screams" the witness mentioned. Believe me the will scare the &^% out of you becasue they are very loud and long. Sounds like a large woman screaming in torture, very disturbing sound, especially if its close.

Actually, you just reminded me of something I forgot about, about 6 years ago, a family friend hit a deer "out in the sticks" near here at night. Not sure of the exact time, I think he was working a late shift, probably after 11 at night. He had a G-body Buick that was a pretty solid car and only cracked his headlights. The deer was badly injured, but made it into the woods at the side of the road. He stopped, thinking he'd probably mortally injured it, and was thinking it would drop dead pretty soon, and he'd get some free meat. So he got out of the car, walked into the edge of the wood where the deer had gone in, and was then struck by an overwhelming fear. He picked up a a piece of branch as a cudgel, then heard a noise (Which I don't remember a description of) which sent him over the edge, he dropped the branch, ran back to the car and peeled out of there.

He joked about being afraid of bambi when telling the story, making much of the ridiculousness of it, but it seems that something really spooked him.

So, interesting to postulate that a Booger chased the deer out in front of him, then warned him off when it looked like he was going to claim it.

Unfortunately he moved out of province 4 years ago, and we haven't really been in contact with him since, otherwise I'd ask him for more details.

Not sure if that is what you're getting at Laurie, but do you think it's possible that they DELIBERATELY flush deer in front of vehicles, to get an easy kill? :new_weirdsmiley:

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Anyhoo, interesting incident there. What it seems to me that was happening, was that the Sasquatch was already stalking the deer, and had climbed a tree above the game trail back into the woods, waiting for it to finish grazing, where he was going to drop onto it when it returned to the woods. Some yahoos turned up and shot "his" deer, whereupon he leapt from cover, claimed it and made off with the spoils.

Flash

Hi Flashman!

Yep, scaring a deer into traffic - exactly the picture I got in my mind. Seems to be a pretty innovative plan if that is in fact what happens at times. It would certainly be pretty effective. They don't have to kill the animal or anything. Try turning that one into your insurance agent though. :laugh: (That is if you tried saying BF was at fault for the damage to your vehicle.)

I've read a lot of reports where hunters have lost their deer to BF, but especially fishermen who have lost their fish. It takes a certain amount of time and patience to catch those fish and I sure wouldn't appreciate losing them. However, you wouldn't find me arguing with something that big either. I suppose for the experience of seeing something few people ever get to see it might be worth it though. I'd get over it pretty quick.

This might be happening more than we think it is. I have noticed that in a few areas I see alot of tracks where deer have crossed the road and it looks like something has run a herd of them out of the woods. This is not an everyday crossing. Looking at the tracks..it looked like they were running wide open as they hit the dirt road.

Mike (watch1)

I have a friend I talk to whenever I can who owns land with a cabin where he pretty actively hunts. It's hunting season and he is hunting big time right now. I wonder how long it will be before he notices some of what he caught taken by something. He has some pretty suspicious activities going on right near his cabin. He hasn't seen anything so far, but he sure hears stuff while he's there. When he first bought the property he found a few deer that were unusually slaughtered that must have caused him more then a little concern. He sits on his porch after dark with night vision goggles but hasn't seen whatever it is so far. One of his dogs (a rotweiler) has had some occassions of growling at something near the cabin. He loves his dogs so he puts them in the cabin at those times. The rotweiler would likely be aggressive enough to want to get involved in a scrape, but might not have a chance against a BF if that is what is coming around. I told him not to take any chances that might end up making the whole experience unpleasant and he is real careful. When out on the property he brings protection all the time now. I guess if I was with someone the experience wouldn't be too bad, but if I were alone - forget about it. I'd be gone never to come back again. Besides getting a warning from his dogs of something being present, all nature sounds stop as well. He appreciates those two things as a warning that something is near or has left.

Edited to add:

He owns 80 fenced acres of private property in the Mark Twain National Forest in Dent County Missouri. He is bordered on the southeast 40 acres by a farm and on the northwest 40 acres by a farm. The rest is all National Forest on all sides of his property. On his property there is a wet weather creek that almost always has a little water in it. His property is mostly oak forest with about 10 acres of open space that was once used for grazing cattle. There is a pine forest on the northeast side where an old logging road is the entrance to his property.

Not sure about lazy Laurie because it would be impossible for the BF to actually predict that the Car carrying the Hunters would proceed to shoot that same Deer which just so happens, when shot, to run its way !!

Maybe BF are smart enough to have worked out that where there are Human Hunters, if they were to follow, there would probably be food soon enough..

I just think that this particular sighting has a lot to do with luck more than judgement where this BF is concerned !!

Right place at the right time !! :wink:

Bobby says:



Pretty much what I meant. If that's not lazy, it's innovative. Either way, the hunter would not appreciate it disappearing. You would think a BF would have a certain amount of fear in taking bold actions like that.

Who all here hunts? When was the last time you went hunting with a buddy and did not know what he was hunting with? When was the last time you picked up your buddies gun to shoot it and did not know what it was? Also he was shooting a deer at 300yds at night? That's three football fields at night with a gun he didn't even know what it was and probably had never shot before and killed a deer with one shot... this story is BS.

When I read the story those same questions popped up in my mind and led me to the same conclusion as Dread.

Everyone KNOWS what their buddies are carrying when on a hunt. It's usually a main topic of conversation. Also, lighting up deer at night to harvest them is a good way to end up in jail and pay a hefty fine to boot. LYING about it by saying you are "coon hunting" is a surefire way to get an officer's goat. Don't know about where ya'll live, but, here in Fla. the Fish and Wildlife officers have no sense of humor about that.

Something smells bad in this "account" and I don't think it's BF this time.

As a side note:

Now, like ya'll, I'm seeing more and more of these accounts of BF associating gunshots with a free meal. Kind of like the big Brown Bear out west. I understand that when they hear a gunshot, rather than running from it, they now run to it knowing that where that shot is a free meal is bound to be nearby.

I can't help but wonder about whether this type of situation will be the one that ends in the first confirmed BF kill. Someday, some hunter is bound to shoot whatever that thing is that's stealing his trophy/tag (sooner or later).

Take care,

Mike U.

Yeah you're right Laurie, but if i was 7'5 foot plus & 500lb, i'd fancy my chances even against a Hunter with Gun who would undoubtedly be absolutely petrified of my presence :wink:

I wouldn't call it lazy, I'd call it opportunistic. Hunting is a terribly innefficient way to make a living and even the most skilled predators take the young, the sick and the old, mostly because they can't get anything else.

Our earliest ancestors may have scavenged, breaking bones with stone tools to get at the marrow. This food resource wasn't being used by other scavengers.

If the hog hunting story is accurate it would seem BFs are capable of co-ordinated hunts. Wild hogs are nocturnal and would surely be easier to catch than deer.

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Each of the two young men had a high-intensity "coon light". (A battery powered light designed to be affixed to a special hat, typically used for racoon hunting at night.) The friend of the witness had a scope-equipped high powered rifle - the witness thought it was a .300 magnum, although he was not sure. While using the "coon lights" from the windows of their truck they saw a deer standing a few yards from the woods along the far side of a small hay field. They stopped the truck and turned off the ignition. The deer was about 300 yards away. The witness took the rifle and stepped outside the truck. He leaned across the hood of the truck and, using the hood as a rest for the rifle, took careful aim with the aid of the "coon light" and fired.

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The witness was trying to remember details of this sighting as best he could. (He was 17 at the time of the sighting and is now 21) His friend that he was hunting with may be like alot of people that buy and sell guns several times looking for the perfect rifle for them. I know I did while I was young. I finally decided to stay with my Remington Mohawk 600 308 cal. bolt action. Why?..It is one of the shortest, easy to handle and most accurate rifle I have ever shot.

I have shot many different rifles that some of my friends have owned. I can not remember exactly what each of them were. I have no problem with this small fact in the report.

The report did not say they were coon hunting. It said they were using coon lights. Those who have used these lights know how bright they are and the battery is desighed to last longer than most batteries before recharging.

This statement from Gunners Den.."The 300 winchester magnum has enough power, using 180 grain bullets to drop deer well beyond 600 yards and it will take elk at 500 yards."

A 300 mag. bullet only drops about 6.45 inches at 300 yards. Making this shot along with taking rest on the hood of the truck is not impossible. I have dropped deer at around 250 yards with my 308 (legal..hunting in the day time) LOL


Your statement in calling this report "BS" is not justified in my opinion.

Mike

This brings up something that I have talked about before. People doing something illegal when they have a sighting.

This would include night hunting, tresspassing, illegal fishing or any other activity that they would not want everyone to know about. That would include the local game wardens or local law enforcement.

You have to wonder.. how many sightings go un-reported because of this.

Some find it hard to even say anything about what they have seen to start with. They sure don't want to add to the fact that they were parked some place with a certain girl or hunting at night or engaged in some other illegal activity when the encounter happened.

There are most likely alot more sightings happening out there that we never hear about and most likely never will.

Mike (watch1)

Agreed. I think many people would be reluctant to report, especially to local law enforcement.

Yes sir, I was out at my meth lab and saw a bigfoot. I am sure a officer heard nothing after meth lab. Everything else sounded like the teacher from charlie brown---wah wah wahwah.

LOL!

Sorta like the man that was fishing..using dynamite. When he set some off in the river all hell broke loose on the bank. Limbs breaking and loud howls and screams.
I can see him telling his story to the local law enforcement.

Yes sir..when I set that dynamite off... How much did you have and where did you get it?

Mike (watch1)

Well, I do think it odd that he didn't know the caliber.......... but I will give them a pass there.......... whereas 300 yards is not an overly long shot (at least where I grew up) it is a very long shot at night.......

I'm not convinced of this story myself....... but I'm not going to go so far as to say BS...

So the boy didn't know/remember, for sure, exactly what cal. the rifle was. Maybe he was right. Maybe that is exactly what it was. Does that change anything about the report. I mean..the main subject is Bigfoot ..not what rifle he used to shoot the deer. Most likely that was not the main thing on their minds after what happened to them that night.

Talk about getting picky. If you don't believe this report ..don't even bother reading the next one.

I could go and change the report and take that remark about the cal. of the rifle out. Would that make you happy?

I won't..because I post them just like I get them. Always have and always will.

Mike (watch1)

It's just that especially as a young'in I know I was very interested in what everyone was shooting....... always asked and always took a look......

Not all are as interested I'm sure.............

I, for one, certainly hope you post them as you get them.

After pondering this thread over today, it's understandable how unimportant details can be forgotten in light of having an experience with BF. The hunt itself kind of pales in comparison to the end result of having an eight foot tall, bipedal, gorilla-like animal pounce on your kill and claim it for his own. Yeah, that would pretty much render everything else moot if it were me. :new_weirdsmiley:

I can't help but question the distance though. A 300 yard night-time shot, even with a .300 Win-Mag rifle and coon lights, would be a difficult shot. UNLESS, that scope was night vision capable. That changes things and puts the shot into the "much easier" category. Or, if they had a 1-3 million candlepower spotlight they were spotlighting the deer with. But, the coon lights I've seen just don't have that much throw.
Now, another thing that occurs to me is the boys' age which, in this case, weighs in their favor. My eyes were FAR better at seventeen then they are now. At that age, my eyesight was better than 20/20 and my nightsight was very good too. Can't say the same for my now 49 YO eyes.

For me, there is no question about the caliber of the rifle itself. The .300 Win-Mag is a very capable round. Capable of taking anything on this continent that walks. Possibly even the massive hairy one if(God forbid!) need be. It sure wouldn't be my first choice for that job though!(Thinking somewhere along the lines of a .458 Win-Mag as the minimum for self defense against a BF.) :anim_horse:

From the reading I have done about "truth tells" in testimony, the inclusion of negatively affecting information (like the admission of wrongdoing), is generally considered an overall indicator of truthfullness. That is, a person who is setting out to falsify a story is not likely to include information that will actually hurt himself in some way.

I work hard for my deer. Anything that tried to take a carcass away from me, would have to eat several 12-gauge slugs in the process.

I’m thinking what we may have is someone misjudging the distance, I have a 3 million candle power light that I use to look for lost cows at night and being able to see a cow at night much over a 150 yards is difficult, you may pickup eye shine much farther, but seeing what it the shine is coming from is difficult. When I was young we coon hunted with a car headlight attached to a motorcycle battery and by the way my coon gun was a 300 also. Got big mean coon in northern AL & GA, this was about 30/35 years ago.

There was this one guy his initials was RC people always claimed he could shoot a deer on a moon light night for several hundred yards and he had his barn full of racks. I asked, him about that once and he advised that people will tell you anything, but ne did not deny or admit to it.

I had a guy advise he had a deer tied up in a tree he was going to return and retrieve the next morning and found it gone. It was in a remote part of Pigeon Mountain not far from the AL line.

What I think happened was this. These boys were out riding the back roads looking at the deer. From what I understand they had seen several and had not even tried to shoot one.
Then they seen this one standing out there in the open field at that distance and it was a challenge. It was getting late and they might have decided just to see if they could even hit the deer that far. It was one of those brag shots. As for being able to see the deer..I have night hunted and know that seeing one that far is no problem. Those green eyes shine bright and you can see the crosshairs in the scope with no problem. Just put the crosshairs between those bright green eyes and slowly pull the trigger. They also had a good moon light and might have been able to see the whole deer through the scope. It doesn't take night vision scope to be able to see with a good moon. Just need a good scope.

I was a teenager at one time myself..LOL and I know how one thinks. This was a brag shot and if they had missed the deer it would have been no big deal. I give them credit for going out to get the deer. Some would have just let it lay there.

Just to let all know..I have not night hunted for deer or anything else for several years. I have not even killed a deer in several years. I would rather watch them than shoot them. After all..who can deer hunt while watching for Bigfoot? LOL

Why did they leave their rifle when they went to get the deer? It is a job to drag a big deer for 300 yards. You don't want to be carrying anything more than you have to. Anyone that has ever done it can tell you.

The researcher who talked with the witness told me he had no problem with the story the witness gave him. He believed the witness was telling the truth. Knowing what I do about activities such as this everything fits and I believe the story is true and that is why I posted it. If I had any doubt about it I would pull the report and that goes for the rest of them I have posted.

Mike (watch1)

I know that's right. A good scope has light-gathering abilities that are nothing short of amazing. Although the best I've looked thru that were exceptional light-gatherers were the high-$$ models like Zeiss, Nikon, Leopold and so on...

And, as a teenager, I was pretty well convinced that I was above the law and they couldn't catch me anyway because I was faster and smarter.
I look back now and frequently wonder how I made it to adulthood. :pinch:

<derail thread><random technical info>What you need for optimum light gathering is that the objective of the scope in mm divided by the magnification be as close to 7 as possible. This is 7mm the size of a fully dark adapted pupil in the eye of the user. However, older folks might not see any difference when it's only 5mm because older eyes don't adapt as far. That's why 7x50 binoculars are known as "night glasses". Other optimum combos might be 6x42, 5x35, 4x28 etc. I remember I had a 4x scope that had a tiny 15mm objective and I tried mounting it on a 60mm telescope as a finder, it was quite useless, I could see stars with the naked eye that I couldn't see with the finder scope. I pulled off it's eyepiece and mated it with a 35mm binocular objective, and that was a pretty amazing combo.</random technical info></derail thread>

I know what you mean. Amazing I am still here.

Mike



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Do you think that this animal, as big as a black angus, leaping from a great height out of a tree atop the carcass, was in order to tenderize the meat?

Did anybody check to see what the moon phase and moon rise/set time was on the encounter date?

Unfortunately the witness doesn't give a certain date so it would be hard to tell moon phase.

Just posted a NEW report on the site.

NorthWest Alabama .. January 23, 2007

Alabama Bigfoot Research

Very interesting report.



Mike (watch1)

Very interesting report. I took a look at the pics of the area, that's some beautiful country.

I wish I knew the area. I am in North Al. I would run over and do some scouting this weekend.

I wish I could tell you but as you can see from the report itself..

County: Not disclosed at the request of the witnesses, their families and area residents.

Nearest City or Town: Not disclosed.

Location: These and other related encounters occurred in the Northwest quarter of the State.

Nearest highway or road: Not disclosed.

If I posted it I would not be keeping a promise that was made. If I did ..I doubt I would be posting any more from that area.

Mike (watch1)

I understand you could always come up my way and I would ride that way with you. :wink:

hey watch1 good afternoon wow very interesting alabama sasquatch encounter, are going to post photos of the sighting location or photos of possible sasquatch evidence found at the location. thanks bill

Actually, the County is listed on the report as Winston. The nearest city is listed as Arley. Shouldn't be too hard to find since it's bounded by County Road 41 on the west side, County Road 77 on the south side and the Lewis Smith Lake on the northwest side. The sighting must have occurred off Hwy 77 since that's the highway they listed as the nearest highway or road in the report. The specific area of the encounter is private land only a short distance from the eastern border of the southernmost part of the William B. Bankhead National Forest. It also states the encounter occurred near the Brushy Creek prong of Smith Lake which narrows it down even more. Someone familiar with maps should be able to use all of the landmarks above and narrow that down reasonably I would think.

I've taken the liberty of printing the report complete with investigator name Tal H. Branco and Mike's first and last name and forwarded that to:

Ed Townsend, Sheriff
P. O. Box 147
Winston County Courthouse
Double Springs, AL 35553-0147

It is my fervent hope they will urge Mike and Mr. Branco to release the names of the poachers to law enforcement so they can be prosecuted for poaching deer by means of spotlighting.

While I understand witness confidentiality is vitally important, I don't think we owe any anonymity to people who admit their sighting was accomplished while committing a crime.

And this will help Bigfoot research in what way?

I have done the same thing back in my younger days..you can send your report to whomever you please.

I now plant food plots and feed the deer year round..and I haven't shot a deer since the first Gulf War. I guess being around a lot of killing makes you look at things a little differently. I still like to hunt and fish but I do more hunting with my camera than anything else.

Mike (watch1)

Hey Bill,

The group is still looking into this sighting and I will post anything that they find in the future. The prints that they found had been rained in and not in great shape. I hope they will find some fresh tracks and maybe get some pictures and make some casts.

Mike (watch1)

Hey ARsquatch,

You might send that note to the Alabama Game and Fish Department.

That way..when they call I will answer their questions..when they answer mine. I have a list of them that need answers.

Mike (watch1)

Let me get this straight, you're admitting to spotlighting deer (which is a crime) in your younger days too? That would certainly explain your nonchalant attitude toward the activities of your witnesses.

What exactly does that have to do with your military history? I applaud your service to this country, but that doesn't excuse criminal activity otherwise. I think poaching is despicable and irresponsible. What I think doesn't matter. The important thing is it is illegal. Your legal system there may not do anything at all with the information, but at least I'll know I did my part.

Teresa

well ed townsend is a relative of mine and i live within a ten minute drive of all of this.

1 our deer is so overpoplated despite a season that runs from oct 15 all the way to tomorrow jan 31 and a deer a day limit for everyone and two during doe days which was 37 days in my county that noone gives a rats butt if some teens are out shining deer when there is real crime to worry with. they are seriously considering extending our deer season all the way through feb despite record numbers killed in the last few years.
2 ed wont do anything. i know he will not. its fact. youre wasting your time
3 there are still a good deal of people that live in the country that will take their chances shooting a deer with a light etc as opposed to being a welfare case etc. its called living off the land. SO people here just odnt take it serious seeing as how those damned deer are like roachs and eat all the crops etc around here.
4 when crops are being wiped out the wardens here will give permission for folks to shoot deer with alight to protect their crops. how do we know they didnt have that permission?
5 the area you are worried about is in the Arley police jurisdiction. Yep Arley all 300 of them has a police force of four. Chief Aaron Brown is a good friend and a former officer that came to this town to semi retire form law enforcement in larger cities. Helll he will laugh at your report and toss it.
6 why would you undemine someones efforts to put info out there to be used by others? if you dont like how we do things down here thats fine. but when you go out fo your way to cause trouble for folks making reports isnt that counterproductive? Do younot think those boys have read this page? What if they know more or know others who know more? Will they come forward now that your worried about whats going on thousands of miles away from your own home and want to stir the pot?

In the south we take care of our own. We police ourselves. And no we dont like others from other places trying to tell us whats right and wrong anf how we should function just like we dont do it to others living
elsewhere

for the record i have no alliance etc with mike etc. ive never spoken to him outside of a thread or two here.

I just odnt like the whole condescending attitude and outing private info or attempting to.

So you are about an hour or so from me. I shine lights in fields at night I don't kill the deer though.
Good to hear the support for your friends and relatives. Let me know if you have any good areas to scout out.

I got a good friend in Arley and we have had some great times, but I sure aint gonna talk about nothing now that 'Miss Tattletail' has revealed herself. I aint worried about Ed Townsend finding out, what I did wouldn't bother him no more than them night shot deer, but this Arsquatch gal might go and tell my wife. That scares me more than a Bigfoot stealing my supper, and if you seen my wife, and had to pick facing her wrath or fighting a bigfoot, well ol' hairy better get ready cause me or him one is a leaving them woods toting an ass whooping!