Hi, I'm new to posting here and since I've never encounterred a bigfoot or even known anyone who has all that leaves the option of posting is questions, so here goes with my very first one:

In the movie 'Legend of Boggy Creek" the Fouke Monster is described as having 3 toes, yet nowhere else have I heard of a similiar creature such as "Boggy" (MSTied version of Legend of Boggycreek 2 rules!!) for example the Skunkape, or even Yeti as having anything less then 5 toes. Do they still report the Fouke Monster as having 3 toes or have they 'changed' the desctription?

Hi Exeplis!! I'm glad you decided to post!

There are other reports of 3 toed creatures in Northwest Louisiana. I saw some a long time ago, but haven't seen any since then personally. They do still occur according to reports, though many dismiss them as misindenitifications or tracks that are only partial imprints. I differ with that opinion only because I have seen otherwise.

There are a few threads around here somewhere about number of toes and the hypothetical reasons why that may be. It's good reading and might help answer your questions. By the way...questions are good! They make us all think.

There are still 3 toed tracks coming out of the Fouke area, but the ones I've seen don't look the same as the ones I saw many years ago. They resemble the Honey Island Swamp Monster tracks which is not believed by some to be a typical bigfoot.

Welcome to BFF!

Welcome Exeplis!

Welcome to the BFF Exeplis!

Great questions! Though I haven't a clue how to answer them

My best guess is genetic abnormality in certain squatches, carried on through generations. Kind of like how humans are occasionally born with polydactyly.

Or perhaps even an injury to the foot/feet. I smashed my right foot years ago working in a foundry, and my toes are all messed up. When I leave prints, the right foot looks pretty wierd.

Glad to have you aboard!!!!!

Welcome Exeplis. I believe Arky already answered all the questions I could have answered so all I can say is welcome to the Bigfoot Forum.

You got that right!!!

Welcome to the BFF, Exeplis.

Welcome, Exeplis!

I vote for variations in numbers of toes in certain genetic lines… a genetic defect, as it were…

Sounded good, anyway...

Exeplis, welcome to BFF.

great place exeplis,hang around you'll see oh almost forgot welcome

Welcome Exeplis More questions? ask anytime, great bunch here

Speaking of Questions, Grover, that sounds like a nasty reminder of your accident. Got a Q for you. Do you think your injury could be similar to what a sasquatch could receive in some sort of parallel situation?
If so is there any comparison you could give us? (Don't unless you are into it..) I guess I was wondering maybe if we could see what kind of footprint you might leave with a healed smashed foot. No biggy but curious always !! I hope it gives you no trouble and you meet interesting people because of it I remember the Washington state Bossburg prints that Grover Krantz worked on along with others and its interesting that our Grover has a foot situation too.

I would like to see some casts or drawings of 3 toed tracks, even the 4 toes ones. I wonder how humanlike or ape like they appear.

Wow, thanks everyone for the reception, I was quite stunned at the out-pouring of "welcome aboards" you all sure make a person feel right at home. lol Anyhoo, in thinking more about the Fouke Monster, has there been any recent sightings? Whenever doing a search for it online I'm almost always linked to a "here's the deal" type story about the encounters from back along time ago. If their hasnt been anything new reported in years is it possible that it was just a lone creature wanderring that area and that by now its dead?

I'll bet Arkansan can give you a good answer to that once she sees your post, Exeplis.

Beleted, day late, all that jazz...welcome Exeplis!
ya is on the best board of any type out there.(had to dispense with my usual cavet that it's the best bigfoot board...cause as far as I have seen, it's the best board period!.....mandatory suck up to bipto for the day..)
Enjoy, as questions, show us your blob squatch.

welcome exeplis...glad to have you....saw in one of your other posts
"dont worry, I dont plan to post too often" or something to that effect
well hell man post away...questions....pics.....rants..(no wait thats jims department) anyhow...whatever you got..were anxious to read it. These are the friendliest, smartest bunch of folks around...enjoy

P.S. not me mind you i just wanted to suck up to the big boys and girls a bit

Streamrunner- I totally think that my injury is very similar to what the Bossburg creature must have suffered: a crushing injury. When it happened to me, I almost lost my big toe and my second toe to amputation after the massive swelling, but the circulation came back, and I still have all my toes! But, my foot is now really funny looking (I even call it my monkey foot). When I leave a track, my right foot shows a huge ball of muscle tissue just under my big toe (which is much shorter now), my second toe doesn't show at all due to being "hammered" permanently upwards, and the entire front end of my foot slopes to the right. I'm quite sure that the Bossburg creature had some sort of accident, the result of which is that freaky track. To me, that lends credence to the Bossburg report. I truly believe that those tracks are legit. As far as the Fouke Monster goes, I'm betting on a genetic abnormality for the three toes.

Now you all know I'm a MUTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry fellow mutant. A lawnmower helped to characterize my right foot just a grunt.

Actually, I only lost the tip of the toe next to my big toe and the force of the blow knocked off the toe nail on the the two toes next to the amputated one. But that's one funny lookin' toe now!

OUCH!!!!

Mutants Unite!!!!

Now, where's that school for the gifted???????

does fingers count?I lost my birdie finger

I think it's right next door to the school for the coordinated.

How'd you lose that bird finger, TH? I had a buddy of mine that lost the tip of his (down to the first knuckle below the fingernail). It looked funny as all get out when he'd flip me off.

Fish, you got it from a lawn mower too? man.
I was really lucky... it only tore off the nail but it felt like somebody took a baseball bat to it and it just chunked the shoe. The whole foot was numb so it wasn't easy to look under the shoe to see the damage. Luckily not much. Sorry to hear you didnt fare as well.


TH My cousin got it from a snow blower so you aint the only one missing that finger He also lost half of the ring finger and luckily didnt have that on at the time he lost it and put his hand in there. (Nope, don't know why, he don't either... ) he he I can remember one of the guys in wood shop too back in high school but nobody wants to hear that one :rolleyes:

No doubt about the shoe taking the brunt of the damage, SR. If anybody is interested Sperry Topsiders are damn fine shoes. Worth every penny!

But I ain't complaining, man. It could have been alot worse. That was my main worry when I pulled my foot out of what was left of my shoe. I was wondering how much of my foot was going to still be in it.

One thing about the whole ordeal that really tickled the crap out of me. After I'd been stitched up and had gone back in for a check up, the surgeon that had worked on my toe went into this long statement about how I'd be able to go around barefoot and folks would probably not even notice. Finally, I couldn't stand it anymore and I asked, "Doc, will I have any problem walking on this foot?" He looked at me like I was the one with weird priorities and said, "Why sure! You won't have any problem at all walking."

The only thing it left me wondering was how many vain people this guy must have worked on in the past. :rolleyes:

Exeplis...I don't know of any actual sightings right in Fouke of likely the same creature. I've heard of a few alledged sightings around there, but who could say if it is of the same creature.

There have been quite a few reports coming out of an area south of Fouke over the past 2 years. I know a guy who is an independent researcher in that area I could put you in contact with, if your interested, who might could help answer that question for you.

One other thing I just remembered. You might try getting in touch with Smokey Crabtree for info on the Fouke Monster too.
His website addy is: http://www.smokeyandthefoukemonster.com

Hey Arky, do you know of anyone that might have photos or casts of the 3-toed prints? I'm real interested in those. Seems there are quite a few reports here in the south with that characteristic.

Thanks,
Jay

P.S. So sorry to have temporarily forget my southern manners....A fine welcome to you Exeplis!

Jaylee, I do know a guy that has 2 casts that are 3 toed from that area that he cast about a year ago. I don't know of any others. He is an independent researcher from that locale and is planning an outing next month in that area. He's a really nice guy and doesn't mind showing the casts to others. They are odd looking to say the least.

If you want to, I can e-mail him about your interest and he can get back to you.

Arky, that would be great. If you would, email him and ask him to contact me. Thanks.

Exeplis....welcome.
Your name sounds latin...does it have a meaning?

Now on to footprints-
The three toes have always puzzled me. Primates have five toes, don't they? Except for accidents of nature or inheritable genetic defects, I think.
Are all the 3 toed prints found in the south? Specific areas? Has anyone mapped this out?
Are the 3 toed prints found in all sizes? Does anyone know the range?
I have seen pictures of Sas tracks with 4 toes but I suspect those fall into the frostbite, injury, catagory. Has anyone mapped the 4 toes or are they all over? Do these come in all sizes or just larger ones?
Lastly, I think 5 toes are the norm. And they appear in all areas and sizes. This is a primate print, no doubt.
OK back to three toes. What additional evidence do we have that these are Sas related? Eyewitnesses? Somehow I am unwilling to believe a Sas has an ostrich like foot. Other than three toes is the rest of the print normal? Do these prints exhibit dermal ridges similiar to the ones that Jimmy Chilcut has authenticated? Has he seen a three toed print or made any comments about them?
As you see lots of questions. Do we have anyone who can help me out here?
Thanks
Jan
p.s NO MORE descriptions of forum members personal boo boo's without pictures.

Ok Jaylee, will do.

Jan, all I can tell you is to do some research into it online and check out how many areas contain 3 toed prints that have been found and photographed or cast. IMHO, it tends to be a southern thing and only in bottomland flat watery areas.

I don't know the reasons why a primate sometimes has digits that are not the norm, maybe inbreeding, maybe genetics, maybe an adaptation to local terrain. I don't know, just know it happens even in human primates.

From experience that I can recall from years ago, the 3 toed ones I saw did not even remotely resemble an ostrich track or alligator track as some I've seen online. They were basic footprints like the 5 toes ones, but with a narrower heel and 3 toes in alignment across the top in ovaltype shapes with the first toe being larger than the other two. There were small tracks like possible juvenile tracks and larger ones. (approx. 13" Ranshirl? I can't remember.)

As far as additional evidence that personally supports our own observations, my grandmother watched the bigfoot-like hairy upright bipedal creature walk across the dirt road and step over a barbed wire fence, leaving the 3-toed track in it's wake. This track matched the others we had been seeing before and then afterward. This being why I am here to begin with. Was it an abnomaly? I don't know. I would have been inclined to believe it was just a deformity, but not with the smaller second one having the same features. I am more inclined to believe it is just an adaptation to a specific region.

I have no idea if anyone has cast any with dermal ridges as of yet. Chilcutt had not studied one yet as of the last conference I attended. I would love to find one with dermals to send to him. But I haven't heard of any reports of 3-toed ones around my area.

You know Jaylee, I got to thinking about those track casts that guy has I was talking about and I might be wrong, they might have been 4 toed. I will e-mail him and ask again. I just remember them being something different than the traditional 5 toed ones, and similar to the Honey Island Swamp Monster tracks.

The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

I'll let you know.

Arky as I can remember it was tracks about 12 or 13 inches.

T hanks Lisa
That was a question I had too regarding Jimmy Chilcutt & whether or not he had seen any 3toed with dermals.
I had heard of 4 toed ones before from other people but nobody seems to have much information on the 3 toed stuff. I shouldn't say it that way, I guess I should just say "I" haven't been able to talk to anyone who has much information there. If anybody has stuff they feel comfortable in sharing I sure would appreciate it.
I will review stuff on this forum regarding it before I ask any "dumb" questions. Its sure interesting stuff. I presume that the detail off Smokey's casts are not fine enough ? Or ?? (hey, that could be dumb Q#1 already started )

SR...I haven't seen Smokey's casts, so I can't help with that.

hehehe got a scar fetish there Jan ?

I dont doubt that there are animals running around with a different number of toes, i've seen/heard way to much wierd sh*t ... 3 toed, 4 toed, 5 toed (even a 2 toed incident ).. for now, i try to keep em all the same critter, just because the descriptions are pretty much the same - upright walking/running, furry, long arms.
Different animals ? maybe. But for now, all the same (until we can classify the dang things)


(i have a strange scar, but i'd have to git nekkid to show people ... )

Hi, I'm new to posting here and since I've never encounterred a bigfoot or even known anyone who has all that leaves the option of posting is questions, so here goes with my very first one:

In the movie 'Legend of Boggy Creek" the Fouke Monster is described as having 3 toes, yet nowhere else have I heard of a similiar creature such as "Boggy" (MSTied version of Legend of Boggycreek 2 rules!!) for example the Skunkape, or even Yeti as having anything less then 5 toes. Do they still report the Fouke Monster as having 3 toes or have they 'changed' the desctription?

Exeplis, first of all, welcome to the forum!

To get to the meat of your question about the Fouke monster, I think you'll find some of your answers here:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_article.asp?id=259
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_article.asp?id=260
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_article.asp?id=258

I live fairly close to the Fouke region as the crow flies, and remember vividly as a child the horror of the "monster" sightings, the photos in the newspapers of the three toed prints in the bean field, and the first movie "The Legend of Boggy Creek" which I saw shortly after the newspapers picked up the story, and the sketch of the hairy monster with the red glowing eyes, drawn being posted in our local newspaper in Little River County.

Here are the addresses of reports that I know of coming out of the Fouke region as well as a few counties over, the Little River County region:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2104
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=4090
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1944

as well as this one out of Texarkana, TX, Bowie County:
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1631
If you watched the original Legend of Boggy Creek movie you know that The person named Ford who was allegedly assaulted by the "Fouke monster" was taken to a hospital in Texarkana, a city split by the state line between Texas and Arkansas.

As far as I know the tracks still coming from the areas are the three toed variety.

The above is responsible for my interest in this subject matter.

I hope this is what you were looking for.

Teresa

I have seen photos of the three toed tracks out of Fouke as well as photos of the cast(s). There are indeed three toes. The rest of the foot is very long and narrow, not wide as in the five toed PNW variety. They did not look bird like to me at all.

Fish: I lost my finger in school, welding,I was running a grinder and the stone broke sending jagged metal through my birdie finger shredded it, and cut my pointer in half long ways. my pointer was fixable but the other was gone a little past the second knuckle just a nub.so now when I flip people off with it I tell them they are not worth the whole bird so i give em half

Thanks for the post ARsquatch! I'm glad we have at least one other person here besides me and Ranshirl who has seen them!

Hey ARsquatch,Like Arky said I am also glad to see someone who has seen them.

Arky and Ranshirl, one of the reasons that I asked about this is, you know the last guy you sent me the report on Arky that lived in the very community that I do? Well, he told me on the phone that he had seen some tracks back in 1979-1980 around the place that he had his sighting, but he didn't know now if they were bf because they only had 3 toes! I would love to get a picture of what is available and send it to him and let him tell us if that is what he saw.

Yep, I think it's a southern thang!

Thanks for those articles there Arsquatch, I found them very interesting, and finally know which of the high-points from Legend of Boggy Creek were based on true accounts and how they varied from the movie re-enactments.
JanV- Exeplis is simply a nonsense name I came up with off the top of my head when I began chatting online which was about 5 years ago now.

There's definitely strength in numbers there Arkansan and Ranshirl. They were deep and they were narrow at the heel and definitely had three toes.

BTW the little blonde kid that was fishing in the first Boggy Creek movie...Corky Hill... I knew him. Small world I guess.

Teresa

Kewl!! I would love to be able to find some more and photograph them and get some casts! That would be awesome. Even better if we could find some with dermal ridges.

One of my goals is get a 3-toed cast eventually, with dermals that Chilcutt can look at.

Yeah that would be great if he could found some tracks we could get a cast made from you might check back and find out. Do you know where it was that he had the sighting? It might be worth checking out.

The place where he had the sighting has been clear cut, stripped of all vegetation and a freeway now runs right through the middle of this swamp. The property is actually only about, I'd say 2 miles at the most to the northeast of my home. There has been so much building going on in that area that I'm afraid the bf probably steer clear.

But, this creek that he saw the one in empties into a massive bayou type bottom land. In fact......I just remembered that another friend of mine used to squirrel hunt in that bottom and there's a story he tells about something following him out of the bottom late one evening! He said he always believed it to be a large bear but he did say it would walk when he did and stop when he did. Hummmmmm. He's in Texas at a baseball tournament til Monday, but I'll see if he can tell me the story again and I'll post.

P.S. One other thing the guy reporting told me was that he found what he called a "large doodoo pile" that was fresh. Also said that the smell in the area at the time was so strong that he thought it had to be the sewer pond. But, looking at the map, the pond would have been 5 miles from where he was.

I remember Lisa talking about something that followed her one time.

Yeah... It might be worth asking him when he gets back!

Lisa has an excellent idea, Ranshirl. To get a three-toed cast and let Jim Chilcutt check out the dermal ridges. I know there have been a few three-toed tracks and many four-toed tracks found in East Texas. Chester Jr. in his book, "Bigfoot South", feels that it could be the result of geographically isolated populations doing a little inbreeding. Foot anomalies, as well as others, do run in families in isolated areas, like a little town, who marry their cousins because that's all there is around to marry. And there is a tribe in Africa where three-toed human feet abound for the same reason.

Whatever, I hope Lisa finds her three-toed track in Arkansas. As determined a young woman as she is, I predict that she will.

I just had the good fortune of meeting Chester Moore at a fishing seminar he did in Houston. I brought my copy of Bigfoot South to get signed and we talked about the three toes phenomenon. He said a few months ago he made his first-ever good cast of a three-toed track and still leans toward his inbreeding theory in the book. I think thats as logical an answer for the problem of different numbers of toes by region as someone could come up with. By the way, Chester is a very nice fellow and I suspect he will be one of the leaders of this purusit in the future. Actually he is kind of one now.

I just wanted to let everyone know that there is a photo of one of the 3 toed tracks that Willie Smith cast from the soybean field in an article on our website. Here is the link:
Fouke Monster