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BigfootDad
Hey there,
I rec'd an advance, uncorrected proof of Dr. Meldrum's book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" and it's incredible - as you might expect!

Here's my initial review. I started detailing the highlights of the first few chapters just to illustrate how he takes each topic and adds a wonderul "meldrum-twist" to each one! It was a long read - meaning, it's chock full of information and even the most die-hard bigfoot enthusiast won't breeze through this book...lots of great info! and the photos are great...even in this edition which only has black & white photos and no cover art...this book ROCKS!!
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Book Review

By Tom Yamarone

Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science
By Jeff Meldrum
(A Forge Book, published by Tom Doherty and Associates, New York)

Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science by Jeff Meldrum is one of the most comprehensive treatments of the subject since Sasquatch - The Apes Among Us by John Green (Hancock House, 1977 & 2006) and Meet the Sasquatch by Christopher Murphy in association with John Green and Thomas Steenburg (Hancock House, 2004). In this book he shares his 10 years of research with us along with in depth analyses of the topics touched upon in the ground breaking documentary Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science (produced by Doug Hajicek, White Wolf Productions, 2003). Indeed, the book project was intended as a companion piece to the documentary - and it is - but it also contains much more. In many ways this book takes the various facets of sasquatch evidence and research to a new level thanks to the insight of Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum.

For many years Dr. Meldrum has contributed to the body of bigfoot research with his analyses of the footprint casts and his research on bipedal locomotion - not to mention his personal field research and his recent association with the North American Ape Project.

The introductory chapter is a personal journal of Jeff Meldrum's journey in the world of bigfoot. It's a fascinating account of his association with prominent sasquatch researchers such as Dr. Grover Krantz (to whom the book is dedicated), Richard Greenwell, Paul Freeman, Doug Hajicek and others. I had always heard about the expedition into the Siskiyou Wilderness with Richard Greenwell and it's a story that's been retold at many a campfire in Northern California. Herein, we get the first-hand account of that expedition along with some fantastic photographs from the "early years"� of Dr. Meldrum's exploration. We also are treated to the account of his first major track way discovery while visiting with Paul Freeman near the Blue Mountains of Washington in 1996.

Chapter 1 is about Cryptozoology. Now, you might be expecting a general definition of the search for unknown animals and the usual treatment involving the coelacanth and the okapi. He takes it a huge bound further and tackles in a very convincing manner the topics of the yeti, the Shipton footprint photo, the recent discovery of Homo floresiensis, some early accounts of the sasquatch in anthropology research in the Pacific Northwest and bigfoot in California. He concludes, "A growing number of scientists no longer perceive the sasquatch as an extraordinary possibility. For some, it boils down to a question of the probability or likelihood that such an animal could exist unconfirmed at this time in this place."

Chapter 2 tackles the Ray Wallace wooden feet fiasco - mostly a fiasco with the media, I might add - and settles that claim once and for all. It's a very thorough accounting of what went on in the Bluff Creek area in 1958 and soon thereafter with Jerry Crew, Bob Titmus, Al Hodgson and other key players at that time. Comparative illustrations and original photographs are utilized to further his explanation of this matter.

Chapter 3 deals with the Native American traditional knowledge of this animal and, again, Dr. Meldrum's insight takes us a level deeper. He delves into some of the early treatment that the Wildman of the Woods received and cleverly finds parallels in the behavior of the great apes - something only brought to light in the last few decades thanks to the research in primatology since the late 1950s. "For the Native American as with many ethnic populations around the world, the realms of the 'natural' and the 'supernatural' exist as one seamless reality. Sasquatch is a definite feature of that reality."

Chapter 4 is about Gigantopithecus and he has some unique opinions that differ with what we have come to know about this ancient giant ape. One is that he believes there is evidence in the wear on the tooth enamel that indicates it was more than just a bamboo eater; indeed, it was likely more of the general omnivore like a chimpanzee. And he also makes the case for bipedalism that Grover Krantz championed in his day. This chapter ends with an in-depth treatment of the "where are the bones"� question. Like most of the subjects dealt with in this amazing book, the author is always adding fascinating details and examples that aren't found in previous books featuring similar topics.

The rest of the book continues with excellent coverage of the following topics: the Skookum cast, the Patterson-Gimlin film, behavioral parallels with the great apes, alleged bigfoot vocalizations, statistical analyses of footprint data, the evidence of footprints, dermatoglyphics, DNA and physical evidence. He was intricately involved in the initial analysis of the Skookum cast and has many personal insights to share. There is a chapter retelling the Patterson-Gimlin film event utilizing the personal recollections of Bob Gimlin - indeed, some rare insight into that momentous occasion.

The book succeeds not only due to the outstanding writing, but thanks to the contributions of a multitude of researchers who cooperated on this project. There are some amazing photographs that have never been published - one especially remarkable photograph of John Green showing the residents of Agassiz, B.C. a footprint cast in the late 1950s or early 1960s.

The foreword is an illuminating essay by renowned gorilla researcher George B. Schaller. He states that he is intrigued by this subject, but is neither a believer nor does he reject the possibility that the sasquatch exists. He profoundly reminds us that "so far searches for these humanlike beings have been based on short expeditions, casual outings or dependent on lucky encounters. A good field study of a species is based upon months and years of work, of living in the wilderness to examine spoor and monitor shadowed forest trails, hoping for contact." Appropriately, Jane Goodall is thanked in the author's acknowledgments "for affording the time to read and endorse this book and to hazard an open position of acknowledgment of the value and need for this inquiry." Perhaps we will someday witness the results of just what Dr. Schaller is calling for - and be privy to the reports of a future "Jane Goodall" in sasquatch research. If so, we will know that this book will be in the possession of that researcher in that isolated forest canyon deep in the North American wilderness.

Any sasquatch enthusiast will treasure this book because it covers the subject thoroughly and is punctuated with fantastic photographs. The information contained in these pages will not only bolster the search for a resolution to this mystery, it will convince many skeptics that indeed there is a great possibility that we share our world with a large, hirsute unknown hominid. Congratulations, Jeff Meldrum and all who worked on this project. It is a landmark publication in the realm of sasquatch research and information.

Additional Information:
The book contains 16 chapters, a selected bibliography, an index and is 304 pages.

It will be released September 19, 2006 and can be pre-ordered at Amazon.com.
The hard cover edition sells for $17.61 there, discounted from the $27.95 list price.
Here is a link to the amazon.com page: Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science (da Book)
billgreen2005bigfoot
hey bigfootdad wow your lucky hehe that book about bigfoot sounds very interesting & informative.... thanks bill green
LAL
This is one of the few times in my life I've wanted time to fly. I preordered in May. I think I'll order a second copy - one to read and one to leave on the shelf where my spilled coffee can't get it.
maxx
I'm looking forward to reading, but not looking foward to it being quoted 1,000,001 times in nearly every debate, from the day of its release on...lol
SFork1015
I have pre-ordered mine from Amazon.com. It's being sold at a really great price. Look forward to reading it.
Paul1968UK
I am looking forward to seeing what Meldrum says about his analysis of and subsequent proclamation that the 'Snowwalker' couldn't be a man in a suit.
maxx
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Aug 24 2006, 02:07 PM) *
I am looking forward to seeing what Meldrum says about his analysis of and subsequent proclamation that the 'Snowwalker' couldn't be a man in a suit.


My guess is that chapter didn't make it in the final version.
Blackdog
From an excerpt printed on the Amazon website; starting half way down the page.
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Excerpt. © Reprinted by permission. All rights reserved.
Introduction


The Internet has provided a novel and readily accessible forum for the exchange of ideas and information. Like Hajicek, other witnesses frequently submit reports of their encounters with sasquatch to the many sites on the Internet concerned with the topic. The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization was one of an overwhelming number of websites that one is confronted with when searching the Internet for information relating to sasquatch or bigfoot. It was the one that captured Hajicek’s attention and subsequently cooperate during the development of the documentary concept. Many of the pioneering scientists Hajicek would work with were associated at one time or another with the BFRO. For a time the BFRO took the lead among a new generation of amateur and professional investigators. There were a number of organizations of various stripe, but the BFRO boldly touted the distinction of being “the only scientific organization probing the Bigfoot/Sasquatch mystery.” A rather grandious assertion perhaps, but, in so far as efforts were made by its investigators to adhere to the principles and methods of scientific research during the collection, handling, and evaluation of objective evidence, that standard was applied with varying success. Like any community, the BFRO was not without its volatile personalities, egos, strong wills, deep-seated opinions, conflicting agendas, and other controversies. However, in spite of intermittent lapses, there has been a degree of cooperation, collegiality, and professionalism among its individual membership.

Matthew Moneymaker, the founder and driving force behind the organization, recruited and sometimes rode rough shod over a line-up of amateur curators and investigators with varied skills and backgrounds. Affiliated with their ranks have been a number of credentialed scientists -- primatologists, anthropologists, archaeologists, wildlife biologists, geologists, and engineers, which pursue a professional interest in the matter. Some of the most dedicated field researchers, however, have little, or no formal training in the sciences, but often possess a vast experience in the outdoors and keen powers of observation and discernment. The self-described aim of the BFRO is as follows:

The mission of the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization (BFRO) is multifaceted, but the organization essentially seeks to resolve the mystery surrounding the Bigfoot phenomenon, that is, to derive conclusive documentation of the species' existence. This goal is pursued through the proactive collection of empirical data and physical evidence from the field and by means of activities designed to promote an awareness and understanding of the nature and origin of the evidence.

The BFRO, the oldest and largest organization of its kind, is directed by a virtual community of scientists, journalists, and specialists from diverse backgrounds. The researchers who compose the BFRO are engaged in projects, including field and laboratory investigations, designed to address various aspects of the bigfoot phenomenon. As a result of the education and experience of its members and the quality of their efforts, the BFRO is widely considered as the most credible and respected investigative network involved in the study of this subject.

When compelling evidence is collected by or submitted to the BFRO, it is presented to scientific and forensic specialists for evaluation. The BFRO organizes and reports observations and data and publishes research material. Through this process, the BFRO steadily improves the size and scope of its collective expertise.

Those in the organization anticipate that this emphasis on cooperation and professionalism is not only the most realistic approach to resolving the mystery, but that it furthers the BFRO's long term goal: determining how these rare and elusive animals can and should be protected and studied after their existence is generally acknowledged by governmental agencies and the scientific community.

Admittedly, this is not a wholly “scientific” posture, i.e. “to derive conclusive documentation of the species’ existence.” The strictly scientific stance would be to seek to resolve the question of the existence of sasquatch either way, without any appearance of a “pro-Bigfoot” bias. To its credit, the BFRO investigators are routinely c...
Hairy Man
I got my book from Amazon and have already read it. I HIGHLY recommend that everyone who is serious about bigfoot get this book. It addresses most, if not all, of the evidence currently cited for (and against) bigfoot being a real species. There are several topics, like how Meldrum became interested in the subject in the first place, Chilcutt's work (I didn't know there were glyphs on two prints from Onion Mountain), and the work in DNA that I only knew pieces of, but not the whole picture. I appreciate this information finally all being in one place!
tugboatwa
Having failed to receive a review copy, I went out and purchased one of two copies on the shelf of the book at Barnes and Noble. Will post a review when I finish it.
Carl Kolchak
Heh!heh! Just got my copy last night. Had to go to two Borders bookstores to get it. Went looking for it first on Thursday. The bookstore showed they had it in stock on their computer system but they couldn't find it in the store. (Dang it! Had to wait til Friday)
Anyways, I love the book jacket. Hope to meet Dr. Meldrum again someday so he can sign it.
RayG
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ Sep 24 2006, 03:41 PM) *
(I didn't know there were glyphs on two prints from Onion Mountain)


Hidey-ho HM, I have the book on order through my local library, but until it arrives could you elaborate on what you mean by "glyphs"?

RayG
Hairy Man
QUOTE(RayG @ Sep 30 2006, 08:21 AM) *
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ Sep 24 2006, 03:41 PM) *
(I didn't know there were glyphs on two prints from Onion Mountain)


Hidey-ho HM, I have the book on order through my local library, but until it arrives could you elaborate on what you mean by "glyphs"?

RayG


Dermatoglyphics...I had no clue there were two Onion Mountain casts that had dermatoglyphics present (I thought there was only the one that is so often discussed as a pouring artifact).
Susan
I also have this book, having ordered it after hearing Meldrum on the Michael Medved show a week ago.

I'm enjoying it very much and highly recommend it to anyone interested in the subject. I just passed the part where he talks about Kathy's work with the Yokuts and the Hairy Man pictographs. :icon14:
Hairy Man
That's my favorite part!!! :laugh: I like the color photograph too, it is nice to see it there!
RayG
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ Sep 30 2006, 04:05 PM) *
Dermatoglyphics...I had no clue there were two Onion Mountain casts that had dermatoglyphics present (I thought there was only the one that is so often discussed as a pouring artifact).


Thanks HM.

RayG
LAL
I'm reading it for the second time.

Yes, there were dermal ridges on Skookum heel strikes examined by Jimmy Chilcutt and confirmed to be consistant with other casts.

I'm anxiously awaiting a discussion thread on the book. Have enough people read it yet?
RayG
Still waiting for a copy to arrive at the local library. In the meantime, any further info about the DNA testing on the bits of apple?

And, speaking of dermal ridges on the Skookum heel strike, were these on the original on-site heel strike, or the cast of the heel strike?

RayG
LAL
Meldrum noticed the skin ridge detail as he cleaned the cast (pg.117). A thin...........

Wait a minute.

Buy the book, cheapskate. Don't wait for the library. :wink:
bipto
Since Meldrum was not present when the cast was made, he would not be able to say if the ridges were visible when the casting material was poured (and makes no mention of it). That's a question best directed at Rick Noll. Either it was observed by him or one of the other expedition members or it might have been photographed prior to the cast being made. [EDIT - OR it might already be mentioned on one of the six hundred pages of posts already dedicated to the cast! :laugh:]

Here is the paragraph mentioning skin ridges on the Skookum heel impression (from page 117):

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Of particular interest to me was what could only be interpreted as a distinct heel impression. As I meticulously removed the encrusting soil, it appeared that the heel bore skin ridge detail. Once the heel was thoroughly cleaned, a thin latex peel was made of the skin detail. Consultations over the apparent dermatoglyphics, or skin ridges, were had with latent fingerprint examiner, Jimmy Chilcutt. He found them to be consistent in texture and appearance with other specimens of purported sasquatch tracks exhibiting such skin ridge detail (more will be said on this matter in chapter 14).



QUOTE(LAL @ Sep 30 2006, 08:14 PM) *
Buy the book, cheapskate. Don't wait for the library. :wink:

Yeah, what LAL said! :laugh:
RayG
QUOTE(LAL @ Sep 30 2006, 09:14 PM) *
Buy the book, cheapskate. Don't wait for the library. :wink:


Heh, if I bought EVERY book I read, I'd never have enough money to feed the hungry horde (the 8 kids still at home) :laugh:

I picked up two books today, and have another 12 on order. Included amongst those 12 are LMS, Bigfoot Casebook, and Bigfoot Exposed. As you've probably guessed, I spend a LOT of time reading, and I read multiple books at once. (got 4 on the go right now)

If LMS catches my fancy enough, I'll certainly purchase it, but there's no harm in trying before buying. :wink:

RayG
LAL
Meldrum's book is worth more than all the others put together, IMO. You can get a deal on the updated casebook and Jeff's book on Amazon. I got Bigfoot Exposed from the library because I didn't want to waste any money on it. It was good for some laughs, though, especially the part about faking dermal ridges via long distance telephone.

I'm glad you're getting LMS, though. Maybe you could have a book sale to raise money to feed the kids.
RayG
QUOTE(LAL @ Sep 30 2006, 09:42 PM) *
Meldrum's book is worth more than all the others put together, IMO.


Your opinion may differ from mine. If I also consider the book a worthwhile purchase, I shall not hesitate to add it to my collection.

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I got Bigfoot Exposed from the library because I didn't want to waste any money on it.


I get many books through the library for exactly the same reason. As I said, I picked up 2 today and have 12 more that should be arriving shortly.

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Maybe you could have a book sale to raise money to feed the kids.


If I purchase a book I have no intention of selling it, so your suggestion isn't really feasible. Maybe I should consider selling the kids. :laugh:

RayG
Blackdog
QUOTE(LAL @ Sep 30 2006, 08:42 PM) *
Maybe you could have a book sale to raise money to feed the kids.

I hope that was a joke.
RogerKni
Somerset Maugham (I think--or some other English author of the interwar period) said (approximately), "If parents ever saw their child as he really is [when out of their sight, I think he meant], they would say, 'Willie is a bad boy--we should sell him.'"

He was joking--kinda.
Tsiatko
QUOTE(RayG)
And, speaking of dermal ridges on the Skookum heel strike, were these on the original on-site heel strike, or the cast of the heel strike?

RayG
If you are asking this with the idea that the dermal ridges may have been made by the casting of the impression you may want to PM tube and ask him his thoughts on this. I can't speek for him but I believe this issue was somewhat put to rest. It is my understanding the the splash cote method, that the skookum cast was made by, does not create the casting artifacts that could be wrongly identified as dermal features.
I know DDA and Tube disscussed this at length and if I recall Tube agreed.

Almost done with The book. Good read. It covers the subject very well.
LAL
Tube got a mention in the book but there was nothing about him going overboard later in his conclusions.

There's hair flow on the heel strikes as well as skin detail.

Prints not only have to be in the right kind of substrate, they have to be really fresh. The ridge detail deteriorates rapidly.
bipto
QUOTE(Tsiatko @ Oct 1 2006, 05:27 AM) *
It is my understanding the the splash cote method, that the skookum cast was made by, does not create the casting artifacts that could be wrongly identified as dermal features.

Come to think of it, wouldn't the ground being cast need to be powdery and dry to create "tube dermals"? I think that's how he explained it to me in Pocatello.
LAL
Right. Mud doesn't have the "wicking effect". The Skookum imprint was most definitly in mud.
wolftrax
QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 1 2006, 06:55 AM) *
Tube got a mention in the book but there was nothing about him going overboard later in his conclusions.


Why would there be? Tube didn't go overboard in his "Later conclusions" and having been there when Tube and Meldrum talked there was no indication Meldrum feels that way either, in fact, just the opposite.
bipto
I think Tube's thoroughness should be applauded. We need more of that in this field, not less. I think his findings are important, but narrowly so, and don't preclude all the dermal evidence found to date. By mentioning him in the book, it appears Meldrum feels similarly. I will be asking him about the impact of Tube's work when I interview him next week.
LAL
QUOTE(wolftrax @ Oct 1 2006, 12:43 PM) *
QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 1 2006, 06:55 AM) *

Tube got a mention in the book but there was nothing about him going overboard later in his conclusions.


Why would there be? Tube didn't go overboard in his "Later conclusions" and having been there when Tube and Meldrum talked there was no indication Meldrum feels that way either, in fact, just the opposite.


I was referring to what tube has said on this board, that everything taken for skin detail on the OM copy is artifacts and that all the Bluff Creek area tracks were faked after he used his rigid prostheses on a Seattle beach.

Does Meldrum know about those conclusions?
RayG
QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 1 2006, 06:54 PM) *
I was referring to what tube has said on this board, that everything taken for skin detail on the OM copy is artifacts and that all the Bluff Creek area tracks were faked after he used his rigid prostheses on a Seattle beach.


Links please. :wink:

Edited to add bolding.

RayG
LAL
QUOTE(RayG @ Oct 1 2006, 07:25 PM) *
QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 1 2006, 06:54 PM) *
I was referring to what tube has said on this board, that everything taken for skin detail on the OM copy is artifacts and that all the Bluff Creek area tracks were faked after he used his rigid prostheses on a Seattle beach.


Links please. :wink:

Edited to add bolding.

RayG


You mean you don't remember that? It would have been nice if I'd saved the posts.

Isn't this where the admin steps in with links to all the revelevant threads?

This is going to take awhile. I've only skimmed five pages of tube's posts so far.

Here, have some :popcorn2:. I'll work on it more tomorrow.
RayG
QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 1 2006, 08:44 PM) *
QUOTE(RayG @ Oct 1 2006, 07:25 PM) *

QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 1 2006, 06:54 PM) *
I was referring to what tube has said on this board, that everything taken for skin detail on the OM copy is artifacts and that all the Bluff Creek area tracks were faked after he used his rigid prostheses on a Seattle beach.


Links please. :wink:

Edited to add bolding.

RayG


You mean you don't remember that? It would have been nice if I'd saved the posts.


It doesn't matter what ~I~ remember, lots of new people on board since tube supposedly made that pronouncement. I'm guessing you may be referring to tube's thread on dermal ridges and casting artifacts, though I don't recall him claiming everything concerning skin details were artifacts, or all Bluff Creek tracks were fake. If he did, then I missed it.

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Isn't this where the admin steps in with links to all the revelevant threads?


Nah, you made the claim, you provide the links. :wink:

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This is going to take awhile. I've only skimmed five pages of tube's posts so far.

Here, have some :popcorn2:. I'll work on it more tomorrow.


No problem, some of the new people might not be familiar with tube's work/experiments/opinions, and some supportive links are always helpful.

RayG
LAL
QUOTE(RayG @ Oct 1 2006, 09:09 PM) *
I'm guessing you may be referring to tube's thread on dermal ridges and casting artifacts, though I don't recall him claiming everything concerning skin details were artifacts, or all Bluff Creek tracks were fake. If he did, then I missed it.



I didn't say he said everything concerning skin details, just everything on the Onion mountain copy. Green noted he thought that about the looping lines around the heel on Coleman's Yahoo Group and tube pointed me to that.

I think it was before the discussion with Melissa.

The pressure ridge stuff was on one of his threads where he posted numerous pictures, but I don't recall the name of the thread. He decided from that the Bluff Creek tracks were fake and I'd stopped responding to him by then.

I'm not dodging; I'm really tired; busy day at work. I'll check more tomorrow.

I'd like to know what Meldrum has to say about the pressure ridge experiments.
RayG
QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 1 2006, 09:21 PM) *
I didn't say he said everything concerning skin details, just everything on the Onion mountain copy.


Absolutely correct LAL, I left it out for brevity, but sometimes leaving things out changes the meaning, and I should have included your complete claim and not just a portion. It was not my intent to change your wording, and I apologize for doing so.

RayG
wolftrax
QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 1 2006, 08:21 PM) *
I didn't say he said everything concerning skin details, just everything on the Onion mountain copy. Green noted he thought that about the looping lines around the heel on Coleman's Yahoo Group and tube pointed me to that.


Definitely links would be required to make a claim Tube went overboard, or that he was certain the Ridges on the OM were caused by artifacts, but he certainly gave good reason to show they could have been caused by casting artifacts. Meldrum was supportive of the work Tube was doing both in the conference where Tube was introduced as well as in person. I saw the Onion Mountain cast as well and it looked like half dried soup with that skin the forms at the top and wrinkles. Barely any definition at all in the toes or other features but it sure had those saggy wrinkles\half cured casting artifact\dermal ridges.

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The pressure ridge stuff was on one of his threads where he posted numerous pictures, but I don't recall the name of the thread. He decided from that the Bluff Creek tracks were fake and I'd stopped responding to him by then.


Again, need a link, I seem to recall he made it clear that a pressure ridge as seen in a midtarsal break was fakeable by showing through example.

Neither of these things would qualify as Tube going overboard, it was experimentation and coming to a reasonable conclusion.

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I was referring to what tube has said on this board, that everything taken for skin detail on the OM copy is artifacts and that all the Bluff Creek area tracks were faked after he used his rigid prostheses on a Seattle beach.

Does Meldrum know about those conclusions?


Meldrum does know about his conclusions about the OM resembling artifacts, that the areas on the side of the cast are all on the same layer all around the cast, layered like a cake, and was totally open to talking about it and his own experiments, and found Tube's conclusions reasonable. Why wouldn't he? I saw that cast and thought it was one of Tube's experiment casts, it did look like his experiments.

Again, you'd have to provide a link showing Tube said all the tracks at Bluff Creek were fakes after he used his fake feet.
David Thomas King
QUOTE(RayG @ Sep 30 2006, 09:32 PM) *
QUOTE(LAL @ Sep 30 2006, 09:14 PM) *

Buy the book, cheapskate. Don't wait for the library. :wink:


Heh, if I bought EVERY book I read, I'd never have enough money to feed the hungry horde (the 8 kids still at home) :laugh:

I picked up two books today, and have another 12 on order. Included amongst those 12 are LMS, Bigfoot Casebook, and Bigfoot Exposed. As you've probably guessed, I spend a LOT of time reading, and I read multiple books at once. (got 4 on the go right now)

If LMS catches my fancy enough, I'll certainly purchase it, but there's no harm in trying before buying. :wink:

RayG


In my opinion, if someone were to chose to purchase only one book on subject of Bigfoot for their personal library, this should be the one. To me, it's the most comprehensive and interesting book on the subject to date. Not to belittle other author's works on the subject, as there are quite a few fantastic books well worth reading out there, but IMHO, nothing even comes close to holding a candle to this one! Bravo Dr. Meldrum! A top-notch volume, unsurpassed in both quality and content.

:new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
RayG
Sounds like you, and others who've read the book, should be writing reviews of it over at amazon.com.

RayG
David Thomas King
Actually, that's a great idea Ray. I'll head on over there and do that now...
David Thomas King
Awe, it won't let me write a review unless I make a purchase on-line. I already got my copy at Books A Million!

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scotto
QUOTE(RayG @ Oct 1 2006, 09:47 PM) *
QUOTE(David Thomas King @ Oct 1 2006, 10:38 PM) *
In my opinion, if someone were chose to purchase only one book on subject of Bigfoot for their personal library, this should be the one. To me, it's the most comprehensive and interesting book on the subject to date. Not to belittle other author's works on the subject, as there are quite a few fantastic books well worth reading out there, but IMHO, nothing even comes close to holding a candle to this one! Bravo Dr. Meldrum! A top-notch volume, unsurpassed in both quality and content.


Sounds like you, and others who've read the book, should be writing reviews of it over at amazon.com.

RayG


I did yesterday. :wink:
bipto
Considering I'll be interviewing Meldrum this week, I'd suggest anyone with specific questions regarding Tube's findings should head over to this thread and type up your question. I'll be happy to ask him.
LAL
QUOTE(wolftrax @ Oct 1 2006, 10:31 PM) *
Meldrum does know about his conclusions about the OM resembling artifacts, that the areas on the side of the cast are all on the same layer all around the cast, layered like a cake, and was totally open to talking about it and his own experiments, and found Tube's conclusions reasonable. Why wouldn't he? I saw that cast and thought it was one of Tube's experiment casts, it did look like his experiments.


I know that. It's what happened later. At least I found the chalk drawing I've been looking for for months.

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Again, you'd have to provide a link showing Tube said all the tracks at Bluff Creek were fakes after he used his fake feet.


I'm working on it. I'm going backwards on the search, am about to check pg. 25. I'm thinking one thread is The Tracks, Man, the Tracks. The part about the rest of the impressions was in answer to a direct question, as I recall, and it really startled me after the way he started out on JREF.

Have you read what Meldrum said about the second OM cast?

QUOTE(David Thomas King @ Oct 1 2006, 11:14 PM) *
Awe, it won't let me write a review unless I make a purchase on-line. I already got my copy at Books A Million!

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I got mine at Amazon and I've been thinking of writing a review. I kind of got sidetracked on that project. I haven't even thanked him for sending me the press release yet.
LAL
This isn't what I was looking for, but I think it's a bit overboard:

"And these are only dynamic tests. What about fabrication of tracks in a static manner? What about composite fake tracks produced by a combination of excavation and compression? Why do you think Chilcutt found human dermal ridges in the cast of one of Paul Freeman's tracks? Because a human compressed the soil that way to form the track...

As long as Bigfootery keeps blinders on as to how fake tracks can be made we will continue to get fooled again and again and again."

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?act...;hl=&st=675

Chilcutt was quite clear about that cast on the Willow Creek Symposium DVD. It's the one that was literally "touched up" in the toe area. Tube has stated a couple of times Chilcutt has withdrawn his support because the human dermals are too many "red flags", but I haven't seen him back it up with anything from Chilcutt.
Hairy Man
QUOTE(scotto @ Oct 1 2006, 08:49 PM) *
QUOTE(RayG @ Oct 1 2006, 09:47 PM) *

Sounds like you, and others who've read the book, should be writing reviews of it over at amazon.com.

RayG


I did yesterday. :wink:


Me too!
LAL
This may be one of the statements (I remember it as less qualified, but that could just be my memory slipping):

"So because I'm willing to admit my ignorance on this issue, I admit that if someone came forth with track photos that show the "monolithic margin" exhibited in the tracks of known primates or man, then I would have to modify my claim or simply concede I'm wrong. So in a sense I challenge those more familiar than me to produce this evidence, because until that happens, I will maintain that various Bluff Creek tracks are fake based on the "monolithic margin" characteristic."

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...6867entry316867
bf2004
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ Oct 2 2006, 11:27 AM) *
QUOTE(scotto @ Oct 1 2006, 08:49 PM) *

QUOTE(RayG @ Oct 1 2006, 09:47 PM) *

Sounds like you, and others who've read the book, should be writing reviews of it over at amazon.com.

RayG


I did yesterday. :wink:


Me too!


I was first to review it, so tongue.gif J/K. Great reviews, Scott and Kathy. I would definitely rank this one up there with Green and Murphy's books. This is one terrific book, and written with a true scientific care and sober, scholarly precision. I would definitely highly recommend this book, no doubt about it.
Hairy Man
QUOTE(bf2004 @ Oct 2 2006, 12:26 PM) *
I was first to review it, so tongue.gif J/K. Great reviews, Scott and Kathy. I would definitely rank this one up there with Green and Murphy's books. This is one terrific book, and written with a true scientific care and sober, scholarly precision. I would definitely highly recommend this book, no doubt about it.


I saw that! Actually, I rank it right next to Krantz and Bingernagel's books. Although Green and Murphy books are fantastic too!
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