Folks,

I was mailed a video tape of the original footage from a family member of those who shot the video. It has all the family's funny comments and interestingly, it shows a man in a hat looking through the trees at very close proximity to the subject in question. None of this was shown on Legend Meets Science. Can anyone coach me through translating this tape to DVD? I would also like to know how to make clips of it to show here on the forum. Could someone walk me through this process?

Thanks.

DTK

The man in the hat...is he clearly a man or does it just look like one. Just trying to get an idea of whether it is, obviously and incontrovertibly, a guy wearing a hat or is it something that a reasonable person could interpret differently...

No, it's definitely a man Brian. Impossible to mistake. If I remember correctly, I believe someone on the video even makes a comment about him. If fact, there may be another person with him. As soon as I can digitize the analog VHS tape it I'll post some pics or clips. (Once I figure out how)

I, for one, can't wait for this.

Well, then, this should be interesting.

There are a couple of options. Depending on the type of computer you have (specifically, what kind of video card you have) you could import the video yourself. Alternatively, you could send the video to a service and have them do it. I did this Google search and found all kinds of options.

Also, if you trusted me with your copy, I could do it for you and I wouldn't charge you a thin dime.

[Edited to add that the only condition I'd have to doing for you would be that you agree that we'd post the whole thing for the world to see when we're done.]

When you say looking from the trees, do you mean the trees that the subject in the film is walking towards?
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I may need two bottles for this thread.

Brian, I'll send it to you tomorrow if you agree to send it back ASAP with an additional copy on DVD. Skeptical Greg has also asked me to send it to him to duplicate so we can compare the digital copies online once they are on DVD. I have agreed to send it to him after you send the tape back to me. PM me your address tonight if you can so I can get it in the mail in the morning. Agreed?

Kerry (DTK)

Reality Check,

Sort of. It's kind of hard to describe. The man in the hat is looking at the subject in question (Sasquatch?) through some trees below the subject to the right. Once we get it posted online you'll see what I mean. He's there, clear as day.

Well, I may have called you by the wrong name(!), but check your PM.

This should prove to be interesting.

VERY interesting, I'm sure! :popcorn2:

I'm looking forward to seeing it, to say the least.

That's probably why the guy in the suit started to peel it off after he emerged from behind the berm....he knew he was busted.

OK, for once, the use of the little popcorn guy might be appropriate.

Woo Hoo! :popcorn2: :popcorn2:

You said it bro.

I can't wait to see this little piece of info.

:popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2:

That was fisherman number 51 who was there at the time with the rest of them. There were people out in boats on the lake as well. They were setting distress flags to warn the furcoat.

*bookmarks thread*

You mean his presence there doesn't prove it was a hoax? There you go with the truth, again, DDA. That must irritate the heck out of the sceptics. :wink:

DTK,

Help me understand, you said video tape of their original footage? Is this the original tape from their camera shot that day? Or did they make a copy and the copy is what they are sending you?

Sunflower

DTK is mailing me the tape today. I will get it digitized ASAP as soon as it arrives. He and I are talking about how it gets shown, but we agree that it WILL get shown here in its entirety.

Soleil Fleur, based on what DTK posted above, this sounds like it's minimally a second generation copy of the original on VHS. Undoubtedly, the will be some loss of image quality. If it's a copy of a copy of a copy that's been passing around the family who shot it, then it'll be much worse. Time will tell.

Also, I should mention that DTK told me in a PM that he may not be available online for the next couple of weeks, so it's possible questions to him will not be answered immediately. Don't read anything into his silence.

Awesome! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

Based on a chat i just had with my video guy, look for the video by next weekend. I'll try to do it earlier, but that's what it looks like right now.

:popcorn2:

I think this is the first time I posted in a film thread other than the PGF :laugh:

Bipto,

Thanks, was not awake when I first saw that this morning. Oh you mean me? Two cups of coffee, I'm better now. Have 2 yrs of French, so I figured it out...Ha!


Looking forward to the video...

:new_tiredsmiley:
Sunflower or whatever

Hello Folks,

I mailed the VHS tape to Bipto this morning by priority mail. He should have it by Monday or Tuesday. Yes it's a copy of the family's video so it's not the greatest quality, but there's definitely enough resolution to see things clearly. The tape also contains loads of slow-mo playbacks and freeze-frames of the runner as well as the man in the hat who seemed to have the closest view of the subject in question. There are comments by the family acknowledging the existence of the man in the hat and possibly another person with him. As the man in the hat had the closest view, it would be great if he could be identified and interviewed about his sighting. In my opinion he was close enough to the subject to see if it was a human or something else. You can see him ducking his neck to see through an opening in the trees. It appears that he was looking intently at the subject as if trying to figure out what he is looking at.

Also, from the comments of the family, it appears that they were slightly intoxicated when the sighting occurred. They were joking about what they were seeing and saying things like, "I think I've had a few too many drinks," and "Next I'll be seeing pink elephants." But there's no doubt that the subject they video taped that day is very real.

By the curious way the man in the hat was fixated on whatever he was seeing through the trees, I would estimate that something very odd had arrested his attention. This may prove to boost the credibility of the video. Then again, the man could have been a part of executing a hoax. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure. Maybe by posting the video on the BFF the man may come forward and identify himself and share the details of what he witnessed. One can only hope...

Kerry (DTK)

Hasn't the BFRO (that is, the OLD BFRO) already investigated all this? I'm sure DDA can enlighten us on all that was done in evaluating the original film. I can't imagine that there is any smoking gun here.

Apeman

Apeman, that could be the case. Maybe the BFRO even knows the identity of the notorious man in the hat. However, if that is the case, I'm curious as to why he wasn't interviewed for LMS. It appears that he was definitely observing the same individual that the others caught on film. In fact, I believe someone on the video said something to the effect of, "Those guys over there are seeing it too."

Kerry (DTK)

Ohh Boyy. I like that. I have never seen that video. Looking foreward to it. Where is my popcorn?? Ahhh here it is.................. :popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2:


The other video I have not seen is the SNOWMAN video. DTK or Bipto, do you guys have a copy of that???

I have a question for you, Ker:

After viewing the extended version of this video, what are your impressions? There has been talk that, because of what some of the witnesses are saying during the video, it seems less credible. I'm just curious as to what your impressions are.

This sounds great. It would be near impossible to track down the man in the hat, so here's to hoping he reads the BFF.

Wardog,

Are you talking about the "Snow Walker" clip? If you are, it was proven to be a hoax a couple years ago I believe.

Kerry (DTK)

Good to hear from you Paul.

I'm a bit frustrated with the footage because the image of the running biped is simply not detailed enough to identify. Regardless of the witnesses' whimsical statements however, the fact remains that a moving humanoid-shaped image was clearly captured on video for all to see. This was no trick of the camera.

I think it's interesting that "the runner" was uniformly dark in color from head to toe. If you watch the LMS video, the man they hired to run the course was clearly white (if I remember correctly) and dressed in visible clothing. While it's possible the "creature" in question was a man dressed in a hood and dark clothes (Or a monkey suit for that matter), I find the figure's body shape, stride and hunched posture to be quite odd; almost unnatural.

Additionally, if it were a hoax, how would the hoaxer know that persons with video cameras would be present and looking in his direction on that particular day? Unless the family was "in" on some kind of scam here (highly unlikely in my opinion), the chances of the running figure even being noticed by them weren't that high. Most people are so caught up in what they're doing they rarely take the time to notice their surroundings. I believe that it was sheer coincidence that the family that shot the video and several other witnesses happened to notice the figure running across the hill that day. The fact that they found the figure worthy of their undivided attention indicates that the witnesses believed they were observing something that was out of the ordinary.

If it was a hoaxer, I find it strange that he chose to run and not do the typical "Patty" arm-swing walk. It was most likely hot that day and if he was wearing a mask and suit, he was running the risk of losing his balance and stumbling from heat exhaustion or even from the awkwardness of wearing a mask and suit. It seems to me that a true hoaxer would not take that kind of risk for fear of getting caught.

If it was a hiker in a hood and dark clothes (not your usual hiking attire) why hide behind trees and then sprint across an open field? The subject in question first stopped and hid behind a tree (not shown on video, but pointed out by the witness with the camera) then it made a dash for the woods across the field as if trying to conceal himself from view. That may be the actions of a prison escapee, but not of a hiker or someone out for a casual nature walk. It stands to reason that a hoaxer would most likely take his time in places of high visibility to increase his chances of being seen. It's unlikely he would make a mad dash for cover like the figure featured in the film.

I feel the eyewitness testimony of "the man in the hat" is essential to proving or disproving the credibility of this video. He appeared to be close enough to determine if it was a living Sasquatch-type creature, a man in a costume, or a hiker wearing a hood and dark clothes. The length of time he stood there observing the figure, and the curious way he was ducking his head to peer intently though the trees at the figure indicates to me that he was viewing something that he felt was unusual. I find this particularly noteworthy. This man may well be the key to unraveling the identity of the mystery figure captured on this controversial video.

Anyway, that's a few of my thoughts on this issue.

Kerry (DTK)

Since I shared my thoughts, what's your take on the Memorial Day Footage Paul? Do you mind sharing?

Kerry

In the words of Kent 'Flounder' Dorfman this is going to be great!! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

The man in the hat?

Wrong guy, wrong hat! I remember that thread though! Too funny! You crack me up Clay!

:laugh:

Good to hear from you!

Uh, no, Derek Prior was clearly not white. His shirt was.

DTK wrote:






All good points, Kerry. :icon14:

And, to top it off...WHY would he then yank the mask off while he's still in view???????

Hi Kerry,

Good job getting the tape and forwarding it to Brian!


Maybe I missed something, but how did you manage to get the tape from the family? Have you known them for some time? And were they hoping you could do something more with it than has been done already? Just curious.

But of course!

Inconclusive. :laugh:

Seriously though, I really don't have any strong opinions on this one. There just isn't enough to go on, IMO. You have to remember, I've only seen the LMS version. If it is not an actual sasquatch, then I do believe it is an actual hoax, and not someone in dark clothing who just happened to be running and caught on video. As you've stated, the dark color is uniform over the entire subject. Literally covered head-to-toe, it appears.

What I know of this subject is only what I've seen from the LMS DVD. The subject is within human-height range, and traveling at a speed easily within human limits. However, if I remember correctly, the eyewitnesses described the subject as being very big, and moving really fast. Was this just simply a misinterpretation of what was being seen, or was it added commentary to help push the idea that the subject was in fact a sasquatch? I have no clue. All I know for a fact is that someone videotaped a dark figure running down a hill, and that the walks into the treeline. It appears that the subject really does increase in height toward the end of the tape. I do know for a fact that there were people in the area. I do not know for a fact that sasquatch exist. Does that rule it out? Not at all. It looks like a human running in a gorilla suit to me. But, how do I know that a sasquatch running doesn't look exactly like a human running in a gorilla suit? I won't know until I see one. Until then, I really have no real opinion on what the subject in that tape is.

Boring, I know. :laugh:





For the same reason a sasquatch would stop running down a hill just to walk slowly into the treeline. The subject probably didn't realize it was still in view. :wink:

I doubt that very much. From the pics Rick Noll posted here ages ago you'd have to be a real idiot to NOT know you are still in view at that point. Then again, only a idiot would dress up in an ape suit in the first place and try and fool people by running across a hill so...............................................case still open!:laugh:

I agree with Lyndon...in addition to being an idiot, one would have to have NO peripheral vision.

But if it IS a real Bigfoot, then walking leisurely as it approaches the wooded area makes sense...it shows intelligence, not stupidity...because the creature wasn't neccesarily running so that it wouldn't be seen, it could have been running simply to avoid any close contact with the people below. As it comes back into view from behind the berm, the creature feels safe because it's close to entering the woods....and walks leisurely along..swinging it's arm in a long, slow swing, as if it's feeling relieved.

It makes nothing BUT sense when viewed as a real Bigfoot with an infant.

Hey Scotto,

It was sent to me by a relative of the family. He just wanted me to view it and give my opinion I assume. Having no video editing experience, I would not be able to improve on the work that was done on it already. Maybe Bipto and Skeptical Greg will be able to enhance it further.

Wildman wrote:


It looks like a Bigfoot covered in Bigfoot hair to me...which coincidentally, according to many reported sightings, DOES resemble a human in a monkey suit, or gorilla suit.
I can hear a young Sasquatch now, after a long day at Bigfoot school..."Mommy, the other kids keeps saying that I'm not really a Bigfoot, just a human in a cheap suit! Will you tell them to stop it?!" :icon_bang:

Coolfoot,

As to this supposed "mask," I feel it's presumptuous to assume anything about the anomaly as it's too obscure for anyone to determine exactly what it is. BF Baby, mask, backpack, arm above the head; who knows? I'd be willing to bet the "man in the hat" caught a clear enough glimpse to know. Just my opinion of course. I think it's unwise to make any hard-line conclusions about this based on the video alone. Again, if the man who was closest to the mysterious subject can be identified and interviewed, we might finally have some answers. Let's hope he gets wind of this somehow and comes forward with his story.

Kerry (DTK)

Lal,

Sorry, I couldn't remember if it was a white or black guy who ran the hill in the LMS video. All I remember is that I could see his clothes very clearly. The dark mystery figure had no identifying clothing features which means he was either wearing a hood and dressed in dark clothes from head to toe, wearing a tightly fitting ape suit, or was indeed an uncatalogued bipedal primate yet to be discovered by mainstream science.

Kerry

Paul,

The family seems completely sincere to me. By their comments on the video, they appear to be partying or vacationing when this figure is spotted on the hill, catching them by surprise. In my "gut" I don't feel they were intentionally a part of any kind of hoax. Without the correct viewing and measuring equipment it would have been impossible for anyone to tell the figure's exact height and speed from that distance. To the family, it probably seemed to be big and moving fast. My view is that they were simply describing things the way they appeared to them. I highly doubt that it was added commentary intended to mislead anyone. I could be wrong of course; It wouldn't be the first time. If it was a hoax, I personally don't believe that this particular family was in on it. The "man in the hat?" Who knows? Maybe he was in on it and that's why his identity is unknown.

Kerry (DTK)

DDA said they could see seams at the distance.

Seams? Do you mean on the dark mystery figure or seams on the LMS runner's clothes?

Kerry

DTK, Since it will be a few days before we will be able to see the enhansed video, I do have one question. Did the "creature" run directly to the man in the hat, as if to meet up with him. Or was the man in the hat farther down the hill, and seems not to be connected (ie. meeting him and therefore part of a hoax) with what ever was running along the side of the hill. In other words - was the man in the hat (in you opinion), a spectator or partisapant.