The Psychic Sasquatch and their UFO Connection, by Jack “Kewaunee” Lapseritis. Wild Flower Press, 1998.

This book is pretty hard to come by now. I was able to get a new copy through Alibris.com, and that’s pretty much the route you have to go through if you want to get it. But I’m not sure I recommend getting this book if what you wanted was a thorough and rigorous testing of the psychic sasquatch theory. Because that’s one thing you won’t get.

Lapseritis makes a noticeable number of references to his scientific background, yet after reading his book, I am left wondering if this background makes any difference at all. And this is no mere quibble – he says that he has seventy-six cases in his files of psychic sasquatch encounters, but he also says he can’t tell you anything about the people involved because they requested anonymity. This is alright in itself, but it does put a burden on Mr. Lapseritis to show us that we can trust him with the facts, since there is not going to be any way for us to independently verify them. And I don’t believe he does enough to earn that trust throughout his book.

There are several problems that undermine our trust in Lapseritis as we read. I’ll lay them out and then illustrate them with some examples. First, since Lapseritis is asking us to trust his judgement, he needs to illustrate that he has good judgement. He doesn’t do this; in fact, he does the opposite, illustrating that he does not have a fundamental grasp of persuasive argument. Also, if he’s going to make reference to the large number of cases he says he has collected, then he should try to let us know how many of these cases he’s used in his book. He identifies very few cases – no more than a half dozen – in the text, and then he makes some generalizations at the end of the book. I can not tell that those generalizations have come from any other cases. Everything seems to rely on the half dozen or so he’s presented in his book. It’s a very different thing to ask us to believe his interpretation if it is based on a half dozen, rather than seventy-six, cases. Then there is the problem of asking us to believe what he and the other “percipients” (as he calls them) have received from the psychic sasquatches, when the psychic ‘squatches do nothing to prove that they are what they say they are. Once you’ve granted that polymorphing trickster spirit-beings exist, you no longer have any basis for a claim that you saw and conversed with a bigfoot. In fact, you don’t know what it was that happened to you. This thought doesn’t seem to have occurred to Mr. Lapseritis. I won’t say that nothing happened to Lapseritis (who claims hundreds of encounters with pyschic sasquatches over twenty years) or his other percipients, but I won’t go so far as to say they conversed with bigfoot. I have to shrug and say that I don’t know what happened.

But let us stipulate that Lapseritis does actually talk to psychic sasquatches. Even if we do that, we have problems that a careful thinker ought to have seen. For no matter what the truth of the matter, one striking fact is that the message conveyed by the psychic sasquatches in Lapseritis’ book turns out to be identical to the message conveyed to abductees – we are ruining our planet and we had better stop it. You might stop right here and roll your eyes, but remember, we stipulated so we've got to go along with the flow.

Ok, but now my question would be – why are you psychic 'squatches telling me that? In Lapseritis’ case, it’s a poignant question since he’s not a well known author and the number of people he could reach with his message is pretty well insignificant. At least with John Mack or Bud Hopkins, you’d have a chance at reaching many readers, but why a nearly anonymous holistic healer and bigfoot researcher? The question doesn't seem to have occurred to the author. It's just one more little bit that does not make sense, and for me this suggests that (granting these things described have actually happened) whatever the “psychic sasquatches” and their UFO buddies are doing, it’s not what they say they are doing. And a corollary to that would be, whoever they are, it’s not who they say they are. But Lapseritis never appears to think about it critically, he just takes them at their word. Alright, we're almost done stipulating now.

For one last thing that appears to me to be a contradiction is that, according to their report of themselves, psychic sasquatches are so advanced that their interaction with humans is limited to when they want to have it. When they don’t want to be seen by us, they simply slip into another dimension. And since they can read our thoughts, they sense us coming long before we can get close to them. They don’t want us to know about them, so we don’t. Well here’s the contradiction – how have we gotten any evidence of their existence, then? If the sasquatches have an answer for this question we don't know what it would be, because no one has ever asked them.

What you would have liked to have seen Lapseritis do is actually ask these questions of the psychic sasquatches themselves, but the questions don’t appear to have occurred to him. He takes their word for everything uncritically, and that’s why, even granting that these things have happened as he says they have, we can’t take his word for what they are.

Take a deep breath, we are finished with our stipulation exercises.

But we've only begun exposing the flaws in this book. We get plenty of evidence that Lapseritis is not a careful thinker. As an example, he cites “Scientist Dan A. Davidson of Arizona” and his three theories of how sasquatch could do some of the things Lapseritis has reported them to have done. After he has cited the theories, Lapseritis says,



The trouble here is that Davidson has offered theories, or “ways of explaining” what has been described, he has not offered facts. But Lapseritis treats them as if they are proven facts once he has introduced them, as if the fact that they can explain the events means that that’s the way things happened. This is a logical fallacy of the most elementary sort, and no real scientist would make this mistake. This is a mark against our ability to have faith in Lapseritis’ judgement, which is at issue since Lapseritis has asked us to take his word for the accounts he has offered.

He makes similar mistakes elsewhere in his book, illustrating that it’s not an isolated slip-up. For instance, he refers to a fossil in Utah that looks very much like a shoe print, and perhaps a second. I’ve seen the pictures of the clearest one and I think it does look something like a shoe-print, but it isn’t perfect, and I can imagine ways in which it might have been made without the agencies of a cobbler and a foot. But Lapseritis says the fossil “umistakably shows the fossil remains of two human footprints from a prehistoric man wearing shoes!” This is another example of, “It could be, so it is!”

If that’s the way that Lapseritis thinks, how can we trust him to have been careful enough with the evidence he won’t directly show us?

I’ll give one more example of bad logical thinking, and then I’ll leave Lapseritis alone. In a listing of attributes the psychic sasquatch might possess, he includes levitation and teleportation. For levitation, he can offer only scant evidence – one witness saw a sasquatch jump over a creek and it “seemed to glide” to the other side. Why that would be evidence for levitation as opposed to, say, flight, I don’t know. And for teleportation, Lapseritis says,



At least he didn’t say it did happen this time.

There is more that I could bring up to illustrate that Lapseritis is not really a scientist, at least under any standard definition of that word, nor any kind of critical thinker, but these examples should suffice. Having made the point doesn’t mean that what Lapseritis reports in his book never happened, but it does put Lapseritis in the terrible bind of having shown himself to be an unreliable reporter – not because of outright lies, but because we can’t trust him to know the difference between what might be and what is. And since he made the issue of trust crucial by withholding the evidence we might have used to verify what he says, he renders his work valueless to researchers.

Fantastic job! This review should be required reading for all the tourists who go on the BFRO camp-outs.

-Ray

Sorry for my bluntness, but I met him, and I my impression of him is, he is a nut. He may have a wall full of academic achievements, but a nut just the same.
From his own book, he says he believes that Bigfoot is highly psychic, very intelligent and can disappear at will. And that Bigfoot works in conjunction with extraterrestrials, as guards and scouts.

I’m not discouraging you from buying his book, if that’s the kind of stuff you believe in, but as for me I don’t buy his theories and I think his work does more harm than good in getting the public to take the research of the North American Ape seriously. Each time a reporter puches a microphone in his face all of our credibilty takes a huge step backwards.

Jack “Kewaunee” Lapseritis was one of the guess speakers at the May, 2005 Sasquatch Research Conference in Bellingham, WA . He was not received well by most that attended. I spotted allot of eyes rolling in the audience as he spoke, even among notable researchers that attended the conference. Lapseritis showed some video of what he claims is a sasquatch he has had contact with psychically, One impressive clip showed it jumping a fence, running through a corn field, steeling corn, and then running and jumping over the fence again with great speed and agility, and then he showed a piece of film that supposedly showed a Bigfoot peeking into a lens of one of his hidden cameras.
Had me wondering, If what he filmed was real why won’t he release it to other Bigfoot, researchers for closer examination? Or to the media for that matter. As interesting as the film appeared, I could overhear allot of snickers and whispered “yea rights” from people around me, all Bigfoot enthusiast.

Yup.

The only anecdote I know to be false in his book involves the late Betty Hill, of UFO abduction fame. Lapseritis included a great deal of second hand material in this book, which he seems to pass on uncritically. Lapseritis reprints an account of Betty Hill where she or a friend of hers witnesses a UFO drop off a UFOnaut, and the UFOnaut leaves a footprint. The footprint is cast. Later, Betty Hill then decides that it would be a good idea to cast the track a second time using, I believe, candle wax.

Anyone who knows anything about track casting at all knows that you destroy the track when you cast it; you can't cast a track twice. That Lapseritis was willing to pass along this bit of foolishness speaks volumes.

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I saw this "Kewaunee" goofball on some special a few years ago. He was telling of how a bigfoot related to him psychically, "I am a sasquatch person." Why would it think of itself as a sasquatch? That's our name for it. Why would it think of itself as a person?

Nice job, DB.

I found the book quite fascinating and still read every book I can get my hands on regarding the Sasquatch. Nobody has ever figured anything out for sure, so why not explore all perspectives and maybe be guided in some new direction? As for the book being difficult to find, I bought mine from Amazon.com about 1-1/2 years ago and a recent check shows it is available in stock for $18.95, with free shipping if your total order is $25.00 or more. You can also get a signed copy by sending $25.00 to:

Kewaunee Lapseritis
P.O. Box 1062
Duvall, WA 98019

I'm all for bluntless ( or realism as it is sometimes called ) Seadog & i can understand where you're coming & where the Book & Lapseritisn are coming from, from for what you've wrote.

Thanks for the heads up !! :wink:

I have him on a DVD. He looks like a caricature of the wild-eyed fanatic, complete with wild eyes.

Resperdol might be useful.

I got about halfway through this book and had to put it down. It's too far out for me.

I was about halfway through this blog and had to stop reading.... just too ridiculous. I can't take people like Lapseritis seriously.... maybe some can out there, but I am not one of them.

But look at his credentials; he's a Master Dowser, among other things.

I have read his book. My thoughts after reading the book were:

1. I am glad that the book was borrowed and I didn't waste my money on it.
2. Sorrow and confusion that the owner wanted it back. It would have made great tinder for my fireplace.

Great point-I think he also quoted them as saying "we are the bigfoot people." That's my favorite line. Just not very creative however, kind of makes it easier to determine he's a nut. Now if he would have said they call themselves the "zgquissejvkvvvicoasrfg people" that would've been much more believable. Funny thing is though, I actually have this book. You have to admit, if nothing else, it's good entertainment reading and the cover art is pretty cool.

Now I am confused, if I run into a Sasquatch, should I take a picture of it or take that opportunity to get my palm read?

Some of you folks may find it interesting that I met Jack .....19 years ago at an International Society of Cryptozoology Conference. Had dinner with him and a handful of other folks including a couple of college professors and a friend of mine, retired from the U.S. Forest Service. Seems like I may have mentioned this before...some years ago. I think that Jack, like many other people,may have some psychic ability. However, he seems to have gone from knowing what he knows to guessing at what might remotely be possible and can't, at present, distinguish any difference between the two. Not a bad guy, really, except that he also thrives on attention. Brings a bad reputation to all of the rest of us.

Folks, I have to vehemently disagree with most all the negative postings picking apart the work of Kewaunee Lapseritis. In my not so humble opinion his book Psychic Sasquatch and their UFO Connection is the only work extant that I am aware of which addresses the true nature and abilities of the bigfoot phenomena. And, it explains the number one objection people always say in response to the existence of bigfoot i.e. "Why haven't any bodies been found." As crazy as it sounds on the face of it I have to report to you Psychic Sasquatch is absolutely accurate in my experience. The firsthand experiences I have had confirm that Sasquatch can become invisible at will. I have only had two physical sightings myself which I won't go into all the details here. But, I have several encounters with them when they are invisible. Let me just say they I don't know what dimension they are in but they are still present physically and interactive though you can't see them. There is a division in the UFO/bigfoot research community between those who are willing to look at the evidence for paranormal aspects of bigfoot and those who are not. I think those who are unwilling to examine all the evidence are limiting themselves in a way that prevents them from finding the true answers they seek.
It is no different that the close minds who refuse to think any version of bigfoot exists whatever. I agree the levitation scenario is speculative and subject to misinterpretation. However, in my first sighting I witnessed a redhaired bigfoot cover a distance of more than 40 yards in under 2 seconds as it seemed to glide above the ground effortlessly! It was reminescent of Superman 1 when Clark Kent was running along with his feet hardly touching the ground. If anyone on this forum is interested in hearing me interview Kewaunee Lapseritis on Paranormality Radio this coming Friday September 7th 2007 at 10pm Central time you can check out my links below. And, of course I will ask him the hard questions, but without forgetting to explore the truth he chooses to share. I really find it hard to understand why Loren Coleman is touted as the foremost expert on bigfoot when he has never conducted any field research at all. Kewaunee has spent over 50 years doing it! He has spent as much as two years at a stretch in the wilderness areas where bigfoot resides! Wake up to the truth about bigfoot people! They are more than just an unknown primate! Kewaunee is not a nut regardless of how he is perceived. The people calling him a nut need to get off their butts and do your own research. You are guilty of doing exactly what you are accusing Kewaunee of which is making statements that you have no evidence for. It is disingenuous to call Kewaunee a liar when you don't know in fact that he is lying! I interview a lot of people who have had strange experiences. I may not agree with their interpretation of them, but I do not question their sincerity. I assure you Kewaunee is neither lying nor exaggerating. Try approaching Psychic Sasquatch with an open mind. Assume they know what your intentions are and that you will only find them if they want to let you find them. If you have the right attitude you can discover the nature of bigfoot for yourself. When and if you do you will find you may just owe Kewaunee Lapseritis a big apology. Do you want bigfoot researchers to tell you what you want to hear in line with your preconceived ideas or the whole truth as they have truly experienced it?

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It's worth noting that his so called 'scientific credentials' have nothing to do with wildlife biology or anything, really, to do with Sasquatch. And they are not particularly impressive credentials either (not that this matters much, but since he seems to be trying to use them to bolster his credibility, it should be pointed out).

Thank you, Paranormality (Tony), for bravely attempting to balance out the discussion. The subject of BF high strangeness is so incredibly divisive that most folks just won't go there, no matter what; especially if they've hung around the forums for any period of time and observed what happens to those who do go there. Because of this, those with truly strange BF experiences (as if any BF encounter wasn't already strange enough!) have virtually nowhere to turn for guidance, counsel or advice. That's a major bummer since the forums have over time become about the only place folks can really turn to for help, as things now stand. A more open and candid discussion might help alleviate that disparaging condition and encourage more folks to come forward with their peculiar experiences. In turn, that might generate an increase in useful data, regardless of where it may take us - truth being the objective, after all. At the very least, I suspect that truly weird encounters are far less likely to be reported these days than the more conventionally accepted types, which tend to be not all that reported, either. So who can really comment with surety on just how much high strangeness there really is out there right now?
Dudlow

Since they have mastered our language, why don't they refer to themselves as "North American Bipedal Primates"? Or even with names like "Fred" or "Susan"? I am also curious if they speak any other languages besides English?

If they were invisible how did you know they were sasquatches?

And how exactly do they become invisible in the first place?

How is bigfoot able to see in his invisible state?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisibility#...while_invisible



RayG

To me, sasquatch is a Natural Phenomenon, along the lines of the following:
Giant squid, recently discovered. Thought a myth to many.
White whale, recently discovered in Australia, a humpback, but maybe a sperm whale could also achieve that. Thought a myth to many.
As far as unicorns, the horns were obtained from narwhals, (saw that on TV)
Sasquatch, yet proven, ...

But ESP is considered a psychic phenomenon. Aliens? We have the greatest minds studying the universe, they'll take care of that.

Oh geez Ray, everybody knows when a sasquatch becomes invisible it's eyeballs still hover in midair, come on.

I have heard it suggested that they camoflage themselves cuttlefish style, even if this is never seen elsewhere in the mammal world. Even if their skin could match the animals environment, it would still have its great shag of hair walking around in plain sight.

I musta missed this back when.

Yep, total WIN!!!

Is this the same book that R W Morgan considers the greatest thing since slice bread for locating BF??

Jack Lapseritis got his research back in the 70's I believe or 80's while he was staying with fellow researcher Stan Johnson and his wife Stella in Oregon or Washington. Can't remember exactly. You can go on the webiste for Stan Johnson Bigfoot Research - and it will give a phone number. Call it and you will get his widow Stella. She will tell you the story. Jack stayed with them for a while, then stole Stan's boxes of research. Stan tracked down Jack and with the law at his side retrieved several boxes of research, but not all.

I found this out in 1985 when Stan called me on another subject that I was an author to. Then I met Jack in 1991, when he rented a room from me in Arizona. He had several more boxes of bigfoot research with him and I recognized the name on the research "Stan Johnson". Recently I called Stan and tried to make contact only to find out from Stella that Stan had died. This information needs to get out.

I have every bit the credentials as Mr. Lapsiritis to profess that Leprauchans are real, and in fact, live at the end of all of those rainbows you see after a rainstorm. What credentials you may ask? The answer: None.. Nada... Zippo.... Fin

My point is that without physical, scientifically plausible evidence, the ideas Jack throws out there give the rest of us in the field bad names. Show a naturally forming enzyme that can turn folks invisible, and im interested. Find me a plant that after being injested into the body, can make you "see through" and I'm hooked. Summon me a Sasquatch into my livingroom via Telepathic powers, and you've got yourself a winner. Until then.... stop making such outlandish claims.

My name is Jeremy Lynes and I must comment on this post. I was in Oregon in 1987 and was well aquainted with both Stan and Kewaunee at the time of their falling out. I was doing research at the time. Both men shared their experiences with me. I happened to be there at the climax of their parting of the ways. I visited both men frequently and had many Sasquatch experiences based upon generous information and guidance from both.

I have to say that the above characterization of this event is, for me, typical of how rumors can get out of hand. Yes, Stan was concerned that Kewaunee's book (at that time a nearly completed work in progress) was largely about Stan's experience and therefore Stan wanted more credit or to be a co-author. There was a falling out and Kewaunee agreed to removed Stan from the book. Kewaunee allowed me to preview the book and I can say this was done.

Antagonisms continued and publishers and others became caught up in this unfortunate schism. The above post is indicative of many third and forth party opinions that I feel qualified to dismiss as unfounded or misconstrued.

I cast no blame on either man, but posit that their differences were due more to folly of human pride. I saw no evidence of misappropriation of Stan's interest by Kewuanee and I think the above post is careless slander.

I would like to add that Kewaunee introduced me to a fair amount of individuals who have had contact and are subjects of the book. I came to know many quite well. Again, I feel very qualified to say that Kewaunee's book, though extraordinary in its thesis, is nonetheless on the mark.

I was drawn to Kewaunee's working hypothesis due to the nature of my personal experience as a very young child in Texas in the 1950's. This experience, which was of a psychic nature, provides one with a 'gnosis' that the Sasquatch are not just a primate. For those of you who think otherwise, please consider this.....

A researcher can easily conclude the Sasquatch phenomena is real, it has a good provenance in both history and wide geography. To dismiss it as pure hoax is not an option for anyone who has made a reasonable examination. So we know there is something there.....

And we also know about how many Grizzlys, pronghorns, snail darters, wolves, whales, falcons, butterflys and you name it are out there. We know where they sleep, what they eat, who they sleep with and where they're going to be next year.....but there's this 6-8 foot tall, 700 pound primate roaming around our backyard and we don't have a clue? This picture needs more data.

Kewaunee is not saying they are not flesh and blood.... he is saying what seems obvious to me and others who have had contact beyond mere sighting......that there is more to heaven and earth than is dreamt of in our philosophy. We cannot define the Sasquatch as mere beast. Granted, some people go beyond the data and attribute elements of fantasy to this phenomena, but that should not prevent the scientist in all of us from taking an objective look at this issue, regardless of social stigma paranormal research. Indeed, science is but a constant battle against such social stigmas.

In the early 1900's white man entered the Congo. After two years of hearing rumors of the Gorrilla, they were discovered. Go back next week and there they are again...further down the trail, but easy enough to find. Dismissing our lack of evidence of the Sasquatch to a nomadic lifestyles, is possible, but honestly, just doesn't cut it. The Sasquatch is no mere primate. If he is, God forbid how stupid that makes us.

Kewaunee sent me into an area near Grant's Pass, Oregon where he said I would have an experience. I did. But I cannot put into common words how to describe the nature of that experience because our culture lacks understanding of this shamanic realm. We are only beginning to converge anthropological, neurological, quantum physical disciplines in an attempt to address this paradigm. To dismiss Sasquatch researchers like Kewaunee out of hand is not being a good researcher. One must at least be open to all the legitimate reports from respectable sources that support Kewuanee's thesis. Better yet, go into the field with this paradigm as a working hypothesis. You may be pleasantly surprised.

After 50 some years of personal research on the Sasquatch, I conclude the smart money is on the paranormal nature, and we have a long, interesting journey ahead.

The mechanisms, and documented behaviors of sasquatches existence clearly defy accepted scientific models and explanation. This has been going on for decades and longer. We have stacks of evidence in the form of hairs, tracks, numerous lousy videos, photographs and verified eyewitness sightings (almost daily perhaps).

The failure here is our interpretation of the data, and not the existence of it.

I was loaned by the L'illwat Indians, Kewaunee's book, and never looked at it for ages thinking it was junk. The reality is, it does provide explanations for the stuff which I have experienced as an 2007 active field researcher and also for some of the unusual events which I have captured on starlight GEN III++ video.

See my profile for link to my U tube channel and what i am talking about.

nevermind...

Well actually - just one or two points.
The former Mount Currie Band is now called the Lil'wat First Nation.
I doubt the entire population of the band gave you that book.
Come on - I bet someone or a few individuals might have given you that book. I doubt all 1,500 or so people massed togather and loaned it to you...
So...to imply that the whole band believes what that book says is not really the proper thing to do now - is it?

the story teller aka historian gave it to me. so she is a representitive for the nation. marie abraham

no i didnt mean to imply anyone believed the book, including myself

she did indicate it reflected what many elders there think

i did imply that the book offers some explanations for some of my observations

Having not read the book yet, I won't make a comment about it, though I did come across this interview with Kewaunee Lapseritis on a podcast known as "The Illumination Project". I must say that I found this guys ideas a bit out there and have always found it difficult to subscribe to paranormal views of Sasquatch. This was a great podcast anyway, which was made as an introduction to the topic of Sasquatch for those unfamiliar with it. It also contains interviews with Paul Cropper regarding the Yowie and Dr Jeff Muldrum regarding his research.

Check out episode one at http://illuminationproject.net/

I have a question on this subject
If a person claims Sasquatch can speak to people telepathically and has to person<s> making said claims how does this person<s> know its not all in there head how can they be 100 % sure there not imagineing this esspecially being confronted and in the pressence of such a powerful and huge beast?!

Second
When people come forward claiming to have had paranormal experiences with a bigfoot how do you treat these people do you take what they say at face value and do a follow up investigation to see if there was at the least a bigfoot encounter or do you shun these people

Third
What causes people to categorise bigfoot in the realm of the paranormal
Ive heard all the stories from
Nephilim
Aliens
Geneticaly engineered by the government
Native American spiritual super beings ect ect ect
What gives here? Biology always taught me anything that bleeds craps gives birth and eats is a biological creature as we are
The biggest argument in favor of the paranormal bigfoot is were are the bodies how does one counter that argument and whose to say there arent any bodies weve all heard the stories of the Smithsonia and whats in there basements.
What if theres more truth to that than fabrication

This is in response to Burfoot70's 3 questions.
It is hard not to seem like copping out when attempting to reconcile such questions...There is little scientific proof to back up an empirical belief in a shamanic reality. The trouble is....it really is all in their head. But then, quantum physics is telling us the same thing about our world....it is based in consciousness, and we are only under the illusion that it is an objective, separate reality. But more to the point.....
A first step, IMO, is to realize that Shamanic feats of the Sasquatch do not rule out their being flesh and blood, also. For a comparison, consider the work of Alexandra David Neal and her book Mystery and Magic in Tibet. Her description of the abilities of priests to telepath, teleport and other extraordinary feats of consciousness, reflect reports of Sasquatch. Not just Tibet, one finds aboriginal cultures worldwide where this Shamanic paradigm is the rule.
In addressing the issue of empirical evidence, I think we should first correct western culture's worldview.....one of a Newtonian mechanical world.
Allow me to digress in order to answer this issue.....
Our academic science today supports the reductionist, physical universe....that all events can be explained as the result of chemical or mechanical dynamics in a closed universe. Life was merely the result of a most fortuitous combination of physical elements (which BTW if you do the math, defied astronomical odds) that created a cell that somehow wanted to survive and then selectively mutated into a complex multicellular organism with a nervous system so sophisticated it suffered a feedback loop and now suffers the illusion of self awareness.
(BTW, having problems with evolution, does not automatically endorse non scientific mythologies. It's not an either/or with me. for a good scientific overview of this, I recommend Richard Milton's Shattering the Myths of Darwinisn. Trading physical for consciousness does not mean we forgo scientific methods in trying to understand that conscousness)
So the question comes to this....is reality founded upon physical...i.e. in the beginning there was no such thing as consciousness until the random accumulation of amino acids precipitated its appearance? Or is reality founded upon consciousness? To satisfy this question, a starting point would be to show that consciousness survives the body after death.
Scientifically, we have much to show this is the case. Gary Schwartz, Univ of AZ, Ian Stevenson, Univ of Vir., All the work of SRI, Duke University, etc. let alone hundreds of years of cultural acceptance, albeit often politically distorted.
So, to return.....in order to accept the idea of a paranormal Sasquatch, I think we first need to accept the idea that this world turns on consciouness and not just 100plus elements of inert physicality.
IMO, this banalization of nature shuts the door to a greater realm we westerners seem to be always on the threshold of entering. Perhaps the mundane dogma of academic science is breathing its last breath. But first, the alternative must offer better proof of this view of the paranormal. Getting our paradigm strait is the first step. Then we can frame the questions properly. As you have.
But one must not start an investigation upon unfounded premises. Some trace this reductionism back to Aristotle. I don't know when it started, but we are in the thick of it now. Perhaps Sasquatch can help end it.

My Answer to question one: Often, telepathic experiences do not involve a face to face meeting that would create fear. But there has been a history of prior experiences between the witness and Sasquatch, as well as the nature of the conversation itself, that reinforces that this is a real conversation. Also, the Sasquatch often comforts feelings of fear, or will simply not contact someone who indicates a preponderance for fear.
Answer to question two: No real scientist would shun information....investigate and attempt an objective conclusion. Do they say or do other looney things? Can they put their pants on properly? Have you stayed in the area long enough to attempt some kind of reproduction of the event? Is there a benefit to the witness fabricating this story? etc. In the end, you are like a investigating cop and you have to go with your gut feelings since little hard evidence is available.
Answer to question three: my writings above. They are biological, but that includes more than our present understanding of biology and we can find examples of their abilities in flesh and blood humans today.

Alright, I'm ready... can one of you "sensitives" out there send a Sasquatch my way.... PM me and I will give you a time and place for the encounter...

I am 100% serious... If they are telepathic, and supernatural in nature... I want proof...

As an incentive...if they like beer, I will bring some... If they prefer a nice Chianti... no problem... Steak? One for me, 3 for the squatch...

If only it were that easy.

Well, Why can't it be?

No it isn't...

In reply to FredSneakers regarding my statement that quantum physics demonstrates a conscious based reality, certainly there is disagreement among scientists with this statement. Physicist John Wheeler would agree, others would not, as a means of explaining, or at least creating a workable model, of phenomena such as nonlocality, telepathic and teleportation properties (entanglement) of quanta particles. But beyond this, if we can demonstrate that consciousness can be separated from the body, even survive it, (and I think the evidence shows that), then a conscious based reality as a workable model becomes even more necessary. Of course, consciousness may be the simple product of a mechanical nervous system feedback, giving us only the illusion of self-awareness. Some people provide excellent proof of this.

In reply to eldonkey about why can't contacting a Sasquatch be so easy. It can. if you do it yourself correctly. However, it would be very difficult for someone to tell a Sasquatch what to do, which is what you asked. Kewaunee's book is a good start for a finding a method and mindset of how to contact one....if you are in their area. Remain there for a reasonable amount of time as a respectful and good neighbor with a passive intention of a peaceful interaction and you have a good chance IMO. Kewuanee sent me into an area with those instructions and they did interact. Many report the same results. Whether you should bring beer or Chianti I couldn't say.

Yeah they do.



But not an entire human.

There is a great problem in taking princibles in quantum theory and using them to explain paranormal phenomona, particularly when there are neurological explanations for so called paranomal experiences that are much more documented.

Link.

I say both!

As to arranged sasquatch encounters, remember to read my sig.

I agree, that may be a mistake. But that is not what I was doing. I was making the point that physics has evolved to a place whereby a conscious based reality may be the best model to explain observed phenomena. I am saying that such a conscious based reality would provide a better paradigm with which to explain how Sasquatch and other skilled humans (predominantly of Eastern traditions) can perform paranormal acts.
The biggest point I am trying to make is that a paradigm founded on consciousness as the product of inert matter has the cart before the horse. IMO. I base this on evidence that consciousness can disassociate from the body, such as astral projection or reincarnation. I am mistaken if one can explain this ability in a reductionist, physical based reality model. But I can't for most of this phenomena. Telepathy perhaps.
You indicate there are physical, reductionist neurological explanations...can you elaborate on them?
Repectfully, Jeremy

Can this evidence be replicated by any scientist, or do only a select few get positive results? A few years ago I spent a great deal of time and effort pursuing an explanation for reincarnation from promoters and came up empty. Can you explain this ability (reincarnation, telepathy, ESP, etc.), with specific details of the transmission/reception methods and modes used? Can anyone?

Feel free to PM if you wish.

RayG

A couple of immediate, simple and obvious possibilities are fabrication, hallucination and delusion.

All of these are regularly occurring, well documented motivations for a vast host of human activity. Since he fails to provide even the vaguest sort of independently testable data or physical evidence beyond his own personal claims, all of Lapseritis' statements can be attributed to any one of these without the slightest need to explore more exotic theories. Quantum or otherwise.

Precisely my point.

There are several studies indicating temporal lobe seizures cause paranormal experiences, which is obviously neurobiological in origin. Michael Persinger (though his helmet experiments are problematic) covers this observation in several papers.

Also worth noting are the effects ultrasound have on some individuals perception, which I'm sure you've read about here on the forums.

I agree, there are plenty of these events that can be attributed to delusion. But I was arguing that some are not and if they are not, how do we explain them. I think the evidence is abundant that some are genuine. The work of Gary Schwartz, Michael Grosso, Ian Stevenson, the paranormal studies at Duke, Stanford and others provide the white crows that defy the unscientific statement that all crows are black....all psychic events are delusional.

One would have to investigate Kewaunee and those individuals whose paranormal stories he describes in order to see if they are delusional or not. Yes, he did no double blind studies, his work is anecdotal and does not muster up to a research paper for peer review. He does not claim that it can. To dismiss it out of hand on this basis or because some people who say they have paranormal abilities are delusional is to miss out on a valuable insight on the Sasquatch phenomena. You are asking for more than any researcher (other than perhaps Patterson) has provided.

Perhaps I am more convinced of this, because my personal experiences, (which could be delusional but at least my dog believes me :) and because I have talked to many of the people in the book and others with similiar experiences and find them sane, everyday people.
The evidence says, IMO, as well as the opinion of many scientists practicing scientific rigor, that paranormal phenomena is real. It is not de facto delusional. If you wish to brand people who think Sasquatch exhibits this phenomena as delusional, you are not being fair without first investigating them or this aspect of the Sasquatch phenomena.

If you wish to apply Occam's razor and find the simplest reason, then with this topic any excuse will do to dismiss those whose beliefs we find objectionable. So it cuts both ways...one can just as easily say that anyone who thinks a 7 foot tall, 500 pound species of primate lives throughout various areas of America and we can't get a decent photo of it, let alone a body, is crazy. Where's the proof?

OK we have the Patterson film, some valid scientific experients show it is not a man in a suit. We know that, but Occam's razor will cause others to continue to dispute this as valid data because, if there is such a primate, we would know more about it, right? No need to invoke theories of this being a real animal.

Finally, there is another question....if we accept the possibility that a whole other paradigm of an astral nature is the real subject at hand....how do we know neurobiological measurements are an effect rather than a cause of a dynamic we know nothing about, or at least cannot yet measure with our present technology?

Best, Jeremy

STAN JOHNSON!! He used to be on the Drew and Mike Radio show back in the 90's. That is the name I couldn't remember. He had dimensional travel machines for sale, he traveled to The far side of Mars for an interplanetary council with the Bigfoot aliens. Yeah he was the bomb. I am so glad I found this thread. That was a gaping hole in my memory that is now filled.

I mean no offense by this, but how do you know that your spiritual encounter with a Sasquatch was not in actuality some sort of sub-conscious hallucination or a form of delusion? How do we know that this book isn't based on the same phenomenon? I know this treads into the sticky area of faith and spiritual belief.... but it is a question that must be answered. If they thrive in both the physical and spiritual realms, I would hope that they could make it possible for us to collect more physical evidence to proove their existence....