I'm still tuned, but the batteries are dying. I would've liked to have seen this conclusion in that other thread where it belongs instead of in another, but as that is now impossible, and since today was supposed to be the meeting day, and since Wardog was here but did not give us an update (and may have been reluctant to start another thread), I would like some substance or nails in the coffin. Can those of you who thoroughly, repeatedly, and incessantly diverted the matter at hand and destroyed the other thread please stay out of this one so that it can remain mercifully brief and/or strictly on topic? Even though my similar request last time went ignored, is that possible? Had any of the combatants had the self-restraint to not feel compelled to respond again and again and again and have the last word, that thread could easily have been half as gargantuan, unwieldy, tiresome and divisive. Five pages would have been sufficient rather than 33 and the axe.

Unless WD is now sworn to secrecy concerning the big Hollywood project JayleeD mentioned, which is as likely as anything at this point. :laugh:

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It would be great if the mods / admin would be swift with the ax or at least admonishment as soon as someone starts saying something rude to others or completely off topic. In the interest of preserving thread integrity, and since the other threads did in fact get 86'ed due to juvenile bickering, why not. The instigators should pay the dues, not the people tuning in with interest based on the each thread's respective topic(s).

Great idea paysonfear! You guys start passing the hat, and when you come up with enough money to pay one of us for a 24/7 job, we'll watch every post and every poster. We'll make sure nothing that might be taken as offensive is said.

BTW, don't forget the cost of benefits. Insurance is expensive these days.


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Note: Normally a person who started another thread about a closed thread would be given a vacation from posting. But, since yesterday was the day of the meeting, there will be an exception to the rule. Let's give it long enough to see if Wardog was successful.

Sounds fair to me. How long are we supposed to give it though before we start to really wonder what happened?

Until we hear from Wardog at least.

So no posting until we see something concrete (wardog posts something)?

Cheers

Alex

D'oh! Sorry about that. But I want nothing but some resolution, like I actually originally intended. CY used the family crisis justification for delay with me once and with WD once already. Further evasion would seem to be fair evidence of the suspicions of the criticisms. We get something tangible or we nail the coffin. Thanks, boss.

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I had some interesting conversations with CY yesterday, 6/1/2006. I went to see him and we took a tour of his old ranch. I also took some photos of it and CY. I will try to attach a photo here of CY.

I am also working on my report. I promised you the report and I keep all my promises. So, please stay tuned and bear with me. I am attaching a photo of CY when he is answering the questionaire that I gave him to answer.

So did you two go bowling afterwards?

Impressive!

Can't wait to hear the rest.

Cheers

Alex

Yes, it will be quite interesting to see what evidence he uses to support his claims of a bigfoot in his basement.

More stories won't cut the mustard.

RayG

Thank you Wardog for taking the initative, time, expenses and a questionnaire to help resolve the CY debate. :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

Mmmmm.... Denny's....

Aaaiiiiiiiiiii!!!! What the Hell is that?!!!

"Told ya he was Stephen King!" :new_lmaosmiley:

"He is not!"

"Who do you think he looks like, then?" :new_tiredsmiley:

"Al...Tim's assistant on Tool Time..." :ohmy:

"Bull! It is Stephen King! He even parts his hair just like him." :new_lmaosmiley:

"It isn't Stephen King!!" :doh:

"....just picture him with thick framed glasses..!" :happy:

"He is much older and his beard is thicker!

"Is that Al, who you are referring to??"

"No, its Stephen King!" :new_tiredsmiley:

"That's what I said...look..its Stephen King!!!" :new_lmaosmiley:

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For those of us not familiar with CY or his story about a bigfoot in the basement, could someone please tell us what you are talking about. Thanks.

I may not have done this right but, if you have several hours, this link should take you to "Coastalyeti excerpts"

Hope you have a nigtlight (tee hee)

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...40&#entry319123

cheers

Alex

Just read the first 15 or so pages though. The rest is pure crap.

Yes, I forgot to add that.

Thank you, Ivy, that is great advice!

Cheers

Alex

I thought there wasn't supposed to be any editorializing in this thread. :new_tiredsmiley:

How much of that thread had to do with Sojourners original inquiry ?


1. The thread went on for over three weeks. May 6 - May 31.

2. 17,000+ reads, 653 posts.


Obviously, someone decided that the thread needed to be stopped. If it takes the powers that be a month and 650 posts to determine that, that's good enough for me.

Yup, it should have been stopped before a lot of things were said to get it off topic from Sojourner's original topic.


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Wardog, what's the scoop man?

SYNOPSIS:

On May 6, 2006 Costal Yeti (CY), was challenged to throw caution to the wind and to overcome the heat of debate or leave the forum. CY was advised that torpedoes might go his way but he felt physically and mentally strong to withstand any and all the heat. CY stood and advised the audience that he had a saga to tell. A saga that was not verifiable not believable nor pleasant to tell but was true. CY was advised that the floor was his and he, knowingly and willingly, stood and told the readers many of his Sasquatch sightings.

CY told stories and informed his readers about his horrible and terrifying encounters with Sasquatch; in a location of the country that would make it those sightings extremely difficult to believe and accept. CY described vividly some horrible and terrifying events that he claimed to have experienced alone.

His stories were captivating and he embraced his readers with awe because they were stories of sightings and confrontations with creatures derived directly from the darkest nights of a Sci-Fi book.

CY stated that after he had a sighting, he started to deny them so he could survive the fear and anxiety that over took him. He also stated that he developed amnesia from some of those events. As a result of his amnesia, the subsequent reports contained inconsistencies and he began to loose his audience.

One reader in particular, Wardog, found those inconsistencies annoying and made it a point to contact CY to resolve those issues. Wardog devised a questionnaire and submitted it to CY so that he could answer those questions in hopes of rectifying the obscure issues.

CONVERSATIONS WITH COSTAL YETI:

On June 1, 2006 at approximately 11:30 am, Wardog met with CY, and his nephew, at the Denny’s Restaurant, located at El Camino Real and Vista Way, in Oceanside, CA. CY stated that he had brought his nephew along so that his nephew could tell Wardog the BF sightings that he had seen at that Ranch. His nephew told one story but his story is not relevant to this report and it will not be discussed.

CY was advised that there were inconsistencies with the reports that were posted on the forum and Wardog would like to resolve some of those inconsistencies to satisfy his personal reservations. CY stated that he had witnesses to his sightings and, at first, was reluctant to give any names of those witnesses. After convincing CY that they would not be identified, CY furnish Wardog with names and phone numbers to witness and friends who were with him at the time of those sightings. Some of those persons had very similar sightings at the ranch … which was located in San Diego County. (Wardog will honor CY request and WILL NOT identify or disclose any names or phone numbers on this report)

CY further advised that he was willing to take Wardog to the old ranch and show him where some of those sighting had occurred. Also show him where the swamps were located and where the sweet water met the salt water lagoon that he described in his reports. Wardog was going to get a full tour of the old ranch. CY agreed to show Wardog WHERE THE ALLEGED FEMALE SASQUATCH WAS BELIEVED TO BE BURIED. CY allowed photographs to be taken of all those areas.

CY answered the query that was given to him and Wardog has attached that query below.

Question No:

1. Where did you get the idea about documenting your stories and posting them on the BFF?

CY: Me
2. Who edits your stories?

CY: Me

3. In your posts, you constantly refer to other witnesses who can corroborate your story, can you please name your witnesses.

CY: My brother - John; his son - John; his wife �" Evon; his son �" Shane; my daughter �" Jasmine; my daughter �" Erica; my nephew’s friend �" Derek; my friend Jay.

4. In your first sighting, 1979 or ’80 you were hunting the swamps with Burt on the 17 ¾ acre ranch in a rural part of San Diego. Can you
Identify Burt and advise me where he went?

CY: Burt was the care taker of our ranch and the soundman for our band. (Later he identified Burt and advised that Burt now lives in a small city that is closed to Warner Springs, CA.)

4a. Can you give me an address of that ranch? Where was it located?

CY: The address was 4539 El Camino Real, Carlsbad, CA. The name of the ranch used to be Thunderbird Ranch when his mother purchased it. The ranch later became know as Carolina’s Ranch. It was located approximately 2 or 3 miles south of the current Highway 78 and north of Cannon Road. Approximately, 1 or 2 miles north of the salt water lagoon known today as “AGUA HEDIONDA LAGOON Ecological Reserve.” CY loaned some personal photos of the ranch so they could be scanned.

5. In your postings you have indicated that Lake Henshaw was approximately 1 to 2 miles from the ranch. Yet, if the ranch was in Carlsbad, CA, how can you explain the distance discrepancy to the ranch?

CY: No, it was a sighting on the site that I was referring to. Read the postings before. (CY further advised me that he was referring to the sighting of BF in the Warner Springs area. The sighting that occurred by the horse farm.)

6. Prior to your Mother purchasing the ranch, who was the doctor who owned that ranch?

CY: I don’t know.

7. What kind of private school did he have in that ranch? Also what was the name of that school?

CY: I don’t know.

8. In your posting number 7, you named 5 individuals (John, Jay, Jimmy, Rick and Kent). Who are they and where do they live? How can I contact them?

CY: Kent, John, Jay and Jimmy are around. I lost contact with Riki.
(He provided telephone numbers of two of the above)

9. In your post bearing # 13 which occurred in 2005, you wrote that you and your nephew spoke with some migrant workers and you referred to “Carolina’s ranch”. What is that and where is that ranch located?

CY: Same as above. (Means that the ranch was now bearing his mother’s name and was the Thunderbird Ranch prior to that.)

10. Your (ex) spouse, Desiree, can you give me her address so she can verify some of your postings?

CY: NO, I am in a very ugly divorce with her.

11. Rudy the farmer, who won ½ million at Hollywood Park, can you give me his full name and location where he moved to?

CY: Rudy Sahagun (He does not know where he lives now.)

12. In your post no. 15, you mentioned Evon. Who is she and can you identify her? She was in the kitchen.

CY: Big Brother John’s “wife”
13. Regarding the basement of the guest house where you now lived, how big was it and how deep was it? Could you walk in it or did you have to crawl in it?

CY: I was under the entire house. The house was 3 bedrooms and two baths. There was approximately 1700 Sq. Ft down there.

14. Where exactly did you have your gun safe in the basement? Did moisture not ruin your guns?

CY: The gun safe was next to the larger door. I kept my guns oiled.

15. You advised that a roto-rooter man was in the basement and saw the skeleton of the female Sasquatch. Do you remember his name or can you tell me which plumber did you call at that time?

CY: It was either the Rescue Rooter or the Roto Rooter. Both were from Oceanside, CA. They were there all the time fixing the plumbing system in the ranch.

16. In your post no. 37, you named a groundkeeper, Consaldo; who is he and where is he now? Can you identify him?

CY: I do not know his last name or where he went to. He did not have citizenship at the time.

17. What radio station is KCEO? Do you have the modern day name of that radio station?

CY: It’s an AM radio station from the Astor Broadcast Group.

18. You identified your spouse’s mother as Wanda who was at your residence in 1997. Can you give me her full name and address?

CY: No. That’s my mother in law.

19. Can you explain why there is some discrepancies in the postings you made on 5/9/06, that state that no one saw the dead BF because you kept it to yourself, and then you turned 180 degrees and stated on 5/16/06 that your nephew and the roto-rooter man had seen the corpse of the dead BF?

CY: It’s a very upsetting thing. I still have major issues with it. I have been riding it out to help myself with the amnesia.

20. Why do you think that the female Sasquatch that died in your basement was frequenting your basement? What did you have in that basement?

CY: It stunk in the north end of the basement. She was probably using it (basement) as a shelter.

After completing the questionnaire, CY took Wardog to the old ranch. He showed the changes that have occurred since his mother sold the ranch. In the photo below, you can see CY pointing to the creek that fed the salt water lagoon.

CY indicated that creek’s running water comes from Mt. Palomar which is located some 25 miles northeast as the crow flies. That creek has a large area of sage scrub on either side of the running water and that is how CY suspects the Sasquatch comes down to the old ranch.

In the photo below, CY is standing next to the sage scrub that has over taken the swamps south of the ranch. In this area, the scrub is extremely thick and very difficult to walk through. CY stated that when he heard the Red One, the surrounding area was this thick with brush but there was much more water on the swamp.

The photo on the next page is of the house that was built on top of the grave of the alleged female Sasquatch that he claims to have harvested. It would be very difficult to obtain probable cause to tear up that $600.000 home in Southern California. I seriously doubt that any magistrate would sign a court order to do that. It is not know if there could be any bones underneath that house or if that is the correct location for the Sasquatch grave.

CONCLUSION:

Costal did not hesitate presenting his photographs to Wardog. Neither did he hesitate to take Wardog out to the ranch that his mother used to own. Costal indicated that he has nothing to hide and what he claims to be sightings of what he witnessed, is the true and those sightings did occur to him.

CY never denied any of the posts that he made and affirmed that what he wrote and described occurred as he posted it. CY stated that he does not care if he is believed or not, but he is very candid on all those postings.

As far as the female Sasquatch that he claims to have harvested. He is still perplexed by harvesting her and still suffers from amnesia on account of that post.

Wardog strongly feels that Costal Yeti missed a golden opportunity to prove to the world that such a creature does exist. But, because of his stupidity or lack of ambition or lack of foresight or pure innocence, he neglected to capitalize on obtaining DNA samples, bone or skeletal samples, hair or blood samples. And now in retrospect, had he taken some of those samples, those very samples could have validated his claim and/or exonerated him in any foul play. Perhaps, CY feels that he might have said something that will come back and haunt him in later years.

As to the validity of his sightings/posts? Well, I was there; I saw that has been written on those posts but I did not see any Sasquatch and I seriously doubt that they exist today. I observed and noticed that CY was sincere and candid with me. I truly feel that he is very candid on his posts. But, I will allow you to be the Judge.

Respectfully submitted,

Wardog

P.S. I attached some pictures to that report. I do not know if they will come out. Also..........JayleeD, this thread is complete.

Is Bigfoot in the basement similar to bats in the belfry?

Wardog, what do you think you gained or lost in this interview?

In retrospect what would you have done differently?

In other words he has no evidence to support his claims of a bigfoot in his basement. :doh:

Why am I not surprised.

RayG

Will you post the scanned pix of the ranch at some point or do you consider the thread completely closed?

Thanks

Alex

sojourner says thanks for the follow-up effort Wardog1078 and thanks to coastalyeti for the co-operation.

For what it's worth, I think CY's willingness to discuss these things further in person and to take someone to the alleged location adds a little in his column and providing historical details and listing other witnesses could add to some corroboration if pursued, making his accounts a little less-dismissable, but I don't see or expect anything that could significantly substantiate the stories. He insisted the accounts were true and we are left to take his word, all or in part or not at all, and that's that.

Thank you wardog for taking the time to meet with Coastal Yeti.

Thank you Wardog for taking the time to look into this matter. In the future will you be posting any further information durived from the telephone numbers you have recieved from CY.

:icon_really_happy_guy: :icon_really_happy_guy: :icon_really_happy_guy: That's fuggin' funny!!!!!

Anyway, as to the 'conclusion' of this fantasy tale, and I give Wardog all due credit in trying to get to the bottom of this 'scandal', I'm now doubly convinced (is that even theoretically possible?) that CY is completely FOS. I won't dispute that he has seeming vivid 'recollections' of something, he surely does, but they have absolutely nothing to do with anything officially licensed as a Real Bigfoot™ and/or its wholly owned subsidiaries. <coughdelusionscough> There was not then, nor is there now, Bigfoot(s)™ residing/working/farming/buried at or near 4539 El Camino Real in Carlsbad, CA.

For the bored, the 'still not totally convinced' and/or the 'unfamiliar with the area' folks, just a few more 'points of boring information'. The exact ranch location was never very far from civilization aka 'housing development' since way back in the late 60's - early 70's. There was in fact a couple thousand acres of undeveloped property to the east of his location (much of it was 'tomato farms') and there's still probably many hundred acres left, but it was not nor would it have been considered 'rural' or 'in the country' by any normal standard. 'Edge of town' maybe with the next towns (Vista, San Marcos, Oceanside) being about only 3-4 miles away each. Additionally, that specific area, including his ranch, is and always has been called Calaveras Hills. And for a long time known and used by thousands for motorcycle/off-road riding since it was big enough in area you didn't disturb the adjacent neighborhoods, but still 'close to town'. There were dirt roads and cycle trails over every inch of the place. I don't recall him mentioning any of that part. Blah blah blah.

I have nothing personal against CY, not even close, and I'm not gonna say he's being insincere, but his 'stories' are either, and simply, a total fabrication in the mind or the most incredible Bigfoot™ Encounters® ever recorded. Do I have to re-state which side of the fence I'm on? :wink:

"Harry"

Something that was bothering me last night that I finally put my finger on. The depth of the foundations for the houses,landscaping and other utility services required. After looking through a few sites similar to this one. If the body had been buried in that area , either the house in the picture or the surrounding ones, the bones would likely have been found and have to have been reported to either the police or other authorites ( archeolgy) as required by Ca. , law. Not being from the area. i'm not sure of the local codes for such things, just what I can read ,but is that right?

Oh my stars.

May I respectfully point out that Wardog wishes to honor CY's request to not identify or disclose any names.

But I also respectfully point out that the combinations of first name + relationship, town, year, current address (even full name in #11) easily result in complete loss of privacy. I hope identifying info will be removed by moderators as much as possible anyway.

I'm just a humble clown (with a really great hair-do) but I'd want the same courtesy. Sorry to be a butt.

Thanks Wardog for your effort! Thank you CY for meeting with him. Happy trails!

First, let me apologize for the margins on my post. When I did the report on my word processor, I included those photos in my report. When I copied it to post it, the margins went all to he**. Do not know what happened.

But, if possible, can a moderator/administrator fix those margins? If not .............. so sorry.

I am going to Kinko to get the picture of the ranch scanned so I can upload it. I would like for all of you to see it.

Yes, there are other leads that I obtained. But remember that I told you that this was not an investigation report. This is only a report on conversations that I had with CY. I feel that it is up to a BF investigator to follow those leads ........ if they feel its warranted. I also feel that this matter should have been investigated by the BFRO, GCBRO or any other organization that has investigators trained in this type of investigations. But, I am not going to devote anymore time nor resources to this report. I got what I wanted out of it and I am satisfied that this reinforced my stand on this issue.

Yes, I will answer your questions Black dog, for they are very interesting, but first I gotta run to Kinko.

Stay tuned,

I latched onto that one as well. Who ever buried the carcass must have used a very big backhoe in order for it not to be retrieved during the latter digging of that house's foundation!

Buy into it if you wish...or not!


Thanks to Wardog for making the trip and effort! A big thumbs-up!!

Done.

I never saw the thread that started this whole thing off and have only heard of Costalyeti and his stories second hand and in passing. All I have to say is this...

Bigfoot in the basement? Ah, that takes me back. Good times...good times...

Too many questions about a lot of things, too bad CY didn't save it all and write a novel!

He would be rich, and then he could buy the house and dig a hole and....

Next thread?

Cheers

Alex

Having worked in new home constuction off and on for the last 30 years, it is not unreasonable to believe that had the bones been uncovered, they were simple ignored and quickly covered back over. Contractors have little inclination to report such finds, especially when trying to met a deadline. Its a sad fact but oh so true.

Just some input on excavating for homes in a development where MONEY is involved.

If a contractor knew that bones were discovered on his development, yes he could have been told BUT, in the interest of selling those lots for future homes, knowing that the law would be called in, an investigation started that could have held up the building of those homes, in this case California where high priced homes are the norm, do you honestly think the contractor would divulge that fact; bones were discovered on his home lots? I don't, knowing what I know about that business.

Here's another example: knew a guy once who used to be on the LAPD and if he and his partner were driving along a highway/expressway and happened to see something (which they did, in this case a body on the side of the road) would they investigate it? No, because in this case their shift was over and the next shift will find it, (their justification) and would get to do all the reports and paperwork, which is so loathsome to some. I am certainly not knocking policeman, detectives or others who choose careers in law enforcement, my stepfather was a policeman & detective, he took his career very seriously.

I'm saying that if we all knew the truth we might be very surprised as to what really goes on. I personally am not naive enough to think that this sort of thing could have been covered up with a bulldozer and 10 tons of dirt and maybe only 2 people know what was there. The operator of the dozer and the contractor.

Just my input, something to think about and a possibility in this particular case.

Sunflower

Thats what I'm talking about.

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Alex,

I got the picture of the ranch and I am going to upload it so you can see it. I will upload 3 or 4 pictures so that you will know where it is. The picture of the Lagoon is west of the ranch (left of the photo of the ranch) and the other pictures are of the ranch. I got this pictures on loan from CY.

Question, let me know so that I can answer them.

Stay tuned,
w

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Alex,

I got the picture of the ranch and I am going to upload it so you can see it. I will upload 3 or 4 pictures so that you will know where it is. The picture of the Lagoon is west of the ranch (left of the photo of the ranch) and the other pictures are of the ranch. I got this pictures on loan from CY.

Question, let me know so that I can answer them.

Stay tuned,
w

Being from CY's neck of the woods I too would like to add some input. To back up Harry's viewpoint of the surrounding flaura and fauna, it is neither remote or bigfoot friendly. And in spite of the 'conspiracy' theory of others here that bones were maybe found and then ignored, GET REAL! SOCAL is the land of the lawsuit. No developer is going to bulldoze under human looking bones, they'd be idiots to do that. Sooner or later they WOULD be found. To add another point, I am leary about the 'basement'. While many parts of the country have basements for storm protection and storage, it is not a popular or very often built option even in old socal homes. I have owned old and new homes in socal, visited hundreds of friends homes up and down the coast and you just don't find many basements.
Here is a good idea. Most city halls are required to keep blueprints and records of home inspections etc. Why doesn't Wardog or someone w/ interest in this case check it out to see if the house had a basement? Why not me? Because I don't believe the story and have more important fish to fry in bigfootland. This story on the credibility scale of 1-10 as 10 being undisputable truth, I give it a 0.

That's great, thank you.

What I meant by questions was that there are so many questions throughout the whole story.

I don't think we are able to answer them.

I just wanted to put pictures with the stories in my mind's eye.

Thank you so much for your effort!

Cheers

Alex

It very rare, even though it is State law, for any bones discovered to be reported OR moved out of the way during construction activities. Only in rare instances when graveyards/burial grounds are uncovered do authorities get called in. Also, it isn't all that easy to see stuff way up on a bulldozer, so I wouldn't even assume most bones even get seen, let alone dismissed.

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Ah yes, those were the days....

:laugh: at Vol...

At this point who gives a r@t$ @$$ whether he lived in a big house or small, whether it was a ranch or not, whether he has friends or family, whether the address exists or not, whether he's tall or short, slim or stout, bald or shaggy, rich or poor, sharp as a tack or dumb as a bag of nails, WHERE'S THE DEAD BIGFOOT???!!!??? :icon_bang:

Surely to God, when you have the find of the century.... :doh:

This is worse than any 'one that got away' fishing tale.

RayG

Blackdog,
That is a very interesting question. Let’s see …
What did I gain??? When I was driving to Oceanside, CA to meet with Costal Yeti, I honestly felt that I was making a long trip to drink coffee … alone. I honestly did not believe he was going to show. But, regardless, I felt that I should be there to satisfy my own curiosity. When he showed up, I was really surprised and I felt like “this guy must really have something to show/proof.” At that moment, I felt that I had succeeded in making my point and that Costal was now under my direction. I felt successful in my endeavor and I really believed that I was going to get all my questions answered and, more importantly, get the information that I seek for corroborating all those posts he made. I was hoping for lots more names, address and telephone numbers than I got.

What I felt I lost??? I truly felt that he circumvented all the questions in my query. Those questions were devised to obtain personal information on witnesses. To provide other avenues for searching and to locate multiple witness. My goal was to get identify other witnesses. I was also hoping to locate Burt. Did not happen and I felt dissatisfied with the results.

What I would have done differently??? Well, this was NOT an investigation interview, but I sort of wished I could have placed Costal on a polygraph, for verification purposes and not as a suspect. This would have yielded information that I could have pursued further. But remember, this is not an investigation ……… only a conversation. So, I had to accept all he provided. And I have NO intentions of pursuing this any further.

Hope I answered your questions. Stay tuned,





Had he gotten some blood samples, teeth or bone, etc, he would have had ETERNAL GLORY! Compete with H. Potter

Thank you for your time and effort Wardog. I believe your answer to Blackdog pretty well sums it up.

I also believe dblondon's literary analysis was pretty much spot on.