With all the MM bashing lately, it makes a body wonder which groups are good, so solid research, are worth the click to get to their website?

There are many....two to start with are the Alliance of Independent Bigfoot Researchers (AIBR; www.bigfootresearch.com) and Sasquatch Research Initiative (SRI; www.sasquatchonline.com). On both of these websites are links to more regional groups, like Georgia Bigfoot, Texas Bigfoot Research Center; NESRA, etc.

.....our group don't suck lemons either!

Although we come from the old school, much like Rick Noll.
Know your area,, and what it has of worth.. and eventually it will speak for its self!
Our area is shouting at us!

i'm good for the next 20 years..as are my companions..

But we will always share...as we have done in the past..we will continue to do...as long as it does not place in peril an ongoing investigation!

What ever happened to the GCBRO? Really. They still in operation? Nobody ever talks about them anymore...

That's not what I heard!!! :laugh: Just kidding...

I knew if I started listing folks I would end up missing some great groups! I apologize completely if I have left anyone out, I was just trying to give some examples..and there are a lot of groups that can be linked too from the SRI/AIBR websites. I am sorry GC...I have etched West Coast Sasquatch into my brain...brain cells were lost in the process, but it's etched none-the-less....

You know...if you lose enough brain cells..then you will become an icon...like your hubby! :laugh:

Where is the so and so..these days.?

I mean..we are lucky to have you....but no one can make me wet my pants..shirt..and computer screen.. in the same precise moment.. like your man!

You two make it very worthwhile to check in on this forum.
And my post had nothing to do with what you posted...I just wanted to hold your feet to the fire for a moment! :new_whistle: :happy:

My sweetie just retired...and unfortunately a list of honeydo's came with it. He's on #10. Number 12 is to spend more time on the BFF.



I know...ask him why we have to get a new couch cushion! :new_weirdsmiley:



So, you were trying to get me hot? That's #11 on the honeydo list!!!

They got elevated by default to just above BFRO and Bigfoot Rangers in the credibility table :laugh:

THE BIGFOOT RANGERS!! How could I forget them!?! Man, I loved those guys...

I came across some postings by someone in the "Bigfoot Rangers" once --- lmao...

Whatever happened to those guys?

One night they went out into the woods with their semiautomatics loaded, their faces blacked out, and a song in their hearts... and they were never heard from again!!!

:popcorn2:

QUOTE

and they were never heard from again!!!

:ohmy:

Well, even Peter Pan DID grow up. :new_whistle:

:wink:

One click only? I'd have to say, "Click here":

http://67.15.118.25/~skookum/

Man I was just there and was in complete awe of the research. Take a look

http://gcbro.com/TNBR.htm


some excellent research right here on this link I tell ya. And from such a renown and respected researcher.
http://www.gcbro.com/TNBFHS_0001.html

:laugh:

Two questions:

1. What do you suppose they think they're accomplishing with those blinking COPYRIGHTs all over the place?
2. If that's bigfoot hair...um, how do I put this...it appears to have come from a very specific part of the body...if you know what I mean.

OMG! You don't think Mary...um...you know...clipped some ...um......


EEEEEEWWWWWW!



Edit to say, great to see you posting Skunkhunter.

:ohmy: , we had the bark ball, now, sasquatch pubic hair.....



Bipto, do you not know yet? You have start copyrighting everything you do and say. Heck, I even started with my posts...

© 2006 Mike I - All rights reserved

On a serious note,

Which group is good?

I think there are some that are really good in regards of their Members. Do we really need to create the idea that my group is better than your group mentality? Look it what has happen at some of these groups that start out strong then fizzle out.

I think what makes a good group is what the Members bring to that group and how they conduct themselves with others.

Without doubt. In my experience, groups are never worth as much as the sum of their members. I'm looking forward to seeing what the new groups that are growing out of the ashes of the BFRO will learn from the mistakes of others.

Wow, I didnt realize Mary Green had polluted the GCBRO with her craziness. Thats sad as I seem to recall that the GCBRO was actually a pretty good organization at one point.

Georgia Bigfoot

I may have my chronology reversed, but isn't it the case that MG used to be affiliated with GCBRO and that they've long since parted ways?

I dunno, Bipt.. but by the looks of that hair picture their sporting on their website, it looks like they parted something alright. :new_weirdsmiley:
I'm afraid to ask.

What we do know is that *all* groups are better than BFRO :laugh:


First and foremost, see if there is a good local group, like TBRC, Georgia Bigfoot etc.

If there isn't, start one - it doesn't have to be grand, it doesn't have to even have a website, just a groupd of people who share the same interest.

This is *the* single best thing about bigfoot research - getting people together, and getting them outdoors.

Yes, I know some are going to talk about BFF being 'Social Bigfooting', but so what? This forum brings people together, and some of my best friends are on this forum. To date, it has been responsible for two marriages, and that can't be bad. (of course it has probably been responsible for a couple of divorces too - my own if I don't get off the computer and finish making dinner).






Don't forget to check out both AIBR and SRI - there is nothing that says you can't be a member of both, and I woudl actively encourage it.

GCBRO ?
I just got booted off of their Message Board for this exchange:
( I don't know who "Wildphotographer" is)

"I can only hope...
by Wildphotographer
that the two groups, the XXXX (BFRO) and Cryptomundo, at war with each other, will end up in mutual total distruction. If and when they do I'll be there, with an inverted umbrella, standing in the rain of money that will be falling from the sky. In my opinion, neither organization has contributed to the advancement of research, but only to the enrichment of its bank account.

What? Sympathy for the devil? NO WAY!

Posted on May 11, 2006, 1:15 PM"

.... to which Craig replied:

"Research Organization?
by Craig Woolheater
Wildlifephotographer, Cryptomundo is not a research organization, it is simply a site for posting newsworthy cryptozoological items and commentary.

Posted on May 11, 2006, 4:20 PM"

..... Wildphotographer then SLAMS! Craig & TBRC:

"What ever you call it...
by Wildphotographer
the association of certain individuals key to Cryptomundo with the XXXX make it, in my opinion, guilty by association. You see, Mr. Woolheater, I have had personal, first hand experience with the XXXX, talked to expedition members and observed the workings of XXXX XXXXXXXXXX (Matt Moneymaker), its founder and director and I would be willing to testify in a court of law as to what I saw. The XXXX, in my opinion, and its founder and any and all of its affiliate associations are, again in my opinion, nothing more than people out to take monetary advantage of the good and honest people I find in Bigfoot research.

May I ask you, sir, isn't YOUR organization, Texas Bigfoot Whatever affiliated with the XXXX?

Oh, for those in the dark, the XXXX is all I am allowed to say as this forum has justifiably ruled out any derogatory or inflammatory staements specifically naming other organizations. However, it seems like childsplay to "connect the X's" as it were.

The very fact that certain individuals have forever tarnished the BF research community has angered and upset many people. So, if you and/or any others involved directly or indirectly with the XXXX find offense in my opinion...well, that, sir, is just too damned bad.

Posted on May 11, 2006, 6:51 PM"

That's when I weighed in:

"Re: And...
by Saskwatcher
Craig Woolheater is a friend of mine & I consider him to be an asset to our Research & a good, honest man. His Texas Bigfoot "whatever" is a top-notch, Bigfoot Research Organization.
They are out there in the Field...TRYING !
XXXX & XXXX XXXXXXXXXX have nothing positive to add to our quest.... He & his bunch have been publicly discredited & shamed in the wake of the "Sunoco Video Hoax" , as well as other long-standing credibility problems. XXXX has become "Null & Void" in the Bigfoot Research Community.

Posted on May 12, 2006, 2:57 AM"

Then, Craig sets 'em straight:

"Re: What ever you call it...
by Craig
No, the TBRC is not affiliated with the XXXX. We had several members who were members of both organizations in the past. All ties were severed last year, the last taking place in September. Several members of the XXXX left that organization at that time and became members of the TBRC.

Posted on May 12, 2006, 8:30 AM"

Then, I opened up my big mouth again (& got booted !):

"Wildphotographer....
by Saskwatcher
Did that help you out any ?......the part where Craig set you straight on a few things ?......GOOD !......And, what have we learned here ?....?....
That "crow" tastes like SHHHH-----AME ?
Try not to do that whole "Character Assassination" -thing, anymore, until you have all of your "ducks-in-a-row"..... FIRST !!!
.....nobody likes to see somebody xxxx & fall back in it.

(Note to Saskwatcher: That's good advice, and about enough of it. I don't remember Craig, or anyone else asking you to run defense for him. Wildphotographer, just like everyone else on this forum, can express their personal feelings toward another group, or situation, PROVIDED they do not flame, or degrade them, and are prepared to back up their claims. He was merely stating his views about the affiliate organization. If, it irritates you that much what people say, then why not stay on your own board? I've been handling this one for years, and I think I can manage a few more without your supervision. As for falling back in it. You just did yourself. - Mod)

Posted on May 12, 2006, 3:36 PM"



I have posted on there for 6 years ... trying to get a straight answer outta those people, about the "BIG HUNT-2000 / Gut-Shot BIGFOOT" incident, but ...
NO LUCK !!! :bsflag:
They're too busy swallowing EVERYTHING "Hook-Line-& Sinker"..... nobody questions ANYTHING over there ... EVER !!!
They wouldn't last a week on the BFF !!! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

Man!...I didn't even get a chance to attend one of them "Monster Central BBQs", either !!!

Anyway... I hope this helps you decide on a reputable BF Research Group & not that bunch of "knuckle-heads" !!!

I ran across a link to the post shown above while googling something.

There are several ironies concerning Wildphotographer's inane comments on behalf of "the BF research community" that I see, among them that I think I heard that "Wild" (John Johnsen) got himself booted from the GCBRO forum. If true, I find that rather humorous.

If your into new and inventive ways of doing research then the mabrc forums is the place . Everyone is open minded there are no egos just pure research its the wave of the future .

It's true. You can only shoot your mouth off for so long before you are taken to task. I, for one, found him irritating from the moment I met him.

Pywacket, I've always wanted to ask you your opinion on the bf animals the GCBRO claim to see and hear all the time. I know you post there and I do too occaisionally. I think you have spent time in what they call Monster Central. It astounds me that they put down the BFF when you and I both know the real story on how we operate here and that we only require adequate proof regarding the claims folks often make. When I come to the BFF's defence however, the post does not get approved.

I find it intriguing that no one on that site questions anything at all but me. I understand though that it is their site and they can do what they want. I respect that and I tread very lightly when I'm there. I shouldn't really have to though...

t.

Terry, I'll do my best to answer your questions. Mind you, I am only a member of the GCBRO, I am not the official spokesperson for our group.

Anyone can post messages on the GCBRO message board. You don't have to be a member of the GCBRO to do so, and quite a few non-members do post there. But, you do have to follow the posting guidelines as set forth by the GCBRO. Being a moderated message board allows us to make sure that people follow those posting guidelines before their message is posted. You usually will not be allowed to post BS and malarkey.

Any posts you make that mention the BFF or any other BF organization will probably not be allowed because it is against the posting guidelines to name other BF organizations in your posts. We just don't want to get into argumentative and naming calling posts. And the GCBRO is not interested in what is being said on the BFF or on other message boards. It is enough work just taking care of our own board.

I am not sure what you mean that no one "on that site questions anything at all". What is there to question?

I don't believe I have read anywhere on the GCBRO message board where anyone has "put down" the BFF.

The purpose of the GCBRO as a bigfoot research organization is to "solve the mystery". PERIOD!!!

The GCBRO is under no obligation to provide evidence to anyone.

Our objective isn't to prove to anyone in any other organization, including the BFF, any of our findings or evidence. We typically keep it all in house. When some theory, finding, or evidence was shared with others, we would find ourselves getting burned for our openness and sharing. After finding that sharing is a one way street at times, we just don't share as much.

The GCBRO has taken some flak on this board for not coming forth with information, yet the GCBRO has never come to this board to post any information to begin with. Somebody read or heard of something the GCBRO supposedly has, and then comes to this board literally demanding that the GCBRO hand over it's evidence or report it's findings. It "ain't gonna happen".

Members of the GCBRO have many research areas. One of those research areas happens to be a place called Monster Central. Yes, I have been there many times like a lot of other GCBRO members. The place is very spooky. And yes, there have been quite a few bf sightings there. Don't as me why the creatures like it there so much, probably because there is a lot of forest and food in that general area.

Not everybody in the GCBRO "sees and hears bf animals all of the time". Just some of us, some of the time.

Thanks for that insight Pywacket. I haven't been to the GCBRO board in awhile. I need to get back and visit.

I have begun perusing many BF Boards lately. This one is the toughest. If you have evidence, and put it on the BFF, just have your ducks in a row, don't take it personal, and realize that the heat you feel at the moment is not all because of you or your evidence, it's because of all the idiots who came before you with shaky evidence, personal insecurities, or who were attempting to promote a hoax. SquatchCommando was a great example of how to handle that process. We (The BF community, not the British Royal Family) have to begin to draw the line somewhere, or the idiots will have us all labeled as whackos. (I know I'm new, but I don't like being labeled a whacko for someone else's insanity)

As for the other site. I think I know what we are referring to, aka, Monster Central, and it is scintilating reading. Other people there talk of continuing, almost daily encounters, and no one ever challenges them or brings up the complete lack of evidence. After the excitement of reading all the stories, I began to wonder. With ALL of these encounters, why no evidence? If you are seeing them daily, not one, but whole families, why no picutes or audio? The answer? A flash might drive them away. Maybe. But it sounds like Monster Central Station. Take that chance. You make that claim and want credibility? Bring more than a track or stick formation. I hope they are correct, and they are having that kind of success. It's not far from Texas, and I'd like to go there eventually. But I think if you see and hear them daily, you should have more evidence than someone who saw one once.

Nobody is seeing bigfoot at Monster Central on a daily basis. There have been a few sightings there by different people. There is evidence found there, continually, to indicate that the creatures seem to stay in that area.

Anybody that has actually been out in the woods, hunting bigfoot, knows how difficult it is to get any evidence. Anybody that doesn't know that, just hasn't been out in the woods looking for them.

And like I said, if the GCBRO does find anything worth wile, you won't hear about it from us on this or any other BF board.

Maybe I'm not thinking of the same site as you, and I'm not trying to insult anyone, or cast doubt on anyone's claims. I haven't been out there, so I won't pretend I know what it's like. It must be difficult or there would be more evidence after all these years. Or we are all spinning our wheels over a non-existent animal.

They are some great stories though!

No offence and I truly hope you don't take any. I imagine I've been involved with the GCBRO's board long before you came along. I was there when Mary was the queen! Your post is the old corporate line and does not answer anything I asked. I didn't know you were that involved or I wouldn't have made the post. I was asking you as a BFF supporter and I realize now I shouldn't have.

What is there to question? A supposed bf population and sign seen on a frequent basis by Jim and his close supporters. Actually on a very regular basis if you read the posts. Science cannot seem to have the same luck for some reason... Still, I would never dispute those claims as I'm not there and I'm a guest on their forum.

I have read derogatory remarks made about the BFF, the last being this summer. You must not be keeping up with the posts. I haven't got the time or skill to dig them out. They can mention other forums but when being defended, the forum under attack cannot be mentioned. I don't like that but it is the rules and it's their forum.

Much of what you have mentioned has been quoted a million times, long before you came around I suspect so that is nothing new. I won't debate it, it's a waste of time.

In any case, I thank you for the time it took to respond and I hope I'm not considered an enemy now although from your response I suppose I am. I've posted there a long time and have given and received complete respect from Bobby and later from Jim. I like those guys even though I don't necessisarily (sp?) agree with them. Many of us are here for the truth, for the science and for the hope these animals exist...even though we have our doubts. That's me but what the hell...what do I know. I guess all I ask is that they don't think I'm a ******* idiot who believes ever claim that's made. I mostly feel like the only one in that boat! ;-) All the best and thanks again.

I'm glad to see a GCBRO guy here and I hope you tell the others about the quality of many of the folks here.

t.

Terry,

It may be the "old corporate line", but it is the only line I know. I believe I answered everything you asked. Go back and read it again.

Like I said, there have been a few bf sightings at MC. Nothing I would call on a regular basis. Jim has been dealing with these creatures going on 15 years now. A lot of the reports of sightings and other stuff is an accumulation of 15 years worth of stuff. Some of those sightings were by people that are not Jim's close supporters. Some were never members of the GCBRO and some have since left the GCBRO.

And some of those sightings were by people that like Jim.

I went back and took a quick look at this summer's post on the GCBRO board and could not find anything mentioned about the BFF, derogatory or otherwise. Are you sure you are not thinking of another message board?

Terry, I don't believe I have "mentioned" anything in my earlier posts that "has been quoted a million times".

I am a member of the GCBRO and with that membership I get to enjoy the benefits of that membership. If one is not a member of an organization, then one does not get to enjoy the benefits of that organization. I don't think I need to apologize because I happen to know more about what is going on in the GCBRO, than someone that is not a member.

I should mention that I am also a member of AIBR.

I get to go camping and researching at Monster Central because Jim likes me. He likes me, not because I am one of his "followers", but because I am honestly trying to "solve the mystery", just like he is. Nobody is more interested in the "truth" than the GCBRO. We're just not going to deal with the BS and malarkey that some people want to invest in this research.

I enjoy my time here at the BFF and I know that there ARE a bunch of good folks here. Everybody that comes here is pretty much looking for the same thing.

Terry, I took no offense at your posts. I hope you don't take any from mine. If you have noticed, my posts are usually short and to the point. It is not a sign of aggravation on my part, it just happens to be my posting style.

And, I think some people think I really am my avatar.

Are you saying you don't look like that pywacket? I'm so disappointed....

Beware of Gremlins bearing chocolate!

Good enough Pywacket. All the best!

t.

In regards to the GCBRO, just look at the folks which have been booted out of their organization over th' years! I'm aquainted with a couple of guys who they booted out years ago after Monster hunter got lost in Monster Central TWICE. Granted my info is second hand, but the guys involved are ok. In fact I'm planning on attending their hunt in March. Although I'm not even sure I've seen a BF; I've seen something upright and hairy movin' thru the woods, but I didn't get a good look.

I know there was a time if you said anything about the GCBRO, you got threatened with an old fashioned whuppin" [LOL!!!] by a former wrestler with a bad back!

Not taking a swipe at the whole group, but I have read a lot of their postings, and they need to take a deep breath, get rid of th' two guys runnin' the joint and get back to researching. Idol worsip is sooooo passe'.

One should always get their facts straight before they post something about another person. I guarantee you, Monster Hunter has never gotten himself lost on his own property.

The GCBRO is one of the friendliest bigfoot research organizations, IMHO. Anybody can join, however, if you prove to be a troublemaker, you can bet you will get your butt booted out. One should consider the source when listening to any stories told from disgruntled ex-members. If they are an ex-member, then it is because they proved to be a liar, thief or cheater.

There isn't any idol worship going on in the GCBRO.

And Ranger Sam is not attending a bigfoot hunt with the GCBRO in March.

After following the GCBRO for many years now, I'd have to say that the GCBRO has to be number one for spreading more BS and misinformation than any other BF forum out there. If I, or any real BF researcher saw as many BF as Monster Hunter (Jim Lansdale) has up to now, then the mystery would have been solved long ago. He's always getting numerous BF visiting his feeders, but never do we see any concrete evidence such as a good photo or footprint of his many claims. When he's asked about this lack of evidence, he always seems to have a pitiful alibi as a defense.

I believe Jim and the gang over there spread their BS just to keep others interested in their forum of lies.

You see, I wasn't going to post here anymore because I thought the exact same thing of you.

Ya'll like to talk some smack, but I haven't seen ANYTHING credible here from anyone. There are a couple of sane folks - but the majority ruin it.

Show me some concrete evidence that you might have - little monkey avatar boy!

The GCRBO hasn't spread any goofy nonsense anywhere. Don't like what we have to say - than don't read our forums everyday looking for scraps to talk about. Guess you don't have any field work of your own to talk about... or do you?

Over the years I have seen many things we talk about - pop up over here as topics. Can't find anything else to talk about? Try this - do you own research! Hell, I even saw a thread I started over there turn up here listing me as some guy at the GCBRO said......turned out to be true... so go figure -

Roger - I have a good back. You sound like your trying hard to pick' a fight bro. Pretty sure the guy you are referencing could take you - but if he can't (and doesn't want to waste his time) and you want a match brother.... I am available. I have no problem wasting my time. I figure you might be overweight and have never been in the woods since cub scouts - I think I'm good here.

Or - PM me with the evidence you have collected yourself. Not what Meldrum says or any one else - what you have.

I'll tell you my address - we can find a meeting spot to see what you have.

You can tell me why I should think your mouthy point of view should have any merit.

I (we) have good evidence. One of the reasons it doesn't get put on the internet - is Bozo's like you!

Talk the talk - well brother - walk the walk!

I expect to get banned from here - but I don't care. Done ticked me off.

I await your reply with baited breath. Well not really - I could give a crap what you think.

Little Monkey boy avatar said:

"After following the GCBRO for many years now, I'd have to say that the GCBRO has to be number one for spreading more BS and misinformation than any other BF forum out there. If I, or any real BF researcher saw as many BF as Monster Hunter (Jim Lansdale) has up to now, then the mystery would have been solved long ago. He's always getting numerous BF visiting his feeders, but never do we see any concrete evidence such as a good photo or footprint of his many claims. When he's asked about this lack of evidence, he always seems to have a pitiful alibi as a defense.

I believe Jim and the gang over there spread their BS just to keep others interested in their forum of lies."

Show me some prof brother. Any prof will do. Back up your allegation. Easy to throw bombs at folks. Back it up.

Ah yes, once again we have 'good evidence' locked away in secret vaults where only the inner circle is allowed to worship. Yep, and I've got a dead sasquatch in my garage, I'm just waiting for the right moment to reveal it to the world.

I wouldn't presume to get into a pissing contest with anyone on this forum, especially if I didn't know what I was talking about.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, to quote Mr. Dahinden, "Without the facts, your opinion is worthless".

There is no inner circle involved with the GCBRO. Every member has equal standing. However, you have to be a member to be privy to any information/evidence that the GCBRO has.

Some people are not members, so they don't have any information. They just sit on the outside taking swipes at an organization that they know nothing about.

I first started reading this "exchange" last night. I had no intention of jumping in - but I think I will. Take my opinion for what its worth.

"What the?" and "Rounder". Yes, there have been some wild claims posted on the GCBRO message board, but the same can be said for just about any message board out there. That does not make the GCBRO any less credible than any other organization.

The internet is a HORRIBLE place to make a decision on people. Separate the people from the group. I will be the first to admit (and I am sure Pywacket will not be shocked) until I met members of the GCBRO face to face and had the chance to talk to them - I felt much the same as you do.

Jim Landsdale - yes, he comes across as harsh and tough over the internet, but he is a good man. I dont know if he is intentionally hoaxing anything, but thats a pretty harsh label to put on anyone if you have no proof, and I have no evidence that he has. I found Mr. Lansdale to be an almost painfully honest man, but someone who is very interested in ending this mystery.

I really found the comment about Bobby Hamilton unfortunate. Mr. Hamilton is a very nice man, and the bad comment about him here - is the first negative thing I have ever heard said about him. Mr. Hamilton did not have to welcome me to the weekend Barbecue, but he did - and he went out of his way to be sure I was enjoying myself. He also talked with me and answered every question I threw at him - and he did so without attitude or anger. Meeting Mr. Hamilton was an honor for me - and I am grateful for the chance.

I am known for being tough - and speaking my mind when I post here or anywhere else. I guarantee you - if half of the nasty things said about the GCBRO were true, I would have been all over them after my weekend at Monster Central. No, I seen no "monsters" - but I also didn't see the kind of people that are being described either. I had a good weekend, and met many, many very nice people.

But, that being said - the organization is not for me. They are a kill group, and I am a no kill researcher.

Separate the group from the people - then put your opinion where it belongs. I think we would all get along much better.

To whomever started this thread - if your asking about credible organizations so you can make up your mind, I would suggest you talk to the people within the organization. I read up on all the groups, I spent time reading the postings by various people involved in those organizations - and made my decision.

Hi


I don't know any of the folks on that site personally, i do like the page and info, it was recommended by a few members from right here..... i am an open minded person, i will read and study any site that interests me, thats how i learn what to look for and what to stay away from, I should be staying away from this but i have seen a lot of arguments and bashing on the forum lately with posts getting closed and people saying mean things, i personally don't think it is right to do so behind a computer.................... it is not a hard thing to be a little warm sometimes, i would hate to think how my life would be if i only had hate in my mind, I lived in South Boston, Mass during the busing days of the 70's were hate was common place, it ain't the way to live. IMHO

Peace
Tim

Can I ask everyone in this thread to just cool it a little please - I really don't want to start throwing my considerable weight around here.



For what its worth, I don't see that GCBRO has made any claims that are any wilder than those made by BFRO, and if as Pywacket has said, that they will keep any evidence to themselves, then that is entirely their perogative.

That said, if you take that stance, I don't think you have the right to demand evidence from anyone else, or frankly, even to question evidence from anyone else.


The bigfoot world needs a heck of a lot more openess in my opinion, but I'm realistic enough to know that it won't happen. My advice to anyone looking for a group to join is this: First, find a local group of people who operate in your area to hang out with - Bigfootin' people are a lot of fun, and you should enjoy it. Second, find a bigger group you feel comfortable with - BFRO, SRI, AIBR - there are lots of good people within each of these organisations, and none of these organisations are without fault. Having a foot in two camps might just keep said foot on the ground.

Melissa, your point about Mr. Hamilton being a nice person are understood, and I don't intend to mean this as a slight toward Mr. Hamilton, but a general observation should be made that being 'nice' isn't the same as being 'honest'.

Dr. Shipman here in Britain was considered by most of his patients as a 'nice' and 'honest' man, even after he was discovered to be the world's most prolific serial killer. I bet if he had held barbeques, he would have been a terrific host too.

Now, before anyone jumps down my throat, I am NOT drawing any similarities between any GCBRO member and serial killers, I'm really not (and I'm treading very carefully here), but I think we should be careful about describing people as 'honest', 'good' or 'nice' when only that person knows whether they are or not. I have worked with plenty of criminals who have told me they were honest and innocent, even when they have known that I knew exactly what they had done and that they were lying through their teeth.

Don't get fooled by someone's personality.

Well, I agree to a point Paul. As I said in my post - my opinion of Mr. Hamilton or whomever is just that - my opinion. But, my opinion is based on more than internet postings.

I have no reason to not find someone less than honest - until they give me good reason to think that. I have found nothing that says Mr. Hamilton has ever been knowingly involved in a hoax - any researcher can get caught up in one, but knowingly being a party is a different thing. But I havent heard either allegation against him.

In my opinion based on talking to him one on one, and observing him interact with other members of the group, and his children - Its my opinion he is a very good and nice man.

But, your right - good and nice does not always equal honest. Which is why I said, do not base opinions on internet postings. Get to know the people, off the board.

Sometimes that can be a shocking revelation.