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jimf
Some of this has been discussed here before, majorly in some of the conspiracy theory threads .It tends to get somewhat rediculous.

http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com...ort.php?id=1015

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IBS Report #: 1015

Location: CLARK county, WA. United States

Sighting Type: 1

Latitude: +045˚ 56' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
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Year: 1980
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Data Source: TR91
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN (PLOT SCHOOL THERE)
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: FATHER

Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF BODIES FROM MOUNT SAINT HELENS SEEN

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WA CLARK 1980 TR#91 * Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home
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http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com...ort.php?id=1365

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IBS Report #: 1365

Location: CLALLAM county, WA. United States

Sighting Type: 1

Latitude:
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Year: 1964 OR 65
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Data Source: TR18
Credibility: 2
Locality: OLYMPIC MOUNTAINS
Researcher: HARRY OAKES
Witness: DEPUTY

Sighting Type: 1
Summary: LADY ATTACKED BY BF AND KILLED

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WA CLALLAM TR18, HARRY OAKES* There's only been one case that they know of when a human was attacked... Up in the Olympics Mts. of Washington. a woman was ripped into three pieces in 1964 or 1965. The deputy that Harry met in a bar (not for sure it wasn't the alcohol talking...or maybe it loosened his tongue just enough...and it was the truth) said (talk1ng about BF, Harry was up there on a search), "We got this Bigfoot problem up here." And then he went on to say, "the guy (boyfriend) came out...he was in shock and had blood all over 'em." He made the initial report to the Forest Service..."my girl-friend's been killed." They went in there and found the woman ripped literally into pieces...the body had been separated into three parts. They thought at first it was a bear (as the news report apparently stated), but. forensic's says, "no way...there's no claw marks, (or tooth or axe marks) there's nothing (to indicate what had happened)." When they got the guy able to talk, he said, "a big creature came out...she started screaming...it scared it. It just picked her up and started pulling her apart." He got out of there and is still really upset over Bigfoot attacking his girl-friend. "This is information that was given to me second hand, and I don't even remember the name of the deputy that worked up there," Harry said (comment included for those not wanting to believe BF would hurt a human). When I asked point-blank, Harry said, "I think he was telling the truth."
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http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com...port.php?id=782
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IBS Report #: 782

Location: CHELAN county, WA. United States

Sighting Type: 1

Latitude: +047˚ 20' N
Longitude: 120˚ 34' W
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Year: 1991
Time:
Elevation: 4102

Data Source: TR82
Credibility: 1
Locality: Tronsen campground area near Blewett Pass
Researcher: Stephen Maher
Witness: PROSPECTOR

Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF FOUND, RED EYES, VOCALIZATIONS,

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WA CHELAN 1991 TR#82 47 20N 120 34W * Was contacted by Stephen Maher of the Wenatchee World for an interview about Bigfoot. He wrote a nice front page article Nov. 2nd (submitted Gordon Stomquist) that was well written and had some stuff I wasn’t aware of. One: “A man prospecting in the Tronsen campground area near Blewett Pass (WA) said he found a dead Bigfoot with red eyes in 1991. The man said he’d heard high-pitched screeches two nights earlier, and that U.S. Forest Service employees photographed the dead animal...the Forest Service has no record of the incident.” Contacted Peter Byrne to investigate the possibility of a dead Biggie...he’ll let us know. At Bigfoot Lunch it was commented that often FS employees kept their own records, and they are transfered a lot...the people who took the photos might be long gone.
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Even the false report from St.helens gets a second go around on the same site:

http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com...port.php?id=994
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IBS Report #: 994

Location: COWLITZ county, WA. United States

Sighting Type: 1

Latitude: +046˚ 15' N
Longitude: 122˚ 53' W
Day:
Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:

Data Source:
Credibility: 1
Locality: COWLITZ RIVER
Researcher: TERRY REAMS
Witness: Manatowaka Company DREDGE

Sighting Type: 1
Summary: 2 BF CORPSES FROM MT ST HELENS CORP OF ENGINEERS DREDGED

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WA COWLITZ 1980 TR#91 Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the blast Mar 20 1980). Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
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http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com...ort.php?id=1138
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IBS Report #: 1138

Location: COWLITZ county, WA. United States

Sighting Type: 1

Latitude: +045˚ 59' N
Longitude: 122˚ 22' W
Day:
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Year: MISG
Time:
Elevation: 500

Data Source: TR96
Credibility: 1
Locality: YALE
Researcher: Lauren DeShazer
Witness: AUTO DRIVER

Sighting Type: 1
Summary: BF KILLED BY CAR, FOREST SERVICE CHOPPER TAKES BODY AWAY

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WA SKAMANIA DATE TR96 * Also at the meeting. Lauren DeShazer told of talking to a fellow that told of a Bigfoot being hit and killed near Yale, WA. Hit with a car, a boy (who Lauren talked to) said he had to sit out on, and block, a road, he worked for the county roads dept., while a Forest Service chopper picked the body up. There was no date, and Lauren says he’ll talk to the fellow again for more details
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It Seems the forrest service in Washington State is a Local government version of the CIA.
Hairy Man
Stinkin' Forest Service and their choppers!!! Don't ever trust anyone willing to wear a pickle suit! :laugh:
jimf
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ May 9 2006, 06:01 PM) *
Stinkin' Forest Service and their choppers!!! Don't ever trust anyone willing to wear a pickle suit! :laugh:

:laugh: It was to the point that I was afraid to look at the "reports' for other states.
Chunk
QUOTE(jimf @ May 9 2006, 05:02 PM) *
:laugh: It was to the point that I was afraid to look at the "reports' for other states.


It has to be true..it says credibility is "1". ph34r.gif
Hairy Man
I wouldn't jim, because we all know that the Forest Service monitors those sites...they'll see you looking and they'll know that you are on to them, and who know what they may do!

This is making my head hurt...must be the tracking device the Forest Service planted in my head....
Melissa
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ May 9 2006, 05:16 PM) *
I wouldn't jim, because we all know that the Forest Service monitors those sites...they'll see you looking and they'll know that you are on to them, and who know what they may do!

This is making my head hurt...must be the tracking device the Forest Service planted in my head....


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sierra4
Here is some additional text on Mt. St. Helens taken from Bigfoot_Newsletter_Online #30, October 2001 ...

In Paul Kane's Journal, "Wanderings of an Artist," there
is found the following entry for March 26, 1847:

"When we arrived at the mouth of the Kattlepoutal River, twenty
six miles from Fort Vancouver, I stopped to make a sketch of the
volcano, Mt. St. Helen's distant, I suppose, about thirty or
forty miles. This mountain has never been visited by either whites or
Indians, the latter asserted that it is inhabited by a race of beings
of a different species, who are cannibals and whom they hold in great
dread. These superstitions are taken from the statement of a man
who, they say, went to the mountain with another and escaped the fate
of his companion who was eaten by the "skoocooms" of evil
genii. I offered a considerable bribe to any Indian who would accompany
me in its exploration but could not find one hardy enough to venture."

- ---
Mount St. Helen's erupted on May 19, 1980, blowing half the
mountain away. There was rampant devastation. I toured Mt. St. Helens
by helicopter in 1985 and what instantly became a moonscape of total
ruin and waste was still gray and barren land where elk walked the
trails of their ancient times through hip-deep ash. ...rumors
flew. One I recall and mind you it was but a rumor, mentioned a group
of FS helicopters that would lift the netted remains of burnt or dead elk and
deer to a common burial place to alleviate odor. In one instance, so
the rumor goes, hairy arms, legs and charred remains of monstrous
creatures were seen protruding from the nets hanging beneath the
flying helicopters. In 2001, the rumor persists. I believe mention
has also been made of this rumor in the "Track Record."
- ---
Wardog1078
Is there any way that someone can interview some of the NFS employees invoved? Unless it involves national security or a criminal investigation, why won't they talk about this?

Anyone who can say " I saw those bodies" can give a more powerful affidavit than someone who says "He told me he say those bodies".

If not, these alleged reports are very interesting.
jimf
QUOTE(Wardog1078 @ May 11 2006, 04:18 PM) *
Is there any way that someone can interview some of the NFS employees invoved? Unless it involves national security or a criminal investigation, why won't they talk about this?

Anyone who can say " I saw those bodies" can give a more powerful affidavit than someone who says "He told me he say those bodies".

If not, these alleged reports are very interesting.

Those emplyees would have to exist before you could interview them about it.
MountainLady
Ohhh.. but they do exist.

They're invisible.. :closedeyes:

(Gosh Jim!!! We learned this the first week of Bigfoot 101 for hell sakes! Where's yer brain?)

Just look for the trail of Pop Rocks and you'll know.
jimf
QUOTE(MountainLady @ May 11 2006, 06:48 PM) *
(Gosh Jim!!! We learned this the first week of Bigfoot 101 for hell sakes! Where's yer brain?)
I'm sorry Mrs. Mountainlady . A bigfoot ate my homework !! ( Really and truly he did,rocks are just dinner, wood pulp products are desert.)
Wardog1078
What about Fred Brashaw's dad???? Sounds like there's lots of hearsay (BS) and dead ends on those reports.

In my opinion these reports are typical of those BF reports found on the BFRO. Interesting but no eye witnesses.
Dillrod
I can not see why the Forest Service would waste time, money and man power picking up dead animals out of the forest. Its nature this makes no sence. I worked for the govnerment before and if I seen Bigfoot I'd report, take pictures or whatever. These people are just plain ole work'n folks. But I would say its possible if they found something and helped recover it for another agency, lab, university etc.
MooseMan
Maybe when you're dealing with that many critters (non BF) it becomes a health issue.

Bodies of any kind are a breading ground for disease and there would be a great many of them in a PNW disaster of that scale.
GrandCherokee
I find it hard to believe that a government would spend any excessive time or money to clean up after a natural disaster which occurred many miles from the nearest big city .
Just shut the place down for a couple of years and let nature take its course..would have been smarter and much cheaper.
I wonder how many months the NG spent in the area digging out crispy critters just to cart them off and burn them again. This would surely have been a massive undertaking which would have drained the coffers of the state! (Feds would have cut off the money flow long before that..nobody left at Mt. St. Helen to get a vote from. )
And another thought..why elk in one pile..bear in another..and creature x in another...surely they had already been counted for some obscure governmental reason? Or did they expect the next of kin to come out of the ash strewn landscape and identify their family members?? :new_whistle:
MooseMan
QUOTE(GrandCherokee @ May 12 2006, 08:45 AM) *
And another thought..why elk in one pile..bear in another..and creature x in another...surely they had already been counted for some obscure governmental reason?



That part never made any sense to me either.
VAFooter
Interesting stories, but that is all they are. Until somebody comes forward and says, "I saw it all and here is what happened..." we are left to go on 2nd (and worse) hand tales. I wish somebody would speak up, but I am not holding my breath... :eek7:
Mulder
QUOTE(jimf @ May 11 2006, 02:22 PM) *
Those emplyees would have to exist before you could interview them about it.


And your source of information that they (the FS employees), in fact do NOT exist is?

These reports may not as yet be substantiated or substantiatable, but you have no basis to dismiss them out of hand.

The question is often asked WHY the FS would participate in such a cover up...I can give you a very simple answer: the proven presence of such a creature would virtually END develpoment efforts in wilderness areas, esp the PNW. There would be an immedaite hue and cry to put BF on the Endangered Species Protection Act rolls, and lock up the majority of available timber lands as "protected habitat". The same could happen in ANY area where the presence of BF could be demonstrated. The timber, oil, and mining industries would be crippled.

That is a VERY powerful incentive to keep any official findings re BF covered up.

QUOTE(MooseMan @ May 12 2006, 10:30 AM) *
That part never made any sense to me either.


It makes a certain amount of sense if you consider that if you are going to go to the effort and expense of GATHERING these carcasses, then you might as well get some useful data (about pre eruption populations) from it by sorting and counting them.
GrandCherokee
I think the entire story is bull . The very thought that the NG would snap to like that and spend months collecting carcasses and burning them just to be sanitary is absurd. Why?

Because these are the same people who weren't able to get it together and find a map showing how to get to the city of New Orleans. And once they found out where New Orleans was located, they could not figure out what to do..or where the money was going to come from to pay for it.And as far as I know..here it is over a half year later and nothing has changed.
And yet..the NG was swarming the St. Helens area collecting elk bodies by the hundreds within days of the explosion. Yeah right!


And just how would stacking carcasses in individual piles allow for a pre-disaster census? You are just picking up carcasses which are observable on the surface...not the majority of animals who would be still buried under tons of ashes.

Sorry. This is just a different urban myth people have fallen for.
Mulder
QUOTE(GrandCherokee @ May 13 2006, 02:36 PM) *
I think the entire story is bull . The very thought that the NG would snap to like that and spend months collecting carcasses and burning them just to be sanitary is absurd. Why?

Because these are the same people who weren't able to get it together and find a map showing how to get to the city of New Orleans. And once they found out where New Orleans was located, they could not figure out what to do..or where the money was going to come from to pay for it.And as far as I know..here it is over a half year later and nothing has changed.
And yet..the NG was swarming the St. Helens area collecting elk bodies by the hundreds within days of the explosion. Yeah right!
And just how would stacking carcasses in individual piles allow for a pre-disaster census? You are just picking up carcasses which are observable on the surface...not the majority of animals who would be still buried under tons of ashes.

Sorry. This is just a different urban myth people have fallen for.


My rebuttal to that would be that :

1) just because TODAY'S government can be inefficient and/or incompetent does not mean that this has ALWAYS been the case, nor that it will continue to be the case in the furture.

2) I never said it would be a particularly ACCURATE census. I simply said I found it reasonable that some FS bureaucrat said "Hey, since we're going to all this effort anyways, lets do a "head count" on what we bring in. Not the most accurate data, but it's data, and a chance to salvage SOMETHING from this mess."
GrandCherokee
QUOTE(Mulder @ May 13 2006, 01:57 PM) *
My rebuttal to that would be that :

1) just because TODAY'S government can be inefficient and/or incompetent does not mean that this has ALWAYS been the case, nor that it will continue to be the case in the furture.

2) I never said it would be a particularly ACCURATE census. I simply said I found it reasonable that some FS bureaucrat said "Hey, since we're going to all this effort anyways, lets do a "head count" on what we bring in. Not the most accurate data, but it's data, and a chance to salvage SOMETHING from this mess."


I conceed to both of your points, as they are fair ones!

But I still believe the whole thing is a myth...unless someone comes up with some kind of documentation...or even a living eye witness, then this one ranks right up there with any alien abduction story. Except this time..the human's did the abduction.
Mulder
QUOTE(GrandCherokee @ May 13 2006, 04:27 PM) *
I conceed to both of your points, as they are fair ones!

But I still believe the whole thing is a myth...unless someone comes up with some kind of documentation...or even a living eye witness, then this one ranks right up there with any alien abduction story. Except this time..the human's did the abduction.



Fair enough. Though, I hate to say it, I also have to agree that the chances of EITHER showing up are pretty slim. IF these events happened, the people who knew in the FS would be under all sorts of NDAs, likely as not, and the paperwork would be classified to some extent (if it weren't simply "lost" when the project was done).
GrandCherokee
QUOTE(Mulder @ May 13 2006, 06:06 PM) *
Fair enough. Though, I hate to say it, I also have to agree that the chances of EITHER showing up are pretty slim. IF these events happened, the people who knew in the FS would be under all sorts of NDAs, likely as not, and the paperwork would be classified to some extent (if it weren't simply "lost" when the project was done).




If history has taught us anything..it is... that nothing is ever 'lost' by any government..unless it is convenient for them to do so....but to go down that path... defeats the purpose of this thread..wink.gif
So I will say no more! :wink:
SquatchCommando
As a prior Military member SEAL, Marine Recon , Or Army SF Type, Let me tell you that no military operation especially of that size would remain a Secret for 20 plus years, especially using National Guard members who are civilians more time out of the year, back home to talk to people wive GFs Drinking buddies, some pictures get taken ,some get out. After all this time prove would be out.
piqued
"The wildlife death toll was upward of 5,000 black-tailed deer, 1,500 Roosevelt elk, 200 black bear, and millions of birds and fish; the economic loss included 4.5 billion board feet of usable timber on 96,000 acres."

From this page...

NWSource

We could debate bureaucratic shortcomings all day long, I'm sure, with that many large carcasses, there is an incentive to clean them up--especially as many might have been pushed downstream in mud flows toward larger waterways, causing a vector risk.

Now...if there ARE sasquatch, and that IS a prime Sasquatch area, statsitically speaking there could be at least one BF corpse represented among all of those recovered. I'm no scientist, but I do have an itty bit of common sense.

And I wholeheartedly agree that there are many reasons for covering up the discovery of a sasquatch carcass, for the reasons mentioned above.
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