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tugboatwa
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Is Bigfoot Smarter Than We Are?
There may be a very good reason why Bigfoot has not been captured


EVERY YEAR brings hundreds of new sightings of Bigfoot, or Sasquatch, in North America. Most come in the spring and summer months when more people are apt to be venturing into the wilderness to camp, fish and hike.

The sightings have occurred for hundreds of years – by the European settlers who explored Sasquatch territory, and before that by the Native Americans who seemed to be familiar with this giant of the forest.

The sightings have been reported by casual campers and experienced outdoorspeople alike. Many have gotten a good look at this amazing creature. Their descriptions are remarkably consistent, from the details of its height and hair color to its nauseating stench.

The eyewitness accounts are so numerous and compelling that any fair-thinking person must entertain the idea that there really is a large, hairy biped out there.

Amazingly evasive

So why haven't we captured one? Why isn't there better photographic evidence? Why have we not found any dead bodies?

The best physical evidence we have to date are large footprints that clearly show dermal ridges (fingerprint-like markings on the feet) and a few hair samples that at best have proved interesting but inconclusive. What little photographic and cinematic pictures we have are mired in controversy and accusations of hoaxes. While fascinating and worthy of our analysis, they are not conclusive. Sound recordings of what some say are its distant howling are haunting, but do not constitute proof.

With more and more people each year enjoying the wilderness and actively searching for Sasquatch, how is it that it remains so evasive? Is Bigfoot smarter than we are?

Surely, with all of the technology we have at our disposal – products of our intellectual superiority over the rest of the animal kingdom – we should be able to capture or at least photograph clearly one of these creatures. Why hasn't it happened?

We have night-vision equipment and motion-triggered cameras. Bigfoot traps have even been constructed, going back as far as 1974. Many other types of wild animals have been spotted with night vision and photographed with motion-triggered gadgets. Such animals – even the wiliest in the forest – have been trapped and captured alive. And, of course, man routinely hunts and kills them.

But not Sasquatch.

How intelligent is it?

Sasquatch evades our best attempts with our most clever technology.

How? There are two reasons I can think of:

1. Bigfoot is not really out there after all.
2. It's too smart.

If, for the sake of argument, we agree that Bigfoot does exist (all those good eyewitness accounts are hard to dismiss), must we conclude that the creature is outsmarting us? How can this be? Is the Bigfoot smarter than every other wild animal of the forest – from deer to bear to fox and even more exotic creatures, all of which have been outwitted by our technology?

Could a human being even evade such technology?

Put a person of above-average intelligence in the middle of a forest for 24 hours where there has been set up man-size traps and camouflaged motion-triggered cameras. How well do you think he’d do? Assuming he's moving around looking for something to eat or drink, he would probably do well at avoiding the traps if he was very cautious. But he would almost certainly be photographed by hidden motion-triggered cameras, especially when it began to get dark. (This might actually be an interesting experiment!)

Again, Bigfoot has managed to escape the shutter of such hidden cameras. Can we therefore conclude that it is smarter than a human being?

By some indications, the Sasquatch is an intelligent primate, although how intelligent is not known. Obviously, it does not approach human intelligence, as we measure it. There are no Bigfoot-made towns, mills, writings or shoes. There may be use of primitive tools and possibly even language, but there's no conclusive evidence for those either. It doesn’t sound like he’s smarter than humans.

More than smart

Perhaps "smarter" isn’t the right word. Perhaps he's more aware – and I mean that in the largest possible sense. I mean it in terms of psychic awareness. I'm sure this idea turns some people right off, but, hey, it's just an idea, and I'm certainly not the first one to offer it.

It has been theorized that psychic abilities – or sixth sense – in humans may a vestigial remnant of the instincts our ancient ancestors once possessed. Virtually all animals are driven by instincts that, to a large extent, determine their behavior, and certainly our primate ancestors possessed them as well to be able to survive. As man became more intelligent, his instincts became less and less necessary. Man could figure things out for himself and didn’t need instincts as much to drive his behavior.

But did we lose something in the process? Is instinct merely programming in the genetic code? Or might it be something more – a connectedness to other living things and all living systems? Many animals seem to have this heightened awareness. They can sense when earthquakes are coming, for example. A lost pet retriever can find her way to her family over hundreds, even thousands of miles. The examples are endless and well-documented.

Psychic abilities in humans – from clairvoyance to remote viewing – might demonstrate that we can still tap into that connectedness and perform some remarkable feats.

Different evolution

Back to Bigfoot. Is it possible that this creature, which may be a divergent hominid species with which he share a common ancestor, has not only retained its primal instincts, but has evolved them into psychic abilities that surpass anything we can currently muster? As we evolved intellectually, perhaps this creature evolved psychically.

We evolved our intellect to survive and dominate. It may be that Sasquatch evolved its psychic senses to likewise survive in a world increasingly dominated by its clothed cousin who, year by year, encroaches more and more on its home forests. If it does have this heightened sixth sense, Sasquatch might "know" when and how we are trying to capture and photograph him. Even a hidden camera might retain enough of a human imprint that the creature can detect and avoid.

I have a feeling, however, that this psychic sense will not forever protect the Sasquatch. Sooner or later we're going to catch up with it and prove its existence definitively. When we do, I only hope we’re smart enough to respect it.
ZogTheFuzzy
Tug: I have no problem with you bringing this point up, but...nah. Assuming his existence, he's not as smart as us (nor is he more "aware"), just a very rare, intelligent, mostly NOCTURNAL animal.

Anyway, if he was all that in psychic department, then why would there be "hundreds of new sightings of Bigfoot, or Sasquatch, in North America"?!
BigTex
In the woods, his domain, he most certainly is.....just ask the Indians.
Snow Kitty
:new_weirdsmiley: I really don't like that word, "psychic", it brings to mind all sorts of warm and cuddley romantic ideas, like garlic. :new_whistle:
But what I think is accurate is more "aware". I see differing levels of human awareness of environment all the time, and so does everyone else. The ditz in the grocery store who about runs you over with her shopping cart, no idea that you are there. That idiot talking on his cell phone who would not let you merge onto the freeway, ( or without, as it happens ) the moron who cuts in front of a loaded tractor-trailer and slams on the brakes, we all see lack of attention everyday in these and other ways. I compare usual human awareness in the wilds to these actions. Most people do not hear or see, or smell the wild world. At best, we visit it. Stepping into the Sas habitat is like someone walking into your kitchen. I'll bet that most people would know when someone enters there house, announced or not. Sas knows when we walk into his, in a myriad of physical real ways that we do not even notice. Can and do they make mistakes, you bet, that is how some sightings occur, nobody, not even Sas is perfect. But I think on awareness level, they are probably way better than the human average. :laugh:
Just_reading_posts
I know a lot of people who hunt for deer and trukey all the time but come up empty handed. Now there are a lot more deer and turkey than there are sasquatches running around. Now add that to the fact that the smartest deer or turkey won't rival an average chimp for example. So no we have an intelligent ape running around with instincts honed from living in the woods for thousands of years. I don't see the point surely I should be able to find one simply by walking out the back door and into the woods. :new_whistle:
chronic
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Perhaps "smarter" isn’t the right word. Perhaps he's more aware – and I mean that in the largest possible sense. I mean it in terms of psychic awareness.



A shark is "more aware" of a blood drop in the water than you or I ever will be, so by that logic, it must be "psychic".

Dionne Warwick is aware of not one thing, and yet she is psychic.

Therefore, Dionne Warwick is less intelligent than a fish.

Yet some people send her money.

To recap: all sharks are psychic, some people are pretty stupid, and sasquatch's bipedal brain has evolved at the same rate as ours, yet he has mustered enough common sense not to call a psychic hotline.
Chewy
And it really helps that they're mainly nocturnal, and we're not. Plus, the like the deep woods apparently. Makes them seem smart.

Or to put it another way, "You know better than that, individuals are smart, Bigfoots are stupid."
Snow Kitty
QUOTE(Chewy @ May 4 2006, 07:47 PM) *
Or to put it another way, "You know better than that, individuals are smart, Bigfoots are stupid."


Cool, MIB. :icon_abduct:
moregon
For those who think bigfoot is just an animal, and use that hypothesis to form the way they search for it, a question. What harm would it do, if you altered your techniques, to make them successful if you were tracking a human? You know if you developed a technique good enough to catch a human, there should be no problem getting pictures or whatever of a bigfoot, if it is just an animal. That way there would be no danger of underestimating it's intelligence.
Chewy
Moregon -

Sorry, but I've got to disagree with you. You leave the door too wide open when you say "tracking a human". Most "humans" are lumbering, nearsighted, self-absorbed lumoxes with no sense of their surroundings when in the woods. I think maybe you should say rather try to catch an American Indian human or an outdoorsman human.
Jimotheous
QUOTE(moregon @ May 4 2006, 08:03 PM) *
For those who think bigfoot is just an animal, and use that hypothesis to form the way they search for it, a question. What harm would it do, if you altered your techniques, to make them successful if you were tracking a human? You know if you developed a technique good enough to catch a human, there should be no problem getting pictures or whatever of a bigfoot, if it is just an animal. That way there would be no danger of underestimating it's intelligence.



There are a few problems with that reasoning.

1.We can predict human behavior (even a ridiculously stupid human) because there is ample information on human behavior. Humans (even hunted/wanted ones) tend to gravitate toward other humans and easy shelter and food.

2. If Bigfoot is a real animal we really don't know squat about it. Intelligence aside we don't know it's hearing, smell or sight abilities. A stupid animal with highly attuned senses is hard to trap or even photograph if it naturally shies away from anything unusual, is nocturnal and keeps to cover. An intelligent animal with those tendancies would seem doubly hard to find.

3. A person that doesn't want to be found and has some survival ability is hard to find in the wild, how much harder a fairly intelligent animal? I read somewhere (maybe even here, I might try to search later) about a man and a girl that lived in a park or some kind of public wooded area for I think 3 years (maybe more, don't remember) before anyone found them. They weren't moving and lived in an obvious human shelter within a few hundred yard of a trail people used frequently.

Finding a shy, nocturnal and intelligent animal we know very little about ain't easy. wacko.gif
NWSquatcher
ph34r.gif While working for the Forest Service girdling larch plantations (mistletoe disease) in the Selkirk Wilderness (4 of us), were stalked by a bear. This was in roadless Grizz habitat. There was fresh scat (steaming, cold March morning). We had hiked over 3 miles into this plantation, making noise, talking. :new_whistle: We spent about 3 hours working before deciding to leave because that bear wanted us to. We never sighted him, he circled us. This plantation was on a steep side hill, 15 acres, covered in dense brush partially rocky.

Smart bear, perhaps, but a bear that wanted us out of his habitat, he gave us plenty of warning to leave by making his presence known. We'd each taken 1/4 sections of the plantation, we were girdling using polaski's, making enough noise, checking in with each other by yelling every once in a while. Moving from the outside of the plot toward the interior. It was a long hike back out due to never knowing if this bear was going to show and attack. :new_lmaosmiley: Just so you know, we would yell out if we found fresh scat, because we were in protected Grizz habitat, you can not do anything to stress or endanger the bears.......... at first we thought it was a random scat from the bear leaving as we approached.

I can only assume that Sasquatch is somewhat similiar to the grizzley bear in conditioning or habituation of humans. They are protective of their habitat, they give you opportunity to leave them alone (most of the time) and at other times they are curious. This bear appeared smart in his tactics, he circled us, he gave us warning, yet he never let us see him. I can't explain the bears actions as I am not a wildlife professional. I can tell you all this, I have spent enough time in the wilderness (not a hunter, Forest Worker) to see animals in their natural settings and the only animal I know to date that is not necessarily disturbed by human presence is Moose, we have had them come right into our plots during felling projects as if we didn't exist all while chainsaws and fellers are yelling going on.

You read or hear about the sightings of Sasquatch, and it appears that there is varied responses to human interaction, perhaps there is a connection to conditioning or habituation, how habitated the area is by humans at any given time. Why are some humans intimidated to leave an area (not harmed, just warned), others have experienced curious encounters where they check each other out or camp items are gone through, and then you have vehicle experiences where they act like we don't exist and go on their way without hesitation. Do they recognize our features are similiar to theirs in some respect? I have read about their aggressive behavior to dogs, perhaps this aggression is attributed to wild dog and wolf packs and the dogs hunting tactics. Is Bigfoot smart, I think no smarter than other wild animals who are conditioned/adapted to live in various climates and topography. Does anyone know of a database that correlates the types sightings (aggressive, curious, non-interest) and density of humans, perhaps there is some insight into why they react as they do under given circumstances.

I believe the sightings reports in general give you an idea of some intelligence, not homo sapien intellengence, other mammels have forms of intelligence that have been studied and reported as scientific fact. Take whales and dolphins as an example. Have we evolved and quit adapting and they have not evolved and continue to adapt, is there intelligence involved or is this a conditioned response?

I think this discussion is extremely interesting and I have enjoyed the various input :laugh:
larryk
QUOTE(chronic @ May 4 2006, 05:11 PM) *
A shark is "more aware" of a blood drop in the water than you or I ever will be, so by that logic, it must be "psychic".

Dionne Warwick is aware of not one thing, and yet she is psychic.

Therefore, Dionne Warwick is less intelligent than a fish.

Yet some people send her money.

To recap: all sharks are psychic, some people are pretty stupid, and sasquatch's bipedal brain has evolved at the same rate as ours, yet he has mustered enough common sense not to call a psychic hotline.


:icon_really_happy_guy: :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
BobZenor
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Could a human being even evade such technology?

Put a person of above-average intelligence in the middle of a forest for 24 hours where there has been set up man-size traps and camouflaged motion-triggered cameras. How well do you think he’d do? Assuming he's moving around looking for something to eat or drink, he would probably do well at avoiding the traps if he was very cautious. But he would almost certainly be photographed by hidden motion-triggered cameras, especially when it began to get dark. (This might actually be an interesting experiment!)

Again, Bigfoot has managed to escape the shutter of such hidden cameras. Can we therefore conclude that it is smarter than a human being?

By some indications, the Sasquatch is an intelligent primate, although how intelligent is not known. Obviously, it does not approach human intelligence, as we measure it. There are no Bigfoot-made towns, mills, writings or shoes. There may be use of primitive tools and possibly even language, but there's no conclusive evidence for those either. It doesn’t sound like he’s smarter than humans.

People are probably intrinsically smarter but so what. Being smarter will only get you so far. If you are dropped into the wilderness you will likely die unless someone has taught you some basic survival skills. The average person would be a complete idiot in the wilderness compared to a sasquatch even if a sasquatch were only as smart as a chimp. Even a chimp has the cultural knowledge from being taught about the local environment by family members. Not only would the average person be a relative idiot in the wilderness, he would also likely be physically challenged and not able to travel efficiently through the forest. That reminds me of when it took me over an hour to travel 1/4 mile through the Siskiyous forest in northern California. It was probably at least 25 miles in any direction to the next road. Because it was so rare for me to see another human in those kinds of areas, it makes me think there are still plenty of places to hide where no camera trap has ever been. That is probably more likely than some ability of sasquatch to avoid them.

There have been several hominids with brains much larger than chimps in the fossil record. Those hominids were probably not just carrying around the extra brain for ballast so they were very likely much smarter than chimps. Even if sasquatch were descended from one of the relatively stupid hominids, it would still know more of the wilderness than the average human dumped into the forest. A chimp might be smart enough that it could learn to avoid humans. I have doubts that they could avoid us as well as sasquatch seems able to do. It would seem to me more likely that it was descended from one of the smarter hominids.

I haven't seen any evidence that has convinced me that sasquatch is not in fact descended from one of the smarter hominids like one of the archaic Homo erectus. It is very easy for me to believe that no scientists have any idea how advanced technologically many races or species of Homo erectus were. I find the evidence of tools found near fossil hominids to be almost useless in determining who made it when there more than one type of hominid present. That would pretty much cover all Asian erectus fossils with "advanced" technology. In my mind there is no need to invent another animal because erectus is nearly ideal as a candidate. If one of the archaic erectus is the ancestor of Bigfoot, it would probably be much smarter than a chimp yet not splitting too many atoms.
moregon
QUOTE(Chewy @ May 4 2006, 08:12 PM) *
Moregon -

Sorry, but I've got to disagree with you. You leave the door too wide open when you say "tracking a human". Most "humans" are lumbering, nearsighted, self-absorbed lumoxes with no sense of their surroundings when in the woods. I think maybe you should say rather try to catch an American Indian human or an outdoorsman human.


I wouldn't go as far as to give credit to ALL outdoorsman or even ALL Native Americans to being any more adept in the outdoors than anyone else. Here's the point I'm trying to make. We already know there have been a number of cases in the past, where humans have existed for years and years in the outdoors in close proximity to towns and villages. In some cases the residents of those towns and villages had no idea those humans were anywhere around. In cases like Japanese solidiers who were still coming out of the jungles and still surrendering after World War II.

Here's an excerpt from a book review of "No Surrender" by Lt. Hiroo Onoda.

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Hunted in turn by American troops, the Philippine army and police, hostile islanders, and eventually successive Japanese search parties, Onoda had skillfully outmaneuvered all his pursuers, convinced that World War II was still being fought and waiting for the day when his fellow soldiers would return victorious.


Book Review
2nd Lt. Hiroo Onoda

He walked out of the jungles of the Phillipines, finally surrendering in 1974, almost 30 years AFTER the war was over!


And of course there is ISHI, reportedly the last Yahi Indian. An entire "Stone Age" tribe that remained hidden for the most part from those in Northern California until the early 1900s.

Ishi
Huntster
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...Perhaps "smarter" isn’t the right word. Perhaps he's more aware – and I mean that in the largest possible sense. I mean it in terms of psychic awareness...


I read this article the other day, and found it significant. It's going in the right direction, but not on the right path.

I believe sasquatches are more aware than smart (although, being a higher primate, they should possess more intelligence than the average mammal, too). And I'm not talking psychic awareness, but sensory awareness, just like other animals.



QUOTE(NWSquatcher @ May 4 2006, 10:44 PM) *
ph34r.gif While working for the Forest Service girdling larch plantations (mistletoe disease) in the Selkirk Wilderness (4 of us), were stalked by a bear.....

....We spent about 3 hours working before deciding to leave because that bear wanted us to. We never sighted him, he circled us.....

....Smart bear, perhaps, but a bear that wanted us out of his habitat, he gave us plenty of warning to leave by making his presence known.....


Classic bear behavior. No special smarts there.

Did you hear him "whoof", or pop his teeth? That would have indicated that it wasn't curiosity, but agitation.

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...I have spent enough time in the wilderness (not a hunter, Forest Worker) to see animals in their natural settings and the only animal I know to date that is not necessarily disturbed by human presence is Moose, we have had them come right into our plots during felling projects as if we didn't exist all while chainsaws and fellers are yelling going on....


Try to find those damned moose during hunting season. :icon_bang:

That, too, is classic moose behavior. I worked for years actually cutting down forests specifically to create moose browse. They actually come running when they smell the cut trees. They eat the tips of buds and branches, and when you cut the tree down, they can then reach buds that they couldn't reach while the tree stood. What's more, they seem to know what you're doing, and won't get aggressive or try to run you off from their new dinnertable. I've run a Blount Hydro-ax (loud, scary, and throwing branches, rocks, etc hard, and for long distances) while the moose stood mere yards away browsing on what you just cut down.

I do the same thing for my goat at home. After the deciduous vegetation starts to green up (which will be in a week or so from now), I'll go out and cut some saplings down for her to browse on the tender buds. She goes absolutely crazy!
Tyler
Bigfoot is I guess somewhat smart.Not finding one after all this time is a sign that they are intelligent but you have to figure that at least a few of them were not too intelligent.Some must have been retarded or something.Also bigfoot have run in front of cars before and I dont think thats so smart.
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