NATUREBOY
Apr 23 2006, 07:05 AM
Just saw an Interview of Bipedal on Bigfootencounters.com. Don't know if this has already been discussed here, but
CONGRATULATIONS to Bipedal on a great interview (formerly Bipedal) (you'll always be Bipedal to me)
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/interviews/mel_skahan.htm :new_specool:
Teresa
Apr 23 2006, 07:21 AM
Nice one Mel.

Not sure I'd have mentioned the spiritual aspect or any UFOs but it was your interview and you were true to yourself and your beliefs. Nice job.
Terry
Apr 23 2006, 10:09 AM
QUOTE(ARsquatch @ Apr 23 2006, 07:58 AM)

Not sure I'd have mentioned the spiritual aspect or any UFOs
Me neither. The story of finding the tracks was interesting though.
I don't know, I find native stories and superstitions interesting but suspicious. Word of mouth history leaves lots of room for the narrator and I think the original fact gets lost in the telling. IMHO a lot of the stories had entertainment value during a time when there was little entertainment. Good teaching aids as well. Scientific fact? Probably not. Kind of like my Irish background that talked about the wee people. You can't hang your hat on that either. :wink:
t.
NATUREBOY
Apr 23 2006, 03:33 PM
QUOTE(ARsquatch @ Apr 23 2006, 09:58 AM)

Nice one Mel.
Not sure I'd have mentioned the spiritual aspect or any UFOs but it was your interview and you were true to yourself and your beliefs. Nice job.
QUOTE(Terry @ Apr 23 2006, 12:46 PM)

Me neither. The story of finding the tracks was interesting though.
I don't know, I find native stories and superstitions interesting but suspicious. Word of mouth history leaves lots of room for the narrator and I think the original fact gets lost in the telling. IMHO a lot of the stories had entertainment value during a time when there was little entertainment. Good teaching aids as well. Scientific fact? Probably not. Kind of like my Irish background that talked about the wee people. You can't hang your hat on that either. :wink:
t.
Why? Cause it's frowned upon here?? Cause MOST B/F researchers have some sort of hangup on it??? So, someone should just ignore facts becuase other's don't like them. Personally I don't relate B/F's to anything paranormal, however, if someone says Natureboy I saw a UFO and damned if I didn't see a Bigfoot 2 minutes later. Am I suppose to leave out the fact of the UFO when telling the story? I applaud him for keeping an open mind when confronted with things that aren't congruent with his beliefs(or others). Personally, I'm glad he mentioned it.
Volsquatch
Apr 23 2006, 04:12 PM
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 23 2006, 06:10 PM)

Why? Cause it's frowned upon here?? Cause MOST B/F researchers have some sort of hangup on it??? So, someone should just ignore facts becuase other's don't like them. Personally I don't relate B/F's to anything paranormal, however, if someone says Natureboy I saw a UFO and damned if I didn't see a Bigfoot 2 minutes later. Am I suppose to leave out the fact of the UFO when telling the story? I applaud him for keeping an open mind when confronted with things that aren't congruent with his beliefs(or others). Personally, I'm glad he mentioned it.
Facts??? What facts? Careful now Skippy, this aint the frappr crappr anymore.
I'm not glad that he mentioned it. Bringing that particular aspect into the equation only serves to further perpetuate the age-old stereotype which labels all 'bigfoot enthusiast and researchers' as freaks and nutjobs. He might as well had mentioned Fox's seeing-eye hawk and his ability to make movies play in people's head.
1sunseeker
Apr 23 2006, 04:19 PM
I am a little sketchy on the UFO connection. But what do I know? I have never seen either. I lean toward BF being a very smart mammal. Not human, not UFO, not primate. Nowhere have I read that he has tools. Nor does he have fire. A space ship? Well, not in my forest. Since I believe there are so few of them we only see the ones that are migrating or looking for love. It seems most reports are of young males. The young or family sightings are pretty few and far between.
Now as far as the Native American legends, I have a tendency to give them credit. These are stories that have been passed down and guarded very carefully. Parables perhaps, but if we can believe the parables in the bible why not the Native Americans? Since the Native Americans did not have a written language they used oral language and their petroglyphs to record information.
NATUREBOY
Apr 23 2006, 04:35 PM
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ Apr 23 2006, 06:49 PM)

Facts??? What facts? Careful now Skippy, this aint the frappr crappr anymore.
I'm not glad that he mentioned it. Bringing that particular aspect into the equation only serves to further perpetuate the age-old stereotype which labels all 'bigfoot enthusiast and researchers' as freaks and nutjobs. He might as well had mentioned Fox's seeing-eye hawk and his ability to make movies play in people's head.
When I said facts, I was speaking hypotheticaly SKIPPY. I was trying to make a point, which was obviosly lost on you, which is no big surprise. I hate to sound like a simpleton, but you are such an ignorant person it actually amazes me. What you call freaks and nutjobs, are simply people with different beliefs than you or I. And I hate to tell you this SKIPPY, there is 100% more evidence of UFO's (whether UFO's are from Mars or Earth) than there is of Bigfoot, NO MATTER what you think or say. So really all you've done by your post, is prove YOU ARE EXACLY LIKE the people who call us nutjobs and freaks for believing in B/F. . .Good Job SKIPPY
I started this thread as a way to congratulate Mel not to have his accomplishment tarnished by certain people on this forum, such as yourself who pop up in the middle of a thread with a smart-ass comment trying to discredit something you don't believe in. It's such a shame, it always comes to this. While I don't agree with part of Arsquatch's & Terry's post, at least they did it in a respectful, dignified way. If I sounded a bit harsh towards them, I am truly sorry. If I sounded harsh towards you SKIPPY, I am in no way sorry. No dice. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Volsquatch
Apr 23 2006, 04:45 PM
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 23 2006, 07:12 PM)

When I said facts, I was speaking hypotheticaly SKIPPY. I was trying to make a point, which was obviosly lost on you, which is no big surprise. I hate to sound like a simpleton, but you are such an ignorant person it actually amazes me. What you call freaks and nutjobs, are simply people with different beliefs than you or I. And I hate to tell you this SKIPPY, there is 100% more evidence of UFO's (whether UFO's are from Mars or Earth) than there is of Bigfoot, NO MATTER what you think or say. So really all you've done by your post, is prove YOU ARE EXACLY LIKE the people who call us nutjobs and freaks for believing in B/F. . .Good Job SKIPPY
Wow....just...wow.
Who
I call freaks and nutjobs? And
I'm the one that missed the point?
Um, oooookkkaaayyyy...... :eek7:
NATUREBOY
Apr 23 2006, 04:52 PM
QUOTE(1sunseeker @ Apr 23 2006, 06:56 PM)

I am a little sketchy on the UFO connection. But what do I know? I have never seen either. I lean toward BF being a very smart mammal. Not human, not UFO, not primate. Nowhere have I read that he has tools. Nor does he have fire. A space ship? Well, not in my forest. Since I believe there are so few of them we only see the ones that are migrating or looking for love. It seems most reports are of young males. The young or family sightings are pretty few and far between.
Now as far as the Native American legends, I have a tendency to give them credit. These are stories that have been passed down and guarded very carefully. Parables perhaps, but if we can believe the parables in the bible why not the Native Americans? Since the Native Americans did not have a written language they used oral language and their petroglyphs to record information.
Nice post Sunseeker. I tend to agree. I don't relate B/F to anything paranormal, however I won't critcize someone for having a differnet pardigm than I. As far as Native American parables, you make a great point. Why is it our society can believe in the Bible, but not in their fables.
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ Apr 23 2006, 07:22 PM)

Wow....just...wow.
Who
I call freaks and nutjobs? And
I'm the one that missed the point?
Um, oooookkkaaayyyy...... :eek7:

You're SO funny!! . . .and at least they had the class to congratulate him. (which he deserves)
Teresa
Apr 23 2006, 04:52 PM
Let me first say, Mel and I are friends. I meant no disrespect at all toward Mel with my post. I simply said I, as in me, would not have mentioned UFOs. I wasn't doing the interview, Mel was and he gave the interview he felt was appropriate. I'm not judging Mel or putting down his beliefs, I merely stated if it had been me, and it wasn't, I would probably not have mentioned UFOs.
Teresa
Volsquatch
Apr 23 2006, 05:00 PM
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 23 2006, 07:12 PM)

I hate to sound like a simpleton, but you are such an ignorant person it actually amazes me. ...
...not to have his accomplishment tarnished by certain people on this forum, such as yourself who pop up in the middle of a thread with a smart-ass comment trying to discredit something you don't believe in. .. If I sounded harsh towards you SKIPPY, I am in no way sorry. No dice. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 23 2006, 07:29 PM)

[You're SO funny!! . . .and at least they had the class to congratulate him. (which he deserves)
Very predictable behavior, just like we saw out of you at frappr.
Now, let's see.... I'm ignorant and have no class, simply because I stated my opinion on the matter. Does that about sum it up, or would you like to show your ass and blow another fuse in front of the entire class?
NATUREBOY
Apr 23 2006, 05:08 PM
QUOTE(ARsquatch @ Apr 23 2006, 07:29 PM)

Let me first say, Mel and I are friends. I meant no disrespect at all toward Mel with my post. I simply said I, as in me, would not have mentioned UFOs. I wasn't doing the interview, Mel was and he gave the interview he felt was appropriate. I'm not judging Mel or putting down his beliefs, I merely stated if it had been me, and it wasn't, I would probably not have mentioned UFOs.
Teresa
I understand and I appologize to you & Terry for implying you were in some way putting him down. Obviously you two had the class to congratulate him and were the first 2 to do it. Again, please accept my appology. . .I realize this forum is for, let's say, people with certain beleiefs. In other words those of us that believe B/F is flesh/blood. And that's fine, it's my belief also. Wasn't necessarily trying to turn the conversation into UFO/Paranormal discussion. I just don't think anyone beliefs should be minimized because of it. I have my beliefs, but I reserve the right to be wrong.
NATUREBOY
Apr 23 2006, 05:20 PM
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ Apr 23 2006, 07:37 PM)

Very predictable behavior, just like we saw out of you at frappr.
Now, let's see.... I'm ignorant and have no class, simply because I stated my opinion on the matter. Does that about sum it up, or would you like to show your ass and blow another fuse in front of the entire class?
Careful there SKIPPY, wouldn't want you to lool like a hypocrite. I may have a history on the Frappr but looks like you have one here. Like here (
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...ic=6709&st=160) where you show yo ass. (think I can find a few more ex. if you want) You are amusing, I'll give you that.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Volsquatch
Apr 23 2006, 05:29 PM
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 23 2006, 07:57 PM)

Careful there SKIPPY, wouldn't want you to lool like a hypocrite. I may have a history on the Frappr but looks like you have one here. Like here (
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...ic=6709&st=160) where you show yo ass. (think I can find a few more ex. if you want) You are amusing, I'll give you that.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
First let me say that I am proud of just about every post that I have ever made to this forum, including the ones that you have provided a link for. Second, this is last time that I will respond to you for two reasons: 1) Because this thread is about Mel's interview and I will not be a party to a hijacking of it; and 2) Because you are exhibiting trollish behavior, in the very same manner that you did at frappr.
I have a long history here at BFF's, and I am confident that those who know me will not have their opinion swayed by the likes of you.
Looks like some of the trash that got swept in from frappr is finally rearing it's ugly head.
NATUREBOY
Apr 23 2006, 05:46 PM
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ Apr 23 2006, 08:06 PM)

First let me say that I am proud of just about every post that I have ever made to this forum, including the ones that you have provided a link for. Second, this is last time that I will respond to you for two reasons: 1) Because this thread is about Mel's interview and I will not be a party to a hijacking of it; and 2) Because you are exhibiting trollish behavior, in the very same manner that you did at frappr.
I have a long history here at BFF's, and I am confident that those who know me will not have their opinion swayed by the likes of you.
Looks like some of the trash that got swept in from frappr is finally rearing it's ugly head.
LOL!!! I'll say it again Vol, you are amusing. Calm down before you have a heart attack for goodness sake! :bsflag: (see I can use the little faces too)
JayleeD
Apr 23 2006, 05:59 PM
Hang around here long enough Natureboy and you will learn that the one thing I can not and will not tolerate as a moderator of this board, are people calling other posters names like "ignorant person". And yes, before you say anything, "skippy" is a heck of a lot different than ignorant person.
Anyone can state their opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but you can't get away with calling them an ignorant person because they disagree with you, or you with them.
Dillrod
Apr 23 2006, 06:05 PM
I doubt if there is any connection between UFO's and Bigfoot other than the crack pipe connection!
Otherwise the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa should be added to the mix which everyone look like fools.
Thats my two cents worth.
Teresa
Apr 23 2006, 06:07 PM
I can think of a lot of things to call Vol (darlin, sweetie, etc) ignorant sure wouldn't be one of them.

QUOTE(Dillrod @ Apr 23 2006, 07:42 PM)

I doubt if there is any connection between UFO's and Bigfoot other than the crack pipe connection!
Otherwise the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa should be added to the mix which everyone look like fools.
Thats my two cents worth.
Hey now...leave the easter bunny out of this, mister
Melissa
Apr 23 2006, 06:33 PM
First of all - let me say congrats to Mel - formerly BiPedal

I give you credit for sticking to your guns and saying what you think
Hello NatureBoy
I agree - everyone is entitled to their opinion.. Even you. But, So is Volsquatch. You jumped up and down, and threw a fit like it was personal - you say you believe this animal is flesh and blood - yet when someone said they wouldnt have included a UFO sighting in a sasquatch report (which is the right of every investigator to include or not ) - you were up and ready to fight,, which makes me wonder about what you really believe.
I agree with ARsquatch, and Terry and Vols - but that doesnt mean I dont give credit to Mel - and I think he is a great guy.. Why did you take this so personal?
Feel free to bash me now
damndirtyape
Apr 23 2006, 07:14 PM
Nice job Mel... but I am a little confused. I was asked to ask you for an interview as a First Nations member and you said you would like to if in fact you were a member but that you weren't... so are you or aren't you?
Strange lights have always been seen around the Mt Rainier, Mt Adams, Mt Saint Helens area. While up on the Plains of Abraham in '75, my brother and a friend of his woke me from a dead sleep to tell me that they were hearing noises like machinery under the ground and that they were seeing lights in the sky fly around. Fred Beck makes mention of this as well in his little booklet.
But then again, scientists have recently discovered the same type of lights can accompany volcanic activity (think they actually filmed some of this in Mexico a year or two ago). Still kind of makes them a UFO subject... until the scientists are able to identify it.
Nice job Mel... but I am a little confused. I was asked to ask you for an interview as a First Nations member and you said you would like to if in fact you were a member but that you weren't... so are you or aren't you?
Strange lights have always been seen around the Mt Rainier, Mt Adams, Mt Saint Helens area. While up on the Plains of Abraham in '75, my brother and a friend of his woke me from a dead sleep to tell me that they were hearing noises like machinery under the ground and that they were seeing lights in the sky fly around. Fred Beck makes mention of this as well in his little booklet.
But then again, scientists have recently discovered the same type of lights can accompany volcanic activity (think they actually filmed some of this in Mexico a year or two ago). Still kind of makes them a UFO subject... until the scientists are able to identify it.
scotto
Apr 23 2006, 09:48 PM
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ Apr 23 2006, 04:49 PM)

I'm not glad that he mentioned it. Bringing that particular aspect into the equation only serves to further perpetuate the age-old stereotype which labels all 'bigfoot enthusiast and researchers' as freaks and nutjobs. He might as well had mentioned Fox's seeing-eye hawk and his ability to make movies play in people's head.
I gotta go along with Vol on this one.
Mel is a good guy, and if that's what was said, sometimes you have to report things as such, but I would have leaned away from that.
IMO, sasquatch and UFO's don't mix any better than oil and water.
sakohianisaks
Apr 24 2006, 07:26 AM
I do not know Mel, but I read the article and thought it was very well done. I too am a First Nations member, Mohawk, and as such have always been intersted in hearing other First Nation's people's take on the Sasquatch. At the risk of over-generalizing, it must be remembered that most First Nation's people, especially those strong in their culture, are able to perceive and understand the world in more than the euro-centric, empirical demanding manner . . . that is that a certain phenomena can be perceived as something other than what it appears on the surface.
With that said, I have spoken with Lakota, Anishinaabe, Mohawk, Cree and other First Nation members to see if they have any traditional stories of Sasquatch-like creatures and have heard about the Lakota "Big Man", the Mohawk "Stone Giants", and the Anishinaabe/Cree "Windigo" . . . most of these stories have elements that would not jive with modern perceptions of physical evidence. I do not disegard the veracity of the accounts I hear, just that the people who have related them have a different method of perceiving the world, and subsequently how they relate it. I may not agree, and perhaps at times it may go against what I believe, but they believe it, and unless there is some compelling reason, (mental illness etc.) to doubt the person, I feel I should have the repsect to let them believe it. Really just my two cents on this, meaning no disrespect to anyone. I have worked with First Nation's people in the Canadian legal system for a while and know the difficulties in "translating" oral histories, knowledge etc. into a form that is "acceptable" to the common law. At times, it seems like the same thing goes on in the Sasquatch field as well. :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
NATUREBOY
Apr 24 2006, 07:46 AM
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Apr 23 2006, 08:36 PM)

Hang around here long enough Natureboy and you will learn that the one thing I can not and will not tolerate as a moderator of this board, are people calling other posters names like "ignorant person". And yes, before you say anything, "skippy" is a heck of a lot different than ignorant person.
Anyone can state their opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but you can't get away with calling them an ignorant person because they disagree with you, or you with them.
LOL, Now that is funny. You're going to chastise me for calling someone 'ignorant', while you let others curse like sailors on this forum and say nothing. And calling me "trash" is perfectly acceptable??. And for the record, the word IGNORANT is not an insult as you suggest. 'Ignorant' simply means lack of knowledge. Hardly a bad word. Had the situation been reversed, and he called me ignorant, I seriously doubt you would have said a thing. . .I will however, obey the rules and refrain from calling anyone else ignorant or any other names.
QUOTE(Melissa @ Apr 23 2006, 09:10 PM)

First of all - let me say congrats to Mel - formerly BiPedal

I give you credit for sticking to your guns and saying what you think
Hello NatureBoy
I agree - everyone is entitled to their opinion.. Even you. But, So is Volsquatch. You jumped up and down, and threw a fit like it was personal - you say you believe this animal is flesh and blood - yet when someone said they wouldnt have included a UFO sighting in a sasquatch report (which is the right of every investigator to include or not ) - you were up and ready to fight,, which makes me wonder about what you really believe.
I agree with ARsquatch, and Terry and Vols - but that doesnt mean I dont give credit to Mel - and I think he is a great guy.. Why did you take this so personal?
Feel free to bash me now

I wouldn't dare bash you Melissa, I always considered you a friend and still do. As far as making it personal, I felt like he made it personal. He obviously had an agenda towards me. Actually, LOL, I wasn't jumping up and down angrily as you suggest, I was actually shaking my head in disbelief and laughing as I wrote those posts.
[b]As for my beliefs, I will tell you exactly what they are so there's no confusion. I believe B/F is a flesh/blood animal that exists in small numbers across our country (and others). Probably a left over primate that somehow survived for many thousands of years. As far as UFO's, life from other planets ect, ect these are my beliefs: I think it would be arrogant of us to believe we are the only life forms in the billions of planets that exist in our solar system alone. I don't actively research the topic, however I have talked with pilots (commercial), an astronaut, and other very credible people who have seen unexplained phenomena. The point is, there is suffecient evidence that SOMETHING exists that we cannot explain yet. Do I believe this has anything to do with Bigfoot? NO. Why did I take it personally? I'll try to explain. I get sick & tired of people being attacked and discredited for having beliefs that differ from the status quo on this forum. Like for instance the POLL started by Volsquatch regarding Artslave and his theory. It was obvious the intent was to embarrass & ridicule him. Why else start a poll? Haven't seen him start any other polls. All that should have happened is a PM to him stating that this theory is best discussed on another forum. . . This idea of some on this forum that their beleifs are the only that should be entertained and anyone that dares question that are severly chastised. Yet these are the same people who cry & complain when another group criticizes them.
NATUREBOY
Apr 24 2006, 08:08 AM
QUOTE(scotto @ Apr 24 2006, 12:25 AM)

I gotta go along with Vol on this one.
Mel is a good guy, and if that's what was said, sometimes you have to report things as such, but I would have leaned away from that.
IMO, sasquatch and UFO's don't mix any better than oil and water.
I'm not trying to cause a riot here Scotto, Im just curious, very curious. WHY? Why lean away from that?? I don't get it. Because you and I don't believe B/F and UFO's are related, he should ignore the fact that his research has examples of this??? I understand that we all have our own opinions, but does that mean we cannot entertain others just because some may ridicule them? We complain when some call us crazy & nuts for believing in Bigfoot, yet we do the same to others with different beliefs than ours. I don't get it. . .I wasn't trying to single you out here Scotto, you just happened to be the last post. I would like your opinion on this though, if you have the time.
Melissa
Apr 24 2006, 08:52 AM
[quote name='NATUREBOY' date='Apr 24 2006, 09:23 AM' post='310737']
[/quote]I wouldn't dare bash you Melissa, I always considered you a friend and still do. As far as making it personal, I felt like he made it personal. He obviously had an agenda towards me. Actually, LOL, I wasn't jumping up and down angrily as you suggest, I was actually shaking my head in disbelief and laughing as I wrote those posts.[/quote]
Well, I appreciate that - but I dont ever remember speaking to you. I do know you threw my name out on another message board - one which will NOT be discussed here, and I would appreciate your not EVER doing that again. I am glad you think Im a good person etc.. But if you knew me, you may not feel that way.
[/quote][b]As for my beliefs, I will tell you exactly what they are so there's no confusion. I believe B/F is a
flesh/blood animal that exists in small numbers across our country (and others). Probably a left over primate that somehow survived for many thousands of years. As far as UFO's, life from other planets ect, ect these are my beliefs: I think it would be arrogant of us to believe we are the only life forms in the billions of planets that exist in our solar system alone. I don't actively research the topic, however I have talked with pilots (commercial), an astronaut, and other very credible people who have seen unexplained phenomena. The point is, there is suffecient evidence that SOMETHING exists that we cannot explain yet. Do I believe this has anything to do with Bigfoot? NO. [/quote]
And you are entitled to them. Which is why I dont understand why you felt it necessary to jump all over other people for having an opinion that you share. Regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion. ARsquatch, Terry and Vols had every right to say what they said - unless you feel we should now run our comments through you for approval.
[/quote]
Why did I take it personally? I'll try to explain. I get sick & tired of people being attacked and discredited for having beliefs that differ from the status quo on this forum. Like for instance the POLL started by Volsquatch regarding Artslave and his theory. It was obvious the intent was to embarrass & ridicule him. Why else start a poll? Haven't seen him start any other polls. All that should have happened is a PM to him stating that this theory is best discussed on another forum. . . This idea of some on this forum that their beleifs are the only that should be entertained and anyone that dares question that are severly chastised. Yet these are the same people who cry & complain when another group criticizes them.
[/quote]
Im getting sick and tired of a lot of things NATUREBOY. To be honest with you. But, do I jump all over people - no. I am responding to this - because your comments are intended to stop people from expressing their opinion. EVERYONE is entitled to how they feel and express how they feel - so long as it is not harming anyone or breaking any Terms of Service rules for this board. As to the Artslave poll -- I took it.. I thought what Artslave said borderlined on psychosis -- if you want my opinion. There is nothing that even SCIENTIFICALLY says ANY animal can or has done such a thing - are you going to sit there and say pounding rocks together for powder to make yourself invisible will work? Im fairly certain Artslave firmly believes what he is saying - which is both scary and sad. If I thought for a second Artslaves comment about the "rock powder invisibility" had any merit whatsoever - I would have done it so I could skip out of work... Think about what your defending NATUREBOY.
I am sick and tired of people who want to stop having rational conversations about this animal.
You know NATUREBOY - when I first started on this forum - I read everything - including the rules. I knew and understood what the rules were - before I even THOUGHT about posting. Why is that so difficult for some? I started posting here after over a month of reading - because if I thought for a second "Invisibility" was an actual idea that was being kicked around as a real possibility - I would have NEVER joined this board.
When I first came onto this board - I made myself the butt of jokes for being a city girl - and just because I dont have a whole lot of experience in the woods - did I take it personally - absolutely not - I joined in. Maybe if Artslave hadnt been so defensive and could have taken some humor in the situation - it wouldnt have gotten so bad. You must be able to laugh at yourself - if you cant your taking things way to seriously. All your doing at this point is continuing the issues that have been over for a long time.
Last I checked Artslave left of his own free will - I dont think he was banned.... And this attitude of " That person should be able to say what they want --- but dont anyone question that persons opinion cause if you do - your just mean" is getting old. If you believe something so much your willing to tell the world - fine -- BACK IT UP !!!!!!! Discussions are a two way street. If you cant handle the questions you may get from your ideas - you better not bring up a discussion such as "pounding rocks together for invisibility". Artslave got upset because he introduced an idea that was of a questionable nature, on this board - and then he couldnt defend his position with anything that resembled valid proof. When questioned on his idea he became defensive and threw a temper fit and left. Thats his perogative, and shows how baseless his position and his "invisibility" theory really was.
If you have an opinion - fine, voice it - but - be ready to back it up, especially if your going to get into issues that are completely out there. Now, do I think what Mel discussed was wrong or bad - no, its his opinion.. Not one person told Mel he was wrong for what he said and what he thinks is a possibility ----WHAT THEY SAID WAS: they wouldnt have put that in the report... THATS ALL. You turned it into something entirely different with your temper fit. Good Job.
I as a rule stay out of this kind of stuff - but I get sick and tired too. You are entitled to your opinion NATUREBOY - but so is everyone else. [/color]
JayleeD
Apr 24 2006, 09:15 AM
QUOTE(NB)
LOL, Now that is funny. You're going to chastise me for calling someone 'ignorant', while you let others curse like sailors on this forum and say nothing. And calling me "trash" is perfectly acceptable??. And for the record, the word IGNORANT is not an insult as you suggest. 'Ignorant' simply means lack of knowledge. Hardly a bad word. Had the situation been reversed, and he called me ignorant, I seriously doubt you would have said a thing. . .I will however, obey the rules and refrain from calling anyone else ignorant or any other names.
I love it when I get responses like this from people who try to justify the way they acted toward another poster they disagree with. I read what you say, but I hear "that's not fair, whine, whine". Get over it. And by the way, I think everyone here knows that you used the term "ignorant person" in an insulting way towards Vol.
Melissa, great post girl! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
Now, let's get back to the discussion of Mel's interview please.
NATUREBOY
Apr 24 2006, 09:29 AM
QUOTE(Melissa @ Apr 24 2006, 11:29 AM)

I wouldn't dare bash you Melissa, I always considered you a friend and still do. As far as making it personal, I felt like he made it personal. He obviously had an agenda towards me. Actually, LOL, I wasn't jumping up and down angrily as you suggest, I was actually shaking my head in disbelief and laughing as I wrote those posts.
Well, I appreciate that - but I dont ever remember speaking to you. I do know you threw my name out on another message board - one which will NOT be discussed here, and I would appreciate your not EVER doing that again. I am glad you think Im a good person etc.. But if you knew me, you may not feel that way.
[b]As for my beliefs, I will tell you exactly what they are so there's no confusion. I believe B/F is a
flesh/blood animal that exists in small numbers across our country (and others). Probably a left over primate that somehow survived for many thousands of years. As far as UFO's, life from other planets ect, ect these are my beliefs: I think it would be arrogant of us to believe we are the only life forms in the billions of planets that exist in our solar system alone. I don't actively research the topic, however I have talked with pilots (commercial), an astronaut, and other very credible people who have seen unexplained phenomena. The point is, there is suffecient evidence that SOMETHING exists that we cannot explain yet. Do I believe this has anything to do with Bigfoot? NO.
And you are entitled to them. Which is why I dont understand why you felt it necessary to jump all over other people for having an opinion that you share. Regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion. ARsquatch, Terry and Vols had every right to say what they said - unless you feel we should now run our comments through you for approval.
Why did I take it personally? I'll try to explain. I get sick & tired of people being attacked and discredited for having beliefs that differ from the status quo on this forum. Like for instance the POLL started by Volsquatch regarding Artslave and his theory. It was obvious the intent was to embarrass & ridicule him. Why else start a poll? Haven't seen him start any other polls. All that should have happened is a PM to him stating that this theory is best discussed on another forum. . . This idea of some on this forum that their beleifs are the only that should be entertained and anyone that dares question that are severly chastised. Yet these are the same people who cry & complain when another group criticizes them.
Im getting sick and tired of a lot of things NATUREBOY. To be honest with you. But, do I jump all over people - no. I am responding to this - because your comments are intended to stop people from expressing their opinion. EVERYONE is entitled to how they feel and express how they feel - so long as it is not harming anyone or breaking any Terms of Service rules for this board. As to the Artslave poll -- I took it.. I thought what Artslave said borderlined on psychosis -- if you want my opinion. There is nothing that even SCIENTIFICALLY says ANY animal can or has done such a thing - are you going to sit there and say pounding rocks together for powder to make yourself invisible will work? Im fairly certain Artslave firmly believes what he is saying - which is both scary and sad. If I thought for a second Artslaves comment about the "rock powder invisibility" had any merit whatsoever - I would have done it so I could skip out of work... Think about what your defending NATUREBOY.
I am sick and tired of people who want to stop having rational conversations about this animal.
You know NATUREBOY - when I first started on this forum - I read everything - including the rules. I knew and understood what the rules were - before I even THOUGHT about posting. Why is that so difficult for some? I started posting here after over a month of reading - because if I thought for a second "Invisibility" was an actual idea that was being kicked around as a real possibility - I would have NEVER joined this board.
When I first came onto this board - I made myself the butt of jokes for being a city girl - and just because I dont have a whole lot of experience in the woods - did I take it personally - absolutely not - I joined in. Maybe if Artslave hadnt been so defensive and could have taken some humor in the situation - it wouldnt have gotten so bad. You must be able to laugh at yourself - if you cant your taking things way to seriously. All your doing at this point is continuing the issues that have been over for a long time.
Last I checked Artslave left of his own free will - I dont think he was banned.... And this attitude of " That person should be able to say what they want --- but dont anyone question that persons opinion cause if you do - your just mean" is getting old. If you believe something so much your willing to tell the world - fine -- BACK IT UP !!!!!!! Discussions are a two way street. If you cant handle the questions you may get from your ideas - you better not bring up a discussion such as "pounding rocks together for invisibility". Artslave got upset because he introduced an idea that was of a questionable nature, on this board - and then he couldnt defend his position with anything that resembled valid proof. When questioned on his idea he became defensive and threw a temper fit and left. Thats his perogative, and shows how baseless his position and his "invisibility" theory really was.
If you have an opinion - fine, voice it - but - be ready to back it up, especially if your going to get into issues that are completely out there. Now, do I think what Mel discussed was wrong or bad - no, its his opinion.. Not one person told Mel he was wrong for what he said and what he thinks is a possibility ----WHAT THEY SAID WAS: they wouldnt have put that in the report... THATS ALL. You turned it into something entirely different with your temper fit. Good Job.
I as a rule stay out of this kind of stuff - but I get sick and tired too. You are entitled to your opinion NATUREBOY - but so is everyone else. [/color]
Now who's the one getting jumped on??
For your information Melissa I didn't jump all over anyone, I simply asked Arsquatch and Terry a simple question. I fail to see how that is jumping on anyone. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem. I see more offensive posts on this forum everyday, and I don't see you complain about it. And if someone like Vol wants to come at me with an attitude, then he'll get one back. As far as stopping people from stating their opinion, what post have you been reading. They stated their opinion, AND I STATED MINE. PERIOD. NEVER said they shouldn't state theirs. I think you need to go back and re-read the posts, cause you obviously haven't. OBVIOUSLY you haven't, otherwise you wouldn't be putting words in my mouth. For instance Artslave being banned, never said or implied that, and some nonsense about people being able to say what they want without backing it up, never said or implied it. And for the record, not a damn person here can show me any conclusive proof that this creature actually exists, so I think if I were you, I'd be careful what arguements you pick to defend. WHY DON"T YOU BACK IT UP. OH wait, you can't. No one can. And I think I clearly stated that Artslave's topic should be discussed on another forum, not here (did ya miss that too?) My complaint was the way it was handled. Now who's the one trying to stop someone from having their opinion??Having a sense of humor about yourself is one thing, having someone start a poll knowing in advance that person will be attacked & ridiculed is quite another. That's classless, period. As far as rational conversations about this creature go, who says what YOU THINK is what's rational. That's the problem right there, you and others who think their opinion is the only one that counts. That's :bsflag: And you're gonna sit there and lecture me on how I jump all over someone, and at the same time call someone who you don't know, DELUSIONAL. Why don't you take your own advice.
StacyInMI
Apr 24 2006, 09:29 AM
QUOTE(Melissa @ Apr 24 2006, 11:29 AM)

Im getting sick and tired of a lot of things NATUREBOY. To be honest with you. But, do I jump all over people - no. I am responding to this - because your comments are intended to stop people from expressing their opinion. EVERYONE is entitled to how they feel and express how they feel - so long as it is not harming anyone or breaking any Terms of Service rules for this board. As to the Artslave poll -- I took it.. I thought what Artslave said borderlined on psychosis -- if you want my opinion. There is nothing that even SCIENTIFICALLY says ANY animal can or has done such a thing - are you going to sit there and say pounding rocks together for powder to make yourself invisible will work? Im fairly certain Artslave firmly believes what he is saying - which is both scary and sad. If I thought for a second Artslaves comment about the "rock powder invisibility" had any merit whatsoever - I would have done it so I could skip out of work... Think about what your defending NATUREBOY.
I am sick and tired of people who want to stop having rational conversations about this animal.
You know NATUREBOY - when I first started on this forum - I read everything - including the rules. I knew and understood what the rules were - before I even THOUGHT about posting. Why is that so difficult for some? I started posting here after over a month of reading - because if I thought for a second "Invisibility" was an actual idea that was being kicked around as a real possibility - I would have NEVER joined this board.
When I first came onto this board - I made myself the butt of jokes for being a city girl - and just because I dont have a whole lot of experience in the woods - did I take it personally - absolutely not - I joined in. Maybe if Artslave hadnt been so defensive and could have taken some humor in the situation - it wouldnt have gotten so bad. You must be able to laugh at yourself - if you cant your taking things way to seriously. All your doing at this point is continuing the issues that have been over for a long time.
Last I checked Artslave left of his own free will - I dont think he was banned.... And this attitude of " That person should be able to say what they want --- but dont anyone question that persons opinion cause if you do - your just mean" is getting old. If you believe something so much your willing to tell the world - fine -- BACK IT UP !!!!!!! Discussions are a two way street. If you cant handle the questions you may get from your ideas - you better not bring up a discussion such as "pounding rocks together for invisibility". Artslave got upset because he introduced an idea that was of a questionable nature, on this board - and then he couldnt defend his position with anything that resembled valid proof. When questioned on his idea he became defensive and threw a temper fit and left. Thats his perogative, and shows how baseless his position and his "invisibility" theory really was.
If you have an opinion - fine, voice it - but - be ready to back it up, especially if your going to get into issues that are completely out there. Now, do I think what Mel discussed was wrong or bad - no, its his opinion.. Not one person told Mel he was wrong for what he said and what he thinks is a possibility ----WHAT THEY SAID WAS: they wouldnt have put that in the report... THATS ALL. You turned it into something entirely different with your temper fit. Good Job.
I as a rule stay out of this kind of stuff - but I get sick and tired too. You are entitled to your opinion NATUREBOY - but so is everyone else.
NATUREBOY
Apr 24 2006, 09:31 AM
OH, one more thing,. As far as mentioning your name or anyone's name on another forum or anywhere for that matter, IT"S A FREE COUNTRY, AND I'LL DO WHATEVER I DAMN WELL PLEASE.
and WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NATUREBOY
Apr 24 2006, 09:43 AM
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Apr 24 2006, 11:52 AM)

I love it when I get responses like this from people who try to justify the way they acted toward another poster they disagree with. I read what you say, but I hear "that's not fair, whine, whine". Get over it. And by the way, I think everyone here knows that you used the term "ignorant person" in an insulting way towards Vol.
Melissa, great post girl! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
Now, let's get back to the discussion of Mel's interview please.
Your funny. And a little too full of yourself. I think that moderator title went to your head! Didn't see you warn him for calling me trash, oh Im sorry there I go whining again about facts again. Sorry.
JayleeD
Apr 24 2006, 09:48 AM
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 24 2006, 11:08 AM)

OH, one more thing,. As far as mentioning your name or anyone's name on another forum or anywhere for that matter, IT"S A FREE COUNTRY, AND I'LL DO WHATEVER I DAMN WELL PLEASE.
and WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From the posting guidelines:
Harassment of Other Members
Anyone found to be harassing members of this site based on information about that member found on this site will be dealt with to to fullest extend possible, including reporting harassers to their ISP(s) and, if necessary, any appropriate governmental or law enforcement entities.You are walking a thin line sir.
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 24 2006, 11:20 AM)

Your funny. And a little too full of yourself. I think that moderator title went to your head! Didn't see you warn him for calling me trash, oh Im sorry there I go whining again about facts again. Sorry.
Show me where he called you "trash". You can't because he didn't! He said the "trash from the frapper crapper" meaning the bunch of stupid paranormal bs that went on over there.
NATUREBOY
Apr 24 2006, 09:49 AM
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Apr 24 2006, 12:21 PM)

From the posting guidelines:
Harassment of Other Members
Anyone found to be harassing members of this site based on information about that member found on this site will be dealt with to to fullest extend possible, including reporting harassers to their ISP(s) and, if necessary, any appropriate governmental or law enforcement entities.
You are walking a thin line sir.
Harassment? Hmmm, calling someone a friend on another forum is harassment?? Please explain to me in all your moderator wisdom how that is harassment Jaylee. Oh hell, lets just be honest, it's simply the fact she's your friend, nothing else, nothing more. Who are you trying to fool. Now who's WHINING
Melissa
Apr 24 2006, 09:51 AM
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 24 2006, 11:08 AM)

OH, one more thing,. As far as mentioning your name or anyone's name on another forum or anywhere for that matter, IT"S A FREE COUNTRY, AND I'LL DO WHATEVER I DAMN WELL PLEASE.
and WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you like some cheese to go along with that whine? LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I hit a nerve? WOW, you really lost control there.. God I love it when Im right about someone. Piece of advice (although I really dont care) get yourself some help - therapy may be in order.. :new_whistle:
Oh and the rest of your comments -- insignificant - meaningless - drivel yet again. You are showing yourself to be the inconsiderate person you really are.

Have a great day - you just made mine :eek3dance:
:popcorn2:
NATUREBOY
Apr 24 2006, 09:55 AM
QUOTE(Melissa @ Apr 24 2006, 12:28 PM)

Would you like some cheese to go along with that whine? LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I hit a nerve? WOW, you really lost control there.. God I love it when Im right about someone. Piece of advice (although I really dont care) get yourself some help - therapy may be in order.. :new_whistle:
Oh and the rest of your comments -- insignificant - meaningless - drivel yet again. You are showing yourself to be the inconsiderate person you really are.

Have a great day - you just made mine :eek3dance:
:popcorn2:
Wow Melissa, I give up. You're just too witty for me!
1sunseeker
Apr 24 2006, 09:55 AM
Right lets' get back to it. Thank you Mel. I am not Native American. My ancestors are Irish. And yes if god had not invented whiskey the Irish would rule the world. In my recent visit to the Southwest I saw some very interesting petroglyphs. Some of them were large drawings etched in stone of (human?) feet. I plan on posting some pictures of these as soon as I figure out how to do it. Now we have all seen the handprints. Also the abstract animal drawings. But I have never before seen footprints. Were they describing and teaching about Sasquatch? Were they talking the distances between certain cities? Don't know, but hopefully we can hear from our Native American participants as to their opinions. There are a lot of things we can learn from these ancestors who are still very much in touch with nature. Sunseeker
JayleeD
Apr 24 2006, 10:03 AM
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 24 2006, 11:26 AM)

Harassment? Hmmm, calling someone a friend on another forum is harassment?? Please explain to me in all your moderator wisdom how that is harassment Jaylee. Oh hell, lets just be honest, it's simply the fact she's your friend, nothing else, nothing more. Who are you trying to fool. Now who's WHINING
Man, you really told me huh?
For the second time, let's get this one back on topic.
1sunseeker
Apr 24 2006, 10:07 AM
Good morning JayleeD!
JayleeD
Apr 24 2006, 10:08 AM
I wish Mel would discuss more about the elders and their feelings about him doing his research. I'd be interested to read more about that and how it's affected him and/or his research.
NATUREBOY
Apr 24 2006, 10:12 AM
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Apr 24 2006, 12:40 PM)

Man, you really told me huh?
For the second time, let's get this one back on topic.
You're too funny, shoulda been a comedian. . .Get back to the topic? NO, what I want is for you to answer my question, since you decided to threaten me with the Buffoon I mean BFF Police. Exactly how am I harrassing her? Please explain.
Melissa
Apr 24 2006, 10:21 AM
Now your in my area of Knowlege NATUREBOY ---
_______________________________________________________________________
To simply define what is and what is not harassment can be quite a difficult task. The legal definition of harassment according to Black's Law Dictionary is:
"A course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose" or "words, gestures, and actions which tend to annoy, alarm and abuse (verbally) another person."
Cases that DO NOT constitute harassment
Messages posted to any open arena, such as newsgroups, message boards, or forums or chat rooms, unless they are forged to appear to have come from you or contain direct threats or libelous statements.
________________________________________________________________________
Now, have you done that - no. Not yet - but your comment that was basically stating you will do whatever you want - was a warning. Now, am I worried about you - absolutely not... Cause I know your threats are about as serious as a hangnail. But - you did create the situation Natureboy.
I am done with you. Your childish temper fit has taken up enough of my valuable time - just let me know where I can send my bill for services rendered..
Artslave
Apr 24 2006, 10:37 AM
HI GANG!!!
Yes it's me,fresh out of the looney bin.I just love the smell of electroshock therapy in the morning!
First off,I will try to walk a fine line here so as not to set my little warning meter off too violently.Vol DID call NB trash.I believe his words were,"looks like some of the trash that got swept in from the frappr is finally rearing its ugly head",or some such.What's the difference between calling someone trash and calling them an ignorant person? 'Trash' is an insult and 'ignorant person' is an opinion,one of which is entirely against the forum rules.The difference between 'trash' and 'freaks,nutjobs and looneys'? None.
While I respect the rights of all members to express their own opinions on forums such as these,I also feel that a modicum of respect and civility is called for should disagreements arise.Name calling is simply juvenilistic,IMO.So is redicule and belittlement over differences in opinion.
I,for one,enjoyed Mel's interview.But then,I agree with NB that just because you hear testimony from bf witnesses that does'nt support your own pet theory, such information should not be swept under the rug and ignored.If you think his interview was 'out there',maybe you should read mine and leave him alone.After all,I am sorta used to it and Bipedal is a repected member here.
http://home.earthlink.net/~hannibalspecter/id23.htmlI have never witnessed bf entering or leaving a ufo,but have heard much concerning the apparent relationship between the 2 phenomenas by MANY bf experiencers.Make of that what you will,if anything.Also,I must say,I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me.
Yes,it's true,I was not banned from this forum,or any other forum.I chose to leave here several months ago rather than spend so much valuable time defending myself and my beliefs,just as I chose to return here to reply to the posts regarding information on my kentuckybigfoot site.I am not interested in arguing with anyone,nor will I.I am also uninterested in trying to change anyones mind concerning the possible origins of the bf creatures.Most cannot,or will not,accept anything concerning them which does not readily fit inside the comfort zone of their own paradigms.
Miss Melissa...I am sorry if I offended you months ago with the idea that geophagy MIGHT be responsible for the ability of these creatures to become invisible at will .It was merely a thought,an idea,a belief which I posited in an attempt to explain an experience that I had concerning the presence of invisible bigfoot years ago without resorting to paranormal explanations.It was never stated as fact,merely a possibility.
Well, I will sign off now.I think it is time for my meds again.Do try to be nice to one another.
Melissa
Apr 24 2006, 10:47 AM
QUOTE(Artslave @ Apr 24 2006, 12:14 PM)

HI GANG!!!
Yes it's me,fresh out of the looney bin.I just love the smell of electroshock therapy in the morning!
First off,I will try to walk a fine line here so as not to set my little warning meter off too violently.Vol DID call NB trash.I believe his words were,"looks like some of the trash that got swept in from the frappr is finally rearing its ugly head",or some such.What's the difference between calling someone trash and calling them an ignorant person? 'Trash' is an insult and 'ignorant person' is an opinion,one of which is entirely against the forum rules.The difference between 'trash' and 'freaks,nutjobs and looneys'? None.
While I respect the rights of all members to express their own opinions on forums such as these,I also feel that a modicum of respect and civility is called for should disagreements arise.Name calling is simply juvenilistic,IMO.So is redicule and belittlement over differences in opinion.
I,for one,enjoyed Mel's interview.But then,I agree with NB that just because you hear testimony from bf witnesses that does'nt support your own pet theory, such information should not be swept under the rug and ignored.If you think his interview was 'out there',maybe you should read mine and leave him alone.After all,I am sorta used to it and Bipedal is a repected member here.
http://home.earthlink.net/~hannibalspecter/id23.htmlI have never witnessed bf entering or leaving a ufo,but have heard much concerning the apparent relationship between the 2 phenomenas by MANY bf experiencers.Make of that what you will,if anything.Also,I must say,I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me.
Yes,it's true,I was not banned from this forum,or any other forum.I chose to leave here several months ago rather than spend so much valuable time defending myself and my beliefs,just as I chose to return here to reply to the posts regarding information on my kentuckybigfoot site.I am not interested in arguing with anyone,nor will I.I am also uninterested in trying to change anyones mind concerning the possible origins of the bf creatures.Most cannot,or will not,accept anything concerning them which does not readily fit inside the comfort zone of their own paradigms.
Miss Melissa...I am sorry if I offended you months ago with the idea that geophagy MIGHT be responsible for the ability of these creatures to become invisible at will .It was merely a thought,an idea,a belief which I posited in an attempt to explain an experience that I had concerning the presence of invisible bigfoot years ago without resorting to paranormal explanations.It was never stated as fact,merely a possibility.
Well, I will sign off now.I think it is time for my meds again.Do try to be nice to one another.
:icon_really_happy_guy: Are you people for real ??
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 24 2006, 12:49 PM)

You're too funny, shoulda been a comedian. . .Get back to the topic? NO, what I want is for you to answer my question, since you decided to threaten me with the Buffoon I mean BFF Police. Exactly how am I harrassing her? Please explain.
I think Natureboy is now choosing "suicide by moderator".
I'm sure everybody has seen this a few times...a person loses his footing in an argument or discussion then instead of conceding or gracefully backing out he decides he's had enough of the board and will insult or push a moderator until he gets banned. People like this feel it's a more "heroic" way of leaving a board.
Kinda pathetic ..isn't it?
acesoreights
Apr 24 2006, 12:17 PM
Well there is only one way to handle this
Ban Mel Skahan, that will teach him not
to give interviews, and cause trouble on
BFF. :new_lmaosmiley:
Paul1968UK
Apr 24 2006, 12:36 PM
I think it is a shame that a thread about a well respected member of this forum spiraled downhill so quickly.
Sorry Mel.
Looking forward to seeing you back here as soon as you can make it.
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Apr 24 2006, 03:13 PM)

I think it is a shame that a thread about a well respected member of this forum spiraled downhill so quickly.
Sorry Mel.
Looking forward to seeing you back here as soon as you can make it.
I agree...While I don't espouse Mel's UFO connection I've always respected his experience and knowledge of the wilderness. I hope he does return.
Melissa
Apr 24 2006, 01:29 PM
QUOTE(Ty2 @ Apr 24 2006, 02:46 PM)

I agree...While I don't espouse Mel's UFO connection I've always respected his experience and knowledge of the wilderness. I hope he does return.
ABSOLUTELY

Mel is a great guy - and has always been very friendly and open.
scotto
Apr 24 2006, 01:39 PM
QUOTE(NATUREBOY @ Apr 24 2006, 08:45 AM)

I'm not trying to cause a riot here Scotto, Im just curious, very curious. WHY? Why lean away from that?? I don't get it. Because you and I don't believe B/F and UFO's are related, he should ignore the fact that his research has examples of this??? I understand that we all have our own opinions, but does that mean we cannot entertain others just because some may ridicule them? We complain when some call us crazy & nuts for believing in Bigfoot, yet we do the same to others with different beliefs than ours. I don't get it. . .I wasn't trying to single you out here Scotto, you just happened to be the last post. I would like your opinion on this though, if you have the time.
I believe sasquatch is a flesh and blood animal, just like bears and other forest creatures. If you claim you saw a UFO rise up out of the woods, and saw a deer run by, would you just assume the deer ran out of the UFO?
I guess it's just a personal belief I have, and the bigfoot reports that are mingled with UFO reports, I want nothing to do with. If other people do, fine by me. I'm not here to judge or force my opinions on anybody, everybody does their own thing.
I like to do serious research, and if UFO's are thrown into the bigfoot scenario, IMO it takes out 100% of credibility out of the report.
The native people of this continent had names for them, they carved them into their totem poles, and to them they were just another forest creature. That's how I go with it.
Saskwatcher
Apr 24 2006, 01:56 PM
Scotto !!!!
You have, once again, crystallized my very thoughts !!!
EXCELLENT POST !!! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
.........
Edit to add... Just wanted to be clear... that when I say Scotto 'crystallized' my thoughts, I don't mean that he literally can crystallize people's thoughts..... :icon_abduct: ..... not that I have any proof that he..umm..
can't
...I'm just sayin' that he CAN .... with his MIND ...umm...
AWW... CRAP!!! :doh:
:new_weirdsmiley: nevermind..............
Hairy Man
Apr 24 2006, 02:22 PM
Great job Mel. Sorry this thread took such a bad turn.
Personally, I'd like to get back to the concept of this Skippy thing and Volsquatch. You know, I keep chocolate around just for this kind of Reeces opportunity..... :wink:
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