i'm reading a book called "UFO's Over California: A True History of Extraterrestrial Encounters in the Golden State" by Preston Dennett

someone loaned this book to me and i'm on page 10, having just started reading it today. i felt i wanted to share what i just read;

The many popular Native American legends of wise visitors from the sky could be the legacy of early California encounters. One of the first UFO-Bigfoot accounts occured in 1888, and comes from the journal of a cattleman who had wintered with a tribe of Native Americans in northern California. During his stay, he saw a member of the tribe carrying a platter of raw meat into the forest. He followed the Indian to a nearby cave. Upon entering, he was amazed to see the Indian feeding the meat to a large, hairy man-like creature. The creature was totally covered with thick hair, except for its palms. Also, the creature had no neck, but was much larger than a man. The Indian tribe called him "Crazy Bear" and explained that he had come to the earth in a "small moon" which carried two other similar creatures. Inside the "small moon" were several other entities who were human-looking, only were very short and they wore shiny, silver clothes. After disgorging the three creatures, the object took off into space. The Indians told the cattleman that similar incidents had happened throughout the years, but only rarely

personally i dont have an opinion on the ufo-bigfoot connection because....well...because i just dont know. but i do believe in the ufo thing, which is why my friend loaned me the book in the first place. anyway, i wanted to share this little tid-bit in case anyone was interested.

gael

I'm beginning to think there may be something to this.

The guy has a SITE and a page DEVOTED TO THAT BOOK

Never heard of that book or that guy before.

To be honest, I'm not too supportive of the UFO/Bigfoot connection. I think the thing is an earthborn, mortal, bleeding animal.

But what the hell do I know?

Merci pour l'info :smile:

:new_hmmsmiley02:


I think that there is a tendency to lump mysterious or scary things together. I suppose that it's possible that people see a sasquatch and then a weather balloon and make the connection......


You did post an interesting story, but, it could be reffering to any number of things, if true.

I justed watched an episode of the Canadian TV show "Creepy Canada" which is doing some stories on Canadian and now some US paranormal/ghost/UFO (etc) events lately... the show was about an event in Pennsylvania where two girls and their father had a Big Foot sighting.. went into persuit of it and came across the creature holding a glowing ball... at which time a UFO appeared above them and supposedly tried to make contact with the creature. The story went on to support the idea of a Big Foot/UFO connection by showing several dozen combined Big Foot & UFO sightings all within a similar time frame. It was intriguing. Who knows..

Hi

I have never see the show but the site has a lot of weird stuff, If your into the paranormal ( I am not )

http://www.creepy.tv/index.html

Peace
Tim

Isn't it funny how most of the time extraterrestrials are humanoid?

If evolution is random, what are the chances of multiple life forms evolving into bipedal mammals?

Not only that, but they have evolved in similar environments, environments that sustain them.

They all poses technology with the same selfish capabilities as our own.

It’s human chauvinism at its finest.

As far as we know the only technology Sasquatch has is rock throwing and stick knocking, yet they arrived here in a small moon.

That story was too good to be true so it makes me very skeptical. If it was true, it would logically indicate that bigfoot was abducted and not a member of the crew.

Some thoughts on how life might evolve on another planet and why it may be very similar to life on Earth:

Evolution isn't really random. It is driven by selection. There are many example where similar forms repeatedly evolve. Australia has many great examples. It was isolated before modern placental mammals appeared yet many of forms were duplicated through convergent evolution. Tasmanian tigers look very much like dogs. They had larger predators that are similar to large cats. They even had a saber tooth version. Their version of a monkey is probably the Koala or tree possums. The possums never got past the prosimian type animals possibly because Australia is not really suitable for monkeys or it is limited in space and time needed.

In order for an animal to develop technology, bipedal locomotion is the only known working model and it doesn't seem to me to be something unlikely to evolve on another planet.

If life evolved on another planet, it is likely that it started in the same basic way as on earth and that is in liquid water. All the same chemicals would also likely be present because the presence of liquid water indicates a certain distance from the star. Our solar system may have formed from in a star forming nebula. It is likely that any visitor from a nearby star would have originated from the same nebula and thus be nearly identical in chemical makeup. For the purpose of this argument, it is not a stretch to assume a very similar planet for our hypothetical aliens.

Since it is the same approximate distance from the sun or equivalent radiation, since liquid water is assumed to be necessary, there would be an available source of energy that could be used for photosynthesis. Life that used chlorophyll evolved very quickly on this planet.
Wikipedia stromatolites

Those organisms use a very complex method of synthesizing organic compounds by using photosynthesis. It is believed that the system of enzymes was built upon a previous system that used the energy of hydrogen sulfide and other compounds. That progression is also logical as H2S would likely be the most reliable reducing agent. I could see photosynthetic enzymes that worked very much the same as the light collecting systems in plants. I don't think you can assume that it is random to this point in evolution. There is an entire ocean of molecules that would logically be subjected to the same processes on the Earth and the hypothetical planet. It is possible that virtually every conceivable method of finding chemical systems that replicate had been created. The most efficient method may be the process that led to us and may be repeated on another planet with mathematical certainty. The most efficient system of replication that allows for evolution should be the most favored so it might be essentially the same on both planets. You wouldn't necessarily have the same sort of DNA or exactly the same amino acids but the basic style of encoding something like protein using a code of three other molecules would likely be similar. It is very efficient from the point of view of evolution and allows the evolution of an endless number of structures and enzymes. The system for encoding new molecules is very sophisticated. It uses a linear code of 4 nucleic acids where a group of three specifies a particular amino acid. When the chains of amino acids are strung together to make proteins, they assume a three dimensional structure. That system was probably built on some earlier system that used RNA for enzymes and other functions now done by proteins. Using RNA for a code allowed evolution to explode and took over because it had the flexibility to make nearly all the materials that are required to support the cell. That allows evolution to modify all aspects and would be a very powerful tool for those cells that possessed it.

The next stage for complex life is a tricky one. I think it is necessary because without a membrane, the volume of the cell would be much smaller and probably not suitable for multicellular organism. Apparently perhaps about 2 billion years ago a group of bacteria started encapsulating themselves in a semipermeable membrane. The chemical structure of the membrane is a fat molecule that was slightly modified by adding a phosphate containing hydrocarbon in place of one of the three fatty acids. Having an alien use fat molecules made of three fatty acids attached to glycerin seems rather unlikely. It would likely have to find another way to make a semipermeable membrane and could use something like cholesterol which is added to our membranes by our cells to make them more rigid and other reasons. The next thing that would be needed would be a system that efficiently organized the molecules like DNA that would allow the amount of information needed for multicellular life forms. The system we use uses multiple linear chromosome that can be modified and mixed rather than a single strand of DNA like in bacteria. If those conditions are met, then you would probably have very similar forms develop in the ocean as developed during the Precambrian explosion on earth. All the basic forms of complex life apparently developed very quickly like in less than 100 million years. It is not a stretch to assume that you would get organisms that used external and internal skeletons. The internal skeletons would evolve into much larger organisms than is possible if you have an exoskeleton so they would become dominant. Something similar to fish would be the dominant creature in both oceans.

Oxygen is now at high concentrations and the most likely way for these "fish" to start crawling is using a quadruped model. Reptiles are a natural extension on that design when they become adapted to dry land. Many reptiles evolved into bipeds to run more efficiently. Technology probably requires dexterous hands and that would be a natural for something to evolve to climb in trees. Trees are also something that should be expected from the competition to reach the light. It wouldn't have to be a mammal or necessarily evolved from something that lived in trees but it is likely that such creatures would exist on the hypothetical planet. This question is a bit to large to get my mind around but sugar may be the natural result from using photosynthesis and it would likely be very similar on the hypothetical planet. Sugar is a very efficient molecule to use for energy storage. Plants and animals could even use it as the basis for much of their structure like plants that use cellulose or insects and other arthropods that use chitin for their skeletons.

Evolution doesn't make something intelligent without selection pressure. You could get very intelligent animals but they may be stuck at a certain level until they start down the road to modifying objects into tools. Quadrupeds couldn't efficiently use tools if their legs are adapted to locomotion. The end result is that you have a biped naturally being the one that develops technology and the mind to understand it.

Wow Bob. Thankyou for that. I need to read up on my evolution.

When it comes to peoples encounters with aliens, I go with the DMT theory.

Someone else did a correlation between UFO and Bigfoot reports in another part of the country. They both peaked in the same time frame. I'll see if I can find it.
That would explain why they can't be tracked or located, they have ESP.

Cool explanation of evolution Bob! Thanks-

I agree with you. No disrespect to those who believe Squatch's and UFO's are connected but its just to convenient and to easy to supernatuaralise something that isnt understood. Its the easiest explanation for some to fall back on and I don't see the connection

sasquatches encounters & ufo encounters are definetly not connected at all... just becouse they seen all over usa canada. interesting new thread

I believe there is a direct connection between UFO/"aliens" and the Bigfoot phenomena. I believe "aliens" are not from other planets, but they are the Biblical fallen angels. They are attempting to create offspring in order to circumvent the judgement of God on them. They don't have the power to create from nothing, so through experimentation on cattle, humans, etc, they have spawned various bigfoot creatures. Eyewitness of accounts of Bigfoot and UFOs apparently making contact would simply be the fallen angels checking on their kids.

The reason that no one has found a bigfoot body, or captured a live one, is probably because they are half spritual, and half physical beings. They can leave physical evidence like footprints or broken branches, but they can also "dissapear" into the spiritual dimension.

Have you read the forum rules?

I don't know about bigfoot, but I think we have discovered a descendant, in spirit at least, of someone else.

Yes. Are you implying that I have broken a forum rule? If so, which one?

Religion/politics are a no-no. Plus you should introduce yourself in the new members thread. BTW, welcome to the BFF

JBH, please do read the posting guidelines - you can find a link at the top of every page.


The guidelines clearly state that this forum is for people who subscribe to the theory that bigfoot is a flesh and blood creature, and not some supernatural ghostly magical spirit being from an alternative reality. It also makes it explicitly clear that this forum does not tolerate the discussion of religion.

This isn't to say that you are not welcome here, but please understand that you are unlikley to find a warm welcome to your theories - there are more suitable forums for discussing high weirdness in bigfoot.

I wouldn't say my post is religious in nature. I interpret that BFF guideline to mean "don't push your religion on others, insult their religious beliefs, etc".

If someone believes bigfoot is a result of an evolutionary process, then that's their opinion.

If I believe bigfoot is the spawn of fallen angels, that's my opinion.

Are you saying people can talk about bigfoot being dropped off by a UFO, but I can't say I think it was angels? There isn't any proof for either. Wouldn't that make both of them religious views?

Angels huh?

LOL....yeeaahhhh....

Seriously, what don't you get? The rules clearly state NO religious discussion.

Wow. I never thought my first post, on my first day on BFF would get people in such a twist.

I'm not sure how the mention of angels is considered trolling seeing how we're on a bigfoot related website in a thread that is about a bigfoot/UFO connection.

I have seen multiple bigfoot prints myself and I am fully convinced that they were not a hoax. How is it trolling to give an opinion as to where I think bigfoot came from?

JBH-

While the same lack of evidence of Bigfoot's existence is evident in the following theories, BIGFOOT IS FLESH AND BLOOD, BIGFOOT IS AN ALIEN, BIGFOOT IS RELATED TO FALLEN ANGELS, and one theory has no more evidence in support of it than the other, The rules clearly state that Religion is off limits and Fallen Angels are pretty much associated with religion, I 'd recommend not talking about them. PS, talking about Alien-Bigfoots probably isn't a good Idea, even though it doesn't specifically outlaw it.

JBH, are/were you affilliated with Neil Burgstahler or JE Beckjord?

JBH, do you think that people who are skeptical of Bigfoot work for the CIA or NSA?

If my opinion is that bigfoot is related to fallen A's(that's for the religiously sensitive posters here), then bigfoot would also be a "religious" topic. Surely you see the irony here.

I'm not affiliated with Neil Burgstahler or JE Beckjord. I'll have to look them up now to see if that's an insult or not.

There may be a sceptic that works for the CIA or NSA, but I definitely don't agree with that general statement.

The person who began this thread knew that it would be perilously close to the "cut off" so I don't think it is fair to jump on a post like JBH's. The fact is that his is the Judeo-Christian, Biblical description of a common theme found in many, if not all religions, and it may be descriptive of something that is actually being witnessed by humans around the world throughout recorded time. To shut our eyes and ears to the possibility of ET's (by whatever name) being interested in the BF phenomenon is silly. Actually I think scientifically there is much more reason to think "ET's" extra terrestrials are actually "ED's" or extra dimensionals, given what Einstein said about the speed of light. It is well known that science and technology that exceeds that of a specific culture appears to be a spiritual or magical phenomenon. To recognize this allows you to maintain your loyalty to a scientific world view and yet keep an open mind so as to consider phenomena which falls under those former categories.

It would be easy for a highly technological bunch of ET's to tame BF into becoming a useful member of the team, via implants, electrically magnetic fields which we may know nothing about, drugs, etc. What do we know, after all? You can still entertain this idea without giving up your scientific viewpoint and getting into "high strangeness," if you think about it.

Have no fear people. I am working on canceling my membership on BFF as soon as I figure out how. I wouldn't want anyone catching the religion from me.

That way you can get back to talking about a being who's existence has not been proven, but that definitely is not a supernatural or religious being.

The funny thing is no one even asked me about my bigfoot experience. LOL

While reading the excerpt from the book, I couldn't help but notice that Bluff Creek was home to multiple sightings in the 50's. I guess that makes Patty an alien???

JBH, I, for one, would like to hear about your bigfoot experience.

Hi

You can't cancel your membership, Your stuck here Forever and ever, Just give the rules a look over and you will be fine, Now if you would please post your bigfoot experience i would love to read what happened

Peace
Tim

So JBH, tell us about your experience, before you cancel your membership of course.

I think your right. I've read through every piece of text on BFF and didn't see anything on canceling. They got me now.

I'll post it in a different thread. My story doesn't have anything to do with religion so you haters out there can relax.

......"you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave...." cue guitar solo



dav

... and people wonder why we don't allow the discussion of religion. Do you see how you just popped that can of worms right open? And NO, do not respond to that question, JBH, on the open forum. Feel free to PM me though.

You're walking an awful thin line JBH. One more religious remark out of you, and I'll see to it your posting privies are taken away. This is your only verbal warning!

Verbal?

Would you prefer "written", Drew?

I personally prefer hand written ass whippin.

SWEET! Sounds like fun!

Well, then you'd be interested, if you've read and abide by all the "rules"....you should read this part too...

"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this bulletin board to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. "

You guys are ridiculous, really! You have faith or believe in something like bigfoot, but as soon as some other form of faith is brought in, you jump on the poor guy, just because you choose not to believe in what he believes in. You'd think in a forum such as this one, people would be a bit more open-minded about that kind of stuff. He had a relevant topic, but you chose not to see or hear that regardless of your "rules". I've seen his story of his sighting. You guys just missed out on a good one. Too bad.

We have this little pet peeve about vigilante moderation too that you might be interested in. See you in two days.

I just thought it was funny to issue a written 'verbal' warning on a forum.

And folks wonder why there's a rule about religion/politics. Sheesh!

Wow, suspended after 1 post. Great way to make friends and influence people!!!

I presume that in view of the forum rules the "ass wippin" was regarding a donkey? Animal abuse! I'm calling Peta!

Awesome post Bob. I guess I have to stop being so lazy and fully read your posts!

One question as a layman. I thought quadrupedal locomotion in reptiles had a lot to do with the way their respiratory system worked. As in they need their side to side motion in order for their lungs to work. I always figured it was a breathing adaptation more than anything. Like I said, I'm a layman but since ancient fish like sharks need to keep moving to breathe (unlike modern fish) I always thought a primitive land animal would need some other means to pump oxygen. Didn't the equivalent of our diaphragm show up much later?

Word has it that the BO Admin will soon kill GW's moon intiative, but replace it with a Mars or Bust program ala JFK. If the 'alien seeding' sects, ala Hoagland, prove correct, who knows what BF will really turn out to be.

Soooo, i take it then, the forum will not endorse my candidate?

Is there a button to unread a thread?








Or do I need to go through electroshock therapy for that?