This has been the result of 6 weeks of research and field trips to an area of interest.

Bushman wrote in; Chehalis Sound



The Chehalis vocalization was made by a known animal.
I can also name at least three other alleged sasquatch vocalizations [ maybe more ] which have been the center of attention for [ Squatch ] audiophiles for the past 30 years And I now can feel very confident in saying that the sounds on these recordings...were also caused by known animals.

Klamath vocalization
Puyallup vocalization
Mt. St. Helen's vocalization

I am sure that Thomas Steenburg will have more to say when he comes online.

I want to thank Bushman who informed us that the vocalization was heard again yesterday at 8:00 a.m.
Myself and Thomas made a confirmation of the vocalization source today at 9:30 a.m in the same area. Both visually and audibly. Without the Bushman's efforts, these alleged sasquatch vocalizations might have continued to be misidentified for many more years!

Both of these posts appeared in the analysis section..but I believe that people seldom visit there anymore. And this is too important to be left buried.
Some of you may think otherwise, of course.
But at least it is now out there for your perusal.

Thanks to everyone for their work and effort.

"Myself and Thomas made a confirmation of the vocalization source today at 9:30 a.m in the same area. Both visually and audibly."
GrandCherokee, what animal did you see making these vocalizations?

I have had an unidentified encounter with something that had the power of
a Lion roar from about 10 yards away that sounded like a human scream and
lasted about 7 to 10 seconds.

I did not hear the Chehalis scream. By coincidence I actually tried to listen
to it the other day and noticed that it had been pulled. Now I think I understand
why.

Galahad

I don't know, Gerry. The Puyallup vocalization has always worked well for me in call blasting, I usually get responces from it (and no, not responces from coyotes). I'm not ready to write the Puyallup vocalization off quite yet.

GrandCherokee, I found my answer. Coyotes eh, Who'd a thunk it. Now I got to hear the
Chehalis scream. Any chance you might put it back up as a known vocal so we can file
it as this aint the big guy.

Galahad

So GC, are you saying all three of these are Coyotes ?

hmmm ok well i am no expert by any means but i live in an area where i have experienced the pain of coyotes for 15+ years.....they kick up and make their noise then either move on or really sound like a woman screaming....and i do mean a female screaming....its very disturbing late at night.....what i heard on that film clip was decesive and deliberite....i'm not saying it's not a coyote but i've been there and done that enough to know to think and feel different than whats seemingling to be accepted.......... :new_whistle:

No body is more surprised but what we witnessed today than Grandcherokee and I. I have lived all my life in areas where coyote crys and other sounds were a nightly occurance and not once in all that time did I ever hear one emit a sound such as the one we heard this morning,(April 5th, 2006, 09:30 a.m.).
If I had not seen and heard it myself I don't think I would have beleaved it. But the recording now known as the Chehalis sounds, which resulted in six weeks of back up investigation at the location has resulted in a disapointing but definite conclusion. A rare sound uttered by coyotes. It seemed the animal was was using the sound to locate a companion, probably its mate as the second animal appeared to be as large as the first. When the second animal appeared the sounds from the first animal immediately changed back to the familer yep type sound I have heard coyotes make a thousand times before. both animals ran along the edge of the flats around the trailer park and we lost sight of them as they neared the main Morris valley road about half a mile west of our position. But there is no mistaken the fact that the sounds the first coyote made were what has been recorded and reported by members of the trailer park over the last few years. sounds which are remarkably simuler to other alledged sasquatch recordings over the last 30 years, including the Puyallup screamer of 1973. The volume of the cry from this coyote was a wonder to behold, at least three times as loud as the familer yipping calls which followed. and if echoing effect along with the way sounds are louder it seems at night? It's no wonder we all thought and I was one of the most ridgit supporters of these as possible sasquatch screams. But research is research and when results point to an answer that disapoints. we all just have to accept it, and carry on. So I am afriad that the Chehalis sounds and all the similar sounds recorded since 1973 have now an explanation which points to something other than sasquatch, and all of you out there who know me knows I would not say this if I did not believe it.

Thomas Steenburg

Well I will say it, yes. If the the animal recorded these three times is the same as the Chehalis sounds. It was a rare sound emitted by a coyote. And I wish I was wrong, dam.

Thomas Steenburg

Damn, that's a bitter pill. Not good news at all.

The truth HAS to come out one way or another though and thanks go out to you, Bushman and GC.

Still though...dammit. :icon_bang:

Were you able to record the coyote making the rare sound? That should certainly be posted for comparison.

At least it wasn't a hoaxer. :new_weirdsmiley:

Nice work gentlemen. This is obviously a HUGE blow to supposed vocalizations. If something as common as a coyote can fool those of you that have been around them most of your lives, FOR SO LONG, one has to strongly question every recorded vocalization in existence. That's not intended as a slight to anyone whatsoever, just a reminder of how little humanity really knows about most of the rest of the animal kingdom.

Between this blow and the recent revelations about at least some of the dermal ridge evidence, it seems that some of the pillars of bigfootery are starting to crumble. That's not necessarily a bad thing as it may help strengthen other evidence, or help answer the question as to whether or not they really exist in the first place.

Now if only Dfoot would finish dispelling the PGF we could all go home. :wink:

Apeman

Chehalis tape here:

http://www.westcoast-sasquatch.com/chehalis.wav

Of course, I'm influenced now, but I would have thought coyote on that one.

Hi Galahad!
The creatures in question were two large coyotes. Myself and Thomas were separated by a few hundred feet checking out pools of standing water, with muddy banks, looking for prints of what we hoped were making these vocalizations..when to my amazement I heard the vocalization itself. I saw Thomas looking in the same direction and heard him call "That's it!"
So both of us sprinted in that direction. We heard these squatch suspected calls 3 to five times as we ran in that direction. At one point we stopped and I took Thomas's binoculars from his pack. Then there was the a last call which allowed me to focus in on the area they were coming from.
Here was the odd part. In mid call it went from this strange cry and changed into the usual yip..yip..yip you usually hear from coyotes. At that point I could clearly see the two as they ran for the shoreline.
Without a shred of doubt in my mind, and that of Thomas Steenburg. ,coyotes made the Chehalis sound and are quite capable of having made, puyallup, klamath and Mt St. Helens..and maybe more.

This was all particularly painful to absorb! Like you others, we often played these recordings and marveled at what could be making them. Now we know. For we have seen it..and heard it with our own eyes and ears, on a bright spring morning on a vast area of flatland where nothing could move unless one could see it. There is no margin for error.
So in a way yesterday was a sad morning as we headed back to the vehicles. But as Thomas said that morning. "We're researchers. And researchers have to report the unpopular, as well as the popular discoveries."

Thanks to both of you for adding some more water to the bucket of knowledge we all drink from.

Hence the reason both of us were running, LAL.
I wanted to get as close as possible to get a clear recording of the vocalization with my recorder and I was also carrying a video cam, both of which were useless, for by the time we reached a solid observation point..where we could drop our gear,the yotes connected with each other, then reverted back to their usual jabber and high tailed it out of there. Recording, or taping them at that point would have been moot .

Thomas-

Taking this in...the sounds you heard up in the Harrison area - were they much different? I'm around
coyotes quite a bit as well. (Were they similiar?)

lookoutman.

Hi All:

After receiving the following e-mail message from ear-witnesses on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 at 9:30 a.m., I quickly hightailed it out to the Harrison River to listen to more strange sounds a retired couple living in the area had just recently managed to tape on their Hi-8 Sony camcorder:



I have the Harrison River couple's original Hi-8 tape containing another 20 minutes of strange sounds here now, but as of yet I have "not" gone through the trouble of hooking everything up to my computer to make a copy of their recording.

As strange as it may sound, the coyotes can clearly be heard changing their vocalization patterns about midway through the newest recording. In the beginning of the current recording the coyotes go from sounding very similar to many purported sasquatch vocalizations to the familiar yipping sounds so often heard.

To make a long story short, I believe that the current recordings on the Hi-8 tape that I have carefully listened to would prove beyond a shadow of doubt that coyotes are the one and only culprits responsible for making at least the Chehalis Sounds.

Full speed ahead with sasquatch research. :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

Carry on!

Bushman
(Ken)

Edited to add a couple of very important points that slipped my feeble, old mind:

My hat goes off to Thomas Steenburg and Gerry Matthews (GrandCherokee) for their persistence and continued hard work in solving the source of the Chehalis Sounds.

Make no mistake, I would have been right there with my fellow sasquatch researchers trudging through all the mud, muck and water if I hadn’t lost my best boots in a certain bet I’d recently made on the source of the Chehalis Sounds.

Ken :wink:

Location howl;
A lone long howl where coyotes try to locate other members of the pack ..

What we have here are two introductory cries..followed by four barks...then...instant sasquatch...

Just add a valley for an echo, night to increase the audio, or ground fog...and there ya go.

"We're researchers. And researchers have to report the unpopular, as well as the popular discoveries."
Thomas Steenburg

GC, Bushman, Tom....
Excellent work, Gentlemen ! :appl: :icon14:

"...as the magnifying glass tightens it's focus, certain things will start to burn down."
J.K.

T. and GC were very lucky to see the animals that were making these sounds.

I just don't want to see everyone jump on the "it's a coyote, no need to record it" bandwagon. I'm afraid we'll miss some important and/or useful sound recordings.

JMO

Actually I am not sad that you have witnessed a historic event in Sasquatchery (sic). Although you didn't
bag the big one. You are making your work in the field as objective as possible. I have been cautiously optimistic with all purported sasquatch sounds. Until there is an actual sighting of a sasquatch making a particular sound I have to place it in the theoretical department. I guess that would include my close encounter. The only vocalization that approximates the roar, scream I heard was at the Bellingham Bigfoot Conference hosted by Jason Valenti. John Andrews and Darrold Smith captured a very similar vocalization. You can reference it by listening to the last of 6 episodes that Jason has on his website. I say that it approximates the sound because the volume of the roar I heard cannot be captured at the distance these vocalizations were recorded. The length of the vocalization is similar and the tone is similar, what I heard definetly was not a whoop but a roar by somethng very, very big.

Just a matter of clarification. Did you actually see the coyotes making the sound or was it the conclusion you reached by their proximity to the sound and the fact that it changed to their characteristic yelp. Not that it matters, that is the conclusion I too would reach if I saw what you saw.

Keep up the good work and thank you for sharing the information. It all helps.

Galahad

No doubt Jay!
There are still some scarey recordings out there...and a lot of unsolved mjystery...this is just a brief bump in the road.

Edited to add; Galahad..there is no doubt in my mind..three postings before this one I placed a recording to show exactly how they do it...it is called a location howl!

I hear ya brother. I know you, Thomas and Ken won't let this keep you from checking out the next recording you get. :wink:

Yes, congratluations gentlemen. I know you weren't pleased to make the observation you did, but I commend you for your honesty in reporting it here.

Don't fret though bigfooters! We skeptics never bought the "call blasting" stuff anyway. There's still the matter of all those footprints and eyewitness accounts!
~Saskeptic

Now lets just hear a coyote say "Here chicky chicky chicky" :laugh:

Welcome to the club guys. :laugh:

As a great philosopher once said; "You got to roll with the punches and get to what's real".

Sage advice from the mind of D.L. Roth..... one of my favorite philosophers.

"...I reach down....between my legs, and....

...ease the seat back...."
D.L. Roth

Absolutely fascinating! Who would have guessed! This does come as a disappointment to say the least. Great research to the folks who finally uncovered the mystery.

-Tom

As a predator hunter who has used both electronic and mouth-blown calls, I know very well how effective calling can be.

The problem that I always realized was that trying to use sounds attributed to sasquatches was too risky to try; either the sounds really didn't come from a sasquatch, or the sound may have been detrimental to bringing the animal closer (an alarm).

The only purported sasquatch sound I've ever heard recorded that I thought might be the real thing were the Sierra Sounds.

What do you think of the Ohio howl?

"What do you think of the Ohio howl?"

2 words:
Money,
Maker

Oddly enough, Matt...your name was mentioned on the way back to the vehicles.!

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...something like, " 'ol Tube's gonna LOVE this !" ???

Well, any kind of gloating is totally counterproductive, because it only promotes a backlash. I'm not gloating on this one because I've never considered the "Puyallup Screamer" to be bogus in the first place.

I've never had well thought-out opinions on any of the alleged vocalizations, except perhaps the "Sierra Sounds", simply because I lack the wilderness experience.

At the risk of sounding cynical, I will say that I expect the "Puyallup Screamer" will still be promoted as a Sasquatch vocalization despite these recent findings. If you look at "fringe science" in general, you find this as a pattern; something gets promoted as evidence which is later determined to be not so solid after all, but then keeps on coming back as "evidence". Take the "Cottingley Fairies" for example, or the Maury Island UFO "mystery".

I predict that 10 years from now, there will be websites that contain the "Puyallup Screamer" sound file and promote it as being a genuine Sasquatch vocalization.

Is it gloating to suggest that it is something of a black mark for Bigfootery that it took 33 years for the "Puyallup Screamer" vocalization to be analyzed correctly?

IMO that doesnt sound much like the said Sas calls,
even with echo and other noises added it just sounds like coyotes
to me.

It got my dog off the couch though

As I have said before when it comes to vocalizations
I will beleive it when I see it.

Thats my two cents for what its worth :wink:

Glen the sounds I heard a couple of years ago in the hills above Deroche were at the time i thought very simluer to the Lisa Willaford recordings at Snohomish Wash, from sept 1978 to late October 1978. This was before any recording was made at Chehalis. Now that both these recordings are so simluer I have to conclude that it indeed was a coytoe I heard at 04:30 a.m. And as I recall it seemed local coyotes did respond to the noise as well as several local barking dogs. But the ones down below me at the river made the very familer yip type call which i reconised right away. It took me 25 years to hear something I thought at the time might be a sasquatch in the distance now I'm back to square one!

Thomas steenburg

I have no idea what made that sound.

Neither does anyone else.

Is it possible that sasquatch could have learned these sounds from the coyotes and just used them when it needed a midnight snack, maybe like call blasting to a stupid coyote? Just a thought...

Sunflower

Normally I'd say that was a ridiculous thought, but I just saw a video of a bird that was fishing by getting bread crumbs off of a dock, sprinkling them on the water, then nabbing the little fish that came up to feed.

With the California scream also currently being reevaluated as a possible known animal, I hope people will start actually investigating these sounds to the fullest before making claims about their squatchiness.

If by chance you’re referring to the Klamath scream, it was investigated by me. I personally sent the recording to Texas A&M and Cornell University for evaluation where both came to the same conclusion: “unknown animal”. The witness, shortly after the recording was made sent it to Stanford, where the conclusion was: “unknown animal, but similar to an orangutan”.

The witness at the time was a fishing guide who now works as a correctional officer at Pelican Bay State Prison. He was as creditable as they come, and has been in the woods most of his life working as a fishing guide for a good portion of it.

The unfortunate part of this issue is two-fold:

1: No one saw what was making the Klamath scream
2: A recording wasn’t made of the coyotes heard making a similar sound to see how they compare to the Klamath scream.

At this point I know these facts:

• The Klamath scream was recorded by several people; including a newspaper reporter that shared his recordings with the police and sheriffs department at the time it was recorded.

• This vocalization happened where a sighting had occurred just a week prior.

• And over a hundred people heard this vocalization from the small community of Hunters Creek. Nobody thought it was a coyote.

• Around the same time, Scott Herriott video taped an animal in this area that is thought to be a possible sasquatch.


This would not be the first time someone has made the claim that the Klamath scream is a coyote, however, it has been evaluated by three top universities that have come to similar conclusions, none of which are coyote.

John Freitas

With all due respect, I believe this recording and every similar one should be put into the same category as various odd smells in the forest, weird "feelings" that are sometimes felt, unusual stick formations, tree breaks, limb twist, tree 'arcs' and 'bows', odd rock stacks, etc., none of which have one single shred of evidence that can attribute them to a heretofore unidentified North American bipedal primate. Like you said, no one saw what made this sound and until someone sees, hears, and records a big, hairy, bipedal creature emitting this sound, it's just another oddity of nature, and should be considered as such. We are entering into a new era for sasquatch research, and the old ways(which obviously haven't worked for fifty years) are just that, old. IMO, it's time to stop wasting time on things that have proven themselves to be useless.

Am I the only person here who thinks that the coyote squeals posted earlier in this thread sound very little, if at all, like the "Bigfoot" recordings they're supposed to match? For one thing, the Klamath and Puyallup recordings are much deeper.

Is it my imagination, or have all the scream sounds been removed from the BFRO? Or am I dreaming that they were there beforehand?

You guys did excellent work. You persisted and followed it out to the end. This is a great thing, not a bad thing. Coyotes are cool and very resourceful creatures. My daughter and I had a similar experience, They can make all kinds of neat sounds. This is what I love about Sasquatch research, no matter what we learn about the world around us.

Coyote is the Trickster, and they love to laugh...

No your not the only one :new_tiredsmiley:
Now I have become a skeptic of skeptics


Show me the proof that a coyote made these sounds, GC
as skeptics go your word is nothing :wink:
the burdon of proof is in your lap

I dont think you should bunch up the other vocalizations with yours
as you were not at the other locations

im not a "romantic" I just dont think a few guys in the trailer park
with coyotes should wipe the slate clean on these other vocalizations

:popcorn2:

I think this attitude is very counterproductive.

Really, in the end, it's not going to matter what you 'think' about suspected 'vocalizations'. In this new era we are entering into, just because someone "thinks" something could possibly be attributable to 'sasquatch behavior' isn't going to cut it. Either it holds up under scrutiny on it's own, or it's left behind.

It's time to throw off all of these old crutches that we've been leaning on for so long, and sprint ahead. This is going to be hard for many, hard to let go of the things that help keep the mystery alive, hard to let go of the things that might possibly keep some people's popularity in place, hard to face what needs to be faced head-on, letting go of long-held, yet unsubstantiable material and moving foreward, but nevertheless, it's time we moved foreward.

I am no expert on animal sounds, but what you describe sounds like a fox to me.

Most people when they hear a fox call mistake it for a murderous human scream, and it does last for ages.

It frightened me half to death the first time I heard one.

I am convinced that foxes may be responsible for more 'sasquatch' screams than people like to give them credit for.




Great word Wildman - I can feel a 'Squatchiness' meter coming up :laugh:

Do coyotes in captivity make similar sounds to the ones in the wild? Does anyone have information on this or what? I have 2 fur babies, one of them gets very excited when she wants my husband to wrestle and tussle with her and will run around yelling her heard off making a low, almost lion growl that gets his attention. Normally she's just a sweet and funny little furball, makes all kinds of noises that sound like she's talking to us. We can ask her questions and she responds with different tones of, going up and down, within the "meows" and you can tell she asking for food, play or to go out on the porch. So, I have a feeling that all animals have different sounds for whatever animal emotions are being demonstrated.