bigpaulie
Mar 20 2006, 06:06 PM
Let's see here.
nighthunter invited a BFRO "disciple" to an event in the South Central Cascades. klparnell had his vehicle shook TWICE different times. I heard "something" outside my PU truck, at 5:05 am. ALL of this is under the South Cental Cascades topic, etc. etc. Suffice it to say the BFRO will INVADE this location in August. So be warned that your favorite "Biggie" spot may become public knowledge and you'll be run out probably by the overbearing, mind-numbed robots of you know who. The "If they didn't encounter it ,your lying bunch. Just venting here. My prime encounter spot will remain INDEPENDENT.
Thank you
BP
Fishbone35
Mar 20 2006, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(bigpaulie @ Mar 20 2006, 06:43 PM)

Just venting here.
Feel better now?
ganglian
Mar 20 2006, 07:49 PM
so dont share it. By the same token, when did this become a competition? But that said, my spot(s) are my own. The only nearby location that I might end up sharing with them they were at first.
moregon
Mar 21 2006, 09:13 PM
QUOTE(ganglian @ Mar 20 2006, 08:26 PM)

so dont share it. By the same token, when did this become a competition? But that said, my spot(s) are my own. The only nearby location that I might end up sharing with them they were at first.
ganglian, have you ever done much fishing? If you have, then you know how every once in a while you can work a lake or river for days, weeks, months or even years and one day you find a great spot to fish. Regardless of the time of day, season of the year you always catch your bag limit. Those kinds of spots we keep secret, except to a very few close friends we may take out there, with the inferred promise it's not revealed to anyone else. So one day you take a person to your fishing spot that you feel fairly comfortable with, because the few times you've fished with him he's proven to be a knowledgeable angler. He enjoys the day fishing and he too catches his limit and you both go home happy.
Now the next time you go out to your fishing hole, your astounded to find 100 boats sitting right on top of it, and you wonder what in the hell happened. You ask one guy in a boat nearby and he points down the shore to a little hut with a big sign hanging up offering to sell maps to the best fishing hole on the lake for $1,000. The guy in the hut, who happens to be the same person you took to the spot, has made a small fortune all because of YOUR hard work. He invested absolutely no sweat of his own into it he just stole YOUR information. So you feel slighted and figure the least he should do is share the profit with you since you'll now have to go and find another fishing hole because this one will be ruined for years. Of course when you approach him the guy denies he's ever met you and has no idea what you are talking about...
It has nothing to do with competition, it has more to do with honest respect for others. IF the mentioned person from the BFRO had asked permission to reveal that location, I'd look at it differently, but apparently they didn't. Nor does it appear the BFRO asked if it would be alright to bring others into the area, instead they seem to be bulldozing themselves right in on top of someone elses research area. Unless we respect each other, and the information others are willing to share with us, we may as well give up. Because with attitudes like what's happening here, nobody is going to want to share any information.
ganglian
Mar 22 2006, 06:35 AM
QUOTE
ganglian, have you ever done much fishing? If you have, then you know how every once in a while you can work a lake or river for days, weeks, months or even years and one day you find a great spot to fish. Regardless of the time of day, season of the year you always catch your bag limit. Those kinds of spots we keep secret, except to a very few close friends we may take out there, with the inferred promise it\'s not revealed to anyone else. So one day you take a person to your fishing spot that you feel fairly comfortable with, because the few times you\'ve fished with him he\'s proven to be a knowledgeable angler. He enjoys the day fishing and he too catches his limit and you both go home happy.
Now the next time you go out to your fishing hole, your astounded to find 100 boats sitting right on top of it, and you wonder what in the hell happened. You ask one guy in a boat nearby and he points down the shore to a little hut with a big sign hanging up offering to sell maps to the best fishing hole on the lake for $1,000. The guy in the hut, who happens to be the same person you took to the spot, has made a small fortune all because of YOUR hard work. He invested absolutely no sweat of his own into it he just stole YOUR information. So you feel slighted and figure the least he should do is share the profit with you since you\'ll now have to go and find another fishing hole because this one will be ruined for years. Of course when you approach him the guy denies he\'s ever met you and has no idea what you are talking about...
It has nothing to do with competition, it has more to do with honest respect for others. IF the mentioned person from the BFRO had asked permission to reveal that location, I\'d look at it differently, but apparently they didn\'t. Nor does it appear the BFRO asked if it would be alright to bring others into the area, instead they seem to be bulldozing themselves right in on top of someone elses research area. Unless we respect each other, and the information others are willing to share with us, we may as well give up. Because with attitudes like what\'s happening here, nobody is going to want to share any information.
I can understand your position, perhaps I misunderstood, and btw, I just PMed you.
xpert4u
Mar 23 2006, 12:43 AM
The only information I wouldn't share is if I knew a location of a body. Anything else is just not that important. Any idiot that would pay $1000 for a fishing spot deserves it, I can't imagine anyone doing that.
moregon
Mar 23 2006, 04:54 AM
QUOTE(xpert4u @ Mar 23 2006, 01:20 AM)

The only information I wouldn't share is if I knew a location of a body. Anything else is just not that important. Any idiot that would pay $1000 for a fishing spot deserves it, I can't imagine anyone doing that.
:doh:
Do you always take things so literally? I was trying to draw an analogy by the use of a parable.
Sean V
Mar 23 2006, 07:05 AM
QUOTE(moregon @ Mar 23 2006, 06:31 AM)

:doh:
Do you always take things so literally? I was trying to draw an analogy by the use of a parable.
:laugh:
Oh, man. That was funny. :laugh:
Deano2331
Mar 23 2006, 09:07 PM
moregon i think you make you point very equantly, thank you for this in site, BP if i am ever in WA i would love to join you on a trip ever near CO give me a buzz
Piney
Mar 26 2006, 08:46 PM
I think people, not organizations themselves are the problem. I invited a BFRO researcher to my "hotspot" and he asked if I wanted the location revealed or not. He never brings anybody but himself and would not go public with a location or turn it into a "field trip" if I did not wish it. I was wary at first because of negitive publicity I read around the net but now I trust him completely.
Lapi'che
1sunseeker
Mar 28 2006, 07:12 PM
Bigpaulie, seems to me if you don't want to share then don't. Now really, the Cascades and Washington State is a big place. As far as I know you don't own anything but what is deeded to you. And of course those tame Sasquatches you have running around your place. The ones that don't travel, migrate, or look for love any where else. You remind me of those guys from the city who move out into the country and then try to change the zoning so no body else can have their own little plot......Perhaps you would get more pleasure out of shareing? Just think you could be a hero! I can see the headlines on the BFF....Bigpaulie finds utopia and a bigfoot! He shares, he is a hero three cheers for the man!
June
Mar 28 2006, 08:07 PM
Sunseeker, Happy Birthday April 1st. June :-)
xpert4u
Mar 29 2006, 01:06 AM
QUOTE(moregon @ Mar 23 2006, 03:31 AM)

:doh:
Do you always take things so literally? I was trying to draw an analogy by the use of a parable.
Deleted this as it was a second post...Sorry :doh:
xpert4u
Mar 29 2006, 01:17 AM
QUOTE(moregon @ Mar 23 2006, 03:31 AM)

:doh:
Do you always take things so literally? I was trying to draw an analogy by the use of a parable.
I understood your analogy, just don't agree with it. I didn't intend to come off so strong, but I have a strong belief in sharing info. No one should feel compelled to share, but with sharing info, maybe we can take steps forward to find proof of BF's existence, the only ones that won't are the ones in it for the money and that makes me sad. And if the BFRO takes people to hot spots (I know there are questions here) and makes enough money to keep the search up and lets Joe Average join, then who are we to judge? If you don't like it, don't go. If you want to make money from BF searching ( Good Luck) don't share. But I think anything in life is much more rewarding when you have others with the same interests to share the experience with...
STKMF
Mar 30 2006, 11:19 PM
xpert4u- u may be right about sharing info. but from what I can understand in reading several threads is that someone associated with the BFRO was not invited to a trip. And now that there is an added trip by the BFRO to the cascades seems concidental. Yeah we can all say the cascades as well as Washington state is a big place. But, when people posts threads about what happened to them in an area and then within a few weeks the BFRO has added a trip titled "Cascades" then it seems too concidental. Why are these people offended, maybe because they spent time in that area, someone associated with the BFRO comes uninvited, and then there is an added trip to the ""Cascades" I would be upset too. The BFRO will make money off people to go searching in an area that was brought to there attention by other people that spent the time reasearcing an area.
chrisandclauida2
Mar 31 2006, 12:47 AM
the fishing spot example is BS. it has nothing to do with a research area. hell this spot is public land and as such it belongs to the people of the state of Washington and the united states. the only property you own is one you have a deed for.
i am also getting a bit tried of this BS non issue about the evil invaders.
if you don't want to let out a research area then don't do it.
the bfro is coming the bfro is coming. sounds immature doesn't it, chicken little
but like i said if your naive enough to think that one of the perennial Bigfoot hot spots is a secret or yours then you should go back to school or something.
on top of this starting 2 or 3 threads to try to continue the rant is plain stupid.
the bfro has been known alleged or reported[which ever term you choose] to have pressured researchers out of certon areas. this is just as bad as you all crying about the bfro is coming.
i am one that thinks we should all share any research results we have. this said it is perfectly acceptable to keep a research area secret while your doing research. but it ain't your area. any half ass investigator that sees many sighting reports from a small area or see a forum member bragging about interactions they have recently had will go to that area. hell they have a right to. we need all the help we can get.
i say take this as a chance to do a little research on a group you feel is not of the highest integrity. do a weekend surveillance on the group on their expedition. you may get lots of ammo about any monkey business as it were. hell you may get a pic of a guy in a monkey suite near a bfro expedition. then your problem would seem to solve them selves wouldn't they.
ganglian
Mar 31 2006, 06:31 AM
QUOTE
the fishing spot example is BS. it has nothing to do with a research area. hell this spot is public land and as such it belongs to the people of the state of Washington and the united states. the only property you own is one you have a deed for.
i am also getting a bit tried of this BS non issue about the evil invaders.
if you don\'t want to let out a research area then don\'t do it.
the bfro is coming the bfro is coming. sounds immature doesn\'t it, chicken little
but like i said if your naive enough to think that one of the perennial Bigfoot hot spots is a secret or yours then you should go back to school or something.
on top of this starting 2 or 3 threads to try to continue the rant is plain stupid.
the bfro has been known alleged or reported[which ever term you choose] to have pressured researchers out of certon areas. this is just as bad as you all crying about the bfro is coming.
i am one that thinks we should all share any research results we have. this said it is perfectly acceptable to keep a research area secret while your doing research. but it ain\'t your area. any half ass investigator that sees many sighting reports from a small area or see a forum member bragging about interactions they have recently had will go to that area. hell they have a right to. we need all the help we can get.
i say take this as a chance to do a little research on a group you feel is not of the highest integrity. do a weekend surveillance on the group on their expedition. you may get lots of ammo about any monkey business as it were. hell you may get a pic of a guy in a monkey suite near a bfro expedition. then your problem would seem to solve them selves wouldn\'t they.
I think it\'s up to the research to decide who they should and shouldn\'t trust. In the time I\'ve been doing this it has become obvious to me that there\'s more than a little politics in this community so your outlook comes off as a bit niave. That said, I agree with your stance though. if you don\'t want to share knowledge of a hotspot, then don\'t.
xpert4u
Apr 3 2006, 03:31 AM
QUOTE(STKMF @ Mar 30 2006, 09:56 PM)

xpert4u- u may be right about sharing info. but from what I can understand in reading several threads is that someone associated with the BFRO was not invited to a trip. And now that there is an added trip by the BFRO to the cascades seems concidental. Yeah we can all say the cascades as well as Washington state is a big place. But, when people posts threads about what happened to them in an area and then within a few weeks the BFRO has added a trip titled "Cascades" then it seems too concidental. Why are these people offended, maybe because they spent time in that area, someone associated with the BFRO comes uninvited, and then there is an added trip to the ""Cascades" I would be upset too. The BFRO will make money off people to go searching in an area that was brought to there attention by other people that spent the time reasearcing an area.

I believe the BFRO guy was invited to go...but the bottom line is, how do you think everyone finds out about spots to go BF searching? I'd say about 90%+ is by sighting reports on the BFRO site or one of the other sites. Its still about sharing...
STKMF
Apr 3 2006, 07:21 PM
the BFRO person was not invited, I asked Nighthunter and he said he asked all particapants not to invite any BFRO people. And sharing info is great, but they spent alot of time developing that area. He felt it was too concidental that a few weeks after their trip a new "added" trip was added by the BFRO. And yes the cascades are big, but once again it is concidental. One of the reasons he is upset is that they will come in and charge people, in an area him and his group developed. And all you people from B.C. and other places can speculate all you want, I was their with them, I heard the scream, and the wood-knocks, and felt the vehicle being"bumped" in the early morning, the over-whelming feeling to not turn around and look out the camper windows. And all of you that say" but you were sleeping" when we heard the knocks, I have slept with a weapon for years (state-side,Iraq) and I can sleep and still be aware of my surroundings. I did not dream up the wood-knocks, I was aware of them after the 1st knock I heard. thank u- have a nice day....
Huntster
Apr 3 2006, 07:42 PM
QUOTE(bigpaulie @ Mar 20 2006, 06:43 PM)

....So be warned that your favorite "Biggie" spot may become public knowledge and you'll be run out probably by the overbearing, mind-numbed robots of you know who. The "If they didn't encounter it ,your lying bunch....
You mean, if I publically reveal that Port Chatham, Alaska, (59;13;06N by 151;04;02W) is full of sasquatches, BFRO will invade and make "the discovery" before me?
Wow, thanks for the warning! I'll be really, really careful from now on........
Piney
Apr 3 2006, 07:55 PM
Hey. I believe in sharing and as I said before, I revealed my 'hotspot' to a BFRO investigator. Then He revealed his 'hotspot' to me. Neither one of us would "infringe" without the others invitation. It is the person, not the organization who is the problem.
Lapi'che
Dread
Apr 4 2006, 05:19 AM
QUOTE(chrisandclauida2 @ Mar 31 2006, 02:24 AM)

the bfro has been known alleged or reported[which ever term you choose] to have pressured researchers out of certon areas. this is just as bad as you all crying about the bfro is coming.
How do they do that exactly? If the BFRO came in and said hey we want to go with you and check this place out cool. But if they showed up and told me I had to leave because they said so.....ain't gonna happen.
QUOTE(chrisandclauida2 @ Mar 31 2006, 02:24 AM)

i am one that thinks we should all share any research results we have. this said it is perfectly acceptable to keep a research area secret while your doing research. but it ain't your area. any half ass investigator that sees many sighting reports from a small area or see a forum member bragging about interactions they have recently had will go to that area. hell they have a right to. we need all the help we can get.
I agree 100%, less bitching and more helping each other, I think the BFRO should share first :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
xpert4u
Apr 5 2006, 02:38 AM
QUOTE(Huntster @ Apr 3 2006, 07:19 PM)

You mean, if I publically reveal that Port Chatham, Alaska, (59;13;06N by 151;04;02W) is full of sasquatches, BFRO will invade and make "the discovery" before me?
Wow, thanks for the warning! I'll be really, really careful from now on........
Hunter you crack me up.... :rolling:
QUOTE(STKMF @ Apr 3 2006, 06:58 PM)

the BFRO person was not invited, I asked Nighthunter and he said he asked all particapants not to invite any BFRO people. And sharing info is great, but they spent alot of time developing that area. He felt it was too concidental that a few weeks after their trip a new "added" trip was added by the BFRO. And yes the cascades are big, but once again it is concidental. One of the reasons he is upset is that they will come in and charge people, in an area him and his group developed. And all you people from B.C. and other places can speculate all you want, I was their with them, I heard the scream, and the wood-knocks, and felt the vehicle being"bumped" in the early morning, the over-whelming feeling to not turn around and look out the camper windows. And all of you that say" but you were sleeping" when we heard the knocks, I have slept with a weapon for years (state-side,Iraq) and I can sleep and still be aware of my surroundings. I did not dream up the wood-knocks, I was aware of them after the 1st knock I heard. thank u- have a nice day....

You're right, I got Piney post confused with the other one. But has anyone verified where the BFRO is going to be in the Cascades? Maybe its not in the same area.
And by developing the area, do you mean that they have a connection with BF in the area, so they can access them at any time? Because if they can't, then again I say, whats the harm?
P.S. I hope your guns not loaded....could get messy...
STKMF
Apr 6 2006, 01:39 PM
gun is always loaded. and I am not a civilan or idot that dosent know how to use a weapon. I am a soldier, and YOU civilans dont know this but when you say stuff like that its insulting to soldiers. thank u- have a nice day.....
chrisandclauida2
Apr 10 2006, 09:03 PM
QUOTE(STKMF @ Apr 6 2006, 01:16 PM)

gun is always loaded. and I am not a civilan or idot that dosent know how to use a weapon. I am a soldier, and YOU civilans dont know this but when you say stuff like that its insulting to soldiers. thank u- have a nice day.....

WTF
JayleeD
Apr 10 2006, 09:06 PM
QUOTE(chrisandclauida2 @ Apr 10 2006, 10:40 PM)

WTF
I was wondering the same thing Chris.
Saskwatcher
Apr 10 2006, 09:24 PM
QUOTE(STKMF @ Apr 6 2006, 01:16 PM)
gun is always loaded. and I am not a civilan or idot that dosent know how to use a weapon.
-----------------------
What a coincidence..... my gun is always loaded, too ! but I am a civilan & an idot that dose know how to use a weapon.
This is my rifle...this is my gun..... :wink:
Huntster
Apr 10 2006, 09:32 PM
QUOTE(Saskwatcher @ Apr 10 2006, 10:01 PM)

...This is my rifle...this is my gun..... :wink:
This is killing, this is for fun!
Dread
Apr 10 2006, 09:33 PM
Only soldiers know how to use guns?

I shoot better than most of my buddies who were in the army :new_weirdsmiley:
xpert4u
Apr 10 2006, 11:47 PM
QUOTE(chrisandclauida2 @ Apr 10 2006, 08:40 PM)

WTF
I know, I know....I was just going to let it go.... :new_weirdsmiley:
By the way, I'm a Vietnam Vet, but I know when to leave it back there.
Saskwatcher
Apr 10 2006, 11:58 PM
xpert4u !
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR !!! :flagusa: :icon14:
Dread
Apr 14 2006, 03:07 PM
QUOTE(Saskwatcher @ Apr 11 2006, 01:35 AM)

xpert4u !
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR !!! :flagusa: :icon14:
YES YES, and to STKMF as well the other vets who post here.
Leemon
May 6 2006, 08:51 PM
What they said.
mstrocraft
May 7 2006, 06:45 AM
We won't be going in to their area.
BFRO-WA
STKMF
May 7 2006, 07:47 PM
because??????? the BFRO was not invited???????? The last trip I was on I specifically said I did not want anyone that was associated with the BFRO there, and yet two of them showed up....
mstrocraft
May 12 2006, 07:16 AM
STKMF
Could you have nighthunter give me a call, would like to coordinate with him to insure that the BFRO does not go into his/your area, at least on my watch. If he gets my answering machine, I will return his call at the earliest opportunity.
Happy hunting.
chrisandclauida2
May 14 2006, 05:39 PM
isn't this whine party dead yet. i am sure that like most employers that your provides free counseling for issues like this. with time you wont have the fear of large groups overtaking your pristine part of the peoples Forrest. oh ya one more time it isn't your spot it is in an area that is a historical hot spot that has been investigated for years. get over it and share with every one else. after all were all trying to get the same result.
xpert4u
May 24 2006, 01:47 AM
QUOTE(chrisandclauida2 @ May 14 2006, 05:16 PM)

isn't this whine party dead yet. i am sure that like most employers that your provides free counseling for issues like this. with time you wont have the fear of large groups overtaking your pristine part of the peoples Forrest. oh ya one more time it isn't your spot it is in an area that is a historical hot spot that has been investigated for years. get over it and share with every one else. after all were all trying to get the same result.
:appl:
QUOTE(Saskwatcher @ Apr 10 2006, 11:35 PM)

xpert4u !
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR !!! :flagusa: :icon14:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I JUST WISH IT COULD HAVE BEEN SAID 30 YEARS AGO WHEN TO ALL THAT CAME BACK. AT LEAST OUR TROUPS ARE TREATED GREAT NOW WHEN THEY COME BACK....
Mel.Skahan
May 24 2006, 06:14 AM
I know for a fact that your area will not be entered by the BFRO on the next expedition in WA State.
Let's get this straight.
I informed a couple of folks that I was headed out to an area around Vancouver, WA. One of the other investigators knew where I was going because he had been directed to a witness by me because of the length of travel I had in order to get to the area. When I told him I was going to be down that way, he knew exactly where to go because we had spoke of it before, because of the witness and my prior visits. He arrived before I did and was rather surprised he was there.... but that did not stop you or your buds from telling him to leave. When I arrived you all were in the field and doing some type of search, but I did not hear a negative from anyone that was there about his visit...... WHY? Why are you doing it now?
I just don't understand how you can claim an.... NEVER MIND.... I ain't going to get into a pissing match with you folks. Just lay off the "this area is mine". IF you blame me for the invasion of the "Investigators" that attended, just told them I was going to Vancouver area and they knew automatically where I was going from the previous investigations that I had done.
Those folks that were in attendance never revealed to anyone about what your group is researching. That area is already known by the BFRO because of the notes that I have from my investigations when I was with them. Whether it's considered a HOT SPOT or not, will be determined by one person.
One year prior of you folks claiming that area as your 'AREA', I was doing report follow ups on I believe three incidents and a fourth that was about two miles away to the west.
The BFRO is not going to do the next Washington Expedition in your area.
mel
Mel.Skahan
May 24 2006, 06:35 AM
See that most of those folks that invited me to their outing are now BANNED.
Did not know until I viewed other threads.
What happens when you take a vacation.... time to catch up.
mel
blackbeard
Jun 18 2006, 03:32 PM
QUOTE(Mel.Skahan @ May 24 2006, 06:12 AM)

See that most of those folks that invited me to their outing are now BANNED.
Did not know until I viewed other threads.
What happens when you take a vacation.... time to catch up.
mel
Beacause they didn't toe your "BFRO is ruler of the roost" mentality. Those banned individuals were banned for voicing an opinion that did not support Moneytakers mantra. PERIOD! There is no room for a Bigfoot Gestapo! Seems Moneytakers personal bullying tactics do far mor harm than a few people voicing their opinions and getting booted by JayleeD.
Paul1968UK
Jun 19 2006, 02:02 AM
QUOTE(blackbeard @ Jun 18 2006, 11:09 PM)

Beacause they didn't toe your "BFRO is ruler of the roost" mentality. Those banned individuals were banned for voicing an opinion that did not support Moneytakers mantra. PERIOD! There is no room for a Bigfoot Gestapo! Seems Moneytakers personal bullying tactics do far mor harm than a few people voicing their opinions and getting booted by JayleeD.
The reasons those BFF members were banned is not a matter for public debate - there are other posts made by some of them that will never see the light of day on this forum for good reasons.
People are not banned from this forum on a whim - troublemakers and abusers are banned for good reasons, and usually after they have decided not to listen to a fiar warning.
As you should know by now, mention of 'gestapo' etc. is cause to give someone a fair warning to moderate their own posts.
Tread carefully please.
This pissing contest is getting out of hand imho - I know everyone hates it when I have the final word an close a topic, so I'm giving everyone fair warning that I'm going to close this thread before I go to bed tonight in about 12 hours time.
HarryHenderson
Jun 20 2006, 01:48 AM
QUOTE(Huntster @ Apr 3 2006, 07:19 PM)

You mean, if I publically reveal that Port Chatham, Alaska, (59;13;06N by 151;04;02W) is full of sasquatches, BFRO will invade and make "the discovery" before me?
Wow, thanks for the warning! I'll be really, really careful from now on........
:laugh: You forgot to mention the 'BFRO Special Tip of the Day'. When visiting said Port Chatham, Alaska,
always wear an outer 'parka' made from beef jerky. It's quite warm and seems to help bring in the 'big guy'. Oh and don't forget your camera.
"Harry 'Helpful' Henderson"
lewdogg21
Jun 20 2006, 02:41 PM
I just want to get a post in one of those "legendary closed threads"
I've been gone so long I don't know who's against who anymore.
This is probably a good thing!
chrisandclauida2
Jun 25 2006, 09:26 AM
:anim_horse: :anim_horse: :anim_horse: :icon_stressed: will this ever end
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