StanCourtney
Mar 11 2006, 08:51 AM
http://www.journalnet.com/articles/2006/03...n/opinion01.txtQUOTE
Bigfoot Rendezvous
I am writing to express my concern over the characterization of the inaugural Bigfoot Rendezvous described in the news item "Bigfoot buffs plan to gather here in June" from the Thursday, March 9 edition of the ISJ as "scientific in nature."
In general, scientific gatherings involve actual scientists. Neither the principals behind this event, most of the listed speakers nor the vast majority of the participants have any scientific background. While there is not a thing in the world wrong with not being a scientist, it is generally considered a qualification for making claims involving science that are expected to be taken seriously.
The choice of what to think, in my opinion, is highly personal and one of the most fundamental of human rights. If one wishes to believe in the highly unlikely existence of a tall, hairy, anthrophobic hominid that dines on luminiferous ether, produces no confirmed scat or sign, poses only for grainy 8 mm films (in which it sometimes is seen sporting a belt buckle) and buries itself after it dies, I say knock yourself out. I think it's fine that Brandon Tennant has the energy and zeal to organize an event which I think will be a economic boon for the community. No one is forcing anyone to attend, and it's way better than a casino as a mechanism for extracting money from willing volunteers.
Bigfoot, Yeti, Sasquatch, et. al. are interesting from a mythological point of view and downright funny as a sociological phenomenon, but what little in the line of science that has been offered up by the Bigfoot community in support of this creature is so poorly done as to be inadvertently humorous. The balanced "scientific" view of Bigfoot is that this creature simply does not exist.
Martin Hackworth
Idaho State University
Department of Physics,
Pocatello
LAL
Mar 11 2006, 11:06 AM
Now, I'm the first to admit I've never taken a class in logic, but isn't this a classic example of a "strawman"?
"Dines on luminiferous ether" indeed.
Martin Hackworth has produced a rather large pile of scat himself, IMHO.
That article seems familiar somehow... Hmmm...
Oh yeah... I remember where I've read that before...
I think it's a passage from an old world history textbook of mine...
But it seems the most recent author simply replaced all references to "the Earth is round" with "Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti, etc..."
[edit]- I had to read that tag line again… at first glance I thought it said “Department of Psychics”
Maheekat
Mar 12 2006, 02:03 PM
3am..... no flashlight..... no gun.....Hackworth in the dark.....strange grunts.
:popcorn2:
Sunflower
Mar 12 2006, 02:04 PM
It doesn't sound like Mr. Hackworth will be purchasing camping gear any time soon. The "buffs" could offer an invitation not only to the rendezvous but to a few nights out in the mountains. I doubt it though, from what I've seen on TV. It seems that such a small percentage even consider leaving the hallowed halls to go and investigate. Oh well, their loss!
Sunflower
LAL
Mar 12 2006, 03:14 PM
QUOTE(Sunflower @ Mar 12 2006, 03:04 PM)

It doesn't sound like Mr. Hackworth will be purchasing camping gear any time soon. The "buffs" could offer an invitation not only to the rendezvous but to a few nights out in the mountains. I doubt it though, from what I've seen on TV. It seems that such a small percentage even consider leaving the hallowed halls to go and investigate. Oh well, their loss!
Sunflower
He could at least read up on the subject, but it doesn't seem he even bothered to do that.
RayG
Mar 12 2006, 03:29 PM
QUOTE(LAL @ Mar 11 2006, 12:06 PM)

"Dines on luminiferous ether" indeed.
You know what luminiferous ether is don'tcha?
Interesting that he might share the parking lot with Dr. Meldrum. Maybe Hackworth's the reason for the disappearance of the Skookum cast press release from the ISU website. :ohmy:
RayG
socaldave
Mar 12 2006, 03:35 PM
Well at least the local academia is aware of the event. See all misguided people there!
sojourner
Mar 12 2006, 04:13 PM
Somebody publically invite and challenge him to attend.
Hairyman?
The questions Professor Dr. Hackworth hasn't dealt with have some compelling answers...
tugboatwa
Mar 12 2006, 07:35 PM
I must admit I laughed when I saw his name was Hackworth.
LAL
Mar 12 2006, 08:12 PM
QUOTE(RayG @ Mar 12 2006, 04:29 PM)

You know what luminiferous ether is don'tcha?

"In the late 19th century luminiferous aether ("light-bearing aether") was the term used to describe a medium for the propagation of light. Later theories including special relativity were formulated without the ether concept, and today the aether is considered to be an obsolete scientific theory.
(The word "aether" stems via Latin from the Greek αιθηρ, from a root meaning "to kindle/burn/shine", which signified the substance thought in ancient times to fill the upper regions of space, beyond the clouds.)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aetherSort of like "hot air".
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Interesting that he might share the parking lot with Dr. Meldrum. Maybe Hackworth's the reason for the disappearance of the Skookum cast press release from the ISU website. :ohmy:
RayG
Daegling shared a room with Meldrum. It wouldn't surprise me if Meldrum becomes a hermit.
GloriousKyle
Mar 12 2006, 08:17 PM
He raises some interesting points- can anyone point me in the direction of all the reports/case studies/evidence for sasquatch dining on luminiferous ether, buring itself after it dies, or even that grainy 8mm where he poses wearing a beltbuckle? I'd hate to think Hackworth doesn't know what he's writing about...
After all, he admits that "support of this creature is so poorly done as to be inadvertently humorous" so he's obviously familiar with the work of Wallace, Biscardi, Heronimous, Shealy, etc...
LAL
Mar 12 2006, 08:22 PM
QUOTE(GloriousKyle @ Mar 12 2006, 09:17 PM)

He raises some interesting points- can anyone point me in the direction of all the reports/case studies/evidence for sasquatch dining on luminiferous ether, buring itself after it dies, or even that grainy 8mm where he poses wearing a beltbuckle? I'd hate to think Hackworth doesn't know what he's writing about...
After all, he admits that "support of this creature is so poorly done as to be inadvertently humorous" so he's obviously familiar with the work of Wallace, Biscardi, Heronimous, Shealy, etc...
Crook, Marx, and He Who Shall Not Be Named.................
Can any of the above even spell "luminiferous ether"? Was the "bell shaped object" finally identified as a belt buckle? Little low for that, wasn't it?
littlefoot
Mar 12 2006, 11:01 PM
I have this "Good Ole' Boy" theory. Guess I should post it. You all will tear me apart, but it would be fun in the meantime... :wink: Something for another day...
Martin Hackworth stated his opinions, much like you or I would. That's okay. Some on this board really do have areas of expertise. Some, like me, don't. We're just ordinary people with no pertinent training, saying what we think & have experienced. That's okay! If we aren't here, the board isn't here with all the experience & diversity that we have.
Google him. He has a website. It's easy to figure out which one he is... associated with Idaho State University... Read it. The closest he comes to an area of study/expertise that might further Bigfoot research is in the acoustics area. With his attitidue, I don't think I'd want him to analyze a possible Bigfoot scream I'd taped, simply because he seems to be pretty well all wrapped up in himself & his credentials, and doesn't appear to be impartial & open-minded in the least to even the possibility of cryptos.
Just because a scientist is a scientist, that doesn't mean he or she qualified to speak with authority on every scientific topic. Would you go to a dentist if you had an ingrown toenail? Would you go to an astronomer to ask a question about balancing the pH of your swimming pool? Heck, you might as well go to the waitress at the restaurant where you eat breakfast, & ask how to fix your car's transmission. .. She might have a practical answer!
My point is that just because someone is a member of the established scientific community does not mean that he really knows what he's talking about. There's "science" going on all over the place. Literally. Everything is governed by science. It makes the world go 'round. Scientists all have their areas of expertise. They take an area of interest & really study it. If they do it right, then they become an expert in their field. And that means their field, not someone else's. It appears to me that Professor Hackworth has made a statement about things that are out of the realm of his expertise. So he's just like you or me, he's just stating his opinion.
Maheekat
Mar 12 2006, 11:33 PM
" Sasquatch the ultimate button pusher "
LAL
Mar 13 2006, 06:46 AM
QUOTE(littlefoot @ Mar 13 2006, 12:01 AM)

My point is that just because someone is a member of the established scientific community does not mean that he really knows what he's talking about. There's "science" going on all over the place. Literally. Everything is governed by science. It makes the world go 'round. Scientists all have their areas of expertise. They take an area of interest & really study it. If they do it right, then they become an expert in their field. And that means their field, not someone else's. It appears to me that Professor Hackworth has made a statement about things that are out of the realm of his expertise. So he's just like you or me, he's just stating his opinion.
I'm reminded of a debate on another board that ultimately led me to this board.
I posted the Skookum field notes and the geologist (who teaches logic) tore it apart, partly on grounds of "experts working out of their fields" (zoology is "out of the field"?). He then proceeded to rediagnose the crippling condition of the Bossburg right foot (after pronouncing it a fake, of course) while allowing he's not a podiatrist. He put the conversation at an end until I could come up with something "remotely credible". I filtered him. He continued to rant after I informed him of this and claimed victory. (I peeked.)
Another scientist (working in his field) bought the Heironimus story hook, line and sinker, and dismissed tracks as bear tracks.
And then I left the board.
Hairy Man
Mar 13 2006, 02:51 PM
QUOTE(littlefoot @ Mar 12 2006, 09:01 PM)

Just because a scientist is a scientist, that doesn't mean he or she qualified to speak with authority on every scientific topic.
Amen to that! That whole thread about the foot structure and Meldrum, gave me a headache.
Please also note that just because I'm a scientist doesn't mean I can add or spell (cause I can't).
MountainLady
May 16 2006, 07:00 PM
QUOTE(littlefoot @ Mar 13 2006, 12:38 AM)

I have this "Good Ole' Boy" theory. Guess I should post it. You all will tear me apart, but it would be fun in the meantime... :wink: Something for another day...
Martin Hackworth stated his opinions, much like you or I would. That's okay. Some on this board really do have areas of expertise. Some, like me, don't. We're just ordinary people with no pertinent training, saying what we think & have experienced. That's okay! If we aren't here, the board isn't here with all the experience & diversity that we have.
Google him. He has a website. It's easy to figure out which one he is... associated with Idaho State University... Read it. The closest he comes to an area of study/expertise that might further Bigfoot research is in the acoustics area. With his attitidue, I don't think I'd want him to analyze a possible Bigfoot scream I'd taped, simply because he seems to be pretty well all wrapped up in himself & his credentials, and doesn't appear to be impartial & open-minded in the least to even the possibility of cryptos.
Just because a scientist is a scientist, that doesn't mean he or she qualified to speak with authority on every scientific topic. Would you go to a dentist if you had an ingrown toenail? Would you go to an astronomer to ask a question about balancing the pH of your swimming pool? Heck, you might as well go to the waitress at the restaurant where you eat breakfast, & ask how to fix your car's transmission. .. She might have a practical answer!
My point is that just because someone is a member of the established scientific community does not mean that he really knows what he's talking about. There's "science" going on all over the place. Literally. Everything is governed by science. It makes the world go 'round. Scientists all have their areas of expertise. They take an area of interest & really study it. If they do it right, then they become an expert in their field. And that meanstheir field, not someone else's. It appears to me that Professor Hackworth has made a statement about things that are out of the realm of his expertise. So he's just like you or me, he's just stating his opinion.
You hit the nail on the head with that one, LF. :wink:
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