I was part of a group that was in the South Central Cascades recently that had numerous experinces in two days and three nights. On Thursday night something shoved my truck and shook Kelly's van as well as shook the handle to the door of his van. Some time before 4am I heard some wood-knocks that made one of my friends have memories of"aumtomatic fire" that we experinced in Iraq. There were two sets of knocks, and each set had eigth to ten knocks. For some reason I woke up around 4am and had this OVER-WHELMING feeling to not turn around and look to the other side of the truck. My friend that was sleeping on the other side of the truck had his head in his bag. He had the same OVER-WHELMING feeling not to put his head out of his bag, he wanted to, but couldnt, for some reason :new_weirdsmiley: Friday night I heard my first scream, and it scared the *$it out of me. Everyone heard movement around our camp off and on for an hour. Of course that didnt start until after Paul played some recorded vocalizations. Earlier in the day we found what might have been a week or so old left foot print. Saturday was somewhat uneventful, something did walk between the vehicles at 5am. When everyone was awake Paul asked everyone if they had walked between the vehicles at 5am, no one had????? makes u wonder who or what did

The thing that sticks out in my head the most are the wood-knocks and vocalizations. On Friday morning three out of the four heard the wood-knocks, Paul and I heard the vocalizations. What do these mean to Sasquatches??? How do they use these in their everyday lives? Do they have more than one use, are wood-knocks only for hunting or are they an early warning device for when humans are around? What if we could find out what vocalizations are related to, a territory call, mating call or scaring some deer to a"sasquatch ambush"? In my opinon vocalizations have many uses(I am sure we all agree) A new technique to vocalization reports should include if wildlife were seen at the time of screams, were younger sasquatches seen, did someone happen to walk up on a sasquatch eating or drinking? What time were wood-knocks heard, was wildlife in the area, etc...... Just a thought, what do u think???? thanks- jacob

hey nighthunter good evening wow those are definetly very interesting possible sasquatch experances you had in the south central cascades mountains. keep us posted ok. bill

Mr. Green- I will do what I can. I have been in touch with two individuals who have had many experinces in the Gifford Pinchot Ntl. Forest. which is NE of my location, I would like to try and find time for both areas. Fortunately I am part of a group that consists of at least eight individuals. thank u- jacob

First off, it must be proven the wood knocks were actually made by a Sasquatch... then all the conjecture can begin. Until that point what you experienced is only a very interesting night.

How come nobody looked to see what shook the vehicles, walked through camp, made the wood-knocks, and produced the scream?

Do u honestly think that anyone can prove a sasquatch was responsible for wood-knocks without actually SEEING a sasquatch doing them???? Can anyone prove that a print they find was made by a sasquatch??? What about the scream that myself and another person heard?? Or something shoving my vehicle and the other mans vehicle behind mine??? Are all experinces reported questionable???? And why might that be??? What else u got to say????

StacyinMic- ur right, no one did any of the above. Thanks for ur positive critique. I belive this will be the last update of any trip I am part of. :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

Nothing, you answered my question just as expected... thanks.

StacyinMi- snappy comeback :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

Mstrocrft- I know exactly what u mean know. Its like I kept on telling myself not to turn around and look out my window on my canapoy. But, I felt that something was making me not turn around and look out the window. My friend said the same thing...

Did you take pictures or cast the alleged track you found?

Record the wood knocks or vocals?

yes a pic was taken of questionable track, I will post when I get it. No I did not record knocks or scream. The knocks woke me up from sleep and ended before I could record them and the scream happened when I was getting a radio out of Paul's truck. I wish both occurences would have happened when I had a recorder ready but that was not the case, hopefully next time.

Hopefully you will have a recorder ready and running next time. Also next time you will have the huevos to look outside. I also had the same experience a few years ago. I'm still kicking myself for not taking a look outside my window. Now I have no idea of what was in my camp and can make no claims otherwise. May never get another chance but if I do, I believe next time I will take a peak(I hope!).

Sounds like you have a fairly firm perspective on your experiences that evening, Nighthunter. Unfortunately, experiences that lack physical evidence tend to receive more scrutiny than positive reinforcement, especially since it's so easy for someone to be an armchair quarterback. Regardless of preparation, and the expectations of others, sh*t happens, so I hope you got more out of the experience(s) that night than someone who was sitting in front of their computer screen while you were out in the wilderness.

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Here, here!!! :wink:

Was this in a campground or one of those wide spots off the side of the road that sometimes get used by hunters, fishermen and bikers? Just wondering if the odds of them coming in close go up when camping alone or amoungst others. The vocals we heard back in 2001 we were staying at the Tillicum campground to the NE of Skookum Meadow. It happened at around 2:00 AM

May I make a suggestion, nighthunter?

The next time your friends and you do this, set up game-cams to cover the parking/camping site from different directions. This way, the machines can do the looking for you.

Also, try some buckets of apples, or other fruit, left in clear view of the game-cams.

I second the need for some sort of sound recording devices.

I am not disbelieving you, but without some sort of physical evidence, it's just another story. Learn from the mistakes made on this trip and use the experience to plan your next one. Good luck to you and your friends.

No prints? No hair? :popcorn2:

we did put out bait or food, something ate the hot dog left the apples. there were game-cams set up but when we got back into camp(we left camp that night due to the weather and a few of us were freaking out)they were turned off so Kelly could get into his camper. Paul and I were going to stay but I freaked out after I heard my 1st scream. So we just left and didnt turn them back on. As far as recording, I belive that I need to have reorders recording at all times. Yes, we were in a campground. And no there were not any prints or smudge marks but my canapoy was moved on my truck. something did that.. I was not the only one there at this campground, I am not a part of a lie!!!!! There were four soldiers there as well as one prior military, whats so hard to belive that these things happened????? To all the skeptics, I could care less if u belive me. thank u- jacob :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

Why did you have to turn the game cams off so Kelly could get into his camper?




It sounds like after the knocks and screams that you say you heard that you might have let your fear and/or imagination get the best of you. JMO

They were turned off so Kelly wouldnt set them off??? Why else would they be turned off?? Yeah, maybe. But I spoke to Mstrocraft and he had a similar experince. Or maybe I didnt imagine everything and there was a **$king Sasquatch outside of my truck. Or maybe someone can come up with some other excuse for what happened to four other people other than me.

So, it was easier to turn the game cams off so Kelly wouldn't set them off, than get a couple of prints of Kelly climbing into his camper? OK.

Hey, getting the shit scared out of you in the dark is nothing to be ashamed of. It can really do a number on your imagination. Maybe there was a **$king Sasquatch outside your truck. Too bad you didn't/couldn't look outside to be find out. Better luck next time.

Wow. This thread is actually tame compared to the other threads that nighthunter and I contribute to. Kudos to you guys not getting belligerent.
I was there and I witnessed a lot. I also had my van shaken for the second time. I admire you guys and gals with the nerve to want to face whatever is out there in the dark. I, for one, have learned my lesson. I do not plan on doing any more night ops other than driving those roads. I don't see a need anymore for looking for squatch at night. At best, you might lure one in that scares the crap out of you. Or worse, you might lure in a bear or cat. Some of the people with us have seen them at night and haven't come any closer to being able to describe them accurately due to the darkness. The only good way to see them is in the daylight.
These creatures may be mostly nocturnal, but I believe that if you spend enough time in their territory you will possibly see them. If you want to see them at night you become very vulnerable. Maybe vulnerable enough to where it is no longer safe. I don't need statistics. Like I said: the statistics fastly become 100% when it is your turn to dissapear. We cannot safely assume anything about these creatures unless one is willing to bet his life on statistics.
If nighttime is the time to see them I prefer to be in my vehicle. According to reports of class A sightings the statistics show that these creatures are seen in the daytime quite a lot. I admit, I may be making excuses, but I don't have a lot of money to have class III night vision goggles on all the time. And, if I'm going to get scared I don't want it to be in close proximity of any creature at night.
klp ;-)

Okay then...

This occurance still would need to be written down as much as possible, including the exact location, weather, etc.... So that anyone wishing to reproduce this occurance can get photos and other evidence. This would include every person who was there. Perhaps one person saw/heard something that other did not.

I agree, it's one thing to type away about these animals in our homes/offices and it's another to be in a remote place, at night, with them playing their versions of mind games on you.

Was this an actual camp ground, or a clear spot on a logging road?

devious ape- it was a campground.

A low cost answer to recording sounds..a digital voice recorder.
Know what is moving around you..Walker game ears(Digital Quads)..not real low cost but you gotta have them.
Game Finders(www.game-finder.com). low cost heat sensing. If you get a hit on a hot spot..then check it out with your night vision. I have Generation 1+ and they are not bad at all.

All sorts of low cost things to add to the fun you just got to think about it. Use a Dishnet sat. dish for a parabolic dish..it works. You just have to change the focal point for a mic.

Mike(watch1)

Let me chime in hear for a few words.

I had the opportunity to spend a couple of short days with them. They have the desire and passion to take time out of their lives and assist in solving or looking for this elusive biped.

Got to remember that both Kelly and Jacob are new to this search. They, like me jumped right into it. With a bit of seasoning and steak sauce, they could or will do well. They have things to learn, they have things to purchase, and most of all they have questions that need to be answered. Time and experience will dictate if they want to continue with this subject, it's a passion that keeps some us going and if you don't have it, they will know.

I seen alot of us in them, newbies, trying to swim with the experienced folks and we crack the jokes or give them a hard time, but they also need to realize how they come across to you. As I said earlier, time in the field, learning how to look for evidence, being able to communicate, and most of all .... this I learned later, PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.

IN SHort.

Give them time to learn and they will be part of a community trying to solve this mystery.


Thanks to you again Jacob for serving and protecting our freedom. Will always respect you for your service.

Kelly I know it short, but hope I was able to answer your all your questions.

I had a great time meeting everyone there.


mel

I’ve heard a similarly rapid knocking two times in the last year. One just a few weeks ago. I can’t say that it was an animal making the knocks, but both were at odd times. I’ve found no other evidence such as tracks or heard of any recent sightings.

I attached a vocal of a gorilla which I understand is a keep out of my territory warning the noise at the end is chest beating. I thought it may be something to compare what was experienced.

Sound at the end is chest beating.






Sorry I forgot to add "THANKS JACOB and all the other VETS FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE"!!!!!!

Nighthunter - it is easy for people to be skeptical of your report because you provide no proof of anything. You didn't really do a great job of research...but, was your goal to prove the existence of bigfoot? It sometimes seems that alot of people on here immediately assume that everyone here wants to produce evidence if BF's existence. Some of us just want an encounter, and even the best plans go awry in the field. I've been in the dark, in the woods, and planned on what I would do if this or that happened, but it hasn't happened. I had 2 eyes shining at me through a treeline complete with snorting, and I was petrified, and i believe myself to be a fairly brave person. When I shined my light on this creature - it was a cow lying down on the edge of a farm field. I'm pretty sure that I would have reacted very much like you if I had been in your shoes. Also, your report sounds like dozens of others on here - something entered your campsight and spooked everyone - there was typical bigfoot activity, but no one got any proof or a sighting. I've been camping more than a few times and no unknown person has ever done what you described without announcing themself and sticking around. Even pranksters will laugh and bust your chops later. It could have been a person, but if you think it was a bigfoot, I'll take your word for it. I hope that you get another opportunity to see one. I know that having a sighting is on my list of goals in my life. Good luck and keep working! :icon14:

Thank you. :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

I also second Mel.Skahan's post above.

I think you and your friends are onto something here with this camp site location. These particular animals are willing to interact with humans (on their terms, of course), rather than vamoosing into the woods to hide.

I would not get discouraged about this, but plan ahead next time based on what advice you recieve here and from your own experiences.

Again... Good luck to you.

thanks Mel, Devious Ape. Understand all and will apply SOME :new_thumbsupsmileyanim: thanks again- jacob

I hope you enjoy your trips, because if you go you wont have anything to look for other then old bombs, dont beleive the lies, stay here you weirdo. please

Mel,
I learned more from you, besides the respect I had for you before we met, in the short time you took me through the woods and "schooled" me on the finer points of that particular environment than I have in a long time on my own. You took a great and patient approach with us newbies that was greatly appreciated.
We should have braved the activity and made sure the cameras were set. There is a lot that we should have done. This is a learning experience and expertise handed down is golden.
Wish you could have been there from the start of the trip, but understand the circumstances.
You and the great people who visited our camp are welcome anytime. Believe me, I learned a lot thanks to you guys.
Kelly klp ;-)

Your killin' me! Wish you were there Callidus. This won't be the last time. You were missed.
klp ;-)

Yeah i was all ready to go but work interferred. i have tons of equipment and all that stuff out there to use and abuse but i will be there next time. with even more toys to play with.

Thanks again for the plate of pig, NH. It was too dang cold to make an all-nighter out of it without hittin' the cot, you guys give me ring anytime and if I can, I'll be out there. Parnell, no worries bud, we have all been there and I still assure you, you'll be running crazy through the night stealin' beehives from blackbears in no time. Well maybe a bit of stretch, but you smell what I'm steppin' in. And Mel has something to teach even the most seasoned of researchers at any given time....so pay attention Grasshoppas. I always do. Later.

It takes courage to stay in the filed at night when something else is there too. But it takes more courage to post your report knowing that it will get the hell beat out of it. I dont post any field reports for that reason. Even among those who have a common intrest, common respect is as scarce as Bigfoot. For all of those who get out in the field, I salute you. For those who research by way of computer only and observes with trustworthiness, I salute you too. But for the rest of you, I'am in contempt.

The only way to truly learn from one's mistakes is to not make them when confronted with the same situation. Next time you go Jacob let me know a little more in advance and I'll try to be there.

Elder- thanks for the advice. A smaller group is planning a trip in late April. I have spoken to two individuals that have had experinces that are within a 7 mile radius of each other. These two men dont know each other or are aware of the other persons experinces. So, hopefully this is enough notice. I will have more specific dates around the 1st of April. thank u- jacob

Thank you sir. My feelings exactly.
klp ;-)



Cheeseyet,
Thank you. You are welcome in our camp anytime. A lot was learned, including conquering fear. I have no problem spending the night in bigfoot territory and driving there at night is no problem now either. That's a good start for me. It helps to have more than my dogs with me. It really helped having other people there. I'm usually there by myself. No more. The more time spent there the easier it gets.
klp ;-)

How many firearms did you have on your person when the less than peaceful encounter happened??

What were your initial thoughts upon entry into the area and just before retiring to sleep for the night?

Did you jokingly or seriously plan to kill or try to capture one?

These questions may be B.S. to those who don't understand, but extremely important to the incident---IF?? you sincerely seek answers.

It all happened before I arrived.

I do carry a pistol for protection, three folks on that outing knew I had one.
As for what the other folks intentions, I don't know. But mine is: I don't wish to harm or kill one.

mel

What other animals (besides humans) are known to shake campers and vehicles?

This reminds me of a story a couple told me years ago while we were fishing on the Columbia. Their camper was shaken repeatedly while they were camping somewhere in Oregon. They did try to look out but couldn't see anything in the darkness. They were pretty shook up themselves by the experience, even years later.

Teo- there were five fire-arms at the camp. It was cold and windy as hell. And, No, the wind could not have shaken either vehicle. I do not plan on capturing or hurting a sasquatch. I wish to only see one or two in DAYLIGHT(my 1st experince was on a dark as hell forest service road) Film footage would be great. The fire-arms were there for PERSONEL protection, nothing more.

good to hear

I wasn't carrying a firearm. But I plan on throwing sand in it's eye and punching it in the throat. If that doesn't work, I'm going for the fish-hook. If that doesn't work for me....I died doing what I love.

Hello Nighthunter and Mel,
I may or may not receive flack, but here goes insulting Everyone,including myself!

None of "Us" are even close to being a EXPERT. Thousands of researchers world-wide continue to miss the point and continue with the same old--same old tactics and techniques of Kill it to study it and or physical capture to hopefully not kill it, but to poke it--prod it--remove blood,urine,stool,hair sample,teeth bites/molds of, flash bright lites to check vision, probe ear canals, upper body-lower body full touching exam. and YES Genitial's fully examined! And last but most tramatic, the all popular RECTAL exam short strokes or one longgg--one? All this in the first five minutes of Contact and WITH-OUT their express permission to Do-So! Our own Doctors at least give us 20 to 30 minutes to Calm down when visiting them, even after we have known them for YEARS and always ask our permissiom to examine and treat.

On to My Point!

Jane Goodall spent---"YEARS"----developing mutual "TRUST" with beings not even close to having the savy as the Beings that many are seeking have. And I do mean Beings--NOT animals,unless we should refer to ourselves as Animals??( A re-active--savage beast that eats-sleeps-Breeds--eats-sleeps-breeds!) I personally have NEVER seen a beast such as that! All I have seen is the well disiplined order of a Family type unit no matter what the beings may look like? And they Do function well as a cohesive unit within a FAMILY of cohesive Units. Kinda like what us hu-mans had going for ourselves only 50 short years ago! Anyone still remember??? It is"Truly amazing" that ALL of this still exsists yet in The Being community's.
In all the years that Ms. Goodall spent in pursusing ACCEPTANCE into their Home community's, not once did she carry a WEAPON of destruction--Just in case she needed one???? She approached them as PURE as possible with her Heart and her Mind to gain their TRUST and approval to step into their Family unit's! All who try this approach are simply amazed that the concept does truly work with time!-----------------------In ANY Family unit!

For me personally I always TRY to do my best to overcome my FALSE sense of FEAR as to not create more of it when I am in a STRANGERS home as a GUEST.

Just me,
Teo

Teo- Miss Goodall was PAID to do what she did, for YEARS!!! For those of this that do spend time in our woods we use our four day weekends or use some of our vacation days to do this. And we carry fire-arms because there are many diffrent PREDATORS in the woods. If u do not than that is ur mistake, I do and so do the other individuals that I go out with because it is better to have it and not use it than to need it and not have it. Of course this is my opinion....for whatever it is worth.... :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

Goodall was paid in food and shelter... there has been a persistant rumor that she got the job becuase she was an out of marriage daughter.

[Quote: Teo - "In all the years that Ms. Goodall spent in pursusing ACCEPTANCE into their Home community's, not once did she carry a WEAPON of destruction--Just in case she needed one???? She approached them as PURE as possible with her Heart and her Mind to gain their TRUST and approval to step into their Family unit's! All who try this approach are simply amazed that the concept does truly work with time!"]

She was LUCKY ....
Unarmed Wilderness Research is ill-advised & often times FATAL .......
just look at the Treadwell case.

I've got my "Concealed Weapons Permit" & I will be armed in the Wilderness !!!
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Hello Nighthunter and ALL,
Freedom of CHOICE is everyone's RIGHT! The responsibility of those choices rest squarely on those making them. Ms. Goodall as far as I know had a legitimate Mother and Father. As for food?? Bare subsistance was the norm, not a occasional occurence. Housing was the bush or at times a one room clay hut---- not the Hilton Penthouse. As to firearms? I have owned many. .22 cal to .300 Weatherby mags. numerous shotguns-handguns, even bow and arrows. I was a advid hunter/outdoorsman until my contact in 1979. I totally quit hunting in 1983 due to a complete self evaluation of me!
1991 was my Final year in Law-Enforcement, hung up my Badge and Weapon to try and semi-retire to a quieter life style. I still own a .44cal S&W Special and Yes it has punch! 246grain full round nose can and will open a hole the size of a cantelope upon exiting????? My dad started me in the bush when I turned 4 years of age. My first weapon was a Remington .22cal single shot bolt action with the stock cut down to fit my short little arms. I was never allowed a BB gun as my dad thought they were too dangerous and a waste of time. Start right at the git-go with weapon safety and marksmanship, was the way he was trained! And the way he trained me! I was trained that a weapon can and will let you down at the worst possible moment of need. Nature will-not. I have seen fine weapons such as the 92BerettaSP jam on the 2nd round due to tolerences being tooo tight! I have had Ruger 66's(wheel guns)fracture the barrel lock pin and become dangerous after 3-4 rounds and have a 180degree rotation of it's barrel or spin out completely. So I have NO tuti-fruti adversion to a responsible person carrying a weapon in the bush, and using that weapon as a last resort means of correction of a life and death situation. For me that situation(and I am very blessed!) has never arose to date. And I personally doubt it will for me. It is like flying a airplane(been there and done that also)-Think 10 miles ahead for that emergency landing area, and the engine never seems to quit. I personally believe that continuely turning the bull loose in the china shop will spell diaster sooner than one thinks. I also believe these Beings are at least as intelligent as Einstein was,because IF--they were not? We hu-mans would have made then extinct a very long time ago! By our doing and not theirs.

In closing, I wish to Thank ALL for a refreshing conversation of our minds!

Man I Love the smell of SCAT in the morning, and Ammonia for lunch!-LOL-LOL-LOL


Just me,
Teo

Teo- I understand where ur coming from. I am not the individual that"shoots 1st and ask questions later".