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LEGENDS OF THE MIND
Wildlife group claims proof of Bigfoot colony
Says it will release 'scientific evidence' of creatures soon

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Posted: February 19, 2006
9:26 p.m. Eastern



© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Sasquatch fever has struck Malaysia, where an animal-protection group now claims to have "scientific evidence" to prove the existence of the legendary creature known as "Bigfoot."

The Johor Wildlife Protection Society says it has discovered an entire colony of the creature, which it has dubbed "Orang Lenggor" (Lenggor People) in the Johor jungles.


"We will make public the evidence soon," the society's secretary Tay Teng Hwa told Bernama, the Malaysian National News Agency.

He noted a member of his group spent six years studying the creatures and interacted directly with the colony.

"The adult creatures are between 10 and 12 feet tall while their children are six- to seven-footers. Seventy percent of the Orang Lenggor have a human appearance but the rest resemble apes."

He described the creatures as being timid, with black hair on their bodies at young ages, turning brown as they grow older.

"They like to eat fish and fruits they gather in the jungles, including durian. They also have a liking for river water that contains dissolved salt and would walk for miles to get it," Tay added.



He did not disclose the precise location of the purported Bigfoot colony or the type of "scientific evidence" the society possesses, but did say the society decided to reveal its discovery now because foreigners with sophisticated equipment were entering the Johor jungles to track down Bigfoot without the knowledge of the state government.

"We are worried these foreigners might find Bigfoot and then announce to the world as their discovery," he said.

Media from across the world have already made it to Malaysia to try to document the discovery.

The New Straits Times says they include the BBC, a seven-man crew from a U.S.-based firm producing TV documentaries and a cameraman from KBS 2TV in South Korea.

Locals, including Dicky Darwis Abdul Rahman, told the Times some people believe they've even heard the wild call of Bigfoot.

"The workers who regularly go hunting in the nearby jungle know how to differentiate the calls of the various animals in the jungle and they are convinced that the roars were unlike that of any known animal."



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Wow.
I hope that this story is true.
Wow.

It would be great if something big were to come of this, for sure. :icon14:

But already got it covered here and here. :wink:

Wow is right! I am struck by two claims. One, the appearance of them - some looking human-like and some looking ape-like. That is one thing that has been puzzling me for years. I've always wondered if the differences depended on the witness interpretations of the appearance. Two, the claimed height - 10 to 12 feet for adults and 7 to 8 feet for the juveniles. I can't even imagine being able to interact with something 10 to 12 feet tall let alone something 7 to 8 feet tall. Because mostly 7 to 8 feet tall is reported here in the U.S. I find myself wondering what the life span is and if we're seeing mostly younger BF's. Very seldom is 10-12 feet tall reported.

If the claims are true, BF will no longer be a mystery to the world. Even if the mystery is solved - I still think this forum will exist but with something new to talk about. There is a genuine interest in BF. Their traits and ways of living will still be something to keep us talking for years to come. I for one will be very interested in finding out if communication of some kind is possible or not.

I for one will be looking forward to seeing if this report has any merit or not.

The societal implications of the actual documentation of BF's existence are staggering... and I'm not sure that the members of this board are going to like a lot of them.

PROS:
* People won't laugh at you when you say you're a BF researcher.
* These animals will be studied in a systematic way with funding available.
* More people will come forward with reports.

CONS:
* No one will care that you're a BF researcher... well, that you were a BF researcher. Expect a LOT of laws forbidding non-approved Sasquatch research by anyone who isn't a university-degreed biologist with governmental licensure. If you think you'll be allowed into suspected BF areas without a ream of red-tape, you're kidding yourself.

* A nightmare for outdoors use and recreation! Expect a huge battle for land-use rights and outdoors recreation in Congress. Since BF has been reported in most states, expect laws severely restricting outdoor use "until policies can be implemented." This could become a nightmare for rural property owners and even campers and hikers. Any report of a BF sighting in your area could mean confiscation of property or court-ordered cessation of property development... good luck even mowing your lawn.

* Hunting could be restricted in many areas, again, "until policies can be implemented."

* Expect severe laws to be passed on carrying firearms in BF-suspected areas. If you have to defend yourself against one, you won't get a fair trial.

* There will be a flood of reports... only no one will care anymore. The animals will have been proved to exist. Only the scarier stories will be interesting, and many of those faked due to the media exposure.

* Expect a flood of media stories about the gentle-giants-in-the-woods... you know, the peaceable, friendly, delightful, beautiful, sweet-smelling animals in the woods that like to smell sunflowers and think good thoughts. Anybody who says that these animals are potentially dangerous will be shouted down as insensitive bigfootaphobes. Political correctness, along with political expediency, will make sure that the aggressive side of bigfoot is buried.

In short, I'm not sure we want this discovery in the first place.

Have any more Pros/Cons to add?

Ice Cream

In response to IceCream's post...

*Timothy Treadwell wanna-be's will go out to attempt to live with the Sasquatches. And...

*Someone... Somewhere, will insist on intruding on a Bigfoot's personal space. Probably a mother with a child. And, this person will be mauled (or whatever it is that a Bigfoot will do). Shocked sheeple will demand some sort of action.

*Someone will just have to get one for a trophy.

*Some sort of trade will start in poached body parts, like the bear body parts trade in Asia.

*It will be need for some hard decisions by religious and scientific people.

*Perhaps they won't die out from habitat destruction.

*Somehow... Somewhere, a local government and/or a local will find some way to make money off of this.

*Zoo's will want to "collect" examples for live exhibits.

*All of those people who have made such outlandish claims over the years about close proximity cohabitation (no names mentioned) will finally be able to prove it.

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves.

This story sounds hoaky to me. I don't believe it to be honest with you. How many times have we heard bold claims from people that turn out to be hogwash.

These stories always have a common thread "We have proof. Of course, we're not going to show it to you at this time......but we have proof."

Time passes....."We're still not ready to show our proof, but it will come."

It's a load of b.s.

Quote:

One big difference this time is that the claim is coming from a group, the Johor Wildlife Protection Society, rather than from an individual. So I'm not as skeptical of this particular claim as I would normally be.

I did a google search on Johor Wildlife protection society and got nothing. I question wether this society exists. Any one know anything about the Johor Wildlife Protection Society? :popcorn2:

We Americans tend to be a nontrusting sort, and unless it is discovered HERE, it will be business as usual for all of us enthusiasts, until someone proves scientifically that it is here too. Then a lot of the above will apply. Just my opinion of course, no need to jump this one.

New article today from Malaysia -Feb 22

"February 22, 2006 18:47 PM

Bigfoot In Johor Believed To Be From Perak


By Mohd Haikal Isa

JOHOR BAHARU, Feb 22 (Bernama) -- A colony of "Bigfoot" believed to be roaming the jungles of Johor is said to have moved there from the jungles around Gerik in Perak, according to a source.

The source said the colony, now numbering about 40, had originated as a group of 17 and had moved away due to three main reasons -- the skirmishes between soldiers and communist guerrillas in the early 70s, construction of the East-West Highway and the building of a dam.

In its search for a new habitat, the colony had moved southwards and reached Pahang before getting to Johor, the source told Bernama, here Wednesday.

When the colony was first detected in the jungles of Johor in the 70s, there were only 15 members, the source said, adding that two members are believed to have died or got separated from the group and set up their own colonies or groups.

The source said the older members of the Bigfoot then were in their 20s, adding that it was believed that Bigfoot there were now in their 50s to 60s.

Over the years, the source said, their number grew to about 40, made up of three families.

"The 40 comprised adults and young ones, as well as males and females," the source said.

Asked why the Bigfoot did not move northwards to the jungles of southern Thailand, the source said the jungles there were unsuitable for them.

The source also said that there was a possibility that the Bigfoot in the jungles of Johor would seek a new habitat because of logging and development.

Recently, an association called the Johor Wildlife Protection Society claimed that one of its members had conducted a six-year study on the Bigfoot.

The source said the Bigfoot seemed to be a mix of man and ape, with a ratio of 70 per cent and 30 per cent respectively, and easily reached a height of 10 to 12 feet for an adult and six to seven feet for a young one.

The association had also said that the Bigfoot was not totally covered with hair but had a dense growth of hair on several parts of the body.

The main diet of the Bigfoot comprised fish from the rivers and wild fruits.

Lately, Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman confirmed the existence of Bigfoot in the jungles of Johor based on information from the Orang Asli community.

The stories of sightings of Bigfoot by people reported in the local media have encouraged international media organisations to send crew to document evidence of their presence in the jungles of Johor."
-- BERNAMA

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Wow! - the press release states that one member of the group has studied these animals over a span of 6 years. There are some field investigators here in North America who have spent decades of their lives doing research.

I wonder how close that person ever got to these animals? The animals must have been aware of the person's presence and came to regard that particular person to be safe. Some habituation must have occurred for that one person to have a repeat encounter with the same animal or group of animals. Even so, it would still be very difficult for a different individual or a group of investigators to have similar contact with these animals.

And what documentation, be it phonographic, videographic or photographic, was collected by that one investigator? I hope the group has something more than that individual's eyewitness testimony to back up the claims made in the press release.

Whatever is learned about these animals in Malaysia can only help investigators in other parts of the world as they hope to understand the ecological niche and behavior of similar animals in their areas.

Yes they do exist...they are in this unrelated article.
JohorWildlife Protection Society

While I agree completely with everything Ice Cream and Devious Ape wrote, I also need to exercise my skeptical bones here.

I am well aware and experienced in how readily environmental groups will lie. Using a potentially undiscovered animal in a political agenda is to be expected.

That said, I've also suspected that people may well have "discovered" these creatures quite some time back, and have been secretly studying them. The ivory-billed woodpecker situation is a case in point.

If this "Johor Wildlife Protection Society" is lying, one would hope that their lies will kill them as an organization. One would also suspect that if they are lying, they would know that their credibility could be ruined (that hasn't seemed to stop such folks from lying in the past, though).

At this point we are still dealing with humans, and humans lie. We don't know what the truth is regarding these stories.

Time will tell.

My bullshit meter is just going off the scale on this one. :bsflag:

Boy; I hope the evidence turns out to be more that a blobsquatch and some Yak hair!!!!

I agree...Below I posted a link to an Asian investigation team who visited and did an indepth investigation of the area and give very good reasons for concluding that the sightings may be a misidentification of a group of Orangutan previously undetected in the area.

Take the time to read this report.
Malaysia Report

Yep. Up until I read this article I was holding out hope that this would amount to something and spur investigations around the world, but I'm starting to see tell tell signs of BS such as " the colony could be looking to move due to development and logging.'' It seems they are already making a plausible excuss for not finding the colony and somehow their evidence will not be ready for release or simply disappear.
:icon_bang:

[* No one will care that you're a BF researcher... well, that you were a BF researcher. Expect a LOT of laws forbidding non-approved Sasquatch research by anyone who isn't a university-degreed biologist with governmental licensure. If you think you'll be allowed into suspected BF areas without a ream of red-tape, you're kidding yourself.

* A nightmare for outdoors use and recreation! Expect a huge battle for land-use rights and outdoors recreation in Congress. Since BF has been reported in most states, expect laws severely restricting outdoor use "until policies can be implemented." This could become a nightmare for rural property owners and even campers and hikers. Any report of a BF sighting in your area could mean confiscation of property or court-ordered cessation of property development... good luck even mowing your lawn.

* Hunting could be restricted in many areas, again, "until policies can be implemented."

* Expect severe laws to be passed on carrying firearms in BF-suspected areas. If you have to defend yourself against one, you won't get a fair trial.]


......... BINGO !!!

It's true and a bit old. I doubt they will find anything. 10-12 feet is much taller than Bigfoot.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/01/27...t.ap/index.html

Well, we'll all find out the truth when it's announced on "A Current Affair."

hi everyone im sure fox news channel,cnn, inside edtion or other tv news shows will probley cover these malaysia sasquatch encounters stories in time. keep me updated ok. bill

There is another side of this that some have not thought about.

If this turns out to be true think about this: Will people that camp out and hike the trails along with other outdoor activities suddenly stop for fear that they may encounter these creatures.

I have thought about this and what impact it would have on the sell of outdoor gear, parks and outdoor recreation areas, rental fees and all others. The outdoor business is big business in this country and I have often wondered if those in the "know" know about Bigfoot and want to keep the whole thing quite for this very reason. The loss in hunting leases and license fees might be more than you would think. I read one report where one hunting club membership dropped because of "unusual activity". Some that have seen these creatures while hunting ..hunt no more.
If the public realizes that Bigfoot is out there, it is real, and it is just about everywhere..what then?
Will it be no more picnics next to the creek in the really remote locations?
What about the timber industry? I have heard that one timber company employee had a sighting and was told not to say a word about it if he wanted to keep his job. Don't ask ..I'm not telling. Will the timber companies continue to clear cut large areas of land as they do now? How much will it cost to protect Bigfoot and how much will it cost if the whole Bigfoot subject is continued to be seen as a fantasy? If you were in the timber business how would you want it to go?

Just something to think about.

Mike (watch1)

I still don't believe it. Just a hunch that its b.s.

I don't think proof of their existance will keep people away from parks and campgrounds. They go there now even with bears and mountain lions roaming around. I think curiosity overcomes fear and people will flock to these places with their cameras.

I've been thinking about this alot lately - I've been reading the reprint of Patterson's book in the new Chris Murphy edition "The Bigfoot Film Controversy", and I've been struck by the fact that the first reports of Bigfoot that made it to the media in the sixties came from loggers - but sightings by loggers never happen any longer.

Why is that? Loggers are the few humans who regularly spend time in the often isolated and rugged habitat of these creatures - they must be sighting them, but are no longer reporting those sightings. The economic impact of having to set aside habitat for these animals will be devastating to the forest industry, and they're most likely trying to get as much logging done as they can before the public finds out about the reality of this animal.

I know that the ufo community has their theories about disinformation campaigns enacted by the government to shape public opinon about the ridiculousness of ufo reports; has anybody ever applied that same thinking to bigfoot hoaxers? Is it possible that any of the hoaxers who have caused most of the public to percieve bigfoot as fanasy were secretly employed by the forest industry? Wasn't Ray Wallace a logger?

Inversely, why haven't environmental groups latched onto sasquatch as a poster-child for forest conservation? I'd think they'd get far more publicity out of a near-human ape, instead of a just little spotted owl. Have the hoaxers just made the topic so toxic that it would be a huge blow to the enviormentalists credibility to be talking about bigfoot at all?

I'm rather hopeful about these stories coming out of Malaysia. With a culture there that hasn't been biased by decades of hoaxing and disinformation campaigns, and enthusisastic scientific and media groups pursuing the truth, this may finally lead to the discovery of giant hominids sharing our planet. It would be a god-send for the groups working to save the rainforests in that region, and the logging industry may not be organized or savy enough to cover-up the truth as they have on this continent.

-Ray

After the above post I want to add this little bit of info. One of the very first persons to really want to talk to me about Bigfoot was a high up in local timber business. He is now retired but I doubt his ties with the business is. He wanted to go out with us one night and listen with us. I thought about it but somehow my gut feeling was that something was not just right here. I called and talked to him a little and I asked what his interest was in the research. He said that up in the Tennesee mountains they found tracks in the rock on top of a mountain and tracks over on the top of the next mountain. They shot a line from one set to the other and he told me they were only 1 degree out of line. I have never heard of any report of this being found.
I wonder why?
Like you said..these folks are out in the woods day after day and they should be seeing tracks and having sightings more than any of us. I guess it all comes down to the fact that they want to have a job to go back to each day. There is also the fact that they don't want the fellow workers talking about them seeing things and making fun of them.
This reminds me of one story someone told me that happened several years back. One of the timber workers told one of the other workers he had seen a monkey run across the road in front of him one morning going into the area they were cutting. He was just made fun of for a long time after that. If one of the other workers saw one the next week..do you think he would open his mouth about it?..NO WAY!

One day..I hope soon..we will get the answers. Then we shall see what is said and what is done.

Mike (watch1)

Because there aren't any loggers out there anymore.

At least in Alaska there aren't.



Too late. The timber industry is dead and buried.

At least in Alaska it is.



Now you're on to something......



Not if the majority of the donating public don't believe in the existence of sasquatches.



I don't believe it's so much the hoaxers as it's science that has made the topic toxic.

Environmentalism is closely aligned with such entities as the National Geographic Society. They imagine themselves highly educated and elite in the natural sciences.

Believe me, if and when discovery occurs, the environmental industry will be all over this like fleas on a dog, but much, much faster.

Its still big business here in BC, thought not as much as it may have been, which would explain why they might be desperate enough to employ disinformation p.r. tactics to discredit the reality of sasquatch. I wonder if Greg Long is on the timber industry's payroll?



...at the direction of the government and timber industry possibly.



I hope so - it would be great to have some allies with their own public relations people and the backing of idealistic tree-hugging donors.

I'm not usually a conspiracy-nut, but having seen how easily public opinion has been shaped in recent election campaigns, and even by the De Beers diamond cartel to convice the American public that the common, easily mined diamond was still a rare, precious, highly-valued gemstone in a decades-long extremely sucessful p.r. campaign (link), I'm looking at the public's belief that sasquatch is all the result of a few hoaxers with a wide-angle lens.

The timber industry has the most to gain from keeping the existance of sasquatch quiet - along with the local governments in the communities dependent on the logging industry. I would't be surprised at all if they were behind alot of the hoaxers/debunkers over the years - including Gregg Long.

-Ray

The idea that a human communicated with 10-12 foot ape giants fearlessly doesn't even sound believable. I'm into sasquatch as well but I don't buy into just anything I hear. Not even as much as personal memorabilia such as a photo?

One of the biggest problems with America's endangered species act is that is has caused a massive don't ask don't tell policy .Let's say that a farmer or a logger discovers an endangered species on some land that they are working. If faced with the choice of reporting to the EPA that an endangered" spotted chartreuse jumping titmouse " has been spotted on your land and face the loss of your livelihood or shoot the damn thing and bury it in the deep dark woods or on the back fourty, what do you think they're gonna do?
Hopefully said person might realize that a bigfoot could be exploited for financial gain and at least we would get to see one.

P.S. Don't kid yourself for a minute that both of the scenarios that I spoke of have not happened ,a lot.

Prediction- There will be no pictures, no video,no carcass, no scientific evidence of bigfoot from this story.
They will discover a group Orangutan not known to inhabit the area.

This is what they'll find...Click to view attachment

I want to see a link to the actual article before i will start taking a closer look.

OMG, who is that horrible creature with Bigbird?!!!

This group is one person, who brought out this idea of a "colony" 6 years ago and then said he locked it up in a safe until the timing is right.

So this guy has been interacting with this colony for 6 years and is waiting for the timing to be right. I personally think he should wait 4 more months. :icon_bang: He or they must be funded by someone in order to maintain a 6 year effort in the feild so no way they could keep it a secret this long. Another point that bugs me a bit is the colony has grown over the years, more beings = more sightings and because they colonize would they not hunt together and always be out and about together? So why are there not several reports of a few maybe a dozen walking down a path? So many questions that need awnsering and this dude is waiting for the timing to be right. :popcorn2:

Johor has stopped all foriegners from entering the forests without a permit. The locals can get one for a dollar. Go to "Whats New at bigfootencounters.com"

My Mayla is almost not existence. But the words "pissed off" does seem to come in loud and clear. The Malysian Government asked this Singapore Paranormal group not to go ahead with their plans for an expedition. But they did anyhow. Compleat with a western TV film crew. Now that group is "persona non grata" in the area, along with other foreigners.
I am starting to think there might be something to this. After all the government has just cut off jungle tourism, one of the regions big money makers. I can not see Johor State forfiting all the tourism money if they do not think there is something to all this. (of course, what the "something to all this" is, is the big question)

wow for only a dollar??? I'm a local...but dang the plane ticket for me to fly back to malaysia cost $800-$1000!!! so for now I will have to just look for MOMO...anyway I am surprised no one locally has called it 'Kaki Besar' which literally translates to bigfeet....