Any body heard lately? Only been 3 months.
Pegleg

Good question. I just heard the samples are in for testing and a chromosome count is being done right now. Of course they told us the count has been done before. they say 48 chromosomes as if it were proven fact. We just need the proof now. I mean if they can claim 48 chromosomes, then lets see the proof at least. I just hope we dont have to pay $60 to hear more.

I wonder if anything will ever come of this.

Photos of the blood on the ground, splatter , pools, stuff like that. Also a verifiable trackable paper trail would be nice.

This will be either their undoing, or their victory. We shall see one day. I hope its a victory for them, but we all have heard the "I shot" BF stories before. Some of those invlved I respect, some I could care less for. I hope it turns out of course for the better.

Some of these guys claimed to have sighted BF on through a rifle scope on multiple occasions in the past. I wonder why this is the first time a shot was taken? They were seen clearly enough to make the would be shooter(past claims) exclaim that they looked alot like the Cliff crook puddle toys, or vice versa. I mean a view like that would seem a clear enough shot. But I wasnt there so I cant say for sure what I would have done. I wouldnt have fired myself unless it was comming for me.

Hope they have something there though.

SkunkHunter

Just realized I am a Zoobie. Wheres my doob... er nevermind.

Hey im a zoobie too skunk.....i never can remember to stop and count my toes .....by the way whats a zoobie?
peg

Can anyone fill me in on what you are referring to?

I mean the DNA/shooting/BFRO stuff, not the zoobie stuff

They're talking about that crazy "50 Years With Bigfoot" book, misfit... and the "team" that went to investigate the area...

At least, that's what I think they're talking about...

no RB. We are talking about the claim the GCBRO made about shooting a bf {and it got away from them}and sending the blood samples off for DNA testing. It was suppose to have happened about three months ago. No results yet that I have heard of. I have to admitt it does sound like some evidence from Marys book.
Pegleg

Darn! Does that mean I have to go back 3 spaces?

Maybe Evelynn Woodhead gives refunds… I’ll check it out tonight on Roller Derby…

Thanks peg! And as usual msfit… pay no attention to RB… that goofball…

No, but I'm going to dock you 200 posts!

You could build a dock with 200 posts...

WHAT is a woodevelyn sped Cliff Crook puddle doll anyway? Don't tell me they got one of them ones that wets. But it can spell ?

Stream I think that a Cliff Crook puddle toy is referring to the pic he had of a bigfoot down in a pond looking up. I had heard that people said that it was actually a model that he had made. Here is a link to the picture.

Cliff Crook Puddle Toy

Last it was brought up was here As said before the original posting regarding the blood evidence is gone since the "original" HB board was deleted.

Second link to where the HB thread starts this time ,so you don't have to scroll through to find it.

I just made a post to their board. I figured it would be best to go straight to the source. I will keep updates.

Unless of course you want to participate there. I think the only one in that group who has posted here is Randy Hutchings. Good guy from what I can tell, I hope he can give more information.


Skunkhunter

Thanks Leeloo. Familiar with that image.
Yeah, I would like to hear more about this as well.

Wow, thanks for the info.

I must admit I would be more excited if it was BFRO that was making this claim....

So who shot the "bigfoot" and how did they obtain samples?

Aaawwww I's getting all misty eyed....

That pic by Cliff Crook was the very reason I posted my very first post at BFF

No man, their talking about the creature that Monster Hunter (aka Jim Lansdale) shot. Blood samples were taken from the area and sent away to be tested.

I've given up that course of action Skunkhunter.Every repy I've seen there when pressed about the issue is the same.I do find it odd that from what I've seen,if another group or individual had made such a claim that the HB and GCBRO would most likely be on them like stink on ...stinky stuff. just My opinion but you should hold yourself to the same standards (preferably higher) as you hold others when making these sort of claims/statements.

SFS said - "No man, their talking about the creature that Monster Hunter (aka Jim Lansdale) shot."

Actually it wasn't Jim Lansdale that made the shot, it was another individual (and no, I don't recall the name)...And once again, I've yet to hear anyone make an official claim that the chromosone count came back 48...Rick Tullos stated at one point that he was confident that the chromosone count would come back 48 (i.e. primate equivelent), but I've yet to hear anyone say "yes, it came back 48" (this is how information gets muddled in the community and things get blown out of proportion)...

For the record - I wasn't there...I'm only giving You the basic information that many of us recieved that attended the GCBRO BBQ earlier this year (the actual "shooting" occured in January of this year)...The initial DNA results came back "unknown" and the blood came back "primate type A" (i.e. related to either the Chimpanzee family or Orangutan family)...The samples were sent to private labs and are being tested out of Jim Lansdale's own pockets...

That being said, for me personally, I can understand exactly why he's stated he'll release the entire information when all the data has been gathered and all the tests are done...Such information, should it turn out to be as is suspected, could be VERY important...Nothing personal people, but with such possible info could You blame the man for keeping it to himself?...

As Lisa has stated before...Most researchers that have any evidence truely worthwhile, keep it to themselves until the proper time comes for it to be released...

Smart chika that Lis...Respect her more with every passing day, I must confess...

If people don't wish to believe the info Jim has released, hey, no biggie off my back...As for some suggesting that it's a hoax to keep "regular customers" paying their dues, I'd have to sincerely disagree...As the old saying goes, "3 men can keep a secret if two of them are dead"...This is quite relevent, being that there were nearly a dozen or so people at the hunt where this occured, and multiple people sighted the animal in some context (and for the record, not everyone sighted the animal through specialized scopes of some sort or another)...

As for the question that was asked, "where were the samples found?"...One was found nearby the local of the shooting, the other was found in a field where the creature was seen, via scope, to sit down and "rest" for a few moments...

Why wasn't it followed by whomever shot it?...Mainly, I'd guesstimate, because the shooter was 30ft up in a treestand and couldn't get down quickly enough...It wasn't just going to stand there, tap it's foot and say, "*clears it's throat*...Hey, I'm waiting down here...Could'ja get a move on it?"...After being shot, it took off like a bat out of hell (as I believe anyone who's ever been hunting would know most animals tend to do, if not mortally shot the first time)...

Do I, personally, believe Jim and the other various GCBRO members claims of this having occured?...Yes, I do...Why?...I've spoken at length with them at the foresaid BBQ about this information, viewed the area where this occured (as did many others) and experienced evidence of activity on site (while in the company of others)...As of yet, everything claimed by Jim and the others has checked out, whereas a great many others in the last year haven't at all -period- (I'd hope You all can fill in the blank as to those I'm reffering to here)...

Believe me...When people say "wait and see the evidence", I get irked too (pretty badly, I might add)...I suppose I just understand the reasoning behind this and know some of the info enough that this time it doesn't bug me as it does a great many others...But I do, personally, believe the info being obtained will turn out to be very positive for all in the end...

*crosses his fingers*...

Randy ! Thanks for the great reply. It's appreciated and we can all cross our fingers and hope for something significant. That would be awesome. Thanks again for taking the time to post this. Sometimes, the politics seems to get in front of the main goal which is really shared by everyone. Hoping this case turns out significant and sheds more light on the subject thereby highlighting more insight for better future results and acceptance for everyone.
Way to go.

Thanks for your post Randy. I have wanted to make some of those same comments, but it just wasn't my place to and I was waiting on someone involved to make the first comments. Now that you have came here and spoke up Randy, I feel I have some things to add.

I, at this point take the same stand as Randy's quote above and just wanted everyone here to know that. I was at the BBQ and experienced, all in all, some pretty convincing evidence that tells me there are creatures in that area.

Not only that, but my Dad (totally unrelated) has experienced a strange encounter at an oil lease he worked in the same area, that he couldn't explain, and had no idea this area was within only a few miles of the area of the "shooting location" until I told him as much and to be watchful out there working that lease...LOL

It was not a biggie encounter, mind you, just an odd feeling of fear and being watched that he couldn't explain, which was just enough to get my attention because he works those leases by himself all the time and is NOT afraid of the dark in the least. This is a big man who will take off walking down a dirt road at night in the middle of absolutely nowhere by himself with no problem or fear at all. So if he says he feels fear for one reason or another, I pay attention.

So I am pretty convinced there are creatures there. Now did someone shoot one? I don't know, I wasn't there. I am just saying that I am giving it the benefit of the doubt because it is quite possible, but as everyone else, I am anxiously awaiting the news and evidence to be released as well.

Ok, I know, supposed to be on break, but this one I had to comment on.

I wanted to make a short comment. Yes, I was present at the hunt where a creature was shot. Yes, blood and stomach matter was found where the creature was shot. Gen3 nightvision and also Thermal Imaging was used during the hunt. It was with the Thermal Imaging that the creature was spotted as it moved away from the area and also gave us the general location for the second spot where blood was found.

Folks, believe me it happened and I'm just like all of you including Jim Lansdale, waiting for the testing to be finished and a report of the findings presented on paper.

Randy

I am sure it was said to be 48 chromosomes. But since that particular forum was deleted I cannot go back and verify. But it really did sound like it was confidently stated to be 48 chromosomes at the time. A short time after the forum was accidentally deleted or something like that so I cant say for sure and will go on your word for now. Maybe he anticipated the count to be 48 and said it in a way that made some of us think it was claimed as fact. Sometimes we can hear what we want to hear I guess.

Thanks for comming here to clarify.

SkunkHunter

For the record...I'm not "involved" with this information...I wasn't present at the hunt, nor do I expect to be one of the first ones told when said information is released...*chuckles*...My being a member of the orginization that took part in this incident, is about as close as I come to being a part of this whole thing...

This baby is all Jims and those hunters involved at that hunt...I just thought I'd give out the basic info that Jim and others had already discussed, since the topic had been brought up on several forums as of late...

Believe me, I'm just as anxious as everyone else about this...

And hey Fay!...good to see Ya here...

Thanks Randy and Fay for posting your feelings so well

I know that can be hard when faced with suspision...hmmm...suspicion...suspscion .....well, you know critical questioning...

Like I was saying, I am glad you feel comfortable posting here.

Very interesting story and kinda freaky too....

Is the full story on the GCBRO site? I would like to know more....

AAAWWWW, poor wittle bigfoot boo boo booshie wittle bigfoot

And if it wasn't a bigfoot..then what did you shoot ? Could'nt have been a people could it? I've heard that peoples might actually exist...now THATS scary !

Oops, sorry Randy. I meant involved with the GCBRO as a group. Not the actual hunt. I should have made that clear huh?

Well, all things considered I do think that after the MG/JC fiasco, during which Randy was rather "vocal" about sharing his thoughts and findings (much to the benefit of us ALL), the fact that he's positive about THIS incident speaks a lot. I think he'd be one of the last people to have the wool pulled over his eyes now, so at least from my perspective, his support lends more credibility to Lansdale's claims.

But as will all such claims, we'll have to wait and see what happens!

Fay, indulge me...

Stomach matter? Did anyone collect some of that as well?
was any of it identifiable, could be a good way to identify
food sources and thereby set up an observation post.

I'm guessing that a gut shot wasn't intentional here, very
bad shooting, but somewhat understandable with "buck fever"
amplified by the unique situation.

I wondered about that as well. Was it thought to be stomach tissue or the actual stomach contents? Or was it vomit?

Yum, almost time for dinner!

So this is shaping up to be a really great breakthrough. Wish the shot could have been better. Not only because we would have ourselves a corpse but for the sake of the animal which probably suffered terribly. I am pro-kill not pro-wound and let the thing walk around in pain. He/she probably went deep into the woods and died. My question is did anyone try to track it which may have been easier than usual with it leaving a blood trail and being wounded and all. I read in Randy's post it think that it sat and rested in a field?? I would not have stopped following that thing for anything. I would want to know where it was when it bit it. I guess there is the fear of it going home to where the friends and family were and I guess that would not have been good. If you had several armed backups with you this would be more feasable. It sound like there were lots of people there. Maybe someone did follow it, what about it Fay or Randy??

I have just deleted about 4 attemps at writing a post that would not offend the parties involved.
Failed every time.
I will pass on this one, other than to say that as a hunter(NOT of sassy, BTW, as most here know),and a moderatly competent tracker, that if this indeed is a true tale then there has been a monumental tragedy of errors.
IF this case is real, there is no excuse for not retrieving the animal. None.
Guess I better leave it at that. :|

Im with you nightwing.......I think this is one time I best keep my opinion to myself.
peg

From what you hunters are NOT saying, I guess I will just wait and see if anything ever comes of this.....but I am not holding me breath.

Whoa...... hold on a second. I only made the first posting to in some way validate that the event did in fact happen. I understand all your questions following my post, BUT it's not my story to tell. You'll have to ask Jim Lansdale for all the details, as it was his land this took place . Sorry......

Fay
Thanks for coming forward, appreciated. Ditto Randy.
Regarding the circumstances, admittedly sometimes things happen and
with this species, its like a constant.
But inevitably, with this situation or those that are likely to follow, sooner or later the catfish is gonna break the water and land in the boat. Or.. at least break the water. Might be awhile before we can actually haul its ass into the boat.
Them ones that are swimming at the base of them power dams are way too big for that

Randy and Fay, first off I'd just like to let you know that I respect the two of you for your honesty and professionalism.

However, in regards to asking Jim Lansdale anything, thanks but no thanks. I attempted once to ask Lansdale a question about a contradiction he made in two posts on your forum. I asked in a respectable and intelligent manner. I was moderated and told that the post would not be approved because it was too "controversial". When I inquired about the perceived controversial nature of my post, I was then told that I seemed to be "antagonistic" towards Lansdale. Nothing could have been further from the truth. So, IMHO, Lansdale only answers what he's comfortable with and if he's not comfortable then the posts are either not allowed or he goes into a cussing fit.

That being said, I hope the best for ya'll with the results of whatever DNA tests are being performed but I'll just keep reading from the sidelines.

Tried again, failed again, to put my thoughts together in a way as not to come accross as having a go at someone.
Absolutely NOT having a go at Randy or Fay or anyone else here(I fully realise they are simply passing it on as told to them)
I am most certainly NOT a sqatch expert...but I could make some claim to the title when it comes to tracking and recovery of wounded animals, and in that light, something is flat out wrong here.....
I'll go into the why's of it if this gets in depth, otherwise, I'm sticking with Pegleg, and giving this a wide berth....
Investigative Squatchin' is Arkys's arena, anyway
Heck, besides, who knows, maybe I am all wrong, and they did pull it off. We shall see.

Hard not to comment further. But the wait is best so....

I was going to ask this on the Hoaxbusters board as I dont think the GCBRO as an organization has really advertised any of the findings. Unfortunately Net 54 has taken another crap right now so I cant post there this moment.

Fay and Randy, you two are some of the ones I respect most in the GCBRO and your opinion means alot to me. I have to ask though, allthough you were not present at the hunt; were there any photos of the blood splatter, stuff like that? I know you trust your fellow members but so far you are the only two commenting on the event. It seems like the dozen or so who were actually there are being pretty quiet on this one. Other than a relayed story, were you shown anything like photos from the scene?

In other words, was it well documented? As in constant video taping of the event, photographs, audio recordings. A map of the general area and positions of the shooters and given a good idea of the lay of the land and the locations of all involved including locations of the wounded BF and where it was sitting. Etc. All that good research documentation that would accompany an expedition.

I for one would love to hear more and I certainly can seem like a pain in the ass at times but unless those who came forth with this breaking news didnt want to give out details, I think maybe it would have been best to keep under a tight lid as it should be expected folks will get impatient and want more to go on.


We all have been through this before as I know you all have been with that Cliff Crook crap and the Edith Perry garbage, and of course Queen Mary herself. You know that time always passes on and nothing else ever comes up. I am not saying that will happen in this situation but for the rest of the folk who have heard claims before, the claim and the time it takes to prove the claim becomes very vital. Folks can get inpatient as the fear of been there done that comes up as a seed of doubt. no matter who makes the claim.

Please let us know if any of the documentation that I speak of was done. not that I will demand to see it, but just knowing it was done and what was done will make me feel alot better in this affair. As I am sure it will for some others.

SkunkHunter (pain in the ass doubting Thomas of BF research)

I understand everyone's impatience on this matter. I would feel the same if the situation was reversed. You must understand, I was there, I heard the shot, I followed through with everything that took place afterwards, so what I say is not what I've been told but what I lived that VERY LONG night. Yes, everything was well documented in all the ways you mentioned. Everyone in attendance knew exactly where everyone was at all times by radio communications. It was unfortunate we weren't able to retrieve the body. Truthfully speaking, if there hadn't been a slipup, no one would have heard anything about the hunt until we had ALL our documentation and evidence in our hands. I regrettfully bow out of further discussion of this subject, because to continue would be going against a previous agreement I made with someone I respect and trust.

Mmm...

I think Fay said it well enough...

Being that this event is mainly Jim's to tell, I too would like to say one final thing before I bow out of the discussion -

Unknown DNA will not prove these animals exist...Blood Typing will not prove these animals exist...Hair, scat, video and photographs, no matter how much or how clear and crisp, will not prove this animal exists...The -ONLY- way this animal will be proven to exist is either the live capture of one of these creatures or harvesting a specimen's body for study...

I personally believe, after learning of the data that was collected this last January, that the hunters involved in this incident made a tremendous leap towards discovery and validation...But in the end, a body is still needed...

I agree fully with this statement. Unless there were circumstances that have not been made public to explain otherwise, I don't understand how or why the animal was not retrieved. I hope we will soon be informed of whatever it was that happened.

My thoughts exactly.
In brief, here are my "issues" with the story, as posted.
Now, I am again aware of the fact that we are getting it 3rd hand here, so if the details turn out to be different...it would make me question the whole story to be honest, but it may also change my opinion.
As told, we have an animal that was *shot from a tree stand. This usually means a low body exit wound, which allows for a better blood trail than a horizontal wound.
Blood was found at the scene, as well as stomach matter. This means it was paunch shot. That alone means the animal absolutely should have been recovered!! Paunch shot animals are DEAD. They get sick and lie down quickly, and unless immediatly pushed, generaly die in that first bed. Randy implies that the animal was NOT immediatly pushed, dut to it's running off quickly.
At the *initial shot, the animal is claimed to have torn off through the woods(remember this).
Now, after the initial shot, we learn that the animal was *SEEN using both night vision(IR), as well as Thermal Imaging.
This tells us it was seen either two or more times, or for an extended time in one location, or both. Since the claim is made that other people *saw it, I tend to think it was seen at least two more times.
At some point, using thermal imaging, the animal was seen to "rest". And, blood was found at this location.
News flash to the non hunters, this sounds like a very sick, dying animal to a hunter on a paunch trail. This additional sighting also gives us a line of flight, very helpfull to the competent tracker.
So, we have shot, blood and stomach matter, an animal that tears off through the brush(creating an almost ideal initial shot local situation), another sighting, more blood, animal seen lying down, animal seen by multiple witnesses and on more than one insturment, and an established line of travel.
To a hunter, asked to follow up on a shot, I would LOVE to have this easy of a trail to follow!!
Blood in multiple locations tells me it is bleeding freely. That it immediatly tore off through the woods, far from being a hinderance as Randy stated, makes an initial trial job MUCH easier(no blood even needed, just follow the disturbed vegetation or ground). Add in the additional sightings, the fact that it had to lay down in a field, and again, I have to as why this animal was not recovered. Paunch shot animals ARE more diffult to follow, obviously, than immediatly lethal shots, but mainly because they DONT usually have as much to go on as it alleged here.
Usually, little if any blood is found, an almost never is the animal actualy seen, multiple times, during the recovery attempt.
Of course, this is all assuming that it happened as stated.
I didn't write them out, but you can assume that there are plenty of "alleged's" sprinkled through the above post.

Remember, I am just asking some questions here, and laying out why I have to question this, at least as stated.

And as I said earlier, who know, maybe they did shoot one. But if so, they really messed up on the follow up.
Suffice to say, I am really interested in seeing where this goes.
.

Whatever, them's is my take on the sitcheation'., and I suspect from a few other responses, I am not alone here.

You all should realize that you are not going to get any answers from Jim or anyone else.

I feel very confident that Fay, Randy and all the other "paying customers" of the GCBRO have been hoaxed by Jim and a few of his flunkys to keep the "paying customers" hooked enough to pay for another years membership and BBQ and any other events they charge admission to.

The GCBRO is the biggest hoax in the whole Bigfoot world.

Did this "happen" AT the BBQ...??
Seems a bit convenient.
EDIT..
I see that the claimed shooting occured earlier in the year, January.
Strike this post from the record, your honor.

Love it George, ya never leave any doubt on the table about your thougts...good way to be.

Amen on that.

Ok this has been bugging me a bit. Now I cant say what the motivation was behind the statement or the exact wording, but I do remember it being stated 48 chromosomes.

It was on the HB board at about the time Mary and her followers were discussing the possibility of Jans BF being part human (whatever happened to Jan anyway?). I do remember a posting saying that they had the evidence to once and for all end that debate about it being related to humans, and that BFB was an ape with 48 chromosomes. It was certainly stated and claimed that BF was an ape and had 48 chromosomes. It was not eluded to, or hinted at , or guessed at, but it was stated that it was an ape and had 48 chromosomes.
There was a small debate about Mary and Jans part human BF and this came up as being the end all to that debate.

I dont remember if anyone said the results were in so maybe they were having a hopeful guess, but it certainly was stated that BF was an ape and had 48 chromosomes. I dont understand why a claim like that would be made if the results were not in yet. Was it a hopeful guess with much anticipation? I think it even brought up a debate about this proving once and for all it is a flesh and blood animal and not para. But if it was done in anticipation, it should have been kept quiet or stated to show it is believed to come back primate 48 count.

But I am going to stick to my guns, I know what I saw posted and I am sure others remember. It was stated that BF is not human but an ape with 48 chromosomes. I think not only Rick Tullos (I respect very much) stated that
but Jim (Monster Hunter) Landsdale himself also made the claim in the debate about BF and humans being related as "an ape with 48 chromosomes, not human"

I am not saying Randy is lying, I am not saying Rick is lying. Maybe rick and MH anticipated the results on their own personal bias that BF is an ape (I agree there) and Randy did not see the posts.

All this is hard to verify of course because a very short time after this debate, the message board was wiped. And in that I am not saying that is related in any way shape or form. Maybe just bad timing or convinient, depends on your opinion I guess. I am going with bad timing because I like Randy H and Rick T and have never seen anything from them to cause me to doubt them. But I am still skeptical.

SkunkHunter