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tugboatwa
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=181090
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Society Claims To Have Scientific Evidence Of Bigfoot Colony

By Mohd Haikal Isa

JOHOR BAHARU, Feb 18 (Bernama) -- The Johor Wildlife Protection Society said it has "scientific evidence" to prove the existence of Bigfoot whose reported sightings recently in the Johor jungles have excited the world's media.

Not just one Bigfoot but a whole colony of the giant, hairy creatures which the society named "Orang Lenggor" (Lenggor People) as one was spotted in an area by that name, said the society's secretary Tay Teng Hwa.

"We will make public the evidence soon," he said today.

He said a member of the society had studied the creatures for six years and interacted directly with the colony.

"The adult creatures are between 10 and 12 feet tall while their children are 6 to 7 footers. Seventy per cent of the Orang Lenggor have a human appearance but the rest resemble apes," he said.

Tay declined to reveal the location of the Bigfoot colony or the type of "scientific evidence" in the possession of the society.

The claim by the society followed a statement by Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman that he was convinced about the existence of Bigfoot based on information provided by Orang Asli.

Tay said the society decided to reveal its discovery because foreigners armed with sophisticated equipment were entering the Johor jungles to track down Bigfoot without the knowledge of the state government.

"We are worried these foreigners might find Bigfoot and then announce to the world as their discovery," he said.

Relating the background to the society's study of the creatures, he said a member of the society, who was a logger, came across Bigfoot when the creature encroached into the logging company's base camp to look for food.

Since that incident, the member began to study the creatures and went close to their colony.

Tay said the creatures, despite their size and rough appearance, were timid and showed no aggression to humans who approached them.

The "Orang Lenggor" had a covering of black hair on their bodies when they were young but the hair gradually turned brown as they grew older, he said.

"They like to eat fish and fruits they gather in the jungles, including durian. They also have a liking for river water that contains dissolved salt and would walk for miles to get it," he added.

Tay said the society would organise an expedition to the "Orang Lenggor" colony in either March or April.
TimMcmanus
I want to believe.

(Wouldn't it be odd if America's greatest cryptozoological mystery were solved in Malaysia of all places?)
Spiritwalker
I just got this and it's already posted here. Man you people are quick! We'll see. Of course I've already emailed this to my list of less than interested in Sasquatch email friends. I'm sure the ridicule will be arriving shortly. I'm going to put this head banging guy in now. Because I'm fairly certain that will be the end result. :icon_bang:
TimMcmanus
I've always wanted the opportunity--IF sasquatch were proven real--to vengefully mock those high-talking, self-congratulatory asses who, in the past, made light of the whole phenomenon while knowing nothing about it. I'll have to be careful, though. I have this terrible vision of waking up to a newspaper's front-page headline that announces bf's capture, impulsively visiting all manner of message-boards and bragging about it, only to watch the newspaper retract the story the next day as some sort of hoax/mistake/etc.

Whoops! Wouldn't I look stupid then? (Answer: yes.)
Spiritwalker
I'm fearing Tom Biscardi is the one with the scientific evidence that is to be revealed at a later date.
tims
QUOTE(Spiritwalker @ Feb 18 2006, 07:04 PM) *
I'm fearing Tom Biscardi is the one with the scientific evidence that is to be revealed at a later date.


AArrrgghhh! There's that name again. No NO say it ain't so! :icon_bang:

Seriously, this sounds to good to be true. But I will be watching just the same. :popcorn2:
tims
Does anyone else find this article to be significant in that it seems to me as promising or more promising than the ferry boat video that caused such a rukus among the board. Comments anyone?
GloriousKyle
QUOTE(tims @ Feb 19 2006, 07:39 PM) *
Does anyone else find this article to be significant in that it seems to me as promising or more promising than the ferry boat video that caused such a rukus among the board.


I guess so, but the Manitoba footage was pretty hyped, and kept under wraps for quite a while before it was released, and it certainly didn't amount to much...
These latest claims almost sound like they don't actually have the evidence yet, but they expect they'll have it soon.
LAL
QUOTE(TimMcmanus @ Feb 18 2006, 06:10 PM) *
I want to believe.

(Wouldn't it be odd if America's greatest cryptozoological mystery were solved in Malaysia of all places?)


It won't be . It'll turn out to be some other species. Some people won't be satisfied until there's a stuffed Sasquatch in the Hall of North American Mammals at the Museum of Natural History in New York.
Harry55
They say in the story that they are not going back to the discovery site till march or april. I beleive if I had found a colony of Bigfoot I would not leave at all or return as soon as possible to obtain real evidence to prove their existance. Why would you wait? :new_whistle:
TimMcmanus
QUOTE(LAL @ Feb 19 2006, 09:21 PM) *
It won't be . It'll turn out to be some other species. Some people won't be satisfied until there's a stuffed Sasquatch in the Hall of North American Mammals at the Museum of Natural History in New York.


What do you mean by "some other species"?

If the existence of a bipedal, hair-covered protohuman is confirmed in Malaysia (per this article's promise), it would certainly add credence to the notion that something similar lives in the forests of America.

I'm surprised at how little attention this story's received so far. I guess we just know better.
SOFoggy
QUOTE(Spiritwalker @ Feb 18 2006, 05:26 PM) *
I just got this and it's already posted here. Man you people are quick!


Tell me about it! :laugh: I just jumped here from WorldNetDaily (where this story is the leading headline, BTW), knowing this newsflash would already be an off-n-running media thread. :bf:

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We'll see.

Yup. Sure is a BIG, bold claim. :popcorn2:

I can definitely tell ya one thing, though, if this sucker pops up as even the faintest blip on the BS radar, this bunch here is the best ever to point it out and haul it to the mast, etc. :bffrules:

Personally, while I'm really hoping this is the real McCoy that'll get the ball seriously rolling here in the U.S. and elsewhere, I ain't holdin' my breath over it. I mean, if I didn't already know Biscardi was in Illinois,... :dry:


QUOTE(Harry55 @ Feb 19 2006, 09:46 PM) *
They say in the story that they are not going back to the discovery site till march or april. I beleive if I had found a colony of Bigfoot I would not leave at all or return as soon as possible to obtain real evidence to prove their existance. Why would you wait? :new_whistle:

Yeah,...these turkeys need to talk to Dr. Jane.
tugboatwa
Another newspaper in Malaysia picks up the same story... the DAILY EXPRESS
SOFoggy
QUOTE(LAL @ Feb 19 2006, 09:21 PM) *
It won't be . It'll turn out to be some other species.

Another anthropoid species? If indeed so, I would say it could only serve to redouble the search for evidentiary confirmation of the Big Guy's existence here, perhaps with studies finally initiated and funded along the lines of Dr. Jane Goodall and her Gombe Stream chimpanzee research.

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Some people won't be satisfied until there's a stuffed Sasquatch in the Hall of North American Mammals at the Museum of Natural History in New York.

True enough,...but that's only "some", not all, and not necessarily even the majority. Depends most, I think, on the nature and quality of the "evidence" and the credibility of its presenter(s). If Dr. Jane, for example, handed us a video along with a handful of stills, it would likely be valued-n-regarded considerably more than the same from Tom Biscardi. :wink: - Basically what I'm postulating here, I guess, is mainly relativism. - Let's just hope the Malaysian governmental position is as truly scientific and genuine as it portrays itself to be. Like I said before, though,...I ain't holdin' my breath. "Thanks, Biscardi, you sorry, sotted son-of-a-beehive...!" (sigh) :dry:
VAFooter
If this does turn out to be a bunch of nothing, how seriously will it hurt the community? After all, we have had other hoaxes before. By the way, www.worldnetdaily.com has Bigfoot as their daily poll today.
Sam Farris
Well,...this should bring Malaysia an 'unexpected' spike in tourism. :new_whistle:

Kinda' funny it's always 'evidence will be soon presented' with these media blurbs. I think press agents realize that 'soon', though conceptually a quantitive term, ends up being more qualitive in nature.

Time will tell....

Sam
LaurieB2851
QUOTE(VAFooter @ Feb 20 2006, 03:28 PM) *
If this does turn out to be a bunch of nothing, how seriously will it hurt the community? After all, we have had other hoaxes before. By the way, www.worldnetdaily.com has Bigfoot as their daily poll today.



The community has survived a whole lot worse then that. I personally don't plan on putting my total belief in this Malaysia bigfoot until we see the proof. I like that idea that it is possible, but I'll just wait for the proof to come out. If BF is discovered in Malaysia this forum will still be here. Most on this forum have a genuine interest that goes beyond discovery. Many will still want to know things about BF. Maybe some kind of communication can be established, maybe not.
TimMcmanus
QUOTE(Sam Farris @ Feb 20 2006, 04:29 PM) *
Well,...this should bring Malaysia an 'unexpected' spike in tourism. :new_whistle:

Kinda' funny it's always 'evidence will be soon presented' with these media blurbs.


Didn't the article specifically mention the govt. holding back the evidence in order to *avoid* a huge influx of bf-seekers? Reverse psychology, perhaps.

As for media blurbs promising forthcoming evidence, has there ever been an example of a mainstream publication coming out and saying "we have proof now"? This is the first I've ever seen.
LaurieB2851
If a country is hard up for tourism anything is possible. All they'd have to do is look at what is on the internet to see what a draw BF would be in any country - especially if they're claiming they're getting ready to prove it.

I was also going to add that Tom Biscardi is the worst thing to ever happen to BF. If the BF field can survive Tom Biscardi - it can survive anything. :wink:
Melissa
But I think you forget - we have to prove its here in North America... Regardless of what comes out of malaysia, that doesnt stop work here to try and find this animal here.

Just my 2 cents. smile.gif

P.S. No one has proven anything yet.. So far, as far as Im concerned, its all heresay.
TimMcmanus
Doesn't anyone read the posts that come before the new one (s)he's about to make? I can understand if this were a ten page thread, but...

As both Foggy and I wrote already, if a creature of this sort were found in Malaysia, do you think scientists would continue to deny the possibility of bf's existence here in America? Even if they did, a Malaysian bf's discovery would certainly require them to hedge their argument to *some* degree, at least.
tugboatwa
disinfo.com has added the story at their website.
TimMcmanus
I'm going to start calling you TugboatAP. No story escapes your vast radar.
Spiritwalker
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article346940.ece

The unknown world: How I tracked Bigfoot through the Malaysian jungle
Jan McGirk joined a team of paranormal investigators to check out reports of 10ft giant apes in the rainforest near Kota Tinggi. This is what they found...

Published: 22 February 2006
At first glance it might have seemed like nothing. A four-inch impression in the mud of the Malaysian rainforest. On closer inspection, however, it seemed as if it might be the astounding find the expedition had been hoping for. A footprint of the creature known variously as Bigfoot, Sasquatch, the tropical Yeti or - to locals - the Mawas.

Said to grow up to 10- feet tall, with an awesome armspan, a trio of these undiscovered hominids were at the centre of a flurry of unconfirmed sightings by frightened plantation workers three months ago. And in the fading light of the Bukit Lantang woods on the fringe of dense forest in Johor state, a single splayed print appeared to offer the most compelling evidence yet that we were on the trail of the mighty beast.

The Mawas appears to have grabbed for support when it teetered off-balance, because tree branches 11 feet overhead had been damaged, directly above the spot where the animal's left heel had sunk four inches into a muddy puddle. A stick had snapped beneath one of its toe depressions.

A second fresh footprint proved impossible to find but recent damage to a rotting log, located a couple of strides away, suggested it had might have borne a prodigious weight.

For the excitable team of Yeti hunters, mainly a mix of Singapore enthusiasts and volunteers from the capital Kuala Lumpur it was vindication. Even the sceptics, including this reporter, were secretly impressed.

As with the two extremely faded footprints that had been found preserved in fresh tar on a nearby road, this print measured nearly a triple handspan across, roughly 11 by 19 inches. The Australian tracker Tony Burke, part of the Singapore team, estimated that to make such a print, an animal would have to weigh at least 240kg.

"I'm a cynic, but if we could see a right footprint as well, we could at least measure its gait. Maybe if we had some scat, I could be totally convinced," he said. "I am about 50 per cent there. Let's see what the lab results are."

An official government committee of research scientists, appointed by Abdul Ghani Othman, chief minister of Johor state, has been trying to verify Bigfoot's existence since late January, by interviewing witnesses, setting upcamera traps in its likely haunts, and collecting evidence from tribal informants in the national parks.

But our paranormal investigators' search party, tailed by an excitable science-fiction film crew from Los Angeles, was anything but stealthy. Kong Kam Choy, a 40-year-old construction worker who likes to trek through the jungle in his free time, convinced the gaggle of researchers to tramp through a leech-infested grove near a palm plantation where he had come across unusually big tracks that he could not readily identify.

It was just two hours before dusk, thunder was rumbling and the group was disappointed, having made a futile afternoon voyage upriver to examine a set of tracks discovered on 10 January near the Tanjung Sedili creek. These had since been washed away by tropical downpours and overrun by wild boar.

Then we struck gold. Kenny Fong, an e-commerce professor who founded Singapore Paranormal Investigators five years ago, came running when Josh Gates, a sci-fi documentary maker, summoned him to check out the peculiarly large footprint.

Professor Fong considers himself a debunker who is keen to spot a hoax. Using a police crime scene kit designed to preserve footprints for court evidence, he set about the job. A technician required three full bags of plaster (at about 1lb a bag) to fill the huge depression made by the single footprint. The muddy size 20 footprint was doused with hairspray before quick-setting plaster was poured into each crevice.

As the group gawked and cameras whirred, the print took on that unmistakable and almost comically ominous Bigfoot shape - the flat foot with four rounded digits, plus a gorilla-like big toe jutting out from the side. "People say Bigfoot doesn't exist, and I have had my doubts. But what else could it be?" asked Professor Fong, who promptly toppled off a hillock in his excitement to photograph the group in front of the fresh paw print.

According to Vincent Chow, a Malaysian bio-diversity expert, this area of diverse rainforest has been rife with Bigfoot sightings all month. "An elephant has been foraging in those woods for food, so farmers set off explosives to frighten it away from their fields," he said. "But animals get accustomed to these blasts and ignore them. Now we think a Bigfoot family of three may be shadowing the elephant, who clears the way.

"Fourteen large footprints were found nearby on Saturday. Then at 4am, workers were awakened by 10 minutes of weird hooting, a kind of call and response session, while they were asleep at a palm oil plantation." The planter, Abdul Rahman Ahmad, said his terrified workers at Komping Lukut described the eerie night cries as long drawls in three distinct pitches. "They said it sounded like squeals of wild pigs mixed up with the deep barks of gibbons - but not like owls," he recounted. They also heard heavy crashing through the underbrush. Mr Chow speculated that at least three different animals, which the local tribes call Hantu Jarang Gigi, or "snaggle-toothed ghosts", must have been involved in this curious chorus.

Historical records show eight claimed sightings of enormous apemen in southern Malaysia that date back to 1871, and the Orang Asli tribes who inhabit the forest famously dread an encounter with these shy, oversized apes, known variously as Sasquatch in Canada, Yowie in eastern Australia, Bigfoot in the western US or the Yeti in the Himalayas.

The creature is almost ubiquitous and many cultures throughout the world have legends about man-beasts. Recorded sightings in North America date back to the early 1800s. According to some Native American tribes, the Sasquatch are not flesh-and-blood creatures in the first place but spirits which appear to humans in times of crisis. But despite numerous sightings, photos and footprints of often questionable origin, there has never been conclusive proof that these creatures exist. No droppings, no bones, no hair and no bodies found - alive or dead.

So far the same remains true of the Malaysian Mawas.

A photo of the clear new footprints preserved in tar ran in Kuala Lumpur's leading English daily, the New Straits Times, last Sunday. One group of local Bigfoot-stalkers claimed to have unearthed evidence that up to 40 of the reclusive black-furred Mawas hominids were roaming the rainforest feasting on rambutan, durian, mangoes and fish. The animals are said to range all along the dense jungle that connects Endau Rompin, Kota Tinggi and Tanjung Piai districts and are not exclusively vegetarian. Their huge bulk must also be maintained by hunting jungle fowl and mule deer near the swamps.

Some scientists theorise that these enormous Malaysian apes might have descended from Gigantopithecus, a huge primate that roamed southern China more than 300,000 years ago.

Jane Goodall, probably the most distinguished primatologist in academia, is an unabashed Bigfoot enthusiast and recently confessed: "I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. People from very different backgrounds and different parts of the world have described very similar creatures behaving in similar ways and uttering some strikingly similar sounds ... so the existence of hominids of this sort is a very real probability."

In Malaysia, Mawas-mania is building, fuelled partly by television. The plaster cast from Bukit Lantang woods will be presented to government scientists by Syed Abdullah Alattas, a Malaysian celebrity better known as "Uncle", who stars in a popular reality show called Seekers. Every week he tracks down the paranormal on camera, invariably surrounded by a group of female acolytes armed with daggers, who squeal fetchingly whenever they encounter the unknown.

For our trip, the Seekers crew had brought in an array of arcane equipment, including remote control robot cameras, infrared goggles and sound-enhancers, but the fresh footprint was found by chance. During a demonstration of the sound-boosting sensors before we left for the jungle, it was easy to distinguish whether restaurant diners were chewing on breakfast croissants or toast. But, during a 12-hour monitoring period in the forest, no aural trace of the bigfoot was detected.

Lack of evidence is not likely to slow the bandwagon building momentum in Kuala Lumpur though. Cartoons show a giant ape straddling the landmark Petronas Towers and grinning rubber-ape masks are being hawked at traffic lights in the city centre. Despite the growing excitement, there have been no urban sightings of Bigfoot. So far, the only sign of the primates has been found in the southern wilds, usually close to the water.

The Johor National Park director, Hashim Yusof, is sceptical about the existence of giant apes, but will not rule out the possibility. "The Endau-Rompin National Park covers 500 square miles. We only have information on half of the flora and fauna inside it," he admitted. The area lies in roughly the same latitude as Borneo, where thousands of species unknown to science have recently come to light.

Environmentalists are concerned that the craze to market Bigfoot as a peace-loving new-age monster may put the entire rainforest ecology at risk - and indeed some think that the sightings may be linked to environmental changes in the first place.

Hamid Mohd Ali, a frog-catcher from the Orang Asli tribe, claims he came eye to eye with a giant ape, which his people call the "Siamang", late last year. Other locals allege that they saw the giant creature cross the road at twilight or leap down from a river bank.

"We believe that people can only see it once in a lifetime," Hamid told reporters. "But in this year alone, four villagers have seen it [the Bigfoot] and we think this is because of the shrinking jungle."
billgreen2005bigfoot
great update article about the malaysia sasquatch creatures. bill
Spiritwalker
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=181850

Bigfoot In Johor Believed To Be From Perak


By Mohd Haikal Isa

JOHOR BAHARU, Feb 22 (Bernama) -- A colony of "Bigfoot" believed to be roaming the jungles of Johor is said to have moved there from the jungles around Gerik in Perak, according to a source.

The source said the colony, now numbering about 40, had originated as a group of 17 and had moved away due to three main reasons -- the skirmishes between soldiers and communist guerrillas in the early 70s, construction of the East-West Highway and the building of a dam.

In its search for a new habitat, the colony had moved southwards and reached Pahang before getting to Johor, the source told Bernama, here Wednesday.

When the colony was first detected in the jungles of Johor in the 70s, there were only 15 members, the source said, adding that two members are believed to have died or got separated from the group and set up their own colonies or groups.

The source said the older members of the Bigfoot then were in their 20s, adding that it was believed that Bigfoot there were now in their 50s to 60s.

Over the years, the source said, their number grew to about 40, made up of three families.

"The 40 comprised adults and young ones, as well as males and females," the source said.

Asked why the Bigfoot did not move northwards to the jungles of southern Thailand, the source said the jungles there were unsuitable for them.

The source also said that there was a possibility that the Bigfoot in the jungles of Johor would seek a new habitat because of logging and development.

Recently, an association called the Johor Wildlife Protection Society claimed that one of its members had conducted a six-year study on the Bigfoot.

The source said the Bigfoot seemed to be a mix of man and ape, with a ratio of 70 per cent and 30 per cent respectively, and easily reached a height of 10 to 12 feet for an adult and six to seven feet for a young one.

The association had also said that the Bigfoot was not totally covered with hair but had a dense growth of hair on several parts of the body.

The main diet of the Bigfoot comprised fish from the rivers and wild fruits.

Lately, Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman confirmed the existence of Bigfoot in the jungles of Johor based on information from the Orang Asli community.

The stories of sightings of Bigfoot by people reported in the local media have encouraged international media organisations to send crew to document evidence of their presence in the jungles of Johor.

-- BERNAMA
walkingcarpet
Can we please give the Johor :bsflag: a rest?

I mean, here is their "evidence"!

Does it not bother anyone that Johor has no geographical proximity to any historically active area? Does it not give anyone pause that we've heard all of this talk of bigfoot in yet another (somewhat) isolated ecosystem, with no substanstiating evidence whatever? They're interacting with local Malays, but no one has thought to bring along a camera to document this?

I am beyond words... :icon_bang:
CoolFoot
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Recently, an association called the Johor Wildlife Protection Society claimed that one of its members had conducted a six-year study on the Bigfoot.


In 6 years, he never took ONE picture???????????
Huntster
QUOTE(CoolFoot @ Feb 23 2006, 08:25 AM) *
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In 6 years, he never took ONE picture???????????


The article indicated that the organization wanted to keep it a secret, similar to what BFRO is indicating.

The article also indicated that they would be revealing information in the near future, now that hunting activity is occurring.

Time will tell............
billkirbywofb
The one thing that bothers me is in the story where they made a cast of a print - they only used 3 pounds of casting material for a "huge print. Unless there is an error in translation and they were talking about kilograms rather than pounds. Even then it would be a thin cast.

As far as Malaysia not having a history of sighting, neither does some regions in North America until the word finally trickles out to the media. Like here, it all depends on how accepting the locals are of animals in their area.
Spiritwalker
QUOTE(walkingcarpet @ Feb 23 2006, 03:26 AM) *
Can we please give the Johor :bsflag: a rest?

I mean, here is their "evidence"!

Does it not bother anyone that Johor has no geographical proximity to any historically active area? Does it not give anyone pause that we've heard all of this talk of bigfoot in yet another (somewhat) isolated ecosystem, with no substanstiating evidence whatever? They're interacting with local Malays, but no one has thought to bring along a camera to document this?

I am beyond words... :icon_bang:


First of all let me make it clear that I'm very skeptical about this whole Malaysian story. That being said there are some interesting articles surrounding the story. Just because we are discussing them doesn't mean any of us are sold. Is anyone? So there are articles about Sasquatch coming out and you don't want anyone to discuss them here on this Sasquatch forum (For the record I hate the term "Bigfoot"). So, what exactly would you like to talk about? Would you like to talk about music? Frank Black is working on another album. Clap your hands and say yeah is a kick ass new band I just discovered. No? This is a website dedicated to Sasquatch. There isn't much new stuff to discuss really. If we were to only talk about credible evidence I guess all we'd have to talk about is the Patterson footage. Would YOU like to ONLY discuss that footage? Yeah lets make this forum have only one thread about the Patterson footage. This place would be kick ass then. Another thing. What is with starting a new thread for every damn article that comes out about Malaysia? If you see a topic about Malaysia add to it don't start another one. This forum is almost impossible to navigate through because everything is all over the place.
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