If you have had an actual sighting, how certain are you that it was a real Bigfoot? On a scale of 1 to 10, with one being very unsure and ten being that you are absolutely certain and would stake your life on it that it was an authentic, non hoaxed Bigfoot creature.

I saw one and I would score it a nine until I realized that all reports should be treated as false or a misidentification in the first place and not a bigfoot encounter. Additionally, there are absolutely no known standards by which to measure the incident details with and, on top of that, the established scientific community has determined that there is no such thing as sasquatch. Lastly, my encounter was purely anecdotal in nature so there's no way that big black thing walking through the field that I saw could have been a bigfoot.

But, that doesn't stop me from going out in the forest all the time hoping to see another non-sasquatch.

And then they get investigated and are determined by the person doing the investigation as to wether or not they (be it me or someone else) as to wether or not they believe that you did indeed see something. They ask questions, You answer them to the best of your ability. Shoot one and drop it off at the local university and all that will change. For everyone,not just you. Yeah it's anecdotal. So is everyones sighting, so are hair samples, so are tracks casts, so are... everything.. because there is nothing to definatively match it too.

Funny thing about it all being anecdotal is this IMO. No matter ,what science, investigation criteria, or any other methodology is applied.. The entire bigfoot field all started with that one anecdotal report. :wink:
Doesn't stop me either. From attempting to see ******* for certain first one for myself, when that happens though and if I report it at all, I'm not gonna complain about the methods used by anyone in questioning me. I'm simply going to answer thier questions as best I can. They can make up thier own mind then, wether or not they found what I said credible.


And to answer the original question. I give myself a 1 using that scale.

It would be interesting to see peoples' answers as a poll... can that be added?

Five

Skeptics love to use the "misidentified animal" theory to make us all believe we saw something we really didn't, or something someone else saw. (Since I have not seen a Bigfoot I can't include me in all of the "make us all believe" category. Although I think I heard one once...?)

Certainly, some sightings are mistaken identity of other animals, others are hoaxes. But, to assume that the average human, particularly a person who is familiar with the wilds of North America and its animal population, doesn't have the cognitive ability to tell the difference between an unknown species of ape, and another North American mammal is selling them short. I watched a professor from Stetson University imply that sightings were misidentifications. He had a very nice tan, and was dressed very well, but I doubt he had spent much time roaming through the wilds of this continent. He, I believe, made assumptions. Maybe some of you remember this fellow on a Travel Channel special on Bigfoot.

I have spent some time (more than some, less than others) in the wilderness. I have seen wolves, coyote, black bear, mountain lion, a grizzly bear, many elk, moose and deer, badgers, eagles, osprey, sandhill cranes, hawks, bass, trout, pike, crappie, blue gill, carp, salmon. In the Caribbean area I saw manitee (Florida), alligators, tuna, barracuda and sting rays. I have seen whales in the Pacific and a dead seal on a beach at Patricks Point, California that had about a 3'x3' bite taken out of it... I never mistook and of them for a Bigfoot. And for those of you who have seen both a Bigfoot and a black or grizzly bear, I imagine you can vouch that there isn't much similarity between the two species...standing or otherwise...

This doesn't mean that people haven't made mistakes, probably most mistakes being made at night, in the dark. But...

I think the misidentification issue is less of a factor than skeptics would like us to believe.

Jon

For my sighting.....a solid 10. It was from a ways away through my binoculars, probably 200 yards. However, We dont have ANYTHING here in TX that is THAT big. Plus i watched the 2 of them for nearly 6 minutes or so. Also the way the moved...fluid and graceful.People in costume DONT move like that. Also, none of my neighbors out here would pull such and act.

Three

An absolute TEN !!

I have had 10 that was the one I saw that was at 700-800ft from me through my kitchen window when I was 15 that was 10 years. A 6 back when I was kid not more than 8 yrs old keep in mind I'm knocking 4 points off because of the lenght of time ago and my age. And -1 5 years because I'm 99% sure that thing that was lurking shadow that I couldn't really make out was my psycho ex nieghbor but it was night and all I'm really sure is it was Bipedal figure and rather short and ran when my barked at it.

Califb what number on the scale would you assign your own incident?

I have never seen a Bigfoot and this is directed toward those who have (or think they have). Although it's possible that I may have seen one or two and thought they were bears... :new_whistle:

:new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

I hear ya! Sometimes it seems like the only ones who "think" they know what they're talking about are the skeptics and the romantics. Both groups seem to ignore and write of most witnesses as either, "just a story", "they think they saw" or "mis-identified".

Well, I KNOW what I saw. I also KNOW that it's not a proven animal. When it is proved to exist, what I saw will probably be called a bigfoot. I KNOW what it was not and that eliminates most known creatures in the forest (of it's size) in most of the eastern half of the USA.

If anyone "thinks" they know what I saw, please inform me. It was 7 feet tall, covered in grayish black hair, looked and walked similar to a man and had a bad case of ass mange. :new_weirdsmiley:

I give my encounter a big, fat TEN!!!

Forgive me for singling you out, you just happen to be the last one to respond. If i were really trying to investigate a sighting, these are just a few (off the top of my head) of the questions i would ask. No need to answer any of them, i wouldn't even feel comfortable truly asking any one any of these questions. I'd even understand why one might take offense to them. Im just pointing out how pathetic the actual investigations are, because most of these questions never get discussed--no one likes to make a sincere witness feel like they're being attacked. And im just going off the very brief facts you mention. If i were doing it for real, i'd have 10X as many and experts to help me out.

1) where is the exact location of the sighting? I would follow this up with an extensive survey of the area, especially to determine the human density of the region--nearest roads,towns,houses,population (human,livestock,bear etc) Plus, an extensive review of previous sightings in that area.
2) what was the exact time of the sighting? what were the exact weather conditions (would verify this using weather service data)
3) what were the exact circumstances? what were you doing in that area and at that time? were you with anyone? if not, when was the last time you were and with whom?
4) what possesions did you have with you (camera etc)? what were you wearing?
5) You say eliminates "most" known creatures. If i asked you to clarify, you would probably respond..."i meant ALL except Bigfoot" So, i wouldn't ask. The damage to your credibility is already done. If you had meant "ALL" you would have said it. Your answer, to an investigator, indicates doubt (whether subconcious or concious).
6) You were very specific with the height. What was this based on? How far were you from the animal? How do you know how far you were from the animal? Were you able to make other estimation of its size (girth, arm length etc) Obviously i'd want to obtain as good an artist's recreation of the animal you saw as i could get--so id get both you and an artist to make me one, with something for size reference thrown in for good measure! I'd want to get all the specifics i could--since you mention it looked like a man i'd want to know what that statement is based on--eg, did you see eyes? ears? nostrils? breasts? etc etc.
7) What are your credentials to evaluate "how a human walks" Are you a specialist in human anatomy?
How many gorilla or any other sort of costumes do you have personal experience with? Know any costume designers? Do you have special effects expertise?
8) How long was the encounter, what was the animal doing, where did it go? What did you do immediately thereafter? WHo did you first metion the sighting to and when?
9) Any physical signs left behind? (prints, hair etc)
10) Here's where it gets a bit more personal. I wouldn't take your word on any of your responses, i'd do a full private investigation to confirm what i could.
a) Did you believe in Bigfoot prior to the sighting? To what extent and based on what experiences?
What is your opinion on other "paranormal" phenomena? Do you believe in UFOs for example, have you ever seen a UFO? How about crop circles, psychics, mediums, remote viewing etc etc.
c) What is your wilderness experience--how much outdoor skills, time spent camping, backpacking, hunting etc. Amount of experience with wildlife, number of bear encounters, number and type of other encounters with large mammals.
d) Do you drink? How often and how many? Drugs? (perscription and non-perscription) Medical History?
(stress disorders, or anything abnormal)
e) What is your legal/personal history? (relationships, criminal/civil cases, family history)

The followups to this short list would be three times longer!
Note: i don't "think i know" what you saw. If i were investigating, i'd WANT to know what you saw. If i had no respect for you or your story i'd write the typical "The witness was credible...he had no reason to lie" crap that you see in the bfro reports. That's why i'd ask the tough questions.

To follow up on my own pre-investigation, here's some of the reasons i'd have major problems with your sighting :
1) You say you were "heavily influenced" by the Boggy Creek movie as a child
2) You've had a long time interest in UFOs and the paranormal.
3) In your own report, you say "I BELIEVE it was a Bigfoot" Now, you say, I KNOW.
4) In your report, you say "It APPEARED 7 feet tall" Now, it IS 7 feet tall.
5) You were driving at 75 mph, and it was "very dark" around midnight.
6) The cretaure was seen in illuminated headlights (weve all seen the Redwoods video!)
7) It's "back" was to you. So no way to see features.
8) It looked gray (now its gray-black)
Most of this is picky, but not your childhood experiences--they're crucial because they PRECONDITION you. People see what they want to believe. A rock will look like a face on Mars. A potato chip will look like the Virgin Mary. Most importantly, the conditions of your report are highly prone to misidentification--any investigator would tell you that.

I believe you have me confused with someone else.

If so, sorry...im just going by a report on the website you claim as your homepage on your profile.

Feel free to rip into my report with everything you have, but make sure it's MY report your ripping me about.

http://www.texasbigfoot.com/Tyler3.html

An easier route may be to look at the top of this sub-forum. Notice "Members Encounters". Check out WooleyBoogers'. That's me!

Notice there is no mention of "boogey creek", ufos or 75miles an hour.

And I have never said the words,"I believe in bigfoot", before or after my encounter.

Okaay. :new_tiredsmiley:

WooleyBooger was MY witness.

I thoroughly interviewed him, as I do ALL of my witnesses. I know the area like I know the back of my hand, have had my own experiences not far from there, as have others whom I know well.

Not that I need to explain anything to you, Axeman, but actually your list of questions is quite short compared to mine.

Besides, you don't even have the right report with this witness. What were you saying about attention to detail?

Seeee. That's what I've been sayin'! :new_whistle:

I for one have decided ,since joining this forum, not to report any more of the evidence I find. I certainly will not post a sighting. I feel that I will have a sighting. I spend a lot of time researching our big friend in the county of Skamania, WA. This county has the most reported activity in the US. In the year and a half since scouting this area, I have had much in the way of evidence. All except the actual sighting. This is because most of the actual physical contact with this creature here seems to happen at night. But, if enough time is spent romping around these woods I'll see the creature unless I happen to be as unlucky as Rene.
When and if I actually do see this creature, it will be like attaining a Master's degree. Personal satisfaction only.
klp ;-)

You've found some? Where is it? Thanks. Considering you can't even get the stump description right, I suspect thats a good move on your part. So have alot of other people, more time than you've ever imagined I would guess, but then there qualification for having a sighting included having an actual sighting and not a one that was a stump. Got the numbers to back that up? What is this evidence again? Physical contact? From everything I've read and heard about Rene' from people he knew him he woulda torn you a new one over what you call evidence. I thought you felt you were gonna see one? Now its "if" ?

:new_rolleyes:

Shouldn't you be waiting on a call from the zoo? :new_whistle:

Shouldn't you concentrate on having a better zoo in your state?

Speaking of Zoo's
ever hear of the
BFF Zoo in KOKO RANCHERO FLATS ??

I can't help it if you claim someone else's (Craig's) website as your own! "Homepage" generally refers to your own page. But that's ok if you want to list someone else's site, I apologize for the mistake.
As for your sighting, it was pretty impressive, and one of the better i've seen.
I do have some reservations:
1) the weather conditions were not great; it was close to raining (so had to be overcast) and "late afternoon in October" (so had to be close to dark)
2) You estimate 7 feet tall but no basis for the estimate. From 50+ feet away, people are pretty lousy at making those sort of estimates without a very clear reference point (like the top of a fence of known height)
3) You couldn't see the front of the animal. This makes hoax or misidentification more likely.
4) Your behavior striked me as a bit odd: you follow a huge animal from within 50 feet, then you suddenly bolt when you hear a "snap" from 200 feet off.
5) Obviously i'd want to know exactly what you had been doing that day, how much sleep you got etc.
6) With all that pushing through heavy brush/trees, you'd think there might be at least one hair left behind.
Hope someone checked for that--i would have been over every square inch with a fine toothed comb!
7) Your sketch is, interestingly, a lot less humanoid looking than most. (not that that means it's innacurate)
the head blends into the body and the amount of hair and size of hands etc make it look like everything blends together. If you cut off the legs (which would be closest to any ground cover), it would look to me like an inanimate object (like the hay bail you mentioned) I know inanimate objects don't move, but you also mention the object made no sound. I find it a bit curious.
8) The location is troubling to me, personally. Yes, i know all about the history of Bigfoot in Texas, but to be honest i just have real issues with a sighting when there is so much civilization around ("boat ramps, camp house, RR crossing (even if old), cow pasture") Not that it makes it impossible, just harder to swallow.
9) If you haven't said "You believe" in Bigfoot since the sighting, i wonder why you would stake your life on the sighting (by rating it a 10)
But a great sighting, definitely up close and long enough for a decent look! Thanks for the info-S

All 10's.......except for the 2 reported in Cochise's unsure sightings...............

There is absolutely no way any of my for sure sightings were of bears, kangeroos or even escaped chimps, gorillas, or demented Indians............and..........the vast majority of sightees, whom i have interviewed, say " it wasn't a bear....definitely not a bear".....

Until we have a body, i guess i'll just have to be content in knowing that what i saw ...i saw...with my own 2 eyes.........and if some don't believe that.....well, i never set out to convince the disbelievers anyway..........

Personally, even if i had a lengthy intimate dinner with Bigfoot, i might end up "believing" but i would never rate it a "10". The human mind is way too susceptible to confusion and deception--ask any magician. Why lose your life over it?
You may never have sought to "convince the disbelievers", but consider this: that would really be a noble thing to do. After all, if there were convincing evidence it would be the biggest discovery of our lifetimes--it would be huge. I certainly can't and won't speak for others, but if i were personally convinced that i saw Bigfoot, i'd probably spend the rest of my life trying to do what you shrug off. To each his own-Axe

axeman, you sound like you've got some definite issues over losing your life to (over) this. Care to explain what you mean by that statement?

Why would it be the really noble thing to try and convice the disbelievers that you saw a bigfoot? I don't give a rat's patootie about being noble. People who have seen one or more of these animals could talk until boar hogs produce goat's milk and it's not going to convince the masses. I can think of a lot better ways to spend the rest of my life.

JMO

Yeah but as time spent goes , IMO this is a lot more interesting than Nascar. :laugh:

I would say somwewhere in the approximate range of 9.9-10. Could not be a whole lot more certain that what I saw could not be hoaxed. Unfortunately, I cannot say that I have never in my life been fooled.
BSF

True dat! :laugh:

As hobbies/passions go, there are probably more noble pursuits than looking for bigfoot but I can't think of many that are more exciting or interesting. JMO

More interesting the NASCAR? Hmmmm, gotta think about that one. I will say when Earnhardt, Sr. was killed five years ago it doesn't hold the same interest for me that it used to. I've chosen Michael Waltrip as one of my favorites now. You miss out on a lot of laughs with those drivers (they can be so completely funny - especially Mikey Waltrip) and all those wipe-outs during the race. At least with NASCAR you can do other things at the same time including posting on this forum.







Emphasis on the above post is "mine." If I ever have an opportunity to have an actual sighting I plan on being ready enough for it to "really" have a sighting (if BF sticks around long enough) and take in everything. If I end up being unsure it will only be because I didn't have long enough to determine what I was actually looking at and I will say right out that I'm not sure of what I saw. But if I've had enough time to take it all in - I trust my mind fully 100% on being able to process the information exactly as it was, especially if I've prepared myself for it (as much as someone can prepare onself). I can't imagine not being able to trust my own mind. That just doesn't happen with me.

Guess you didnt read all of this topic--the whole point was that apparently many are willing to "stake their life" on the veracity of the sighting by rating it a "10" (see first post by Califb) I'm suggesting no one should be so sure of themselves--that's a sure-fire way of getting screwed in life. At least bigstinkyfoot is willing to come down to 9.9 because he realizes he's human!
As for my "noble" remark...that's just my opinion, but i really do think it's a bigger pursuit than just having fun mucking around in some swamp or forest. 'Discovering' bigfoot would revolutionize a lot of fields. If you don't give a rat's butt...that's your perogative--i aint forcin' it on you. But, I wasn't talking about "talking" to skeptics (like me), i was talking about ACTING! Like organizing a real search. Yes, it takes a ton of money--what doesn't?? Any fool should realize though that pulling in a Bigfoot, dead or alive, would be worth a thousand time return on the initial investment. Which begs the question: why has no one been able to convince someone or corporation to do such a search?? We've all heard the stories of some prominent names in the Bigfoot community who have tried that route, or who on the verge of ending up like the guys whose names are routinely mocked on this forum. They're mocked basically cause they don't bring home the beef/bacon/bigfoot. If there were real solid evidence out there, it wouldn't be too hard to get funding. So...find the stinkin' evidence!! You know what id do if i saw bigfoot in Tyler county, surounded by highway on every side 5 miles around? I'd mortgage my property and hire ten thousand illegal immigrants (paying minimum wage, of course), to link arms and trudge through the woods until they've got Biggie captured. Then i'd retire in the Bahamas! Well, Ok im exagerating, but i think you get my gyst, No?

That's exactly the attitude that i'm describing. I'm not going to deny you your right to feel that way, but i do humbly disagree. Since you've apparently never had your senses fool you, I wonder how much knowlege you have of human psychology. You could start with the subject of hypnosis and the overwhelming power of self-suggestion. Then, there's a whole forum discussion right here (sorry, no time to search for it) about the phenomena of repressed memories and how memory can radically change from reality. Or, if you really need convincing, at least you could go listen to some 60's tunes and try some chemical experimentation! :new_lmaosmiley:
Magic tricks are a classic example--if you didnt know that when D Blaine makes something disappear or if C Angel levitates he's just using some trick--you would be 100% convinced that what you saw was real. So would I. That's just human nature, we trust what we see and hear and smell. And sometimes, we're just plain wrong.

Homepage. Hmmm.... Well y'all gotta forgive us ol' country bubbas. We ain't got no good 'puter eddiecut. I did not realize by listing the TBRC as my homepage on my profile I was claiming ownership to Mr. Woolheaters' organization and/or website. I believe if anyone here thought that I was claiming the TBRC as my own, that they surely would have called me on it by now. If I have broken the forum rules or offended Craig in anyway, I apologize and I'll remove the link today. If not, then please don't yank my chain about trivial BS.

1. It was not overcast. There was a coldfront approaching and in East Texas that means moisture flowing up from the Gulf. The sun was popping in and out all day and there were a few sprinkles, but no real rain until later that night.
It was not dark. I had to walk a mile back to the truck and it's a 45min. drive out of the bottom. By the time I reached the main road, the sun had been down about ten minutes.

2. SOME people are not good at at guessing height. I'm not one of them. I'm 6' 2" tall and weigh 235 lbs. I am used to being the biggest and tallest guy in the room. I'm extremely intimidated by people taller than me. It was at least a head taller than me. I stick by my ESTIMATE of 7 ft.

3. True, I didn't see the front. But I saw it's ass. I saw how it had some kind of hair loss on it's ass. Maybe that's just the way they're made. I don't know. I saw the muscles rolling on the bone and skin jiggle when it stepped down. I saw how it's hair on its arm flowed in the stiff breeze that was steadily blowing.

4. For an "investigator", you sure seem to miss a lot of the information at hand. I will say, if I would have seen this animal (at first) as clearly as I did those last 10 seconds, there's no way in HELL I would have followed it.

5.Well let's see. I got up at 6am (like everyday) got dressed,pissed, got the kids off to school, had breakfast, fed the critters, went to the feed store, stopped and filled dear feeder near my house, had lunch, watched CNN awhile, left to go to fill river camp feeders, stopped and tried to get my hunting pardner to come along, but he couldn't leave work, went to the camp. The rest is in the report.

6. I doubt if a bucket full of hair would mean anything to you or anyone else.

7. It made no sound I could hear. The wind was blowing steady. The leaves are still on the trees here in Oct. A cow can walk by you on a day like that (in the bottom) and you won't hear it.

8.You may know Texas history, but you know little of the terrain. There are vast amounts of land here for these animals to roam. Civilization? The old railroad crossing is an area, not an object. There's been no trains,tracks or bridge here for 90 years. There are hundreds of camp houses up and down the Neches River. Most are abandoned for 8-9 months of the year, and most of those are only used on weekends/holidays. The boatramp in question is private. There is no public access. Boat are launched from that ramp maybe 5 times a year. I know, I'm one of the few that have permission to use it. Tell ya what. Come on down here and I'll drop you off down there. You can walk back out. We'll see how civilized it really is.

9. I was taught as a kid that bigfoot was not real. Any people who thought it was real, were considered crazy. In 4 decades of living in the outdoors,never did I "believe" an animal like this could exist without being discovered. To "believe" means you have faith the animal exist, without having to see it. I never saw a bobcat until I was in my thirties. I "believed" they existed because hundreds of people have killed them and took some good pictures. Also some scientist said they exist, and so did my Dad. When I finally saw one, I ceased to "believe" they exist, because I now know it to be a FACT. It was a bobcat. When I saw bigfoot in 1999, I knew for a FACT it was the real deal. I don't "believe" it was a bigfoot. It was a bigfoot.

Let me put it to you this way, I am perfectly capable of telling when my mind is playing tricks on me and that has been seldom. Further, I would put myself through a whole lot more questions then you could ever dream of. Most people can do that. If I were to go strictly by what you're saying here and apply it to my everyday life, I would go through life a bumbling idiot never sure of anything I've seen, said or done. While I am sure there are special instances where the mind can fool a person, many more times then not - it does not. There are plenty of people out there who can tell the difference and will figure that out long before anyone like you comes along and asks the questions. When it gets to the point where you are the skeptic asking the questions - believing or not is basically your problem - not the person's of whom you are questioning. You cannot possibly come up with a host of questions to satisfy your doubt; it's just not possible. I'm afraid if you thought I was going to sit still long enough for you to ask all the questions you listed you would be sadly disappointed. After a time I would simply tell you that I don't have that kind of time to spend with you over something I've seen. With me, if you don't believe what I've said - your problem, not mine. I would answer your questions to a point that is reasonable and that's it. It might make me a difficult witness, but again - not my problem.

Edited to add: I don't require yours or anyone's validation.

I guess "self-suggestion" creates footprint impressions and what about the reports that are witnessed by more than one credible witness??

Sure, there are reports that just do not relay any accuracy or credibility and there are cases of mistaken identity but by grouping all reports as some form of dillusion is an insult to witnesses who "know what they saw''.

Great post! I forgot to mention all that!

Say what??

I'm sure the good folks of Woodville, Texas (pop. 2400, saaalute!!), the largest town in Tyler County will be real proud to hear that Axeman on the Bigfoot Forums considers them to be surrounded by "so much civilization." The next largest town in Tyler County, just up the road a piece from Woodville would be, uh, that Gotham City-of-a-place Colmesneil, Texas (pop. approx. 650, saaaalute!!).

I have to say, I've heard East Texas described a lot of ways, but never as a place where "there is so much civilization." :laugh:

There's only 21,000 people in the entire freaking county! Tyler County's a fairly good-sized county, as Texas counties go; it's spread out over 923 square miles, or roughly 600,000 acres, and is made up of not a whole lot more than a few bustling metropolises a little smaller than Woodville; it also has a few one-dog towns; and about 550,000 acres of dense pine-hardwood forest.

For pete's sake, Axeman, do the research.

WoolyBooger, great post further explaining your sighting experience. But, now let's get it right so some of these people won't question you about it again.



Now, you know that you pissed BEFORE you got dressed...



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:new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

:laugh: I'd rate my 'not sure' sighting, a 5. Def. not a bear, but could have been a large guy in a speed skating suit, maybe jogging, looked like they might have just pinched one off in the woods. IMHO. I hope after all these years, I will someday have a sighting worthy of betting my life on. But I would almost bet it on all the other evidence. I'm convinced they exist, and like some others have said, I'm not really out to prove it. Being this is a forum and not an investigative websight, I'd probably mention a sighting or evidence here. But I don't think I would report it anywhere else. I realise some of the data is useful to others, but who and for what purpose? Again JMO. mesabe

Jay, I'm a country boy and I live in the woods. You know how southern rural males love to cristen the morning. If I didn't get dressed first, I might be shot for a bigfoot (coffee cup and all) on site. Or worse, badly photographed. I would hate to be the topic of another "blobsquatch" debate!

Hi WolleyBooger!

I read your sightings report - pretty neat. One thing I always like to take note of is the appearance of the face. Did you ever see the face of the critter during your sighting?

Edited to add: Ooooops! I read again and you never did see its face, right?

I hear ya! :laugh:

:new_whistle:

I stand by what i said, and i am familiar with the area personally since i have spent much time in Texas. It's all relative of course, compared to N Canada the stats you mention might as well be Manhatten. I'm just pointing out what 99.9% of the scientists i know believe: that there's no way in creation an 8 ft tall ape is gonna get by undetected (in terms of a body, of course) in a county with that population and infrastructure. 21,000 is a ton of people. A Bigfoot, even if nomadic, is still going to need a breeding population to live, ergo more than one. I'm not going to convince you of anything, i know that, that's why i made it clear that "personally" i feel that way. It's my OPINION. And until someone produces a body, my opinion will be the accepted one. Feel free to disagree, but don't go accusing me of being slack in research. That's just being p**sed off because you disagree with me. That's fine, this forum is (in)famous for personal attacks and people being accused of all sorts of nonsense. I fully expected it.

Fair enough, i do understand where you are coming from. What you say is completely true for the most part, but im not talking about the "most part". I AM talking about the special cases. Bigfoot sightings, while many, are still very rare. I'm not suggesting people hallucinate or misidentify on a daily basis, just that some do sometimes. And that completely ignores the issue of hoaxes, since you can completely be convinced of what you see, and it can still be a hoax, just a very well done hoax. I will completely agree with you that there are not enough questions to satisfy my doubt--cause i feel both the investigator and the witness ought to be skeptical. I don't really think it's about "proving" Bigfoot exists: it's more a matter of seperating the good reports from the not-so-good, by very critically examining the facts. That way, one can focus on the BEST aspects of the reports and not the silly outrageous ones. By doing that, hopefully we can all get to the truth of the matter. For example, if you had 50 lame sightings in one county and 50 really good reports in another, don't waste your time looking for Bigfoot in the county with the lame reports.