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axeman

Feb 22 2006, 03:21 PM

QUOTE(WooleyBooger @ Feb 21 2006, 05:43 PM)

Homepage. Hmmm.... Well y'all gotta forgive us ol' country bubbas. We ain't got no good 'puter eddiecut. I did not realize by listing the TBRC as my homepage on my profile I was claiming ownership to Mr. Woolheaters' organization and/or website. I believe if anyone here thought that I was claiming the TBRC as my own, that they surely would have called me on it by now. If I have broken the forum rules or offended Craig in anyway, I apologize and I'll remove the link today. If not, then please don't yank my chain about trivial BS.

1. It was not overcast. There was a coldfront approaching and in East Texas that means moisture flowing up from the Gulf. The sun was popping in and out all day and there were a few sprinkles, but no real rain until later that night.
It was not dark. I had to walk a mile back to the truck and it's a 45min. drive out of the bottom. By the time I reached the main road, the sun had been down about ten minutes.

2. SOME people are not good at at guessing height. I'm not one of them. I'm 6' 2" tall and weigh 235 lbs. I am used to being the biggest and tallest guy in the room. I'm extremely intimidated by people taller than me. It was at least a head taller than me. I stick by my ESTIMATE of 7 ft.

3. True, I didn't see the front. But I saw it's ass. I saw how it had some kind of hair loss on it's ass. Maybe that's just the way they're made. I don't know. I saw the muscles rolling on the bone and skin jiggle when it stepped down. I saw how it's hair on its arm flowed in the stiff breeze that was steadily blowing.

4. For an "investigator", you sure seem to miss a lot of the information at hand. I will say, if I would have seen this animal (at first) as clearly as I did those last 10 seconds, there's no way in HELL I would have followed it.

5.Well let's see. I got up at 6am (like everyday) got dressed,pissed, got the kids off to school, had breakfast, fed the critters, went to the feed store, stopped and filled dear feeder near my house, had lunch, watched CNN awhile, left to go to fill river camp feeders, stopped and tried to get my hunting pardner to come along, but he couldn't leave work, went to the camp. The rest is in the report.

6. I doubt if a bucket full of hair would mean anything to you or anyone else.

7. It made no sound I could hear. The wind was blowing steady. The leaves are still on the trees here in Oct. A cow can walk by you on a day like that (in the bottom) and you won't hear it.

8.You may know Texas history, but you know little of the terrain. There are vast amounts of land here for these animals to roam. Civilization? The old railroad crossing is an area, not an object. There's been no trains,tracks or bridge here for 90 years. There are hundreds of camp houses up and down the Neches River. Most are abandoned for 8-9 months of the year, and most of those are only used on weekends/holidays. The boatramp in question is private. There is no public access. Boat are launched from that ramp maybe 5 times a year. I know, I'm one of the few that have permission to use it. Tell ya what. Come on down here and I'll drop you off down there. You can walk back out. We'll see how civilized it really is.

9. I was taught as a kid that bigfoot was not real. Any people who thought it was real, were considered crazy. In 4 decades of living in the outdoors,never did I "believe" an animal like this could exist without being discovered. To "believe" means you have faith the animal exist, without having to see it. I never saw a bobcat until I was in my thirties. I "believed" they existed because hundreds of people have killed them and took some good pictures. Also some scientist said they exist, and so did my Dad. When I finally saw one, I ceased to "believe" they exist, because I now know it to be a FACT. It was a bobcat. When I saw bigfoot in 1999, I knew for a FACT it was the real deal. I don't "believe" it was a bigfoot. It was a bigfoot.

Thanks for the info, good stuff. I'll just clarify that obviously from the start i thought i made it clear that this was just a hypothetical list of questions that i came up with off the top of my head. Obviously, in a real situation, i'd not only spend much time in person with you (so that all the "mistakes" i made wouldn't occur in the real world) but i'd also not tell you what i really thought of your answers, as i have here. And your response is a decent illustration of why i wouldn't tell you what i really thought, because if i did you would just get real defensive and i'd quickly lose your trust. I'm not an investigator, BTW, but i have done investigations.

We could quibble all day about whether or not it's "overcast" when you admit there are "sprinkles". That's just trivial, not worth arguing about. In a real situation i'd have a satellite image of the area anyhow, so i could match it up with your response.

I just go by your report--which clearly said that you took 10 steps AFTER 30 seconds had elapsed from the initial sighting from 50 feet away, THEN took off after you heard the snap. So If now you are saying you saw the creature more clearly in those last 10 seconds (of the 30), then it aint in your report!

Hair samples aren't the silver bullet, but they do matter, even to me. A bucketfull of hair would have gone a long way toward corrobaorating your story. To deny that is just plain wrong. I honestly would consider a hair sample, even one of "indeterminate origin", more valuable than any eywitness testimony--even my own!

If the bobcat was 6 feet tall, you'd have a valid point. But there's not much incentive to hoax a bobcat (not saying your sighting was a hoax, just that in theory it is POSSIBLE it was) and bobcats aren't engrained in our subconcious as a 'boogeyman" (which Bigfoot probably was, it's in your subconcious, that's why you're not AWARE of it)

Your report was great, a terrific experience, so go on believing. I hope with 100% of my mind and soul that you saw a genuine Bigfoot, cause i'd like to see one too! So let us mean ol skeptics do whats we gotts to do.
I'm sure if you didn't know me as a mean ol nasty skeptic, we'd get along just fine--i'd be the first to buy you a beer. It's useful to know you're intimidated by taller folk, though--i'm 6'4" :wink:

WooleyBooger

Feb 22 2006, 05:17 PM

Axeman, ask yourself this question:

How certain are you that it was NOT a real Bigfoot? On a scale of 1 to 10, with one being very unsure and ten being that you are absolutely certain and would stake your life on it that it was NOT an authentic, non hoaxed Bigfoot creature.

10...9...8...I'm loading my pistol. :new_whistle:

Texas Tracker

Feb 22 2006, 09:43 PM

QUOTE(axeman @ Feb 22 2006, 02:31 PM)

I stand by what i said, and i am familiar with the area personally since i have spent much time in Texas. It's all relative of course, compared to N Canada the stats you mention might as well be Manhatten. I'm just pointing out what 99.9% of the scientists i know believe: that there's no way in creation an 8 ft tall ape is gonna get by undetected (in terms of a body, of course) in a county with that population and infrastructure. 21,000 is a ton of people. A Bigfoot, even if nomadic, is still going to need a breeding population to live, ergo more than one. I'm not going to convince you of anything, i know that, that's why i made it clear that "personally" i feel that way. It's my OPINION. And until someone produces a body, my opinion will be the accepted one. Feel free to disagree, but don't go accusing me of being slack in research. That's just being p**sed off because you disagree with me. That's fine, this forum is (in)famous for personal attacks and people being accused of all sorts of nonsense. I fully expected it.

:new_tiredsmiley:

Of course it's your opinion, and that's fine, but to quote Dahinden, "Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but if you don't know all the facts, your opinion is meaningless."

Your misleading statement that 21,000 is a "ton" of people is really a statement of relativism. But in the context in which the number was invoked, there was no relativism. There may be a degree of truth to your statement if we were talking about cramming 21,000 people into a small space such as a stadium that seats 25,000 people or even a small town, but we're not. When you take 21,000 people and spread them out across a heavily forested area of 923 square miles, your statement is dead wrong.

To illustrate my point, take New York City, for instance. It's about 450 square miles in size. Now imagine only 21,000 people in New York City.

Tyler County is twice the size of New York City, and is about 90% forested; it is replete with abundant creeks and watercourses, and only a few small towns, the largest of which is Woodville.

Tyler County is surrounded by other counties that are heavily forested and not very populated. What matters is how much pressure a rare reclusive animal might be under in such an environment. I maintain that it's possible for Tyler County, Texas and probably 30 - 40 other East Texas counties, and numerous Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana counties to provide more than sufficient room for hiding, sustenance and movement of a small population of undocumented animals that are highly intelligent (like chimps) and mostly nocturnal.

And to me, it doesn't matter if 6,000,000,000 people all disagreed with me, my experiences tell me otherwise.

axeman

Feb 24 2006, 09:53 AM

QUOTE(WooleyBooger @ Feb 22 2006, 06:17 PM)

Axeman, ask yourself this question:

How certain are you that it was NOT a real Bigfoot? On a scale of 1 to 10, with one being very unsure and ten being that you are absolutely certain and would stake your life on it that it was NOT an authentic, non hoaxed Bigfoot creature.

10...9...8...I'm loading my pistol. :new_whistle:

Off the top of my head, bout 7 or 8. I like the fact that the sighting was clear. what troubles me most was the fact that it didn't face you. it must have known you were there, and seems unusual it wouldnt turn around at that clearing point.

QUOTE(Texas Tracker @ Feb 22 2006, 10:43 PM)

:new_tiredsmiley:

Of course it's your opinion, and that's fine, but to quote Dahinden, "Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but if you don't know all the facts, your opinion is meaningless."

Your misleading statement that 21,000 is a "ton" of people is really a statement of relativism. But in the context in which the number was invoked, there was no relativism. There may be a degree of truth to your statement if we were talking about cramming 21,000 people into a small space such as a stadium that seats 25,000 people or even a small town, but we're not. When you take 21,000 people and spread them out across a heavily forested area of 923 square miles, your statement is dead wrong.

To illustrate my point, take New York City, for instance. It's about 450 square miles in size. Now imagine only 21,000 people in New York City.

Tyler County is twice the size of New York City, and is about 90% forested; it is replete with abundant creeks and watercourses, and only a few small towns, the largest of which is Woodville.

Tyler County is surrounded by other counties that are heavily forested and not very populated. What matters is how much pressure a rare reclusive animal might be under in such an environment. I maintain that it's possible for Tyler County, Texas and probably 30 - 40 other East Texas counties, and numerous Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana counties to provide more than sufficient room for hiding, sustenance and movement of a small population of undocumented animals that are highly intelligent (like chimps) and mostly nocturnal.

And to me, it doesn't matter if 6,000,000,000 people all disagreed with me, my experiences tell me otherwise.

I understand that its "sparsely populated". To me, it can still have "lots of civilization" and still have little population and be heavily forested. We're just looking at the same facts from a different perspective, which is fine. The real issue is how sparse is "sparse enough", and that has been debated ad-nauseum here and elsewhere. To me, the important thing is not so much how populated it is, but for how long the population has been in the area, the history of the area. What was the population 50 years ago? Cause to me, that determines the civilized question. Your right i should have looked that up, cause I dunno, probably should look it up sometimes when i have too much time on my hand.

Bigone

Feb 24 2006, 10:33 AM

Hi everyone

I don't post very much and don't know much about it but , here is some news my unlce just sent me on bigfoot . Don't know how true it is but , wanted to show you what he sent . It's interesting at least . Who know's if they have seen bigfoot . I did not , but smelled him and seen how much he can climb up a hill . No man could do that ! Anyway , that's another story . Check out this and tell me what you think . Thanks all .

February 18, 2006 19:43 PM

Society Claims To Have Scientific Evidence Of Bigfoot Colony

HERE Orang Asli youth, Herman Deraman, 21, showing the actual location where his hut was shaken by Orang Lenggor or Bigfoot near Sungai Madek Forest Reserved, Miles 25, Mersing-Kluang Road in December last year. Pix: Zid Omar

By Mohd Haikal Isa

JOHOR BAHARU, Feb 18 (Bernama) -- The Johor Wildlife Protection Society said it has "scientific evidence" to prove the existence of Bigfoot whose reported sightings recently in the Johor jungles have excited the world's media.

Not just one Bigfoot but a whole colony of the giant, hairy creatures which the society named "Orang Lenggor" (Lenggor People) as one was spotted in an area by that name, said the society's secretary Tay Teng Hwa.

"We will make public the evidence soon," he said today.

He said a member of the society had studied the creatures for six years and interacted directly with the colony.

"The adult creatures are between 10 and 12 feet tall while their children are 6 to 7 footers. Seventy per cent of the Orang Lenggor have a human appearance but the rest resemble apes," he said.

Tay declined to reveal the location of the Bigfoot colony or the type of "scientific evidence" in the possession of the society.

The claim by the society followed a statement by Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman that he was convinced about the existence of Bigfoot based on information provided by Orang Asli.

Tay said the society decided to reveal its discovery because foreigners armed with sophisticated equipment were entering the Johor jungles to track down Bigfoot without the knowledge of the state government.

"We are worried these foreigners might find Bigfoot and then announce to the world as their discovery," he said.

Relating the background to the society's study of the creatures, he said a member of the society, who was a logger, came across Bigfoot when the creature encroached into the logging company's base camp to look for food.

Since that incident, the member began to study the creatures and went close to their colony.

Tay said the creatures, despite their size and rough appearance, were timid and showed no aggression to humans who approached them.

The "Orang Lenggor" had a covering of black hair on their bodies when they were young but the hair gradually turned brown as they grew older, he said.

"They like to eat fish and fruits they gather in the jungles, including durian. They also have a liking for river water that contains dissolved salt and would walk for miles to get it," he added.

Tay said the society would organise an expedition to the "Orang Lenggor" colony in either March or April.

-- BERNAMA

WooleyBooger

Feb 24 2006, 07:28 PM

QUOTE(LaurieB2851 @ Feb 21 2006, 10:56 PM)

Hi WolleyBooger!

I read your sightings report - pretty neat. One thing I always like to take note of is the appearance of the face. Did you ever see the face of the critter during your sighting?

Edited to add: Ooooops! I read again and you never did see its face, right?

Sorry Laurie. I must have missed this scrolling to fast. No, I did not see the face.

superd

Feb 24 2006, 09:48 PM

Hi WolleyBooger
9. I was taught as a kid that bigfoot was not real. Any people who thought it was real, were considered crazy. In 4 decades of living in the outdoors,never did I "believe" an animal like this could exist without being discovered. To "believe" means you have faith the animal exist, without having to see it. I never saw a bobcat until I was in my thirties. I "believed" they existed because hundreds of people have killed them and took some good pictures. Also some scientist said they exist, and so did my Dad. When I finally saw one, I ceased to "believe" they exist, because I now know it to be a FACT. It was a bobcat. When I saw bigfoot in 1999, I knew for a FACT it was the real deal. I don't "believe" it was a bigfoot. It was a bigfoot.
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I like your logic :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:

LaurieB2851

Feb 25 2006, 12:18 AM

QUOTE(WooleyBooger @ Feb 24 2006, 07:28 PM)

Sorry Laurie. I must have missed this scrolling to fast. No, I did not see the face.

Thanks WooleyBooger! I've got this thing about reading sightings and always wondering what the faces looked like. The thing I can't get out of my mind is some are described as apelike and others are described as human like. I guess in my mind, were I to make that distinction in reporting a BF sighting that type of description would come from my describing the face. That would be my priority in trying to determine what I was looking at. My next consideration of course would be the body itself. I'm sure the same description could hold true for the body as well, but I think for myself I would describe that as simply tall and hairy. I don't think I would make that kind of distinction with the body itself. One of these days, we're going to know if people are seeing more then one species or not!

thebeardedone

Feb 27 2006, 11:03 AM

10!

Paul3221

Mar 3 2006, 03:58 PM

If you asked me a year ago, I would have given a ten without question. Now I would say it's more like a 7. Ironically, getting back into the subject over the last year has made me question it more than I ever did before. It was back in 1977, and I was only 7 years old. Now I wonder if my memory of it is accurate, or if it has changed over the years. If I close my eyes and think of it, it's still as clear as when it happened, but is it the real picture??

Jason99

Mar 3 2006, 10:04 PM

7, maybe an 8.

Angie

Mar 7 2006, 08:13 PM

10

whitebuffalo

Mar 11 2006, 01:46 AM

I would say a definate 10, and I know I havent posted too much at all, but had to post on this one because I feel very strongly about this subject.

For those that havent read, or remember my sighting here ya go

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=83

That is my experience, I will never ever forget it. There is one thing I would add now after reading this thread, and that would be how I arrived at the heght estimation.

As the bigfoot walked down the mountain towards me, he stopped alot, and was walking through some brush. Well when he ran away, and then disappeared behind a very large pine, I went (forcing myself because I really wanted to run) to see where he went. It did help that I was carrying a Weatherby 300 mag Mk V, made me feel a little bit safer lol. Anyways I stopped at some tracks he kicked up as he ran, and they were next to the brush he was walking through. Well the brush was over my head, and it came to the middle of his chest. It still is a guess on height, and 7 to 8 ft would be conservative. He probably was more like 9 or 10 ft tall, but I didnt measure the brush.

Plus everyone can laugh and have a good time picking my story apart, but it was my experience, and it is burned into my memory. I would also say at first I thought for sure it was a man until he got close enough to really see the difference, and both of us at the same moment said it's a bigfoot!!

califb

Mar 11 2006, 02:58 AM

QUOTE(whitebuffalo @ Mar 10 2006, 11:46 PM)

I would say a definate 10, and I know I havent posted too much at all, but had to post on this one because I feel very strongly about this subject.

For those that havent read, or remember my sighting here ya go

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=83

That is my experience, I will never ever forget it. There is one thing I would add now after reading this thread, and that would be how I arrived at the heght estimation.

As the bigfoot walked down the mountain towards me, he stopped alot, and was walking through some brush. Well when he ran away, and then disappeared behind a very large pine, I went (forcing myself because I really wanted to run) to see where he went. It did help that I was carrying a Weatherby 300 mag Mk V, made me feel a little bit safer lol. Anyways I stopped at some tracks he kicked up as he ran, and they were next to the brush he was walking through. Well the brush was over my head, and it came to the middle of his chest. It still is a guess on height, and 7 to 8 ft would be conservative. He probably was more like 9 or 10 ft tall, but I didnt measure the brush.

Plus everyone can laugh and have a good time picking my story apart, but it was my experience, and it is burned into my memory. I would also say at first I thought for sure it was a man until he got close enough to really see the difference, and both of us at the same moment said it's a bigfoot!!

Your encounter seems very logical without a single red flag (imagine that). One question I would like to ask is when you and your friend were sitting in your truck watching the strangely dressed man without a gun up on the ridge, didn't you think to take a closer look at him with binoculars - just out of curiosity? (BTW I'm not sure that the waving by the window story qualifies as a BF encounter, but it did give me the creeps...)

Teresa

Mar 11 2006, 07:38 AM

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maguana

Mar 12 2006, 02:37 PM

It's been many a year and it only lasted 3 seconds. I still call it a Bo Derrek.

whitebuffalo

Dec 25 2008, 12:00 PM

QUOTE

One question I would like to ask is when you and your friend were sitting in your truck watching the strangely dressed man without a gun up on the ridge, didn't you think to take a closer look at him with binoculars - just out of curiosity?

By looking at the date you can see that I have been far from a computer for a long time lol.

Anyways, I did go for the binoculars right at the moment it was dawning on me that this was not a man dressed in black clothes. At that moment we realized we left the binoculars in the camper. I made alot of noise scrounging around, but it was the click of the door handle that alerted BF to our presence.

We locked eyes for a couple seconds both frozen, then he takes off in a dead run for the only tree within 75 yards of him. I couldnt get the scope down on him for fear that when I put my eye in I would lose him. Once he reached that pine, he was gone.

We went camping in the same area this last summer, and I have to tell you I didnt get a wink of sleep LOL.

billgreen2005bigfoot

Dec 25 2008, 12:30 PM

hey whitebuffalo wow very interesting above sighting. do you have photo the sighting location or possible evidence or a sketch of the creature you saw. welcome to bigfoot forums & merry christmas. good afternoon. bill

whitebuffalo

Dec 27 2008, 03:17 PM

Hi Bill

I do have some pictures of the area that I put on a cd, but for the life of me cant find the disk LOL. Google earth has it marked, and believe it or not they got really close to the exact spot. I would say within a couple football fields of where I saw this BF.

I will keep lookin for that disk, and will put up some pics soon as I find it.

I went back every year for a couple of years taking some skeptical friends with me, and we were able to find tracks on a couple of the trips. In 2000 I was hurt by a doctor and subsequently disabled, it is now hard for me to walk very far making it hard to go looking for sign. We didnt even think to cast the prints, and my skeptical friends swore up and down we found prints of someone walking around barefoot. Who in the world walks around barefoot in the high country, off the beaten trails, and leading to the wilderness?

My family has had a few sightings over the years within a 10 mile radius of where me and the friend saw this one, and we have come to the conclusion he is following the deer migration. The deer migrate through the area swimming across a reservoir on their way to where they winter, and again when going back to the high country in the spring.

Happy New Year!! all!!!

Shadowmunk

Apr 9 2009, 07:48 PM

a 11 ther was no doubt and had a wittness in braod daylight and no shadows but in plain sight

sasqman

May 30 2009, 08:50 PM

An easy "10"! Completely unobstructed view that lasted for a couple minutes, and at a distance of roughly 25 to 30 yards. There is no way that it was a misidentification, or hallucination of any kind. I would "comfortably" bet my life on the fact that what I saw was nothing other than a BF creature.

whitebuffalo

May 31 2009, 08:19 PM

I took a screenshot in google earth. You can type in Madera Peak in the search and it will take you to this spot.

As you can see in the photo it is an area that is very remote, and it is at the crest of the sierra's. I put the push pin fairly close to the spot we were sitting. We were camped at the intersection of this road for a few days before we decided to hunt up near the trailhead. During deer season you dont see many hikers because the weather is cold, and more importantly there are people walking around with weapons LOL.

Searcher67

May 31 2009, 09:31 PM

I would have to say my incident was a 9..This occurred Feb 16 2006 we were expecting a major snowstorm so my wife and I went to Walmart to get a few things, the only Walmart we knew of at the time was in Ephrata. Coming back we turned off of 322 onto Boyds because it would have been a shorter drive home. At this time there was some road contruction going on for a Golf course.. So this road is a back woods type with little traffic and no homes.. It was dark with no streetlights. As we were coming around a s turn I noticed what appeared to be a short newly set telephone pole, thats what attracted my attention to it, it was about 6ft tall and dark black. As we passed I was looking at it and it really looked like something different, I hit the brakes as we passed and it walked into the woods. I hit the brakes hard and spun the truck around and faced the lights into the woods. The thick vegetation illuminated so much that I could not see far into the woods. But that telepohone was no longer there.. This was around 11:30 pm and I don't think there would be anyone on foot out there in Feb that late at night, and there were no other cars before or after us for at least the 1/2 hour we were there looking. I heard or smelled nothing, but I still had the truck running...

cowboyman

May 31 2009, 10:20 PM

My initial encounter was a life changing event..A definant 10...Although I had watch shows regarding this subject as a child.My personal experiences in the woods did nothing to support the existance of this creature. That all changed on a country road in 2005!

art bowshier

Jun 8 2009, 06:42 PM

When I did my report to BFRO---It was under the condition that the exact location be kept private--they put it on a map. T%alk anout trustworhy (NOT)!!!!