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David Thomas King
Having been in the field doing research with quite a few individuals, I have found that some prefer to poke along slowly, using a quiet stealth approach in hopes of "sneaking up" on unsuspecting Sasquatch, while others prefer to move very quickly hoping to catch Sasquatch off guard. Going slower gives the advantage of absorbing the surrounding climate and finding trace evidence, but the speed approach does have its advantages, and could possibly result in an actual "run-in" with a Sas. I'm just interested in hearing from those who do actual field research. What's your preferred method of approach? The tortoise or the hare?

DTK

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Melissa
I prefer to move slowly - and watch look at the ground.

Yeah, Im sure someday I will walk right into a tree smile.gif
Wildman
My usual approach to research is to stomp on beaver dams in the state of NY, where it is against the law. :smile:
walkingcarpet
I prefer to set a bait trap with a Crunchwrap Supreme from Taco Bell, then sit in the bushes with my AK, waiting, waiting, waiting...
David Thomas King
QUOTE(Wildman @ Feb 11 2006, 12:52 AM) *
My usual approach to research is to stomp on beaver dams in the state of NY, where it is against the law.


Cute...

I don't know of anyone else who may have done that... Pretty long way to travel for somone who lives in CA.

:new_whistle:
glendoor42
QUOTE(Melissa @ Feb 10 2006, 11:46 PM) *
I prefer to move slowly - and watch look at the ground.


Yeah, I usually do that too but I'm normally looking for money ,not Bigfoot.

But seriously, it would seem the noise involved in the fast approach would warn anything that you are looking for.
David Thomas King
QUOTE(glendoor42 @ Feb 11 2006, 01:04 AM) *
Yeah, I usually do that too but I'm normally looking for money ,not Bigfoot.

But seriously, it would seem the noise involved in the fast approach would warn anything that you are looking for.


Actually, the few I have accompanied who actually use the speed approach are quite nimble and surprisingly they don't make very much noise at all. (Unlike me, who seems to fumble awkwardly through the thikets....)

:laugh:
Melissa
QUOTE(glendoor42 @ Feb 11 2006, 12:04 AM) *
Yeah, I usually do that too but I'm normally looking for money ,not Bigfoot.

But seriously, it would seem the noise involved in the fast approach would warn anything that you are looking for.


Well, smartypants :laugh: I have found 5 pennies 3 dimes 1 nickel and 2 quarters, how much $$ have you found :new_whistle:

Actually, Im looking at the ground for tracks, Never know, I might get lucky someday - or get a tree in the noggin :eek3dance:
Volsquatch
QUOTE(Wildman @ Feb 11 2006, 11:52 AM) *
My usual approach to research is to stomp on beaver dams in the state of NY, where it is against the law. :smile:


Yeah, me too, and I also like to consider ground-shaking thumps in the distance as possible sasquatch activity, then get all bent out of shape when people think that's ridiculous. But hey, that's just how I roll. :smile:
truth seeker
QUOTE(walkingcarpet @ Feb 11 2006, 12:53 AM) *
I prefer to set a bait trap with a Crunchwrap Supreme from Taco Bell, then sit in the bushes with my AK, waiting, waiting, waiting...

See man your problem is the crunch wrap Bigfoot likes the Chulpas from the Taco Bell, Twinkies work well too. :laugh:
Mike I
I personally use the eagle method. Swift and silent from the air.

Now the Crunchwrap Supreme could explain the odor that is associated with a sighting. yuk.gif
Sean V
QUOTE(David Thomas King @ Feb 10 2006, 11:54 PM) *
Cute...

I don't know of anyone else who may have done that... Pretty long way to travel for somone who lives in CA.

:new_whistle:



I don't know about it being "cute", but it was definately amusing.
VAFooter
QUOTE(Melissa @ Feb 11 2006, 01:46 AM) *
Well, smartypants :laugh: I have found 5 pennies 3 dimes 1 nickel and 2 quarters, how much $$ have you found :new_whistle:



You go girl. While the rest of us are just armchair researchers playing with etrade.com, you are out there in the woods walking the talk. Hope you find that holy grail that all real searchers are seeking - the $5.00 bill.... :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
Melissa
QUOTE(VAFooter @ Feb 11 2006, 04:28 PM) *
You go girl. While the rest of us are just armchair researchers playing with etrade.com, you are out there in the woods walking the talk. Hope you find that holy grail that all real searchers are seeking - the $5.00 bill.... :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:


:new_lmaosmiley: I can only dream !!!!! But, it is good to have goals.
David Thomas King
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ Feb 11 2006, 07:22 AM) *
Yeah, me too, and I also like to consider ground-shaking thumps in the distance as possible sasquatch activity, then get all bent out of shape when people think that's ridiculous. But hey, that's just how I roll. :smile:


Man I knew you were strange but that just takes the cake!

:laugh:
David Thomas King
QUOTE(Melissa @ Feb 11 2006, 12:46 AM) *
I prefer to move slowly - and watch look at the ground.

Yeah, Im sure someday I will walk right into a tree smile.gif


I'm with you Melissa. I prefer to take things slowly, taking pictures all the way. It may take me longer, but I usually cover much more ground and find much more interesting things than those who use the "sprint" method.
scarey678
This thread should be called the "beaver dam support group" :laugh: . After looking at those pictures, why does it have to be a beaver dam. How do you know that it not just a pile of branches washed up by a stream?Are there any beaver architectural experts out there................? :wink: . Personally whenever I'm out in the woods I take my time and go slow, with emphasis being placed on being as quiet as possible.
Painthorse
The hare approach.
Something to take into consideration, is that the majority of sightings and encounters are by people who are "not out looking" for these animals.
Hikers, hunters, fishermen, kids at play, etc.
JMO, these animals "allready" know when "your" out there in their territory, no matter how quiet you try to be.
Their senses are much keener than ours.
Just my .02
David Thomas King
QUOTE(Painthorse @ Feb 12 2006, 03:46 PM) *
The hare approach.
Something to take into consideration, is that the majority of sightings and encounters are by people who are "not out looking" for these animals.
Hikers, hunters, fishermen, kids at play, etc.
JMO, these animals "allready" know when "your" out there in their territory, no matter how quiet you try to be.
Their senses are much keener than ours.
Just my .02


Do you ever do field research on horseback, painthorse? Just wondering. My thought is that it may be the best way to cover lot's of ground while still maintaining a semi-stealth approach.
Painthorse
QUOTE(David Thomas King @ Feb 12 2006, 05:59 PM) *
Do you ever do field research on horseback, painthorse? Just wondering. My thought is that it may be the best way to cover lot's of ground while still maintaining a semi-stealth approach.


Not yet David, I'm not fond of broken bones, lol.
Where I lived in Florida it was too much of a hassle, I would of had to trailer the horse.
1 horse is unbroke, 1 horse is green, the mare I intend to use here as a research companion still needs some work to get the "booger" out of her. I can ride out my back yard, my property borders the Ouchita National Forest. It's extremely rocky here and I need a farrier to rig her up with pads and shoes all the way around. This "is not" an area where you want a horse to go lame and have to walk your way out on foot. It's also not safe to go out with a horse that will spook and run blindly taking your a$$ down a ravine or getting decapitated by low hanging tree limbs. So it probably will not be until this summer or fall before I attempt the horseback scenario.
scotto
That's why you need a 4-wheeler, Paint. new_specool.gif
Teresa
Yeah...kinda hard to spook a 4-wheeler. LOL wink.gif
Painthorse
QUOTE(scotto @ Feb 12 2006, 07:16 PM) *
That's why you need a 4-wheeler, Paint. new_specool.gif


I'm working on it!
:laugh:

Anyone wanna trade a 4 wheeler for a nice 4 horse pull behind horse trailer???
moregon
C'mon Painthorse, you know that horses can go places 4 Wheelers can only dream about, plus it won't run out of gas. It's been years since I've been on one, but I had more than my fair share of almost losing them out from under me while riding through the woods. Usually it was a big buck or doe would decide to jump up out of it's bedding spot at the moment we rode by. People don't realize how fast a big horse can move sideways when it gets spooked. I would think the natural smell of a horse would help to mask the human scent as well, since you usually do get closer to other wild animals than you would on foot before they do run off, or at least it seemed.

Then there's the noise issue, and horses are generally quieter than 4 wheelers, unless they eat something they shouldn't have, then they can get a bit noisy. I love 4 wheelers, but for the sheer sense of stealth I'd vote for the horse.

By the way, my personal technique is more tortoise, with lots of stops and time spent sitting, listening, smelling, and watching. I've seen more wildlife in general using this technique at close range, than I ever would have using the Hare technique.
mochape
QUOTE(Wildman @ Feb 11 2006, 12:52 AM) *
My usual approach to research is to stomp on beaver dams in the state of NY, where it is against the law. :smile:


Those damns would be much safer if you were out in the woods guarding them methinks....
But whatever..........
Painthorse
Moregon, something I've been thinking about, if I can find one at a reasonable price around here, is a nice big Jenny. Seriously, in this terrain I would feel much safer on a more sure footed animal. JMO, mules aren't the purdiest thing to look at, but they got a horse beat when it comes to navigating this type of terrain.

Again, this is just my opinion. I really don't think the noise from a 4 wheeler is going to lessen the chance of encountering a b/f. Many reports are from people in vehicles along roadways, also a few, if I remember correctly of people while 4 wheeling and on motor bikes.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the aspect of stopping, listenning and observing.
It took me a while to get used to "looking beyond" the initial woods, to be able to detect movement, to see a deer just by catching a twitch of an ear.
Wildman
QUOTE(mochape @ Feb 12 2006, 06:46 PM) *
Those damns would be much safer if you were out in the woods guarding them methinks....
But whatever..........


I would love to. That would be awesome. I'd love a job out in the wilderness somewhere. I don't know that my family would like it so much.
Bukwas
QUOTE(Melissa @ Feb 10 2006, 11:46 PM) *
I prefer to move slowly - and watch look at the ground.

Yeah, Im sure someday I will walk right into a tree smile.gif


I have this mental picture of Melissa hunched over, thoroughly inspecting the ground below her, walking slowly, not taking her eyes off the ground... and bumping headlong into the fanny of a sasquatch!
mike2k1
QUOTE(Bukwas @ Feb 13 2006, 11:49 AM) *
I have this mental picture of Melissa hunched over, thoroughly inspecting the ground below her, walking slowly, not taking her eyes off the ground... and bumping headlong into the fanny of a sasquatch!



Hey, I know Melissa....be more like around the knee cap area.. :laugh: huh.gif (just kiddin' ...no short jokes! lol)

Either way, it would be an interesting encounter...exit stage left! :eek3dance:
Boomer316
QUOTE(Painthorse @ Feb 12 2006, 08:19 PM) *
Moregon, something I've been thinking about, if I can find one at a reasonable price around here, is a nice big Jenny. Seriously, in this terrain I would feel much safer on a more sure footed animal. JMO, mules aren't the purdiest thing to look at, but they got a horse beat when it comes to navigating this type of terrain.

Again, this is just my opinion. I really don't think the noise from a 4 wheeler is going to lessen the chance of encountering a b/f. Many reports are from people in vehicles along roadways, also a few, if I remember correctly of people while 4 wheeling and on motor bikes.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the aspect of stopping, listenning and observing.
It took me a while to get used to "looking beyond" the initial woods, to be able to detect movement, to see a deer just by catching a twitch of an ear.



Paint,
There are a few horse dealers in Central and Southern Albera and your $$$ would go further...don't have any particulars but there's a start.
I agree with you in the fact that ther Big Guy knows when we are in his territory...might just as well take yer time and go slow....I think that trying to tail a sas in thick bush at top spped (or even less) is putting your safety at risk (i.e. sprains, breaks, etc) THEN you are truly hooped. Besides, with the ease that sas travels through the woods...i.e. bipedal snowplow :new_rolleyessmileyanim: ...as borne out by many reports, is there any practical chance of actually trailing him/her? ....another question, what do you do if you DO catch him?...."show him something he hasn't seen before"? :new_lmaosmiley: OR..what if sas becomes aware of the tactics and starts to chase YOU? ....ummmm..I wonder if sas can run faster mad than I can scared
That's why you never go bigfooting alone....I don't have to run faster than sas...I just have to be able to run faster than YOU :eek3dance:
Cheers
WooleyBooger
My 'ol pard' and I use a style of hunting fox squirrels we call "hopscotching". Foxies are lazy and don't like to run. They would rather hide and they do so by keeping the tree between you and them. As you move past, they creep slowly around the tree, just out of sight. I think ol' sloughfoot does the same kind of thing.

When hopscotching, "the dog" moves into the woods first (at normal walking speed) while "the hunter" stays put. The "dog" continues on for about 100 yards or so, depending on the cover. As he moves along, any squirrels in the area will try to stay out of his sight, by moving right into the sight of the "hunter". We use the "45 degree" rule when shooting, and in 29 years we've never shot each other, but there has been a few lead showers.

I not sure this could be used by the pro-kill folks safely, because the big guy probably doesn't spend much time in the tree tops. But if you're lookin' to shoot sloughfoot with something besides a gun, it could be an effective way to search for one.

The more, the merrier too. A group of twenty people, in teams of two, spread out about 100 yards each could cover more than a 1/2 square mile area in just under an hour. Even quicker if you're looking for the track maker, and not the tracks.

As for me, the "Lone Searcher", slow and steady wins the race.
bbastin
I like to go slowly in daylight, walk a bit, stop and look carefully a bit. At night I walk steadily being noisy to attract attention.
Painthorse
QUOTE(Boomer316 @ Feb 13 2006, 04:27 PM) *
Paint,
There are a few horse dealers in Central and Southern Albera and your $$$ would go further...don't have any particulars but there's a start.
I agree with you in the fact that ther Big Guy knows when we are in his territory...might just as well take yer time and go slow....I think that trying to tail a sas in thick bush at top spped (or even less) is putting your safety at risk (i.e. sprains, breaks, etc) THEN you are truly hooped. Besides, with the ease that sas travels through the woods...i.e. bipedal snowplow :new_rolleyessmileyanim: ...as borne out by many reports, is there any practical chance of actually trailing him/her? ....another question, what do you do if you DO catch him?...."show him something he hasn't seen before"? :new_lmaosmiley: OR..what if sas becomes aware of the tactics and starts to chase YOU? ....ummmm..I wonder if sas can run faster mad than I can scared
That's why you never go bigfooting alone....I don't have to run faster than sas...I just have to be able to run faster than YOU :eek3dance:
Cheers
,

Mercy, lol. Boomer, that post was not in reference to "tailing a sas" it was in reference to when we go out, we don't take "extra care" in being silent when going through the brush. We act normaly as we would do on a normal walk. I know "how to walk in stealth mode" watching where to walk and being careful not to step out of place to crack ground fall and such.

We walk normaly, talk in normal tones, we make no secret that we're in "their" territory.

As far as catching one?????? NOT possible, JMHO.

Show him something he hasn't seen before? SURE I'll moon the sucker if it gives the hubby enough time to blast the beast.

If that doesn't work and he can't pull the trigger quick enough, hopefully there'll be enough DNA left on me for science. LMAO
:new_weirdsmiley: :new_whistle:
Boomer316
:wtf:
QUOTE(Painthorse @ Feb 13 2006, 02:18 PM) *
,

Mercy, lol. Boomer, that post was not in reference to "tailing a sas" it was in reference to when we go out, we don't take "extra care" in being silent when going through the brush. We act normaly as we would do on a normal walk. I know "how to walk in stealth mode" watching where to walk and being careful not to step out of place to crack ground fall and such.

We walk normaly, talk in normal tones, we make no secret that we're in "their" territory.

As far as catching one?????? NOT possible, JMHO.

Show him something he hasn't seen before? SURE I'll moon the sucker if it gives the hubby enough time to blast the beast.

If that doesn't work and he can't pull the trigger quick enough, hopefully there'll be enough DNA left on me for science. LMAO
:new_weirdsmiley: :new_whistle:



Thanks!
I like the strategy...no fear, just two (or more) normal people out for a walk in the woods....sometimes the simple approach works better (the KISS Principle)
The "stealth mode" you are refering to I am QUITE familiar with...it really is a pain to walk that way...I imagine the BigGuy watching us doing that kind of thing, scratching his/her head like :wtf: ..thinking "stupid hairless apes....."
Now...would that be a "full" or "half" moon :rolling:
Until Steve Irwin getys involved...I'm in!
"Right now, here's them illusive North American Sasquatch...wonderful creature...look at the size of it! They can snap trees, throw heavy boulders dozens of yards and snap a deer's neck...lets go poke him with a stick :pokey: " ......and this was an excerpt of the last episode of "Croc Hunter" :willy_nilly:

Cheers
Painthorse
QUOTE(Boomer316 @ Feb 13 2006, 07:30 PM) *
:wtf:
Thanks!
I like the strategy...no fear, just two (or more) normal people out for a walk in the woods....sometimes the simple approach works better (the KISS Principle)
The "stealth mode" you are refering to I am QUITE familiar with...it really is a pain to walk that way...I imagine the BigGuy watching us doing that kind of thing, scratching his/her head like :wtf: ..thinking "stupid hairless apes....."
Now...would that be a "full" or "half" moon :rolling:
Until Steve Irwin getys involved...I'm in!
"Right now, here's them illusive North American Sasquatch...wonderful creature...look at the size of it! They can snap trees, throw heavy boulders dozens of yards and snap a deer's neck...lets go poke him with a stick :pokey: " ......and this was an excerpt of the last episode of "Croc Hunter" :willy_nilly:

Cheers



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Squatchetery of State
Ive tryed both. I dont think either will work unless our "Big Friends" want us to see them. I keep trying though, there is nothing better then walking around the woods late at night and you hear something moving in the woods, your heart starts pumping, your senses come alive, DAMN, I WISH I WAS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW!. I think sitting in one area is pretty good. I think our "Big Buddy's" get curious to 'why are those people sitting there at 2 in the morning in the middle of our woods in the cold, in the dark, whispering, and eating that great smelling food? Ive had some intense moments using this method.
David Thomas King
QUOTE(Squatchetery of State @ Feb 14 2006, 12:37 PM) *
Ive tryed both. I dont think either will work unless our "Big Friends" want us to see them. I keep trying though, there is nothing better then walking around the woods late at night and you hear something moving in the woods, your heart starts pumping, your senses come alive, DAMN, I WISH I WAS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW!. I think sitting in one area is pretty good. I think our "Big Buddy's" get curious to 'why are those people sitting there at 2 in the morning in the middle of our woods in the cold, in the dark, whispering, and eating that great smelling food? Ive had some intense moments using this method.


I guess I should add the "stationary method" in this topic, as in "Let Sasquatch come to you." I wonder how many use this method and why?
The QuatchWatcher
QUOTE(David Thomas King @ Feb 10 2006, 09:44 PM) *
Having been in the field doing research with quite a few individuals, I have found that some prefer to poke along slowly, using a quiet stealth approach in hopes of "sneaking up" on unsuspecting Sasquatch, while others prefer to move very quickly hoping to catch Sasquatch off guard. Going slower gives the advantage of absorbing the surrounding climate and finding trace evidence, but the speed approach does have its advantages, and could possibly result in an actual "run-in" with a Sas. I'm just interested in hearing from those who do actual field research. What's your preferred method of approach? The tortoise or the hare?
DTK


I am The Rabbit... :eek3dance:
glendoor42
The stationary method is my favorite because after 20 years of government service I'm an expert at sitting on my ass.
JayleeD
:ohmy:



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