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tugboatwa
http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0201-bigfoot.html
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In search of Bigfoot, scientists may uncover unknown biodiversity in Malaysia

Rhett A. Butler, mongabay.com - February 1, 2006

Malaysian scientists are scouring the rainforests of Johor state in search of the legendary ape-man Bigfoot, supposedly sighted late last year. But they are more likely to encounter some less fantastic but unique creatures that dwell in these still unexplored ecosystems.

In recent years a number of new and conspicuous animals have been discovered in the forests of South and Southeast Asia, including 361 new species in Borneo over the past decade and 43 new species of vertebrates in Sri Lanka. Just last year, scientists with the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) captured on film what may be a new species of mammal in the rainforests of Kalimantan in Indonesian Borneo. The fox-like creature is apparently unknown even to local hunters.

Such is not the case with another species discovered last year. The kha-nyou, a bizarre long-whiskered rodent, was first described by Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS) scientists after it was found on a table at a hunter's market in central Laos. The animal has since been classified in its own taxonomic family.

While most experts agree that the likelihood is remote of finding the "Bigfoot" beast Malaysian tribal people call siamang, mawas, or hantu jarang gigi, the country's efforts to ascertain the existence of such a creature are not the first time a government in the region has acted on behalf of a cryptozoological entity. Bhutan created Sakteng Wildlife Sanctuary—650 square kilometers of temperate rhododendron and pine forests in the eastern part of the country—specifically to protect the habitat of the yeti, better known as "Bigfoot" or "Sasquatch" in other parts of the world. To date the yeti has proved elusive, but Bhutan as a whole is home to 29 other species of mammals and more than 625 kinds of birds. Besides "Bigfoot," Malaysia has had reported sightings of another mysterious "cryptid," the orang pendek, which is said to be an unclassified species of primate similar to the orangutan but standing only two and a half to five feet in height (thus there would be no confusing the orang pendek with the alleged "Bigfoot" which is said to stand nine feet tall). Periodic sightings of the orang pendek date back to the Victorian era but expeditions to find the species have turned up no conclusive evidence.

Background on the recent Bigfoot hysteria

Bigfoot has been big news in Malaysia since November when three day laborers claimed they saw a family of Bigfoot on a riverbank in Kota Tinggi reserve. The witnesses ran but later returned with an "educated colleague" to photograph the footprints which measured 45cm - equivalent to a man's size 20 shoe.

Skeptics have noted that the timing of the Bigfoot sighting coincides with the release of Peter Jackson's movie "King Kong" in cinemas of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Further, the idea of a wild Bigfoot in the forests could help attract ecotourists to the country which has seen a drop in tourism since 2001.

The existence of such creatures is very much in doubt, and hopes of finding the unknown are fading due to widespread habitat loss across much of Asia. The situation is especially urgent in Malaysia, where deforestation rates have jumped 86 percent since the close of the 1990s as a result of forest degradation and clearing for oil palm, logging, and other forms of development. With primary forest covering around 10 percent of the country, the chances of finding Bigfoot or other creatures is diminishing fast.

"Skeptics might say that if we are still discovering such amazing new animals, why are people worried about wildlife loss," said Dr. Robert Timmins, a WCS researcher, at the time of his Lao rodent discovery. "But of course it is an indication of how little we know, and a window onto what we could be losing without ever knowing."
LaurieB2851
Great article Tug!

I've been tossing this issue around in my mind for about a week and all kinds of questions come up. The one question that surfaces the most in my mind is - if in fact they "discover" bigfoot in Malaysia - how is it going to affect the thinking about BF here? First of all, is it going to make our government (not to mention scientists) look like darned fools for having denied BF's existance all of these years? Will they then start to pour some real money into bigfoot research? Will our government perhaps just put some "automatic" laws into place that make it a crime to "hunt" or "kill" a BF and set aside habitat for them? Worst of all, will there be those that will "cry" that we can't allow anything like that to live in our forests? What will happen here in America and how will it affect the way things are seen and done now?

First and foremost, I don't think for a minute it's going to matter if there are those who feel BF should NOT exist. There are too many of us who would stop any harm coming to BF. Let those people stay out of the woods if they're so afraid. There are things in the woods now I would fear a whole lot worse and they're allowed to live. As far as the government feeling like fools, I don't think they really care. They look like fools every day anyway. The scientists, I think will jump on the bandwagon as though they've been there all along. They'll travel to Malaysia, observe the creature, and become "experts" of BF. They will fall over each other trying to obtain funds to conduct a study here. As far as our government pouring money into bigfoot research - I don't think that is going to happen. I think they will find that it would be much cheaper to just acknowledge that BF exists in this country as well. But as far as setting aside habitat for them - which I do believe may well happen, how will they determine which areas get set aside for them (and who is going to tell a BF where to live anyway)? It's quite possible things won't be any different then they are right now. With the logging industry, let's face it - we need that wood for many things. I do have one concern about that though - with everyone in the country wanting to live in this country (and us continuing to let them come in) - the demand for homes is only going to grow. (However, with access to healthcare becoming more and more unfordable for the average citizen - maybe the death rate of people in this country will go up and we won't have to worry about a greater need for housing.)

In reading the article above, it sounds like Malaysia has very limited habitat that a BF could even realistically survive in. So, what are the chances that a BF will be discovered at all in Malaysia? One thing for sure, if they do find BF exists in Malaysia, I personally think a lot of things in the BF world is going to change. Whether it's for the good or bad for BF, remains to be seen. I am not going to hold my breath or anything that Malaysia will find what they're looking for, but at the same time I think it's worth some advance thinking on how it will affect things here if they do.
Roadrunner
It's unrealistic to think that people would say BF should not have any place in the wild. I'm not sure where you're coming from in that regard. Just as people respect bear, lion, crocodile, why would they think any different toward a big ape? Yes, they may be more cautious, but not any more and probably less cautious than if they knew there'd be bear around, which begs the question, what makes you think that people would fear something that is so rare to encounter in the first place?

Also, I doubt that finding another BF after discovering the first to the world is going to be any easier. I don't buy the idea that finding one means that others suddenly become available. It's going to be very difficult coming to terms with the behaviour of this animal and how we'd go about capturing them for research purposes. A long way to go, but the first step is getting that desirable camera or video capture of this animal. There's no point in worrying about the what ifs when we have hard enough trouble as it is finding this animal, if it does exist.

Those dedicated researchers, keep up the good work. Patience and perseverance.
Let's find this beast once and for all. :new_medieval: :bf:
LaurieB2851
When it comes to people being concerned about the existence of BF in the wild - I'm not trying to go anywhere with that. Just raising a few possibilities that won't get acted upon because there are too many of us out there who won't stand for it. But, there are those kind of people out there that look for causes - any causes because they require attention. I've met people that are scared they're going to die smelling a whiff of cigarette smoke as they quickly pass through a door where the smokers are smoking outside and it becomes their whole life's goal to chase the smokers even further away and they've succeeded. Is it realistic they'll want to get rid of the BF's in the world? I have no idea. Who knows? Just throwing some silly stuff out there.

I personally feel that if they discover a BF anywhere else in the world it will change attitudes in the BF world here in the United States. It's just a matter of WHAT changes of attitudes there will be. The panda wasn't discovered here in the United States but the United States's scientists had to admit the existence of them all the same. I'm hoping the same will be the case with BF. But I hope all the changes will be positive ones. I don't want to see them in zoos.
Blackbear
Just wanted to point out that I noticed the tribal people called the bigfoot "Siamang" which in malaysia when I was growing up the only siamang I know is the gibbon...maybe they thought it looked monkeyish?

here's some links to siamang pics
http://www.baldeagleinfo.com/zoo/siamang.html
http://www.wildanimalpark.co.uk/animals/in...sia/siamang.htm
http://www.bmu.de/artenschutz/aktuell/doc/35848.php
http://www.vet-magazin.com/wissenschaft/zo...ge/Siamang.html
http://williamcalvin.com/portraits/Siamang...DZ%20584adj.jpg

"Siamang inflate their throat sac to make their 'great call', they have possibly the loudest voice of all primates"
by this I just though about the possiblilities of a bigfoot having a throat sac!!???
Huntster
QUOTE(Blackbear @ Feb 4 2006, 06:16 AM) *
....."Siamang inflate their throat sac to make their 'great call', they have possibly the loudest voice of all primates"
by this I just though about the possiblilities of a bigfoot having a throat sac!!???


That is a very, very interesting question...........
GloriousKyle
That was one of the better, more detailed, articles I've read- and yet it still breifly suggests it's all a ploy for tourism influenced by the release of 'King Kong'. Is it just me, or is that a little like telling any homosexual they're only gay because 'Brokeback Mountain' just came out?
Bigfoot 'hysteria' is new, I thought it was only a 'fever'. Now I imagine locals running wildly into the streets with arms flailing and screaming incoherently... Fires and riots in the distance.

Personally, I definately think there would be an increase in US interest and research if/when any compelling evidence comes from Malaysia. There could be a "Hey! We had him first, didn't we?!" type of mentality to it. Everyone would want to cash in, it would be bigger than Terry Schiavo.
Blackbear
Here's a drawing of a bigfoot with throat sac(third drawing with mouth open).
Click to view attachment
bipto
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Skeptics have noted that the timing of the Bigfoot sighting coincides with the release of Peter Jackson's movie "King Kong" in cinemas of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

What the frack does that have to do with anything!? If the locals were suddenly seeing 50-foot silverback gorillas, then that'd be one thing, but bigfoot? And have these same skeptics looked into whether or not the locals were seeing these things prior to the movie's release?

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Further, the idea of a wild Bigfoot in the forests could help attract ecotourists to the country which has seen a drop in tourism since 2001.

If that was the case, the PNW would be crawling with 'ecotourists'. And where is the line drawn between 'ecotourist' and 'nut case who believes in bigfoot'?

Cool! I'm and ecotourist! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
Huntster
QUOTE(GloriousKyle @ Feb 5 2006, 12:00 PM) *
...Bigfoot 'hysteria' is new, I thought it was only a 'fever'. Now I imagine locals running wildly into the streets with arms flailing and screaming incoherently... Fires and riots in the distance...


Just more wonderful news reporting opportunities, just like the sighting reports.

Seems to me the only folks getting excited are the mass media types, yet (like you note) they can't write anything without the standard skeptical pokes, prods, and denials.

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....Personally, I definately think there would be an increase in US interest and research if/when any compelling evidence comes from Malaysia......


No doubt about that. It will be the newest and grandest biological and anthropological circus of all time. Finally big money will get involved in North America, and there will be a great race to be the first here.

The best part is that the worst of the today's denialists are eliminating themselves from the bandwagon today. The more they talk today, the less they will be listened to after discovery.
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