Hi:

I posted this at the WCS.com website, but was so enthalled with my own writing I thought I would post it here.

---Especially after the downtime of the BFF, and that ole lesson of what was taken for granted, and then disappears.

DR
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My name is DR:

I stumbled upon the site when the BFF rose back from the ashes of its downtime.

Some of you may be acquainted with some posts of mine, but I'll spill out where I come from regarding BF, like it or not. I hope you respect my reasons for being such:

If a person posts an account of an experience with a BF type critter, the forum should afford ample opportunity to allow such a claimant to express him- or herself's account in order for a fair evaluation of such claim to be permitted. Because of the unknown nature of this subject, a claim by an individual is worth evaluating as thoroughly as can be practical if such claim appears to be made in good faith. We may have our own experiences and ideas, but discounting others based on a limited personal experience prohibits the evaluation of all avaliable evidence or accounting.

I believe good faith posters in the past on the BFF have been driven off simply because their personality was unable to cope with sometime vehement attacks on the claim made and the unfair personal indictments made against the poster's character.

Any BF enthusiast is in no position to judge, because the critter is still quite unknown as to its true nature.

Flesh and blood? Biologically definable?

We assume so.

We don't know so, however.

I'm not here to hijack a forum with my views even if I have no such views; I just hope that this forum can be a little more amenable to some person('s) (s') experience which we did not have the luxury of encountering.

Thanks!

DR

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DR

People come and people go - but the whining never stops.

I'll be perfectly clear up front and say I don't believe for a moment that the animal we're all discussing here is anything but an animal. More interesting and rare than my dog for sure, but no more able to perform transformations, disappear, or communicate telepathically (though likely better at sitting and shaking hands). In my view, anyone who thinks this animal can do anything "out of the ordinary" really isn't in this for the scientific discovery it represents and is really just looking for another outlet for their unique world view. Let me also be perfectly clear that there is nothing inherently wrong with holding these opinions whatsoever. It takes all kinds, after all, and, in the eyes of most of the people out there, what I believe and what the shapeshifting crowd believes is basically the same thing, so I can at least empathize with them and stop short of throwing stones at their glass tree stands.

All that being said, nowhere is it written that this community needs to find room for those whose beliefs are so at odds with their own.* Some will be more polite than others about it, but at the end of the day, those who wish to espouse supernatural points of view (or even say that since we don't know they can't read our minds, we should still leave room for the possibility) will eventually find this is not a calm sanctuary. In fact, they should save their fingertips and find another board. There are other places on the net (get it? NET?) where they will find those with similar points of view. There, they should feel free to say whatever they want about those they left behind here. We'll feel free to do the same.


* Of course, this only works on the micro level. I'm not saying society in general should not make room for those with points of view divergent from the dominant paradigm. This, however, is not society in general. It is a relatively small internet discussion board and what's good for the country or world in general isn't necessarily what's good for a few hundred folks just looking for a diversion from the spouse and kids.

And if after evaluating it its still found to be a pile of crap? Then what? More claims that there "are no expert"s and "no one knows for sure? How do you even know how limited or how all encompasing the ideas and experiences of those discounting your claim are? There are several scientists and other proffesionals involed in bigfoot research who investigate other matter daily and have done so all thier lives. Some of them are the same people discounting some of these crackpot theories and ideas. There are also a good many people that have been "enthusuasts" regarding the bigfoot phenomena all thier lives, so how exactly is that a lack of experience on thier part? Because they don't believe someone for the simple fact that they apply skepticism and real life skills and knowledge to solving the mystery or debating the facts? You don't want to be judged and yet you're asking for "slack" while judging others who think of bigfoot in a bilogical sense or the fact they don't happen to support every shadow or sound in the woods as being bigfoot realted. Fairly hippocritical dont you think? Alot were driven off , simply because thier claim was s**t, plain and simple. It was a lie,hoax or simply a fabrication of thier imagination because they wanted to believe. Its easy to blast the more skeptical among us because of the nature of the word skepticism in itself as it applies to bigfoot. Keep your mind open to that as well eh? We assume so because every other creature that walks the face of the earth exists in a biological sense. It has less to do with assumption than common sense. And yes there are many who are in a position to judge because of the same experience that you were previously stating applied only to the open minded side of this phenomena. You want us to assume in some way that bigfoot arent biological or flesh and blood? Can you name me one other creature on the planet that isn't ? While were at it shall we call into question wether most of wahat is termed 'life' is not carbon based ? May as well go there too right? After all we're opening out minds and all that. You've said that like three times in one post, and sorry to say it but for many of us when we see crap.we're gonna say its crap before it gets any deeper.

Y g ys sh ld l y ff ll th s wh ck jbs nd l t th m xpr ss th r p n ns, f r cry ng t l d. Wh r w ld w b w th t th s ns ghtf ll nd v d ls wh r nt fr d t xpr ss th r v ws?

Sorry about that last post. I got magic rock dust on all of the vowels on the keyboard.

Man, I really need that decoder ring now...

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Sombody got a paper towel so I can clean the diet coke off the screen??

My mind remains open to even the very remote possibility; that being said, I do not accept the supposition Bigfoot has the capability of inter-dimensional travel, invisibility or shape-shifting. It is difficult to get science to accept the evidence of Bigfoot's existence, without adding far more esoteric characteristics to this creature.

Hey, ain't that Jiminese?

Yes, it takes all kinds.... To me it's all about the odds. Where else in history has it been proven that things people claim to see are from another dimension or shape shift? It's fun for some to talk about, but why waste time on it? Another way to look at it is there is an infinite number of possible paranormal explanations, but only one physical explanation, yet to be discovered. It takes discipline to separate the two.

lol

.... --- .-.. -.-- / -.-. .-. .- .--. next thing ya know he'll be conversing in morse!!

RayG

MG! ctlly gt tht! Dmnt! Kp yr mgc rck dst t yrslf!

Iff yu keepe un pickin on meee Il'l take uway yur pixii dustt, sshl.

I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat.

To think that a creature who eats, poops, leaves tracks and other spore, is anything more than just another furry woodland creature, is chasing The White Rabbit. Its better to sit on a toadstool with the Worm and toke his hookah.


"Drink this".

drstd t t, bt ddn't wnt t spl t fr nyn ls, s ddn't trnslte t t nglsh.

Mrc.

Minds, like parachutes, only function when open.

But when you open that chute and there's a hole in it so big that you could drive a truck through, you're gonna drop just as fast as if you never pulled the rip cord.


When a statement is non-falsifiable, it does not become "evidence" we need to evaluate, it simply moves the debate outside the realm of scientific inquiry. Our entire known universe may be floating in some pink goo in a crystal on the collar of some intergalactic cat. We can't prove that's not the case, but there's no sense in discussing it if we can't make falsifiable statements about such a claim.


I see this forum as a place of scientific inquiry, i.e., evaluating testable hypotheses regarding the existence of sasquatch-like creatures. Post an idea as an "If . . . then" statement, and I'm sure it would be evaluated with open minds.

But a mind that's too open is not a parachute - it's a tattered piece of rip-stop nylon flapping in a hurricane . . .

It's pretty damn close.............lol

I think the my main problem is that these people with these crazy theories like to at like they're superior one the things they claim are based off handful of strange accounts. The expection being the fear wave which can just as easily be explained the type of shock a person gets from encountering an unknown spieces.

I've been getting my lunch eaten at the JREF forum for a month or so relating to sasquatch. That is a gang of radical skeptics over there. Even without mention of paranormal activities, many of those folks simply reject the possibility of an unknown primate in today's world (which, in my opinion, is close minded, not skeptical).

Despite being literally ganged up on, I'd answer charges and questions as best I could until the negativity was simply too much to bear.

If you think this crowd is tough, I dare you to go over there and suggest transmutation, invisibility, dimensional travel, and other such sasquatch "abilities".

Slack-jawed open-mindedness can only lead to one thing: somebody's brain eventually falling out onto the floor.

*plop* There goes another one!

-Ray

Wow those people are wasting there lives I mean spending free time on message board talking about what you believe is impossible and why and I'm not talking about a single theory I' m the entire concept of cryptozology and any sort spirituality or the supernatural.

There appears to be a double standard regarding the definition of the word "believe" over there.

What they believe is science. What you believe is foolish faith.

Pssssttt Huntster -- trying to take on the JREF all by yourself? You are a BRAVE GUY... LOL.

LMAO!!!!!!!!

Pretty damn close!!!!

Not brave. I'm stupid.

I'm pretty good in brawls. Just keep swinging, and they at least have to be careful when they come close for the kill.

Are you from the .net version of this forum like Artslave is?

LMAO Huntster - your not stupid - you get points for hanging out there. I went there once and kinda looked around, decided I just didnt want to "go there" and didnt even register.. LOL. Your much braver than I am..

I have a high regard for Native American beliefs and I trully feel
they know more about Sasquatch than any other group, - even more
so than modern day bigfoot researchers. They talk often of unusual
abilities which I think get dismissed much too often.

Who, me?

Just because something hasn't been proven wrong, doesn't mean it's a possibility until it is proven wrong.

Do you understand what this means? If something has not been proven wrong yet, that does not mean that there is still a possibility for it's existence.

So to say that Bigfoot is invisible and interdimensional, etc. just because no one has disproven the theory is unscientific because it hasn't been proven true either.

To be or not to be, that is the question.

O.K...here's my theory....
Not only is Bigfoot interdimensional...he's also interdenominational.
And not only can he shape-shift....he also drives a standard and can shift gears like you dream about... :-)

Hi Bipto et al:

I understand completely regarding the forum and the generally held belief here of the nature of BF/Sasquatch. I agree with the right to keep the forum in line with its prevailing viewpoint.

I guess what I was getting at was the Fred Beck interview and the accompanying exposition of his other encounters and his beliefs regarding BF/Sas hold any merit. Did he say those things, really?

That's bizarre, but it's also a BF classic account. So in my mind, I said whoa, wassup. That's the story along with Artslave's posts that led me to warrant a little more attention to an aspect of BF I would have normally brushed aside as really true fiction unless I had not read it and not heard anyone condemning it.

I've had one person close to me reveal in confidence an encounter with a flying saucer and another that a loved one returned looking 40 years younger to comfort a grieving daughter and disappearing. These seemingly improbable accounts were nevertheless conveyed with a conviction that only the bonds of friendship permit. No monetary compensation was gained, but perhaps another experience of reality not encountered by me but by others I trust implicitly was added to the brew in consideration of what might be possible in life.

I'm in no way making a demand to open up the forum to a subject most feel is simply nuts. I just thought that since I had found the Fred Beck account and Artslave's story of the Spottsville Monster rather compelling, that perhaps others might have said, okay, there might be room for it here in this forum.

No big deal if there isn't. That's why Baskins-Robbins had 31 flavors and still might not have had the one you felt like having because B-R may have hated it. But, you got a great tasting treat anyway while there.

So too with the BFF.

Thanks, and a heated thread is a flavor they always do have here ready for me.

DR

If bf is a shape-shifting, interdimensional, brought to earth by UFOs, able to become invisible at the clack of a rock, mind reading creature, then wouldn't it stand to reason that none would have ever been seen? Oh wait I forgot, reason has nothing to do with their argument.

Jaylee:

You're completely misunderstood.

That argument makes no sense. I would put the argument another way, but I would have to go to another forum to do so.

If I believed in the argument.

As can be noted from the magic rock powder thread that I failed to view prior to starting this thread, although this forum may lay claim to scientific research, it oftentimes is at its most entertaining without it.

DR

I am half watching American Idol and reading these posts.
D R reminds me of those contestants who sing off key and get the words wrong but - because they are so enamoured with themselves - can't understand why the judges say they have no talent .

Hi Rockinkt:

You're always one of my favorite posters.

DR

I don't have talent. But, I'm hedging my bets that they don't know what talent is.

Never know, I might win.

DR




Anyone else want to bump up against the best mind this forum has ever seen?

LOL!

DR

DarkRabbit's non-sequiters aside, I just can't understand why some people think that they have the right to express any half-baked--or fully baked, for that matter--opinion and not expect to get called on it. I can only surmise that they know all too well and don't care because it's all about them.

Well I know a very similar situation that has more believers than non... or at least that's what the Pope says anyways. I am a Christian, though you will never hear me preach about it because I do not believe that it needs to be forced onto people, if you want to believe fine, if not that's cool too, I'll still have a beer with ya

But some of this stuff seems to be all of the Art Bell shows wrapped up into one creature. Invisible... can we say Predator. Interdimensional... Stargate. Rock dust to make you invisible… ok that is a new one, but I am sure there is a movie like that somewhere. Oh I know, maybe Bigfoot has a cloak of invisibility… D&D

My theory is this creature is just very aware of who and what is around it, and it is also very fast, nocturnal, eat their meat, fish and veggies, and bury their dead.

I need a BS meter like Stoney

On this forum, I would hope that no one can come on and do what you're describing without being called for it. And that goes for any observation or declaration of fact regarding these animals, not just the something related to the interdimensional crowd.

No, the guy who started the thread. Sounds similar to the one that artslave started about chewing rock for invisibility. That\'s BFF.net country.

BTW, nice to see the emoticons back!







More to the point, if he can fly a damn spaceship, why can\'t he/she/it put some clothes on??!!

I'll surely cut someone some slack - if they can back up thier points with evidence, or at the very least, a fair dose of logic.
To come up and claim that Bigfoot can turn invisible by eating the powder of two rocks is - quite frankly - a little absurd. Especially when they cannot explain how this is done, and how could a Bigfoot (or any other creature/person for that matter) could possibly see with invisible eyes. It is just not possible.
I'll read any theory out there - but to get me to buy into it, you have to have some kind of basis for it other than fantasy.

Ummm... you wouldn't happen to have feet that look like THIS would ya?



RayG

OMG it's the FEET! :ohmy:

:biggrin:

See, that's what I've been telling people for years. I'm completely misunderstood. :new_medieval:






:new_tonguesmiley:

I'm so sick and tired hearing of hearing this sh*t. :anim_horse:

Won't these people get a friggin clue and pound sand? Now excuse me while I teleport myself to the head to take a leak.......... :icon_abduct:

I think it's possible that they are...intuitive.
A little background info, here before I say why I think this.
I have lived here for 6 years, & until this past spring, the strange noises & 'goings-on", didn't add up, because I didn't think it was likely that BF exists, or at least, not here. That is probably the main reason that they are able to remain undiscovered as much as they do. People just don't think about them actually being out there, so when they hear or see something, they think "bear", or "panther," or "I'm going crazy", or "anything but bigfoot".
Last winter, a friend showed me an article in a local paper about BF sightings in this immediate area, & it mentioned texasbigfoot.com. It said that there have been two reported sightings within 2 or 3 miles of where I live. :doh:
Then, in May, I heard "the howl", & recognized it for what it was.
Now, for the reason I think they may be intuitive.
It is almost like it knows that I know that it is here. It comes around more often & makes noises that I've never heard before. A couple of times in the last week, something has hit the side of the house at night. Then, today, I read this & realized who it might be that whistles out in the pasture at night.
Or maybe I'm just letting my imigination run wild.
I don't know....

I'm sure you meant to say "...for what it may have been..."

Right? :wink: