Im highlighting some areas that caught my eye.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ARS...LTAM&SECTION=US


Interesting huh?

Very. It would have been nice if they had a quote or two from the guard. Like a description of what 'kind' of people he saw.

I have been to a chemical depot in eastern oregon many of times for work,those places you just don't walk onto, there are many secutity checks, undoubtfully what ever it was had to be very elusive.

That "Arsenal Chief" is probably right...

Bigfoot is wildlife, after all...

Well, its interesting and Im not one given to wild speculation, but CMON!! The guy was less than 200 feet away from well lit subjects...3 "individuals on foot" and he somehow made some kind of mistake in determining whether or not they were people? And nevermind the fact that he was praised about the detail of his report. I would seriously love to dig into this a bit further. If anyone is in that area, can you try to find out more?

Great not bigfoot's are boosting chemical weopons so the myth busters will leave them alone.

Seriously though, I don't think that is a report we will ever be able to see unless is just "happens" to find it's way onto the net. Wouldn't that be cool though, a government document stating there were bigfoot.

I'd feel more comfortable knowing it was a bigfoot instead of a terrorist

...wonder if there were cameras?
Maybe they're on tape!

c'mon now, in his vehicle? He could of been up on them in no time flat, something ain't stirring the kool-aid. I am surprised they even released an article about unknown intruders in a secure area where chemical weapons are being stored.

Good point, when i was working on the site at the umatilla chemical depot a operating engineer was jogging on his lunch break, there was a change in guards that week who did not know said jogger and had him surrounded in seconds w/ three humvees with heavy arsenol pointed at him , Makes me kind of wonder what kind of creatures could give the slip to a extremely tactiful operation.

This article reminds me of an article written by Douglas E. Trapp regarding sightings at Edward's Air Force Base. Trapp had made a visit to Edward's Air Force Base for some research. I believe he had gotten word that some BF activity was taking place. While there, there was military personnel who told him tales of BF's getting inside secure areas and that they had been instructed to leave them alone. He was told of several episodes with BF and that destruction on the base had even been committed by the bf's. There most certainly was film footage, but you had to have clearance to see them. Trapp was even told of some UFO experiences, but Trap stated in his article that he wasn't there to look into UFO's so wasn't interested in hearing about them to any great degree. I don't know how Trapp gained access to this air force base and was able to gather this information.

By the way, I had kept the link to this article by Douglas E. Trapp and for some reason my links don't work anymore. I went to Trapp's website and tried the links on his website and they just plain don't work anymore. I shall try locating it another way through internet searches or contact Trapp himself to see if he can steer me to his article. It was quite interesting.

Now that is really interesting, makes you wonder how intellegent these creatures really are.

Glaringly missing, I agree. But then if some forest service personnel are allegedly ordered to clam up,...

Rule #1, never believe any information the military puts out in press releases. They will misdirect all the time. Most likely there was 3 people that got in there at the lowest point of security, maybe kids, maybe not, and the guard was alone and didn't persue. Called in the report and by the time backup came they were gone. Coverup, because they don't want the public to know this is possible or how often this may happen. But, there is the possiblilty this was something they can't explain...

You betcha. If these intruders were indeed of the Sas persuasion, then it would certainly seem to credit gold stars to the species' intelligence-n-cleverness index, meshing rather neatly with their reportedly elusive woodland practices, etc. Again,...if. Too bad there aren't more details,...but then it kinda figures.

Totally;...we could really use "WorldNetDaily" here, I think. Or at least "Fox News". BTW, just as an aside, WorldNetDaily just so happens to be based here, in Grants Pass. Go figure <shrug>.

Bingo, nick. I'm wondering how and why the Associated Press got wind of this.

I'd suspect a fantastic story got talked about around town (3 Bigfeet in the weapons depot), a Pine Bluff newspaper reporter started asking questions, got these factual (but elusive) statements, and the AP read between the lines (just like we're doing).

Also, there is absolutely no description of the "wildlife", or attempt to state what species they were.



Have any of you ever heard anybody refer to bears or deer as "individuals on foot"?

Very interesting article, indeed.

No Footprints,, what about hair left on the barbwire fence and you better believe there's one all around this place!!!!!

Crew Chief

I wonder why the Colonel would have no doubt that the officer saw something, and how he would know it wasn't human?

Wouldn't it have been easier to say something else?

Like, "We neither confirm or deny a security breach at the facility. No further comment."

you would think an area like this would be fenced off so animals,or bigfoot,or anybody couldnt get in there.

The not human comment was so the press wouldn't freak out over a terrorists threat here!!!!

Crew Chief

PS This ain't an open post basic training area,, there's a barbed wire fence there, you can bet on it!!!!!!!!!!!

Pine Bluff is about 90 minutes from me. I called Rep. Mike Ross this morning, but got a recording. I left a message to see if he has further comments about this. His comments in the following article really didn't make much sense IMO, and I'd like to know why he compares this possible security breach with someone scaling the fence at the White House. It really disturbs me that the press would be so quick to put into print what is actually stored at the arsenal. If the bad guys were wondering, all they have to do is pick up a paper. This is from my local paper this morning.

"Colonel says animals may have intruded at Pine Bluff Arsenal

LITTLE ROCK (AP) - The commander of the Pine Bluff Arsenal, which increased security after a guard reported seeing three unauthorized people at a chemical weapons depot, said Thursday no one intruded at the post and that the guard may have seen animals near the hazardous cache.

"There's no doubt in my mind that the officer saw something, but it wasn't human," Col. Brian S. Lindamood said in an interview. "At this time, I have no idea what it could be. It could have been wildlife, it could have been wild imagination." The arsenal encloses 13,000 acres, some wooded. Lindamood said the officer was patrolling in a vehicle inside a 500-acre secure section of the arsenal where chemical weapons, including nerve agents, are stored. Last year the arsenal began destroying the weapons.

"He reported that he saw three individuals on foot inside the (secure area) and when he approached in his vehicle, they ran into the woods," he said. Lindamood said the guard was between 70 and 165 feet away at the time. The area is brightly lit, he said.

Dog teams and law enforcement officers combed the area but found no footprints or other evidence of human intruders, he said. The guard showed no signs of intoxication or sleep-deprivation, he said, and won't face any disciplinary measures.

"Absolutely not," Lindamood said. "In fact, he was commended for the promptness of his report, for the detail contained in his report, and for his diligence in following up until his backup arrived." The incident was first reported late Tuesday and considered cleared Wednesday afternoon he said.

U.S. Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., who represents Pind Bluff, said he wasn't disturbed by the report of the intruders at the arsenal. "No, not at all," he said. "I mean look, we've had people scale the fence at the White House, which consists of a few acres. We're talking about an area here that consists of 13,000 acres."

Arsenal officals did not say how they heightened security, but guards were seen checking vehicles that left the post, including some under the hoods. The aresenal is incinerating its 3,850 tons of chemical weapons to comply with an international treaty, said spokeswoman Raini Wright. The stockpile includes the nerve agent GB, alson known as sarin. Other chemicals in the stockpile include the nerve agent VX and two types of mustard gas, a blister agent.

The deadly chemicals are contained in land mines, rockers and bulk containers, she said. So far, 34,207 rockets filled with sarin have been destroyed. The incineration process is expected to last until at least 2010 she said."

And, from the Arkansas Democrat Gazette:
http://www.ardemgaz.com/_NewAuthLogin.asp?...tion%3DArkansas
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I find it wierd as heck that in all the articles I've read, it's mentioned that the guard won't be disciplined.

The gaurds at the USMC base, A.S.A. Quantico VA were ordered not to talk about the critter they saw. A.S.A. = ammunition storage area. see John Green's book or Bigfootencounters.com for the state of VA

How peculiar, Jay. It also doesn't mention whether these non-human animals were walking on 2 legs or 4.

Bigfoot and chemical weapons.. who woulda thunk it?








<I jest of course>

Hmmm...this is VERY interesting. The guard apparently saw "three individuals on foot", yet the officials are now saying these weren't humans, and quite possibly animals? What 'animal'(besides a human) runs away "on foot", as in on two legs? So the guard just imagined that he saw three people running away, or(according to the way the officials are making it out) maybe he really saw the three bears out searching for Goldielocks? Are we sure this guard doesn't go by the name GreenRogue, and these were three eight-foot-tall raccoons running away from him on two legs? And why would security be heightened like it has if they're now sure it "wasn't human" and "It could have been wildlife, it could have been wild imagination"? Somethin' aint addin' up here...

Good work J, and thank you for bringing this to our attention. All joking aside, this really is a very interesting situation. Please keep us posted if you here anything back from the Representatives office.

You can read the article on www.bigfootencounters.com . For some reason, I can't paste the link, but go to the site then sightings then california and the edwards airforce base ones are there... they're good

In order for the press to have gotten this story, somebody leaked. Apparently, they can't pin the leak on the guard; that's why he won't face disciplinary measures.

Interesting story, indeed.

When they called for the dogs at Little Rock AFB,, a leak was inevitable.. Are there any reported sightings close to this place???

Crew Chief

I find it wierd as heck that in all the articles I've read, it's mentioned that the guard won't be disciplined.
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For clarification purposes, what is it exactly that you find weird: the fact the guard won't be disciplined or should be disciplined?
Or that the idea of discipline was brought up at all?

Thanks

Wonder if this place has a use of deadly force derective??????

Crew Chief

The witness is repeatedly referred to as "officer".

It makes it sound like contracted security, not a soldier.

There was a time when I was stationed at Camp Lejune ,when several of us off duty,went into the "field testing area" it was off limits but there were still half a dozen of us making our way in there late in the day and up until dark and avoiding the routing patrols that came through the area.

Could it be as simple as some of the personas stationed there doing the same? I know the guard said otherwise ( regarding ,animals not human) but how well lighted is the area really and is the distance he made his observation at accurate?

Something about this smells and I don't think its a bigfoot.

Area 51 has private security also, I don't think that matters on how they would deal with this...

Crew Chief

I just find it wierd that the idea of discipline was brought up at all. Should have been clear about that...sorry.

Unless he was away from the area when he should have been there, I can't imagine why he would be disciplined.

It's very speculative to declare the intruders as sasquatches.

But the words used to describe the incident are sure interesting, and the mere presence of the story in the news adds to the wonder.

http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1492498.php

There are a few reports in counties near Jefferson County for 2005 in the BFRO database. None reporting multiple animals.

In a secure area like this you have rings of security. The first ring surrounds the 13,000 acres. And is probibly nothing more and a chainlink and barbwire topped fence. They do not flush out the animals in these woods, but let them be. The reason some secure areas have over population problems with deer. But when you get in close to the "stuff" security tightens up a lot. Just like nearby at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation to us. Then you have multiable fences, and a lot more guards. Up to croc infested moats. So the outer areas are pretty well left to themselfs, with occasionable road patrols.
As far as naming the chemicals at the base, public disclosure is required under the Chemical Weapons Treaty. More than likely there is a team of Russian officers there to check off each weapon as it is destroyed. Same way there would be American officers in the old Soviet Union doing the same.
I am surprised that there has been so much info released to the public. Normally when something unexplained happens - No Comment is the normal responce. Easier to say No Comment than have to face the media and explaine exactly what went on.
As for as the security man, it sounds like he did the right thing. Contacted headquarters, wait for backup and then gave a full report. We probibly will not hear from him. But when they brought in outsiders, the chance of word getting out on exactly what they were looking for will be greater.

Just visited the arsenal's website. There's pictures of the chemical storage areas and you can see barbed wire fences with concertina wire on top!!!! Nobody got in there and I'll bet my social security checks on that one!!!! When I'm old enough to recieve them that is??? Ha, Ha!!!!

Crew Chief

PS Jaylee,, maybe in the interest of National Security you should SCRATCH this thread!!! I've got a bad feeling about talking about this stuff on the WWW..............

Here are two more links to the AP article at the top of this thread.
ABC news and MSNBC

Well Tug,, scratch my last statement,, its a little to late for that ain't it??

Crew Chief

Another thing I find wierd is this distance report. 165 - 70 = 95 feet. IMO that's a pretty large variance in distance. Gawd I'd love to talk to that guard. ;-)

They don't need a warrant to search our site. It's all right out in the open... no hidden code.

A non-military name this time:

All of the high security places I've ever been around (Bangor Naval Ordinance Facility, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard, & Keyport Naval Weapons Reasearch Facility) that dealt with NBC weaponry had that directive for "inner perimeter" areas.

IMHO, it sounds like these "intruders" were in an outer perimeter area. Not near the weapons, but within the fence. Also, lone guards are almost always instructed to call in a report, call for back-up, and then keep the intruders under observation until the back-up arrives.

That is most likely the case.Most bases nowadays have private security as the soldiers or marines are busy
in a shithole called Iraq.If God was going to give the world an enema he would stick in Bagdad and yes that is from personal experince.
Also what I found most interesting is most of the articles said no footprints or "other" evidence for "human"
involvement.

glendoor,, Welcome Home Brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crew Chief

This is wonderful news! Now that Bigfoot is trying acquire WMD, Bush will send in the Army to capture him. Looks like the mystery is about to be solved!!!


Just some random thoughts on some of the questions being raised. These are based on personal experience with related facilities.

1. The Arsenal has been known to have chemical weapons for a long time. At least since the 80's and I think that I was aware of it growing up in Arkansas in the 60s/70's.

2. Facilities like this do have multiple rings of security. The first would be a 8-12 foot high chain link fence topped by razor wire. Also, probably multiple hidden cameras and intrusion sensors.

3. Guards are hired from private companies. They are given the OK to shoot to kill only if their lives are in danger or if there appears to be a chance that actual chemical agents are about to be lost. Most time they are to prevent the escape of the intruders if possible.

4. It is interesting that this made the press at all. Someone in the area could talk to the individual to see if he could provide more information. Just remember, he could not say anything that would expose or jepordize security measures in effect. And believe me, the measures have increased since the incident. Unless this is some sort of covert excercise designed to accomplish who knows what...

5. Trapp's story on Edwards AFB should still be on Bobbie Short's site. Have not been there in a while, but it used to be out there.



Anyone, GoogleEarth'ed the site yet? Probably in the low res part of the country.

Thanks,I been home about a year,but am still damn glad to be here.

Yeah, I looked at it on google earth.You can see the town and the base but the image starts to lose resolution at about 500 feet and at an altitude of about 18,000.It was kind of hard to tell what was what.It kind of gives you a real respect for the NSA and DOD guys in the 50's and 60's who could make heads or tails out of images this high up.