I just returned from a trip to the White Mountains in New Hampshire, and along the way I stared out the window looking into the forests. During the 2 hours trip I must've seen 100-200 examples of tree falls, trees broken and leaning on other trees, x-formations, tree trunks bent over in arches, brush burrows, and the like.
This drove me nuts because unless Sasquatch is very active along the edges of the highways from Massachusetts all the way to North Conway, then there is alot of this type of occurrence in nature, period. They looked identical to what can be found as "evidence" on many Bigfoot sights.
Someone please educate me on the difference between what I saw and what people see that is attributed to Bigfoot. As I believe in the existence of them but I am thinking that alot of people attribute things to BF that are common in nature.
Full Version: Tree Breaks, X Formations
Well, there's ice storms, wind, moose and deer, bears, all manner of other causes for messed up trees.
Bear in mind the edge of a wood is more exposed to weather than the middle of one, such that a greater degree of havoc might be wreaked on it by wind and ice storms.
Without getting up close and seeing how they broke, and when they broke, there's not a lot you can say, apart from there's a lot of broken trees.
Also I bet at least a couple might have been caused by wayward vehicles.
Flash.
Bear in mind the edge of a wood is more exposed to weather than the middle of one, such that a greater degree of havoc might be wreaked on it by wind and ice storms.
Without getting up close and seeing how they broke, and when they broke, there's not a lot you can say, apart from there's a lot of broken trees.
Also I bet at least a couple might have been caused by wayward vehicles.
Flash.
getting alot closer to questioned branches would help!!!! also tree twists are very obvious... 
QUOTE(caledon35 @ Dec 26 2005, 06:27 PM)
Someone please educate me on the difference between what I saw and what people see that is attributed to Bigfoot. As I believe in the existence of them but I am thinking that alot of people attribute things to BF that are common in nature.
I think you know the answer. It's okay to admit, even if only to yourself.
The truth is, your last sentence is dead on. In the abscence of supporting evidence--i.e. tracks, DNA, visual confirmation--there's no reason to believe that bigfoot have anything to do with tree or limb breaks and other 'formations'.
In one of the "stills" in the Extras section of SLMS there's a picture of a tree limb that was broken by twisting, not snapping, along with the comment that it would take tremendous strength to do that. I think just because 99% (say) of broken limbs or other suspicious tree bends can be accounted for, that shouldn't mean the whole matter can be dismissed.
This is especially important because there is a new Australian technique for lifting fingerprints from wood, and a new Canadian technique for inexpensively extracting DNA from fingerprints. (I've posted articles on them here, and linked to them a couple of times--a search should locate them.) If a dog can detect a Bigfoot odor on such a twist (as evidenced by an unusual reaction to it), or if there is other supporting evidence, then this would be a great way to clinch the case for BF--with DNA evidence, as Daegling has called upon us believers to do.
This is especially important because there is a new Australian technique for lifting fingerprints from wood, and a new Canadian technique for inexpensively extracting DNA from fingerprints. (I've posted articles on them here, and linked to them a couple of times--a search should locate them.) If a dog can detect a Bigfoot odor on such a twist (as evidenced by an unusual reaction to it), or if there is other supporting evidence, then this would be a great way to clinch the case for BF--with DNA evidence, as Daegling has called upon us believers to do.
QUOTE(RogerKni @ Dec 27 2005, 06:00 AM)
In one of the "stills" in the Extras section of SLMS there's a picture of a tree limb that was broken by twisting, not snapping, along with the comment that it would take tremendous strength to do that. I think just because 99% (say) of broken limbs or other suspicious tree bends can be accounted for, that shouldn't mean the whole matter can be dismissed.
The biggest problem with that is there is normally nothing used as scale for the size of the actual break or twist in question. Most "men" can actually break a prety significantly sized branch by twisting it. its the easiest way to do so on green wood. Earlier this year Nightwing also posted pictured of trees that were broken by deer some were done so by twisting and at a height of 5- 6 feet.
If any one has re -read "bigfootprints" by Krantz recently .. You may also want to check the part where Titmus had told him that he could accomplish the same himself or with the aid of another man.
The text on the LMS "still" reads, "Branches this thick require an enormous amount of force to twist like this." However, the photo was taken without a ruler or other scale marker included, a sign of the amateurism of our field. The branch looked a couple of inches thick, FWIW.
Here's something I posted almost exactly two years ago (12/28/03), indicating that some branch-twists would be hard to do:
Here's something I posted almost exactly two years ago (12/28/03), indicating that some branch-twists would be hard to do:
QUOTE(RogerKni @ Dec 28 2003, 10:30 PM)
QUOTE(Don Monroe @ Sasquatch 2001," pp. 52-55)
Monty and I, in 1974, discovered strange huge foot tracks in the snow .... The tracks were very fresh .... Snow was falling steadily ....
We followed the tracks to a tree on the trail where something had stopped and literally ripped a small [six-inch diameter] tree in half .... Then the top of the tree had been left to hand horizontal to the ground .... the tree split open to reveal its pith ....
The creature was aware that it was being followed. From that tree the animal had gone off the trail and over the steep embankment ....
We stood at the twisted tree in awe. "Well Monty, what do you think? Want to go down there after that?"
Using my knofe I shaved off the tree bark ... in the hopes that possibly the creature's hair could be left behind, stuck in the pine sap. Later, on examination, I found very fine reddish hairs--unlike any that I had as yet identified....
Monty is a very powerful man, standing all of seven feet tall, weighing easily three hundred pounds. He works "the green chain" at the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho saw mill and has hands of steel .... he decided to try at wrenching the tree.... twist as he could, not in the least was he able to break or twist the bark what-so-ever! ...
By grasping the tree top, and bending it over into the canyon, the animal had used the length of the extended tree to steady itself ....
It was obvious that it was not the first time that the creature had done this ....
We followed the tracks to a tree on the trail where something had stopped and literally ripped a small [six-inch diameter] tree in half .... Then the top of the tree had been left to hand horizontal to the ground .... the tree split open to reveal its pith ....
The creature was aware that it was being followed. From that tree the animal had gone off the trail and over the steep embankment ....
We stood at the twisted tree in awe. "Well Monty, what do you think? Want to go down there after that?"
Using my knofe I shaved off the tree bark ... in the hopes that possibly the creature's hair could be left behind, stuck in the pine sap. Later, on examination, I found very fine reddish hairs--unlike any that I had as yet identified....
Monty is a very powerful man, standing all of seven feet tall, weighing easily three hundred pounds. He works "the green chain" at the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho saw mill and has hands of steel .... he decided to try at wrenching the tree.... twist as he could, not in the least was he able to break or twist the bark what-so-ever! ...
By grasping the tree top, and bending it over into the canyon, the animal had used the length of the extended tree to steady itself ....
It was obvious that it was not the first time that the creature had done this ....
A twisted looking break can also be attributed to breaking a branch over your knee, then twisting it to separate the two pieces. I've done this myself making groundblinds. I think that there are just too many things that could cause "tree formations" and twisted breaks to really accept them as sign of a Sasquatch.
the tree twists i came across were obviously twisted. there was no snow, and they were not obstructing the path we found them by.
I was with nighthunter when we came upon the three tree twists. They were fresh and obvious. We had looked all day and came upon the usual breaks that are found in the forest and can most likely be attributed to natural causes. These twisted branches and trees were not natural and, contrary to other posts, it was not easy to duplicate. In fact we tried on a branch of the same type of tree of half the diameter. We could not do it. Keep looking, and if there are squatch in the area, I'm sure you will know it when you see the sign. I have pics and I believe I'll be able to post them after the moderators put me off of Newbie status. I guess you had to be there. The trees were just off to the side of a trail (on both sides) within 15 feet of each other and the prior growth direction before being twisted was not in the way of trail travel. Two twists previously grew straight up and the other limb previously grew in a direction away from the path. They are clearly twisted about three to five times.
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