I was talking to someone recently and was told that at an average 10 to 15 people come up missing in the wilderness in washington state. Some are never found again. Do u think that if found and food was scarce that sasquatch would view man as food???? chimps hunt and consume other monkeys, monkeys that are weaker and are viewed as prey. And since their are similarities to man and sasquatch(thought) are we viewed as prey when food is scarce and there is only one to two humans, far in the wilderness.... Not sure, just a thought. There was a report when a helicopter went down and the S&R team found some sasquatches eating the deceased crew... What do u think????

nighthunter I read a thread similar to this here that was started in 2004.

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4833&st=60


Definately something to think about.

Tonight I was listening to Fox News talking about the pregnant lady that her husband put out of the car 12 miles from nearest town in the cold and can not be found. I have to say the thought did cross my mind.

Now if a bigfoot would do this I do not know? But humans have before when forced to. There are several stories out there.

Bigfoot would never kick a woman out of his car 12 miles from town.

Yep, and I bet bigfoot would kick that idiot guy's ass for what he did to his own pregnant wife too.

Rather than blame her disappearance on Bigfoot, I'd think it's more likely that the guy just says that he put her out of the car, when actually he did something more sinister to her.

Possible... But... A lot of more common meat eaters would view a human as a ambulatory protein meal during lean times.

In the cases of missing persons, I would consider cougars, bears, coyotes, feral dogs, and even hypothermia before sasquatch.

I tend to agree that more people die from there own over confidence and lack of preparedness than any other factor. Simply getting wet can be enough to kill you on a 50 degree day if you don't know what to do. I may be presumptuous but I lean towards hypothermia as the main agent regarding the missing persons and wild animals and bigfoot much closer to the end of he list. Nearer to the top of the list I would place other humans as the cause.

Get lost, get wet, get cold, get hypotermia and die. There is something like 65 missing people in mount Rainier state park. About half are in a crashed marine transport but supposedly the park officials claim to know roughly where the rest are and expect at some point to recover the bodies.

I don't doubt that a sas may be capable of doing in a human for food. I just think if it was an obvious first choice then we would have more contact with them and they wouldn't be so shy seeming.

ok, so maybe when a human is seen out in the deep wilderness and a sasq. is hungry then we would not equal food. but, the food we are packing might lead to being followed and our food could be targeted. or if a human does succumb to the weather then maybe we could be viewed as food.... just a thought

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...=9834&hl=alaska

It's easy to get dead out there.

The "clean-up" species are numerous. There is no need of sasquatches for this biological niche.

There is a chain of events.
Human dies.
Human remains decompose.
Acts as ferilizer for plant growth.
Plant growth attracts deer.
Sasquatch kills deer and picks out the liver to eat.

I believe that in the ways of natures' code of survival, we cannot dismiss any such possibility. Humans are consider as prey by other carnivors and it would not be too much of a stretch to consider that in hard times, a sasquatch might also use humans as a food source.

THANK U HG HUNTER- yes it is possible. anything is possible when dealing with something WE ALL SPECULATE ON. HUNSTER- u sound like an honest and knowledgeable person....

Honest:

I try.

Knowledgeable:

I'm learning.

Util we know more about this animal we need to consider this a wild and dangerous animal, because of its speed, power and cunning. When you invade the territory of any animal there is a certain amount of risk. There are times animals are more aggressive than others, mating periods, birthing seasons, injured and hunger.

I don’t think that man would be a regular target for a BF, but under adverse conditions when food supplies are scarce old BF can’t just run down to the golden arches for a quick lunch!!!!!! :surrender:

Very humble admission hunster.

Washington isn't the only place where people go missing. Some, no way to know for certain how many, fall victim to human crime. Others, and there are more than we would like to believe, cannot be attributed to any normal conspiracy or circumstance.

In 92, Ken Coon, a former Captain of the L.A. County Sheriff's Department accompanied me to the site of my most important Sasquatch encounter to investigate what had taken place. During that visit, he told me a very intriging story concerning a missing 10 or 12 year old boy that happened in his county. I do not recall the year right now. Apparently the boy, and his father were out hiking an old logging road when the boy rounded a curve in the road some 100 yards ahead of his father. When the father rounded the curve, he began yelling for his son to return and searched for him frantically when there was no reply. Afet several hours of frantic searching, the father returned to town and called the S.O.

Dogs were brought to the scene and followed the boys scent for approximately 50 yards where the scent led into the forest off of the roadway. There, the dogs began to act "funny" and would not continue to track. Ken advised me that even now, he greatly suspected sasquatch as the reason the boy went missing and was never found.

I personally offer no opinion on this incident. I proffer it here as it was told to me, and Ken, back then, had been investigating sasquatch for 36 years by his own admission.

It is entirely possible that a sasquatch might take a "type specimen" of the human genre, out of curiosity or even perhaps a food source. I can't say either way.

wow!!! intresting story.... what to make of it????? makes me consider my trip next week...

Kieth Foster, Rocky Mountain hunting guide turned BF investigator and former BFRO member has written several lengthy treads on BF over on a bow hunting forum; (Bowsite.com)...In one of his postings he says that LEOs had suggested to him that there were 15-20 cases of human disappearences in the rockies where evidence of BF involvement was found...He said that such evidence is left out of police reports...
He related one case in which a soldier on snow manuvers had gone missing..This was during WWII..His prints were followed in the snow to where BF prints came out of the woods and intersected the soldier's...At that spot blood and torn uniform was discovered..Only the BF's prints were found leaving the scene....( perhaps predation by a hungary BF during winter when game is scarce??)..He said that to this day, forest service personnel will not by caught after dark in that area; ( Pearl Creek drainage north of Leadville)....

I spent a night there by myself last summer with that story very much in mind.

speaking of winter food. what do u think sasquatches ate just before it got cold??? maybe some salmon and skunk cabbage??? think some pickles would smell intresting in the winter?????? i do

Since food is scarcer in winter, most animals have to move around a lot more in order to survive. This means lots and lots of tracks, yet BF prints don't appear to be all over the place (as far as I know) in the snow during winter months. Green mentioned this, and the Bossburg incident proves it out. After weeks of coming the countryside, no one found so much as a poop or another print after the Dec. 13th trail was found. Very strange. It suggests that whatever's going on, there's not as much BF print making going on in winter as would be expected from foxes, fishers, coyotes, deer, etc.
For what it's worth.

I agree.

The Koyukon natives related to Richard Nelson in "Make Prayers to the Raven" that "woodsmen" hibernate.

Now, this is at the southern slopes of the Brooks Range, which is sub-arctic. Things may be quite different in the southern reaches of sasquatch habitat (say, California).

But the same is true of bears. Brown bears hibernate much longer in the Brooks Range than the now extinct California grizzly did.

Although it's too early to completely rule out the possibility of sasquatches employing food storage tactics like red squirrels, beavers, or humans, I really doubt it.

I think they hibernate, or go very dormant...........................

I think bears are officially classed as going into a state of "torpor" rather than true hibernation, in that they go into a deep sleep with some slowing of biosigns, but maintain some degree of awareness and warmer spells will wake them up and send them looking around for a snack.

I would think that similar behaviour might be plausible in the more northerly sasquatches, sleeping deeply for days at a time, in a snug nest, but not really hibernating as it is understood in other mammals.

I have seen reports that suggest they collect cattail roots for storage as well as immediate consumption. Native American tales of them have said they dry meat as well. Maybe they stock up some caches for hard times but probably not enough to last a whole winter on.

I get the feeling they move out of the harsher regions in the depths of winter though.

Directly on the topic though, I don't have a philosophical problem with the idea that they might take just as many humans as they think they can get away with. They are probably quite aware of the dangers of that course of action, armed search parties etc, and not just from modern times. If they perceive that a human is a long way from his fellows, hasn't got one of those lightning sticks, and the game has been poor for weeks, then I think they might make an informed decision on whether to take an easy kill or starve.

They possibly regard us as most of us regard them, warily, a species "not quite like us" prone to violent action on occasion, not to be messed with in numbers. if a man, starving in the arctic wilds came across a dead man, dead from internal bleeding or something, and a dead squatch, same thing, only with a full clip unloaded into him, at the battle scene, frozen solid and perfectly preserved, he'd probably bury the man and hack himself a squatch steak. A Sasquatch might pile rocks over the dead squatch and help himself to a homo sapien tasty liver treat. If a species is "not quite like us" we're highly prone to eat it. Thus in pre-history tales abound of tribes eating the hearts of their enemies, chimps eat spider monkeys and the occasional intruder from other troupes, etc etc.

What keeps Sasquatch from eating us more often is not some higher code of honour, but a sense of practicality in that we're generally tricksy prey, have a group retaliation response, don't have all that much meat on us, and probably don't taste as good as elk. Plus possibly we're a lot lower in vitamin C and he might have the same issues with that we do, i.e. it's not something his body synthesises. Me no eat human, get scurvy.

Flash

Nice observation, Flash. What about all the substances human tissue is teeming with? Food preservatives, prozac,nicotine,chlorestoral [sp?],prescrips of every description. Biggie might get a belly ache or if he eats enough of us he might have to go to rehab!

Black bears are true hibernators.

Hmmm I wikipedia-ed it, seems the jury is still out.

my opinion is that wikipedia is an extremely poor research tool. you never know if what your reading is any kind of truth.

"One of the most celebrated hibernators is the American black bear (Ursus americanus). It can go for as long as 100 days without eating, drinking, urinating, defecating, or exercising. Biologists have long acknowledged that hibernating black bears may have something to teach us, and they are now studying the animals with an eye to aiding everything from organ preservation to kidney disorders, from human hibernation to long-distance space travel."

It used to be in debate until the early 1980's when there was some actual studies done on black bears. They are champions at true hibernation.
Nova Online (PBS). http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/satoyama/hibernation.html

At WSU in Pullman Washington, there is a bear hibernation branch. They are studying the hibernation of Grizzly, Kodiak(I know) and Black bear.

heh well even that page semi contradicts itself...

Some, particularly rodents, sleep very deeply, while others, such as bears, slumber more lightly.*
.....

*This has led some biologists to differentiate between the hibernation of, say, jumping mice and the "winter lethargy" of bears. Ours is not to quibble, however, and for the purposes of this article, sleeping through the winter -- to whatever degree -- will be referred to as hibernation.

My earlier source for the "torpor" was some documentary on Discovery Channel a few days ago :rolleyes:

Hey don't you wish there were more discussons where everybody was right

Flashman,
Why don't you get in touch with WSU and see if you can talk to one of thier Bear Hibernation research staff? You may have a valid concept and they may be able to shed some light on your position. It might be worth a try. The reports that all bears do not stay in a state of hibernation during winter, at certain temps has some merit.

That is a fact.
What is important is to distinguish the difference between black and brown bears and their different hibernation patterns.

A few years ago, and during two winters in a row, brown bears emerged from dens when humans were in close proximity, and they killed somebody.

Both instances were during mid-winter on the Kenai Peninsula, and it was very cold when it happened.

The first was particularly disturbing. A crew of men surveying were walking in a line through snow, and walked past the mouth of the bear's den. Just as the last man in line walked past, the bear emerged, grabbed the man by the head, killed him, and fled. Even though ADFG & the Troopers obviously knew where the bear's den was, and the place was covered in snow, they never found that bear.

Other reports about brown bears emerging from dens after being disturbed strongly indicates that they come out pissed off.

Back to topic. Chimpanzee's do eat humans, mostly infants ("The Dark Side of Chimps" Discovery Channel). Bigfoot is typically classified as an omnivor, but I tend to think that he is more of an opportunist scavenger. Eats whatever stumbles along. I also think they will kill humans if they feel they or their family group is in danger. Mt. Gorillas attack researchers when they get too close.

Junior: (dragging human by an ankle) Hey maw, paw, what should I do with this?
MommaSquatch: Junior! What have you done? :marge:
Junior: Well gee maw, I did like you said and threw rocks to skeer the critter, but one the size of my head done ricocheted off a tree and beaned the poor sucker. :doh:
PoppaSquatch: Hum hum, you know the rule now junior, if you killed it you have to eat it.
Junior: Awwww, Pops, cmon, it looks all stringy.
PoppaSquatch: I mean it boy, there'll be no more deer hunting for you, until every last morsel is gone. :whip:
... .... ......

funny

Mike Bowman Posted on Dec 22 2005, 09:09 PM



Last winter I reported here that a few black bears were still out in the middle of winter. I am going back into the same area for some follow to last year's work. Will look again for my brother's tracks on the ground.

Another thing noticed, is that while elk hunting this last month... the females are just now coming into estrus...animal world is changing.... patterns are not the same anymore, folks thought seeing a couple of lil ones at feeding stations in winter was strange, may see more in the next few years.

mel

I think they're both.



Exactly. Just like a bear. Vegetation when in season, and meat (fresh or winterkill, whichever is available).

But I think they're smarter and more stealthy than a bear.

Much more rare, too.

I dont mean to joke here, but you know what Mt. gorillas eat when food sources run low before the family pod moves on?? When eating rough vegetain and when food sources run low, Mt. gorillas eat their own feces. The Discovery Channel has its high lights.

Believe it or not, I've seen a gorilla do that at the San Diego Zoo, although I doubt it was low on food resources. It may also be a nervous habit, or stress reliever.

When it happened a number of people started laughing and pointing. Then the gorilla showed everybody that flinging s**t is also something that gorillas "do".

I'm glad I was on an upper viewing platform. There was lots of scrambling below me.

you didn't happen to have the video camera running, did you Hunster ?

footage of those scrambling would be rather humerous.

dav