nighthunter
Nov 17 2005, 07:26 PM
i need a variety of opinions. do u think sasquatch kills its mentally or physically affected off-spring??? i think they do. it would be a liability to keep such off-spring around. and if they do kill them who do u think does it??? would it be the female or the male??? just asking, i have thought of this frequently. is it safe to say that BF disposes of the dead, maybe bury or my opinion have a large underground area where they dead is put. i dont know, maybe some old forgotten mine shaft. just a thought.
Teresa
Nov 17 2005, 07:49 PM
Interesting to contemplate NH. Another scenario would be "if" they are aware an offspring is handicapped isn't is also possible they might just walk away and leave them to die as opposed to doing the dastardly deed themselves?
It's all speculation
shaman
Nov 17 2005, 08:02 PM
no proof of what they do.
Devious Ape
Nov 18 2005, 10:24 AM
What do other apes do in this situation? Chimps? Bonobos? Gorillas? Orangs?
Also, a common thing in other apes is that first time mothers often abandon their child, or show a lack of interest/experieince in caring for it. Would this also hold true for sasquatches?
Mattuitis
Nov 18 2005, 10:52 AM
And, on top of that sometimes gorilla mothers will refuse to believe their dead baby is dead and will carry the corpse around for a few days trying to feed it and stuff. Very disturbing to watch.
Of course this is all conjecture based on known behaviour of other apes......
Reev
Nov 18 2005, 11:04 AM
Wasn't there a footprint cast from a BF with club foot? If that footprint's for real, that'd lead me to believe that they don't kill their handicapped.
mike2k1
Nov 18 2005, 11:20 AM
QUOTE(Reev @ Nov 18 2005, 11:04 AM)
Wasn't there a footprint cast from a BF with club foot? If that footprint's for real, that'd lead me to believe that they don't kill their handicapped.
Bossberg track.......
Cripplefoot link.
FanofSquatch
Nov 18 2005, 11:54 AM
I buy into the only the strong survive theroy and the Bossberg sasquatch was strong enough to survive with a disfigured foot, I don't belive that if any animal was born with a defect or even seriously injured that others of the same species would care for it, it would be left to die. I still have a hard time comparing Bigfoot to apes though.
Bitter Monk
Nov 18 2005, 02:24 PM
QUOTE(Mattuitis @ Nov 18 2005, 12:52 PM)
And, on top of that sometimes gorilla mothers will refuse to believe their dead baby is dead and will carry the corpse around for a few days trying to feed it and stuff. Very disturbing to watch.
Of course this is all conjecture based on known behaviour of other apes......
Gorillas will also abandon young, as was the case here recently at Zoo Atlanta.
Infant Gorilla Death
Paul_R
Nov 18 2005, 03:48 PM
QUOTE(nighthunter @ Nov 17 2005, 09:26 PM)
is it safe to say that BF disposes of the dead, maybe bury or my opinion have a large underground area where they dead is put. i dont know, maybe some old forgotten mine shaft. just a thought.

I doubt that there is any single "bigfoot graveyard" out there. I would speculate rather that an injured or sick animal may perhaps find a safe spot and hide until it dies. It may also be possible that another may cover the body of a fallen comrade bu not perhaps as an organized, regularly repeated ritual behavior. That would stretch into "neanderthal level" behavior IMHO and anecdotal evidence is not a good basis to support such concept.
I don't believe there are any definative answers to your questions. Data from this would have to come from a particapatory study of some type either in the field or with a live specimen in captivity. I'm comfortable working from the perspective that the forest does an excellent job of disposing of bodies naturally and humans just don't get every where to see everything. Of course you might think that one would screw up once and awhile and get offed by a train, or drown, or fall off a cliff or etc.
What is really definative is the lack of hard evidence to support existence let alone attempting to define behaviors.
Of course this is just the opinion of a crusty old Cav Scout anyways... so your guess may be good enough to get you somewhere...
We can speculate based on known primates but it may not always be a good apples to apples comparison.
HUA?
mike2k1
Nov 18 2005, 06:32 PM
QUOTE(Paul_R @ Nov 18 2005, 03:48 PM)
I doubt that there is any single "bigfoot graveyard" out there. I would speculate rather that an injured or sick animal may perhaps find a safe spot and hide until it dies. It may also be possible that another may cover the body of a fallen comrade bu not perhaps as an organized, regularly repeated ritual behavior. That would stretch into "neanderthal level" behavior IMHO and anecdotal evidence is not a good basis to support such concept.
I don't believe there are any definative answers to your questions. Data from this would have to come from a particapatory study of some type either in the field or with a live specimen in captivity. I'm comfortable working from the perspective that the forest does an excellent job of disposing of bodies naturally and humans just don't get every where to see everything. Of course you might think that one would screw up once and awhile and get offed by a train, or drown, or fall off a cliff or etc.
What is really definative is the lack of hard evidence to support existence let alone attempting to define behaviors.
Of course this is just the opinion of a crusty old Cav Scout anyways... so your guess may be good enough to get you somewhere...
We can speculate based on known primates but it may not always be a good apples to apples comparison.
HUA?
I agree.....Mother Nature is really adept in sprucing up.
nighthunter
Nov 19 2005, 09:12 PM
great points everyone. and i agree that there more than likely isnt one mass graveyard. just thoungt of something when it came to an area of intrest. i may have info. on a large mine that was abondoned in the 30's. and it is near an area i have been looking into. i have 30 days off starting on the 23rd of this month. who wants to go a looking????
Callidus
Nov 20 2005, 12:28 AM
Oh Oh Nighthunter i want to go, e-mail me with details
WVaNative
Dec 8 2005, 06:47 AM
I remember reading a report of a sighting I think it was in northern California but this guy was walking up a creek bed and started hearing clicks from rocks. So he slowed down and sneaked up to where the sound was coming from and saw I think he said three Bigfoot burying a dead Bigfoot. He said it appeared to be a family as one of the three was a juvenile. He said they were covering the body with stones. He planed to return to the site at a later date but when he did return there had been a flash flood and all trace of the pile of stones was gone. I don't remember where I read this report but try BFRO.
WVaNATIVE
Hairy Man
Dec 8 2005, 11:12 AM
That story doesn't sound familar WVaNative, but if you find it, please post it. I'd be curious to where in California and who investigated the report!
billkirbywofb
Dec 8 2005, 12:14 PM
I heard of this story years ago (when I had more brain cells) but can not remember where I heard of it (and the search function here hates me). But as I remember it was in the northwest quadrent of Oregon.
(goes back to standing in line for the brain cell transplants)
[which makes a good excuse if I am wrong]
jimf
Dec 8 2005, 12:47 PM
QUOTE
Some relief came when I recalled seeing similar information elsewhere: "When he was working with Roger Patterson and headquartered at Yakima, Dennis Jenson saw a letter from a man who swore that he had watched three Bigfeet burying a fourth. They dug a deep hole, using only their hands as tools. After placing the body in the hole and covering it with earth they rolled huge boulders, each weighing many hundreds of pounds, onto the grave" (Peter Byrne, The Search for Big Foot, 1976, p.109)
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/biology/manimal.htm
cactusbutt
Dec 8 2005, 03:30 PM
Thanks for the link Jim
that was a good read
Melissa
Dec 8 2005, 03:55 PM
Interesting ideas to think about..
Question I would have is this - if an animal would kill its offspring due to a handicap etc - would they care enough to bury it? I dont know. Also, I dont know what any animal would do outright - but I could see an ape, not killing -- but also not doing anything to help this particular offspring survive.
The bossburg track was brought up - I find that a very interesting cast of a track. As it makes me wonder if that wasnt something that happened after the animal was already born and into the juvenile age or maybe a few years older, already capable of taking care of itself. If that is a true Bigfoot Track cast - just the fact that this animal would have survived is amazing to me. Love that Cast..
Just my opinion
Hairy Man
Dec 8 2005, 04:32 PM
As horrible as it sounds, infanticide due to gender, malformation, disability, etc. was very common place in most native cultures throughout the world (in fact, still is in some cultures). I don't know that I have ever read a book on a tribe/culture where infanticide wasn't mentioned. As I recall, no...those babies weren't buried. Why? Well, if a mother can kill her baby because there is something wrong with it, the mother would have to view the baby as "not human" or not a part of her. Only something wanted gets a burial.
chronic
Dec 8 2005, 05:14 PM
QUOTE
Caring among the Erects
May 2005
Dmanisi in Georgia provided one great surprise in human evolution by Ken Yielding abundant remains of 1.7 Ma old Homo erectus where they might be least expected: north of the Caucasus mountains that would have formed a tremendous barrier to any migration from further south. The archaeological sites have provided another surprise in the form of a well-preserved skull of a completely toothless individual. It is clear from the regrowth of bone into the sockets that this “masticatorily impaired� individual survived for years after losing all their teeth (Lordkipanidze, D. et al. 2005. The earliest toothless hominin skull. Nature, v. 434, p. 717-718). It is impossible to believe that the individual could have survived on a tough meat and vegetable diet without special preparation of soft victuals. Although the person’s survival cannot prove that other Erects helped out, that is a distinct possibility. Losing teeth through dental disease or trauma would have been immensely painful and debilitating, yet the individual did survive. We have to move forward to around 40 thousand years ago for compelling evidence that Neanderthal society cared for disadvantaged people, when several near-complete skeletons show evidence of long-term, crippling damage.
Nature, v. 434, p. 717-718)
If Homo Erectus was caring 1.7 million years ago, he's probably still caring today.
Mike Bowman
Dec 16 2005, 06:50 PM
In 92, my wife and I experienced a group of three for 2 1/2 weeks while camping in a remote area. One of them displayed indications of an injured left leg or foot, as it tended to drag the left foot as it walked.
That might be construed as evidence that they take care of thier own weak, sick or otherwise abnormal siblings or brethern. I couldn't say for certain one way, or the other. I would however, speculate that we under-estimate this animal to a tremendous degree and often times when comparing them to known animals, we may well be missing something very important about them that they have continuously displayed dispite our own ignorance.
nighthunter
Dec 16 2005, 09:18 PM
could this mean that sasquatches live in family enviroment, and care and protect each other???? eye witnesses have said that once they have stumbled upon a sasquatch that they see emotion in thier faces..... more to them than we know or speculate to know..
Paul1968UK
Dec 19 2005, 09:43 AM
afaik, both Mountain and Lowland Gorillas are known to attack and often kill other gorillas with physical deformities.
But again, someone has already pointed out in this thread, that we shouldn't assume BFs have the same behaviour patterns as Gorillas, Chimps, Bonobos or, the worst apes on the planet.. Humans.
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