http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=12388

That is downright scary! Think I would have gone hunting for the man in the window.

hi chewy good evening i just read this interesting report in the bfro website i wonder if the bfro investigater is going to a follow up to it. hope other researchers here can maybe go to the sighting location. maybe the girl can tell researchers alittle more what she saw. maybe the sri should look into it as well even the tbrc. please keep me posted ok. thanks bill

Hey Chewy- I happened to see that report today on the BFRO - the funny thing about that was the sighting happened about 10 minutes from my sister and her husband's home. So I gave them a call today to mention it and of course they say I'm nuts and changed the subject.
Now I hope "IT" walks through their front lawn this week.

Hey Bill -Hope all is well -thanks for leaving comments on my guestbook page. Ty

And people wonder why I sleep with a .44 under my pillow....

hi ty2 good evening thanks again for the reply to me again. im glad that sighting interest you. maybe you should go to the sighting location with camera to take photos of the area maybe talk to the eyewittnesses seeing you dont live to far from the sighting location. please keep us posted ok. yes your website is great im glad i signed your guestbook. you should make a special ny bigfoot website in your website. thanks bill

Yeah, that's the part that got to me, too. I tend to believe what comes from the mouths of babes, only because .... why would she make it up?

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airpor...eq_statename=NA

Maybe nothing. Maybe something.

Yes the part about the little girl was creepy! And so is stepping out of your bathroom and seeing a big tall furry guy standing right outside the window! My gosh!

But this part was also pretty freaky:



Now that is high strangeness if I ever heard it!

jimf,

What a great weather site! How did you find that one?!

I have to stick up for her on this, though. The sighting was at 8am. It in fact, from the weather data you supplied, was clear outside at that time... It wasn't until in the afternoon that visibility decreased from (if i remember correctly) 7 miles to four miles or less--probably the rain. I think I'm interpreting the data correctly. It was a pretty a-okay okey-dokey day that morning.

If I got thru bathing & walked out of the bathroom to see the neighbor kid looking in my window, I'd be startled--no, SHOCKED! In fact my best friend lives next door, and if she walks in my front door when I'm preoccupied, I jump about 2 feet in the air! Now if I looked thru the window & saw a big hairy "man", THAT would be an event...definitely the event of the day! I would forever remember that day as nice. The big event is what you remember, not the run-of-the-mill usual stuff. I'll bet she couldn't even tell you what she made for supper that night. The shocking event is what's important--not the mundane.

I think that the weather report is your main point of contention. Am I right? And a naked woman isn't going to go chase a big furry critter like that, Chewy. I wouldn't, anyway! I'd certainly ask my neighbors if they saw anything unusual though!

I can tell you exactly where I was and what I was doing when JFK was assassinated and the same for when the twin towers fell, but not what I had for breakfast or supper on those days, nor what the weather was like. And those events didn't happen to me personally. If I saw a bigfoot or a bear staring in my window or just walking by, I'd have it etched in my memory like a picture. I saw a bigfoot 50 years ago. I was a kid. I can still feel the hair rising on the back of my neck before I actually saw it, the sand between my toes, the cold wet beach towel wrapped around me, and the smell of the wind coming in off the lake. It was a beautiful day. I can't remember what I had for supper that night, nor if it rained.

Hope I didn't misinterpret you. Do you understand what I mean? This report might or might not be true. I didn't see a real red flag. Do you?

One of several. I posted a large list of pre-investigation tools in general discussion.


Actually the weather outside was scattered clouds at 7:53 am with worsening conditions over the next hour.

Obviously, I don't have access to the internal comments of the report, and I'm not saying its exactly a problem, but there are several other things that should be accounted for.

One of the simplest is which direction does the window face?



Some will take this as a snide comment,but its not. How big is this bedroom window? I ask this because mine is 6 feet in width, At 6 ft tall I stride past it in just under approxmatly 2 seconds. The details such as hair lengtth do not jibe with the limited duration of the sighting. Likewise does the window go to the ground or does it start at a higher level ?

The sound as as descirbed by the witness (growl/hiss) are up for contetion also ,but that me be more on the part of the investigator. The report was submitted on Aug 23rd 2005. The investigator describes the growl as happening in Jun. of 2004.

"Not suggesting they are bigfoot related", while still including them in a bigfoot report.
Bears are already noted as being in the area.
Most dogs I've owned exibit similar behavior towards anything from a chipmonk to a deer. Is this ongoing to this day? Wondering since the original report was occured over a year ago. Is the relative available to verify this? And this in part alludes to ongoing activity for over the year I previously mentioned.
There are so many variables available from this part that i won't even go into them. Ummm..No.

ummh......what?

The BFRO investigator is careful to state that some of the other things noticed (torch, snake skin, etc.) may not be BF encounter related, but still he finds them worth mentioning, as I feel he should. While staying at the hunting cabin, and after leaving gifts for BF in the way of apples (provided the foxes in the area didn't take them first) I stepped out one morning to discover a turkey feather which had some long strands of grass wrapped in and around it. I picked it up and thought that someone had to have done this, it just looked to complicated for it just happen by blowing around on the ground. Other people stay at the cabin often, so I assumed that is how the feather came to be. I foolishly let it fall back to the ground. Since that time, I was told by someone who has been researching bigfoot, to look for just such a gift. Then I told this person what I found! :doh:

Until there is undeniable proof such as a body, All reports can be disputed and "questioned", Even those forthcoming from the SRI group that is now forming. The easy part is the questioning , doubting and refuting of statements made by individuals who have allegedly seen this creature. These witnesses are not out to make scientific statements or exact measurements of height, weight, texture. They can only state what they have seen or allegedly seen. These folks who have come forward with their eyewitness encounters did not bring this on themselves. The had something extraordinary happen to them and are looking for some answers or even help..(some may be hoaxes obviously..but not all ).

Now I agree that the questioning can be better in some circumstances from the investigator. I was part of a corporate security group who questioned employees over corporate relation matters. It's difficult that you dont lead the witness and especially when You have an interest and want to find proof. Yet I learned to read the body language of the person and where others didnt see it, that was a true factor. Such was the case recently in a BF investigation I was privy to.

The great thing I found a few months ago was the tremendous BF community that is out there (here). The discussions are good and I appreciate whoever is responsible for this forum and others.

Nick

If my daughter woke me up and said that to me, I'd want to make sure mine was the last window he'd look through. What does it take to go from looking in windows to trying to come in? Dealing with one in the woods is one thing, but in the confines of my livingroom? Or coming through my bedroom window? For some reason, I don't think it would go as well as Harry and the Hendersons.

jimf wrote about the weather conditions




I'm gonna say probably nothing - The weather report was from Binghamton which is about a 45 min. drive to the sighting area. I would say scattered clouds at 7:53am in one area could be sunny skies 30 miles away. Not to argue just something to note.

I'm certainly not an investigator but when I visit that area to see my family I will ask around to see if any body is talking about bigfoot sightings.

By the way JimF good luck with the SRI - The website looks great so far.

Ty

hi ty2 i hope you can go to the sighting location with a camera to photograph possible evidence & talk to people & your family in that area where the sasquatch activity is known well. please keep us posted here. thanks bill

True, but its the job of the investigator to weed through them and ask the pertinent questions to the alleged event. From the info avaiable on many reportsmthat is simply not done and there is not review of the report before publication . That needs to change and hopefully is changing.
Maybe I'm wrong about it,but my feeling is if you are the investigator of the report,it's your responsibility to make sure the information contained in it is as accutrate as possible, or at least the inaccuracies accounted for and the proper question asked in lieu of whats presented. No ,not all are hoaxes,but I'd be willing to bet a good portion of them are misidentifications or imagination . More than some probably realize.

jimf,

I've got to think about this. I may have been way off base. Please give me a few to think this over...

jimf,

I've had some time to think about this & have several questions and comments. I hadn't realized that I made many assumptions when I initially read the report!

1. The weather doesn't appear to have disintegrated by 8am to the point where it would hamper the view of an animal that was only four feet from the window. Why do you think it is important to know which direction the window faces?

2. I did notice she didn't state the size of the window, nor how far she was away from the window. If it were a 2 x 3ft window she would have not been able to see the entire animal, as if she had seen it through a sliding glass door. She didn’t mention whether she noticed ears or a snout. That was also not mentioned in the investigator’s follow-up.

4. She stated that she ran back into the bathroom & waited for about a minute before peeking out. The investigator said she stayed in the bathroom for about 10 minutes before peeking out. Which of them changed the length of time? That’s not stated in follow-up.

5. I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make about the growl/hiss. Is this typical behavior of either a bigfoot or a bear?

6. I discount the dog/cats part of the sighting as inconclusive. My dog has his nose glued to the window and barks @ anything that moves or that he hears, including other dogs, people, birds at the feeder, squirrels, and the neighbors cats. That’s his job. If there is a bear in the area, (or coyote, maybe?) a dead cat doesn’t indicate much either.

7. If a guest reported a man looking in the window, even a young one, I’d call the police to report a possible prowler. That’s not what I consider to be normal behavior. I wouldn’t assume it was the bigfoot that I had seen a year earlier. Did this strike you as odd?

8. The tiki torch & snakeskin thing was really off the wall. How did they (witness/investigator) possibly relate it to a possible bigfoot? When did it happen? The day of the sighting? Later that year or earlier this year? Was the torch stuck back in the ground or just laying there, or did the wind blow it? Snakes shed skin. It happens. Her backyard is wooded. Do you think that has anything to do with a bigfoot? I don’t.

I hope I didn’t offend you. Because you included the weather link I assumed that was most important to you. I learned a lot dissecting this report. I get the feeling that the investigator was inexperienced. His follow-up was not clear on some points. There are questions I still have. Some you can’t answer, but I do wonder how you were thinking about this report.

The weather is important because part of the weather information is incomplete. Which way was the strom moving in from? Given the distance from te nearest airport records ,that could be a large factor . The difference between 'clear and sunny" and ovecast and dark still given the time of morning it allegedly occured.
The sun reflection is also a factor that why the direction of the window should be questioned as to the color and light available. i.e. if the window faces the direction of the sun rising the shadowplay differs from that of the window facing west. In conjunction with the clouds that at 8 am were moving in to the area.
Thats the problem,hon. It wasn't mentioned in the investigators follow up. It should have been given the amount of time (5-10 seconds.) that it took for it to cross her field of view. It's not possible for something moving qucickly to take that amount of time. As I noted,it takes me less than two seconds at a normal pace to cross a 6 foot expanse of window. If the alleged creature in this case is indeed 7 foot in height ,it should do so even at a faster pace.(its stride should be nearly a foot greater than mine,besed on the described pace) even if it were a sliding glass door at 12 foot in expanse, it should still take less than 12 seconds. ( this is testable by using the windows in your own house for verification). basically it boils down to things unaccounted for by both the witness and the investigator.The witness is forgivable on it, the investigator is not IMO. I'm guessing you meant this as item 3? I agree another thing not accounted for. Here's another thought ,what rolls out of a door when you initially leave a bathroom? Steam from the shower, whicxh also raises the question as to fog on the window as far as color and lighting depending on several factors. How close is the window to the bathroom? Was the bathroom door (assuming there is one) open or closed if there was a morning shower involved? The temp that day outside as compared to the interior of the room could also create for or condensation on the window. Just things to consider. My bad. The point is that it shouldn't have even been included in the report. it could have just as easily been a racoon or opossum as anything else. It's irrelevant and serves only despite the claim otherwise as a means to 'buff up" a weak report. It would have IMO been far better to simply say " I found upon contacting the witness that they were credible in the retelling of the events as described" and left it at that. One of the first rules of investigating a report is to assume it anything other than a bigfoot and work backwards from there. For all intents and purposes the exact opposite of that looks to have been done with this particualr report. Nope , it shouldnt have been included because as you said its too inconclusive. Cat, I've been informed is also a favorite fare of foxes, sometimes to the point they don't even care if there's a human in the immediate area or not. (*note thanks to the source of input on this , because I truly did not know that at the time*) Very odd. I have two young children myself. One of two things would happen in this scenario. The police would be called for follow up or the 'prowler would find him/herself in a world of hurt when I got my hands on them.
That though is based on an assumption that it actually took place and isn't used to further bolster the report as there is no information that the other person was contacted for verification of the incident. Exactly !! Those are all questions , that should have been accounted for,or that part of it left off of the report entirely. there's a syndrome that seems to infect many in the BF community that could easily be called "bigfoot on the brain" . It's not an actual accountable psychological condition, but it seems to stem from wanting things to be bigfoot related that aren't. It permeates us with shadows passed off as blobsquatches, common sounds in the woods as evidence of bigfoot when it could clearly be a common animal. Heck even someone in the right frame of mind, could take a simple shadow passing across glass as being a bigfoot at thier window. The mind will add its own description later based on that fear or want of it to be so,even if it doesnt match the events as described. It could be caused by the television program on the subject watched a week previous or even a small article in a newspaper.the next thing you know, (with apologies to Emeril ) BAM!! you have a class A bigfoot sighting. Nope,dear, not the slightest bit offended. You can dissect any report ,not matter how good,but the more questions asked the better the odds that it'll be likely legitimate. And that is up to the investigator/researcher for verification.
My take on this one? Its a likely mis-identification of normal events. too many things in the follow up and report itself do not match other points as described in the narrative itself. Hopefully something that changes soon.

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