Just out for some R&R - Then 'Strange' things in N.W. Montana...






Bigfoot Encounters

Lincoln County, Montana Late July 2005

For the last five years, whoever was available as family - we would stay at the rental towers on the U.S.F.S. rental system. This particular 4 day...3 night stay involved July 29th to August 1st 05. This Lookout is on a concrete-block base, with one flight of stairs going up the east side. On this particular visit, my wife Rosemarie, and son Adrian, are with me.

The location of this Fire Lookout is approximately 12 miles from the Canadian border, and about 14 miles S.W. of Eureka, Montana, as the crow flies. (We crossed at the Port of Roosville.) Lake Koocanusa sits below the tower just to the east. It is 'Webb Mountain Lookout.'

This all began on Friday, around 6:00 p.m. Wanting to take an initial picture just west of the tower, I heard a loud single knock on a tree just to the south. Two minutes later, a second single knock came. The sky was clear, the weather hot and excellent, a light breeze coming up from the forest. On my way back to the tower, I began to smell something different. Not like a skunk, but a distant odor of maybe rotten eggs. I see Adrian standing on the catwalk's west side, and before I say anything, he asks me if I smell something funny? I found this interesting, because he was catching the same thing.

A few minutes later, we wanted to explore a ridge west of the tower. It seemed to be an excellent place for a predator, such as a bear or cat to sit. It was shelved somewhat - and the area below we thought, would be a great place for deer to come up. (They did just that - every day.) Adrian was presently near the edge, with myself about 40 feet away - I had my back to him. I hear the tail end of something from the south - he heard the whole thing. When I reached him, he had goose bumps, and tears in his eyes. He asked me if I heard that? I asked him what it sounded like? He told me, it was like a woman's high-pitched scream. We both felt a little nervous, so we went back to the tower. He suggested putting a large metal fire screen in front of the walkway below. We did just that. I figured we didn't need a cat coming up the stairs. And I didn't want to cry Bigfoot.

As every day there, the deer were there the next morning, a Buck keeping an eye on everything. A day in Kalispell, we were back at the Lookout, and went to bed around 12:00 a.m. The conditions were very dark at the time, with a clear sky, and the stars seemed just off the deck outside. A light breeze was present as well.

At approximately 2:10 a.m. - I awoke to my wife's cell phone beeping - the battery was low. I sat up, and was going to tell her to shut it down. Within two minutes time, I heard the padlock on the steel door below us - it was being fiddled with. From what I have gathered, the room below is for storing firewood. You have to walk up 2 concrete stairs on the outside, and stand on a concrete walk. Then reach up and tamper with the lock. I wasn't happy, ruling out a number of things that it couldn't be. Then I could hear something moving around down below on the rocks - this type of material makes quite a racket. Much of the area around this tower is rock.

I immediately woke up Adrian, and asked him quietly...to listen. I had noticed a beer bottle just to the east of the tower during the day. Whatever was out there, then came in contact with the bottle - moving it aside. Then we both heard the visitor wandering around outside on the rock surface. While all this was going on, my wife had been up, and was now sleeping again. I'm sure glad she felt protected, because we didn't. Adrian and I watched the catwalk like a hawk. We were quietly debating what to do about this - we couldn't see anything outside. We actually put something up against the door.

Now to the south side of the tower - something was moving rock, and moving around as well. Very quickly, it seemed to jump from one level of ground to the next - maybe 4 feet in height difference between levels of ground. It bothered both Adrian and I - coming down with a huge thump - we could feel the damn vibration inside the Lookout. It continued to move around outside.

I noticed that Adrian, over time, had just fallen asleep. During this time, I heard what I thought to be a type of gargle from the throat of something. I again woke Adrian up - he had slept for about 5 minutes. The rocks were still being stepped on outside, and around us. And then we received something we couldn't understand. Something whistled on the east side of the lookout, down below. We both looked at each other. Was there more than one outside? At that point, we threw out the window, the idea of going outside on the deck. We didn’t know what we were up against - and I wouldn't risk loved ones. I was actually telling Adrian at that time, that those outside, didn't know how many of us there were. At least hopefully! I didn't think it was men now, because of the sheer weight that had come down during that jump.

A quarter-moon came out during all this - this whole episode lasting almost an hour-and-forty-five-minutes. With a hint of morning light coming, it disappeared into the night. What struck me as funny - whatever it was - seemed to use the rock most of the time to walk on. We found no tracks that morning. No human tracks, other than ours. And no large animal.

That morning, I remembered that my wife had read some of the visitor’s notes and short stories in the logbooks. I left one as well. Some do - most don't I think. I began to read their stories. These 3 could mean a number of things.

7-19-03 to 7-20-03: "The dogs barked in the window in the middle of the night - something was down there - but I didn't see it."

7-31-03: "Went to the outhouse about 12:00 at night. When an animal blew and thumped away. There was a scared woman. Next morning a muley lingered around - so that's probably what it was?"

July 9th/05: "We came souped up for war, yet ran in fear of two shiny eyes in the dark that reflected off our flashlights."

On Sunday, Adrian and I put our heads to the grind - we didn't want another night of this. We fixed eight different locations with pieces of cantaloupe – placing them on raised rock so the little creatures couldn't get them. Three of these places, I gently smoothed dirt areas for possible tracks. Trip spots were set up, and things put up that would slow something down at least.

We timed ourselves in the tower. We could get outside, and look over the deck with light and camera in 3 ½ seconds. The night before, we really knew where little was at the time. We only had hunting knives and bear spray. (Lucky Americans - they get to carry guns.) Five large cut logs were placed at the top of the stairs – the fire screen still blocking below. We did what we could to hinder anything coming back - even trying to cut off a key escape route. We figured something would try using the area just to the south - it was the fastest way out.

Next morning - nothing! One piece of fruit was missing, but there were deer back. Their prints also moved up to one of the other traps. Adrian actually asked me that morning, if something could have watched us set the traps and bait the area. Smart kid - I'll never know!

Getting back to Calgary on Monday, I was still looking for some answers. I went to the BFRO site. I played a number of audio clips for A.J. (Adrian.) The 1973 Puyallup Washington State clip was his answer - it had apiece in there that was close to what he heard.

Then I continued with a possibility of any other sighting in that area in the past. Still with just the BFRO, I came up with the Lincoln County 1978 vocalization encounter near Libby, Montana. It's about 25 miles away from the tower. There was also a note to this witness. In the same area in august of 2004 (they were camping.) They heard rocks being banged together most of the night.

I have tried as best I can, to give the reader an idea on what has transpired. We will be going up there again. I think a little more manpower will help ease our worry and tension next time. This was the first Lookout in five years that something could actually reach you on the catwalk. The others we have stayed at, had trap doors on the wooden towers, and the other, a big steel door that you had to enter through. I'll remember this!

© Glen Boulier

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lookoutman.

DANG!!



So lookoutman... is this your report then, was this you and your family?

Stacy...

That's pretty much how it went down for us that weekend! And Adrian
thought it was going to be a boring long-weekend.

Another picture of area...facing north towards Canada.

This is night setting in...looking east from Fire Lookout...

Facing south from Fire Lookout...

Wow, that's beautiful! I can't believe your wife just rolled over and went back to sleep in the middle of all that though .... she must have a lot of faith in her boys!

My wife is a sound sleeper - I'm a light sleeper. She listened briefly,
but could fall back to sleep. She thinks we had it under control -
bless her heart. (We didn't!) -I can't believe nothing touched that
fire-screen - our biggest concern.

lookoutman7 we have talked about this before but I frogot to ask the reason you all chose this place to go. Was it just a family outing or had you heard of incidents about the towr before?
Thomas steenburg

Thomas-

Getting a late start on the rental season, this was actually our third choice
in the matter. As mentioned, we've been frequenting the rental towers for
five years now - this was available on the long-weekend, yet.

Expecting nothing in this area, not really thinking of the possiblity, we just
laid out some R&R for four days.

Research into the Lincoln County region since then has brought up other
hints of the presence of the Sasquatch - if that's what did visit.

We're going up to try the place out again next year, but more extensively
towards looking for possible evidence of such a presence. (But we know how
that usually works.)

I talked to...I think it was Gerry, on WestCoast Sasquatch - he thought it may
have been a good idea to spread out the perimeter at the time - there being
no tracks close because of the rocky ground around the tower area.

Glen

I've always wondered about what those old time "firewatchers" might've seen...of course, being gov't employees they probably wouldn't've said much...

I've been told by U.S.F.S. Management, that if anything does get
sighted, it does not go National. It would be up to the individual
Districts to be logged or kept.

Yes - most Fire Lookout personnel are skeptic of reporting. Their
credibility goes in the tank upon such observations. It would be like
the U.F.O. thing and Airline Pilots.

What does "spread out the perimeter" mean?

If you return to the same lookout, what would you do to make it more secure? Would you bring a gun(s)? More people?

Would you set up cameras? (That night-time photo shows that it's pretty dark there...!!).

Boy, I really have alot more respect for lookout rangers after hearing this!

Personally, I like the idea of a steel trap door with a retractable ladder...and an outhouse isn't my cup-of-tea, either! Your wife is a brave soul, by the way.

You sound like you know something about the subject...would you say there are a LOT of Forrest Service stories out there? We just heard about the guy in Yellowstone a week or two ago, and that's the first full on report by a FS guy I've heard (aside from second and third hand "I talked to a Ranger and he said" stuff)...

littlefoot...

'Spreading out the perimeter' would expand the area for searching for
clues and any evidence that may be available. We were not up there
for anything at the time but R&R. We will be going up again - this time
checking the entire area.

The gun issue stops at the U.S./Can border of course. We won't try and
push that issue.

This Tower was the first we stayed at, that posed the real problem of
safety. Anything can and could easily come up the stairs. We may add
another person - we have lighting for such a visit now (research) - and
will deal with the entry point. Our biggest concern was possibly armed
human beings.


Mulder...

There is other possible stories out there, I'm sure of it, and am uncovering
such. I've mentioned it - it is a touchy subject with the Forest Service. You
do not want to be a Ranger or Observer, and possibly reporting such
encounters. You are in the middle of nowhere at times, and they just may
think that you're losing it. Logs may hold the answers, but we're swaying
towards actual encounters being put under just personal records - an
individual keeping it to themselves. What I'm finding now, is, they don't even
like passing it to the next Ranger.

This concerns an additive to our visit at Webb Mtn.

The report started this thread. -That Sunday, Adrian and I had the chance to
look around a little - setting up things to hinder a visit or possibly delay a
departure to who was coming to the Tower.

During this period, we were just to the south of Webb, maybe 15 to 20 feet
away. It drops down through a squeezed area, where anything would leave
if it didn't want to do a small jump of any kind. They could just step down.

But in our investigating just to the south, and to the east, there was a tucked
in narrow ledge that could hide practically anything. Mostly rock, it was an
indentation where someone or something could hold up, and still be within
25 feet of the Lookout.

Now, if you moved along to the east, you could possibly remain hidden, but
could jump down to open forest and disappear into the night. And if you were
really crafty, you could follow the forest wall, and never be seen.

This is not what bothered us however. At the indentation to the rock, sat
what I called a little soap-dish that was part of the face. There was no loose
rock or stones around this location. But, what sat in the dish, were five sharp
shale-like objects of thin rock that were placed there. And they were placed
there unpurpose. Both Adrian and I looked for clues to someone scratching
initials on the rock, digging at the base, or anything else that may hint their
use. We found nothing. But they were there for a reason, you could see that.

Leaving it out of the report, this, we wrote off to other visitors to the Lookout.
Could someone of just placed these selected objects there? Or could they be
used for defense? We really wanted to believe that man was responsible for
this. I'd hate to think that the Sasquatch has an outside chance of intelligence
with something like this. Not that it can't defend itself otherwise.

Has any Researcher heard of, or reported possible primitive tool usage by
such a creature?

lookoutman

That's a d*mn shame, really...FS personnel would be the IDEAL professional/"expert" witnesses to BF activity. I'd give any report from a FS employee greater weight than a similar report from a random citizen.

It's sadly ironic that in the entire larger field of "phenominology", those whose credentials would make them the best and most reliable sources of testimony are the LEAST likely to want to talk about the subject...

*edit* As to your general question about tool usage...I've stumbled across the rare account online of club usage, and of course there's "wood knocking" (if you are inclined to accept that as BF activity). In general, these creatures seem to be at least as generally intelligent as other higher primates (chimps, gorillas, etc), and THEY have demonstrated tool usage, so I wouldn't see why not...

I don't know if you meant it to, but that additional bit of detail gave me chills when I read it...

[quote=Mulder,Sep 17 2005, 11:52 AM]

[/QUOTE]
That's a d*mn shame, really...FS personnel would be the IDEAL professional/"expert" witnesses to BF activity. I'd give any report from a FS employee greater weight than a similar report from a random citizen.

It's sadly ironic that in the entire larger field of "phenominology", those whose credentials would make them the best and most reliable sources of testimony are the LEAST likely to want to talk about the subject... [/quote]
I'm sure with their background in observations, and the time they have on
their hands, they are quite credible. I know a number of them personally -
reporting such things would be a job-related danger to some. The ole Bigfoot
thing can embarrass a lot of people and professions.

It could very well affect an individual's job. Many onlookers in different
positions are trying a number of things to get rid of the Towers - DNR'ing
them - feeling they're not needed these days. Lookout personnel don't
want any foothold given to those impressions. Bigfoot doesn't help.

Lookoutman7...I know we spoke of these details on the phone, but what size were these five sharp pieces of shale rock that you found?
And, in your opinion, could these sharp pieces of shale have been used as a primitive weapon?

Bushman

Bushman...

All very much the same in size, each object was approximately 5 1/2" long,
and 2 1/2" in height. The thickness remained about 1/4".

All by themselves sitting there, you couldn't help but notice them. They were
easily accessible. You could see they had been picked, and placed there. They
sat about 4 feet off the ground.

There was no evidence of their use. Adrian and I wrote them off to man
putting them there. Still, I tossed them down the bank all the same.

With their appearance, they could have been used for scratching, digging,
scraping, or for a weapon.

We had the opportunity that evening, to think about the thought that went
into selecting the pieces, roughly the same size - then being placed there.

Good story LOM - keep working!

Thanks for reading it...

Someone sent me an e-mail - asking if I had a pic of the deer that
frequented the area there. (This is from the east side.)

This is a better picture of the south side - taken from a different card on
the digital camera.

A Buck was presently licking the rocks at the moment. Top of the picture is
somewhat deceiving - the area drops off to a shelf where someone or something
can hide, and then escape or walk off. To the left is where the five pieces were
found - down below. Most of what took place in that time span, centered around
the south side of the tower.

Cool pics, nice looking country!

Thanxx for the story Lookoutman....
One questions though, did you take any pictures of the ledge, and "soapdish"??

FootDude-

A very good question!

And sometimes, a person thinks about these things later. Until we had a chance
to really think about this the opportunity was gone. At first, we really wanted to
believe that this place, and the 'pieces,' were man's placement. This could still be
of course.

If a person could do it all again - I'd just scoop them up...and bring them home.
It was the same with taking pics. I didn't think of taking pictures of something I
was thinking at the time as being human oriented.

I've had to chalk this up as Newbie researching. Live and learn...I guess. As I'd
mentioned - we looked for digging, scratching, prying - anything that would mean
their use. There was nothing.

I would have a hard time staying there, let alone sleeping after hearing that.....
But those are some beautfiul photos and an awesome area.

Scooter72-

As per the picture of the Tower, this Fire Lookout does put you on edge - only a
few steps from whatever visits. All the other Towers we've been to, had a rather
secure system to keep out unwanted guests. There's been reports of bears that
actually chew on the wooden stilts of the wooden Lookouts. I'm glad that the
heavy fire-screen we put up in front of the stairs below, didn't come down in
that almost two hour visit. We dreaded the possibility of hearing someone or
something coming up those steps in the dark. It takes something like this to get
us motivated into bringing possibly better lighting - 1 or 3 million candle power
lighting to the Lookouts now, just for an upgrade.

As I mentioned - the visit next year will feature a more indepth study of the
area. And I wish to add, that the rental system is a unique experience - many
take in the numerous Towers that are available.

It does sound like an awesome way to spend a vacation- awesome view, solitude, and a chance to run into the big guy!

Paysonfear-

Better picture of Tower. Fire-screen is in between stairs and wall. Fire-pit is
in fore-ground.

And from what I'm finding of the area, with other rentals nearby, is that some
locals - even for a one night stay, are arming themselves. One guy - a shotgun,
and a 44 magnum. New visitors found this strange - they only brought the 44
magnum. (Seems to be a lot of animals may come around, if you know what
I mean.) I guess I could always smuggle a 'sling-shot' across the border.

Not to spook you but judging the distance from ground to deck level it wouldn't take much for a possible full grown BF to reach up through the screen!

Bukwas-

Exactly - that thing can do pretty much anything it wants. Bobbie Short
hinted on the Sasquatch in that region. If that's what was on the concrete
that night, the head of such a creature would almost touch the catwalk -
that being your run-of-the-mill sized animal.

Better to have a gun and not need one than to need a gun and not have one, even if it's just a warning shot...

Thanks for the additional photo! If the steel door is of typical 7' height...looks like BF could easily do a Michael Jordan with those stairs and catwalk. Obviously they aren't into structural damage, I can imagine that place has spent hundreds of long nights up there uninhabitated. I wonder if any BF or any other creatures have ventured onto the catwalk. Hmm...makes for inetresting brain fodder.

I would have loved to spend a couple of nights there, before this thread. The scenery is absolutely awesome! But, then I read the thread...

Now, if I stayed in a place like this, I'd want it made totally out of cement/cement block, and 2 - 3 times as high. I'd want retractable stairs that could be locked in the upward position, somewhat like a city fire escape, with no way of anyone 10 feet tall with long arms being able to either touch or pull down the stairs. A locking steel trapdoor would be a must. I'd want the outside walkway/porch/whatever you call it(!!) to overhang the base of the lookout by 10 to 12 feet with a solid 3-foot high cement wall surrounding it, with no fingerhold possible anywhere along it.

Windows, with deeply imbedded thick steel bars, all around the lodging would be okay. The sleeping area would be located in the center of the room... :willies: And heavily armed guards stationed outside a double-bolted thick steel door would be great! A reliable means of communication to the outside world, within the living quarters, would be mandatory.

A platoon (exactly how many is that???) of marines surrounding the base of the lookout would also be mandatory. Maybe then I could sleep the night. Oh, also need indoor plumbing... And the room would have to be at least 14 foot in diameter so I'd feel secure in my bed in the middle of the room. :willies: In fact I have no idea how I could possibly arrange to get myself there in a super-safe fashoin to begin with! :doh:

So that's why I'm not a ranger. That's why I stay at a Holiday Inn. I'm wimpy! I just had a thought of how I could make my ultimate lookout even more secure, but you really don't want to know...


Oh boy, and I didn't even consider bringing food & toilet paper... :doh:

Maybe I should just stay in a lighthouse really close to a city, with take-out...

The more I think about your story, and look at the pictures of where you stayed, the more my hair stands on end......

Littlefoot...I'm with you 100% on this one. (ROTLMAO at your post, BTW !!!!!!)

There's a reason I like LOM7's experience, and relate to it. Also, I've never mentioned how I got my name for the forum. The place where I had my "not sure" encounter...well, it's in Payson, Arizona. We had a weekend house up there from 1969 until 1984. Most of the time I spent up there was between the ages of 5 and 16. Between the ages of 10 and 15, I voraciously read every BF book, magazine or clipping I could obtain, over and over, amassing quite a collection. Well, when we'd go up to the "cabin", the sleeping arrangement was my dad and I in one bedroom, my mom and sister at the other end of the house in the other bedroom, as my dad and I always got up early to go fishing, and the girls didn't want to be awakened in the AM. There was a 2'x3' window directly next to the bed, and me, on the south wall of the bedroom, and another 2'x3' window directly above our headboard on the west wall, both windows about 12" higher than the bed. Every night that I was in bed, I was sure that a hairy arm was going to crash through one of the windows, grabbing me and yanking me outside %$@###@ !!!!! What made matters worse, it was so damn quiet up there, and pitch black every night (no street lights) that it drove me nuts. Even though my dad was in the bed next to me, it was no consolation, it always took me 2-3 hours to fall asleep, cuz I was wide eyed, listening for every sound imaginable, waiting for footsteps on the gravel outside, twigs breaking, you name it. In all those years, did I ever hear anything sinister walking up to the house ? Nope. What's even funnier, after I had my "not sure" encounter, which was within walking distance of the place, I was able to fall asleep like a baby from then on. Why ? Who knows...maybe my brain related to something tangible rather than stressing over the unknown, LOL. One thing is for certain, if I was in LOM7's situation that night in the lookout tower, I would have needed a Fruit of the Loom truck, not to mention about 100 rolls of toilet paper just to get me through the 2 hours he spent wondering what the heck was outside.

Paysonfear, been there & done that! Your story reminds me of the first time I saw the movie about a murderous bigfoot terrorizing a ski lodge. :willies: By the middle of the movie I was afraid to go to the door to let the dog in 'cause it might be instead, standing there! :willies:

I was too petrified to go to the bathroom because the window was right next to the toilet and right outside that window were the steps up to the deck. I just knew that big hairy hand was going to snatch me while I was sitting there! Now, that's a scary picture! :rotflmao: That night was a real bladder-stretcher!!

I couldn't just change the TV channel 'cause I had to see the ending to make sure they killed it off at the end! I sat on the couch with my back to an interior wall for the rest of the movie. My bed was situated similar to yours, right under two windows, :hide: so I stayed on the couch until my husband got home... Didn't sleep well for weeks...

Oh, and I wasn't 10 or 15, I was 35 years old! :rotflmao: It's been over 20 years & I still get the willies when I think of that night...

Definately an interesting story. I am very interested in that semi-open south ridge that goes towards the river. Might be a good place to scout all the way to the river and see if there are any indications that sasquatch have used that ridge. At night, that route appears to provide them with safety from being observed and the ability to observe that tower during thier approach. Just a thought.

Littlefoot, I keep howling at your posts...theyre hilarious ! HG, I agree, it looks like a promising area from the looks of LOM7's pics. Although it seems like an easy proposition while I'm sitting here at my desk, during broad daylight in the middle of the city, I can't help to think what LOM would have seen if he ventured out on the catwalk and peered over the side with a flashlight. (shudders) He is right, though, knowing that at the time whatever it was (one or more individuals) that the number of occupants of the tower was unknown to all below. I don't blame him one bit for staying put.

Some interesting conversation to say the least.

There were a number of things that I found somewhat disturbing with
staying at this particular Lookout. Easy access to the deck was one of them.

But, for someone or something, to stay around for that long and not try
that screen, is strange. I had mentioned, that there were no other tracks
anywhere of another human being. I checked the road - no tracks there.
A gate is a mile-and-a-half down the road - no vehicle could get in - they
would have had to come in cross-country in the middle of the night on foot.
And I don't think that people would have spent time on the south side moving
rock - I know for a fact they didn't make that jump.

The knocks came from down below - the smell came on a breeze from down
below. The scream came from the general area to the south as well. The game
(deer) always came up from there. And yes, I think whatever visited, came
from that south corridor. I had mentioned, that when a hint of daylight began,
the movements had the visitor(s) moving off to the west. This then drops down
south.

And what has been mentioned by others, is that you have to look at your
visits to these Towers a little bit different. But I still highly recommend the
program. Just find a Tower that has the safety features. The structures have
been there for years, as well, many men and women that man them. Below
is one of the much safer structures.

Now thats my cup of tea. I could sleep like a drunk in Times Square way up in that kinda loft.

Lookoutman7,

I suggest that you not fear this animal. If it is a sasquatch, it (they) come out of curiosity and thier actions at the scene should be interpreted as such. If in fact, it was sasquatch that visited the tower, it (they) obviously made no threatening jestures. So you had options concerning your reaction. Sasquatch are not monsters, regardless what TV portrays. The opportunity to witness this animal is a valuable incident. Learn from it.

Mike...while of course I cannot speak for LOM7, and it does seem that we have some predication of "fear" on some of our posts within this thread, I don't think any cause for concern on behalf of LOM7 came from his fright or fear of a maurading, fang or weapon wielding BF. He was out in the wilderness, came across some peculiar finds, sounds and experiences, and that is where his cause for attention came from. He had his family there, he was not armed, and their lodging was hardly suitable for protection considering that he / they had NO idea what the heck was skulking around down below them at 2 AM. Moreover, in consideration of the comprehensive information and awesome pictures he has provided us here, obviously he did learn a tremendous amount from his experience. -PF

Mike-

Under the circumstances, and almost two hours of this to soak in, Adrian and
I discussed going out on that deck. We felt, that if it were indeed Sasquatch -
the one, or they, would scatter if seen. I have mentioned this before - I've
witnessed the creature in the past, twice. It is a huge animal, with keen
intelligence. But it is still an animal of the wilderness. And yes, we can be
thankful that they are mostly shy to the eyes of man. I've seen the thing run
though - I would not want to be on the receiving end of that charge.

But that is not the problem during that night. There's nothing I would like
better, than to come here and post an actual clear picture of the creature.
But it is the human creature that is the danger. As I stated - if it were men,
they would have a three mile round-trip to come in and jerk our chain...on
foot. And if we walk out on that deck, and they're equipped with firearms,
then we could have a problem. You have to have something wrong with you,
if you want to attempt that - bothering people in the night, in the middle of
nowhere. Remember - they don't know who we are either, and how many of
us are there. Many people (Americans) visiting these Towers, are armed. And
as I said, there was not one track anywhere of a human presence but ours.
I don't fear Sasquatch the same way that I fear man. Man is capable of anything.
But I appreciate your concern.

I must be missing something.
Absolutely nothing in your post indicates this experience has anything to do with a large hairy bi-pedal creature.
Why do you choose to speculate it could be Sasquatch related when it is far more likely that it was another known animal?
No offence - but how do you rule in Sasquatch and rule out known animals, ghosts, goblins, space aliens, and the Wicked Witch of the West?
Shouldn't we have some basis for our speculations?

Hi, guys,

My posts may be funny, and I intend them to be. However I'm dead serious in what I've said. I would have been scared to death if the same thing happened to me that happened to lookoutman7 & his family. It seemed like such a lovely place to stay, until I considered the isolation of the place & the wild life that could very likely be present that night. Bears, cougars, bigfoot, people with "not-so-good-intentions"... None of those things are something you want to confront in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night. Especially if you were unarmed...

If it had been just me, I would have been petrified. If I'd had my kids with me, I would have done anything to protect them, but would have been woefully inept & unprepared! I was really serious about that funny little picture I built of a high fortification way up there in the sky, complete with the Marines. Potential danger is, after all, potential danger. No animal group is entirely benign, including bigfoot or people.

Expect the best, be prepared for the worst. That's a good motto. I'm not prepared to handle the worst, so I don't put myself in iffy situations. That's why I don't camp out anymore. I just don't have the where-with-all to do it.

Sasquatch was a possibility, but so were bear & cougars. I wouldn't want to face off with any of them in the middle of the night. Some things just aren't worth taking a chance on...

Rockinkt-

Are you missing something - I don't know? Let's try the basis for the
speculations. We'll try the process of elimination.

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Re: Strange Happenings In N.W. Montana...
« Reply #7 on Aug 5, 2005, 10:05am »

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Looking at the visual presentation, ...thanks Gerry.... there is no adequate way to block the staircase up to the catwalk that appears to surround the tower from any animal I can think of that has a mind to climb them......

I know of no bear or predator feline that would have a curiosity about the lock on the first-floor door. No bear or cougar is going to negotiate those stairs unless there is a food source there, they follow their noses. You can almost certainly rule them out.

A cougar might be following a game trail of mule deer that goes through the base of the lookout building, but if it was a cougar, I am certain you wouldn't hear it, they stalk with too much stealth. A bear might follow the game trail too, they are clumsy oafs, but I seriously doubt you would hear a bear moving around and if you did, the sniffs, snorts and grunts give its identity away. Same with a wolverine, they do make a racket and they vocalize their displeasure clearly.

If it was a sasquatch, the staircase is no problem. Given the height of some of those reported in that area, and assuming that basement door is about standard height of six and a half feet high, the sasquatch at shortest is probably 7 1/2 to 8 feet tall or better with an arm reach of three and a half to four feet up....if it were to stand on that concrete platform at the base of the building, the sasquatch would have no problem reaching up to the catwalk and hoisting himself up if that were its inclination.

There is no reason to be afraid of them, they aren't going to terrorize the building because you're there, they probably watched it being built anyway and it just another curious intrusion into their domain.

You might borrow or pick up some night vision gear at the local war surplus store just for the berries of it, at least you can see what they look like first hand without disturbing them. In this day and age, I can't imagine anyone being in the woods without some level of nite vision anyway.........military surplus is affordable and it makes sense.

Thanks for an interesting Story Glen, I will add it to the next issue of the bigfoot newsletter online....

Bobbie Short


From Lookoutman-

That being said, there are only a limited amount of things that can tamper with
a padlock on a door that is on a raised concrete walk. In connection with this
alone happening, the following day prints or tracks were looked for in the
immediate area of the Tower. My wife's prints were in the area, as well our son's.
My print was also present. The deer that visited, their tracks were there. But what
hung around during that one night, for almost two hours, there was nothing. It
(or they) seemed to stick to the rocky surfaces mostly. That would take some
thought on their part.

That same night, the beer bottle that I had mentioned in the report was moved
aside. It was picked up, and placed between two rocks. In the same period, what
made that upwards jump of approximately four feet - when it came down, there
was a solid plant of footing, not a staggered shuffling of a number of feet or
hooves. The creature was heavy - heavy enough to cause a slight vibration that
we felt. This ruled out a man in this instance, as it would have taken three or
four of them to perform the jump. I don't think you or I could make that happen.

In the same period of time, something was outside moving rock. They also
moved around the Tower numerous times. But then came the 'whistle.' This was
just after something cleared it's throat or what I called a gargle of sorts. This
was enough as well, to eliminate the possibility of it being a number of creatures
in the forest. That whistle came on a delay of movement.

To make sure it wasn't the human animal, we checked the entire area as I said,
the next morning. There were no prints on the road, and nothing found. You would
think, that in two hours something would leave a track. We left shoe prints just
taking supplies to the stairway from our vehicle. If it was a moose, bear, cat, or
a number of other wilderness creatures, there would have been a possible print.
As for your ghost, goblin, space alien, and wicked witch - we all know the
Investigator who'll gladly endorse such things - I have no interest in that
direction, the paranormal end of it. (There was no anal probe found anywhere in
the vicinity.)

Unless there is a special breed of new animal in the forest, that is why the
Sasquatch is being speculated upon. Even the smell, and the scream of Friday
evening, houses the possibility. And out of curiosity in researching the area
after our visit, there was possible activity in the past, something that can be
pondered as well.

That's all I have...

Confucius say, : Always read post thoroughly, comprehensively, deductively and analytically before open mouth.

I did.
I say try deductive reasoning and look at the most likely explanations first.
See my following post for why I "opened my mouth" after finally reading enough of this false and ill-conceived rot being passed off as fact.