QUOTE(lookoutman7 @ Dec 18 2005, 07:33 AM)
QUOTE(rockinkt @ Dec 17 2005, 05:47 PM)
I must be missing something.
Absolutely nothing in your post indicates this experience has anything to do with a large hairy bi-pedal creature.
Why do you choose to speculate it could be Sasquatch related when it is far more likely that it was another known animal?Â
No offence - but how do you rule in Sasquatch and rule out known animals, ghosts, goblins, space aliens, and the Wicked Witch of the West?
Shouldn't we have some basis for our speculations?
Absolutely nothing in your post indicates this experience has anything to do with a large hairy bi-pedal creature.
Why do you choose to speculate it could be Sasquatch related when it is far more likely that it was another known animal?Â
No offence - but how do you rule in Sasquatch and rule out known animals, ghosts, goblins, space aliens, and the Wicked Witch of the West?
Shouldn't we have some basis for our speculations?
Rockinkt-
Are you missing something - I don't know? Let's try the basis for the
speculations. We'll try the process of elimination.
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Re: Strange Happenings In N.W. Montana...
« Reply #7 on Aug 5, 2005, 10:05am »
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Looking at the visual presentation, ...thanks Gerry.... there is no adequate way to block the staircase up to the catwalk that appears to surround the tower from any animal I can think of that has a mind to climb them......
I know of no bear or predator feline that would have a curiosity about the lock on the first-floor door. No bear or cougar is going to negotiate those stairs unless there is a food source there, they follow their noses. You can almost certainly rule them out.
A cougar might be following a game trail of mule deer that goes through the base of the lookout building, but if it was a cougar, I am certain you wouldn't hear it, they stalk with too much stealth. A bear might follow the game trail too, they are clumsy oafs, but I seriously doubt you would hear a bear moving around and if you did, the sniffs, snorts and grunts give its identity away. Same with a wolverine, they do make a racket and they vocalize their displeasure clearly.
If it was a sasquatch, the staircase is no problem. Given the height of some of those reported in that area, and assuming that basement door is about standard height of six and a half feet high, the sasquatch at shortest is probably 7 1/2 to 8 feet tall or better with an arm reach of three and a half to four feet up....if it were to stand on that concrete platform at the base of the building, the sasquatch would have no problem reaching up to the catwalk and hoisting himself up if that were its inclination.
There is no reason to be afraid of them, they aren't going to terrorize the building because you're there, they probably watched it being built anyway and it just another curious intrusion into their domain.
You might borrow or pick up some night vision gear at the local war surplus store just for the berries of it, at least you can see what they look like first hand without disturbing them. In this day and age, I can't imagine anyone being in the woods without some level of nite vision anyway.........military surplus is affordable and it makes sense.
Thanks for an interesting Story Glen, I will add it to the next issue of the bigfoot newsletter online....
Bobbie Short
From Lookoutman-
That being said, there are only a limited amount of things that can tamper with
a padlock on a door that is on a raised concrete walk. In connection with this
alone happening, the following day prints or tracks were looked for in the
immediate area of the Tower. My wife's prints were in the area, as well our son's.
My print was also present. The deer that visited, their tracks were there. But what
hung around during that one night, for almost two hours, there was nothing. It
(or they) seemed to stick to the rocky surfaces mostly. That would take some
thought on their part.
That same night, the beer bottle that I had mentioned in the report was moved
aside. It was picked up, and placed between two rocks. In the same period, what
made that upwards jump of approximately four feet - when it came down, there
was a solid plant of footing, not a staggered shuffling of a number of feet or
hooves. The creature was heavy - heavy enough to cause a slight vibration that
we felt. This ruled out a man in this instance, as it would have taken three or
four of them to perform the jump. I don't think you or I could make that happen.
In the same period of time, something was outside moving rock. They also
moved around the Tower numerous times. But then came the 'whistle.' This was
just after something cleared it's throat or what I called a gargle of sorts. This
was enough as well, to eliminate the possibility of it being a number of creatures
in the forest. That whistle came on a delay of movement.
To make sure it wasn't the human animal, we checked the entire area as I said,
the next morning. There were no prints on the road, and nothing found. You would
think, that in two hours something would leave a track. We left shoe prints just
taking supplies to the stairway from our vehicle. If it was a moose, bear, cat, or
a number of other wilderness creatures, there would have been a possible print.
As for your ghost, goblin, space alien, and wicked witch - we all know the
Investigator who'll gladly endorse such things - I have no interest in that
direction, the paranormal end of it. (There was no anal probe found anywhere in
the vicinity.)
Unless there is a special breed of new animal in the forest, that is why the
Sasquatch is being speculated upon. Even the smell, and the scream of Friday
evening, houses the possibility. And out of curiosity in researching the area
after our visit, there was possible activity in the past, something that can be
pondered as well.
That's all I have...
"I know of no bear or predator feline that would have a curiosity about the lock on the first-floor door. No bear or cougar is going to negotiate those stairs unless there is a food source there, they follow their noses. You can almost certainly rule them out.
A cougar might be following a game trail of mule deer that goes through the base of the lookout building, but if it was a cougar, I am certain you wouldn't hear it, they stalk with too much stealth. A bear might follow the game trail too, they are clumsy oafs, but I seriously doubt you would hear a bear moving around and if you did, the sniffs, snorts and grunts give its identity away. Same with a wolverine, they do make a racket and they vocalize their displeasure clearly."
Absolutely false information.
Bears do not always follow their noses. They are curious and will look everywhere for food. Bears play with locks, door knobs, and door hooks. They also play with chains on gates and wooden bars to open other said gates. Seen it done many times. Also lanterns left hanging, ropes, axes, fire extinguishers on heavy machines. You name it - they will play with it. Are old rubber tires a source of food? What about barrels of diesel??
I have shot bears off of second floor sundecks of abandoned houses in a mining ghost town where the company was getting PO'd with the damage these bears were doing. No food sources for at least 15 years. They did not fly up there.
You can certainly rule bears in as a very possible source of your problem.
Where in the heck do you get the idea that bears are clumsy oafs???????????
Ever see a bear actually stalk something? I have. Me. More than once. I have also interviewed people who have survived predatious bear attacks. If you don't believe me - read Sheldon or Herrero before you go off making such obviously false statements. As to sniffs, snorts and grunts giving it away - you are sorely mistaken if you think you will always hear such things with bears around your camp.
Cougars have been known to break into buildings and certainly they are not using a key - therefore they will make noise. Cats are curious. Shot a cougar on a golf course that was playfully batting at the flag on hole #3.
When was the last time you saw a wolverine in the wild??????
Did you observe it long????
Again - you are wrong.
Disney or the Discovery channel is not the place to get your info.
Due to rarity and other habits - I would not expect a cougar or a wolverine to have caused your noises - but you cannot rule out such animals if they are known to be in your area.
That being said - there are far more likely animals than Sasquatch making the noises you heard.
Heck - I wouldn't even rule out pack-rats or squirrels. There are small - but they make noise that may seem much louder when your senses are heightened by fear.
"There were no prints on the road, and nothing found. You would
think, that in two hours something would leave a track."
Yes I would. So...explain to me why a Sasquatch wouldn't.
Of course - you may have little knowledge or experience in tracking animals and just missed what others would see as obvious signs. I don't know the reason YOU did not see tracks - that does not mean that there were no track marks made.
Of course - you could be experienced and might have expected to see any such sign.
Still, I see no relationship between no tracks and sasquatch.
"But then came the 'whistle.' This was
just after something cleared it's throat or what I called a gargle of sorts. This
was enough as well, to eliminate the possibility of it being a number of creatures
in the forest."
How does it eliminate bear, human, or other animals? You are describing a sound you heard. It may have had absolutely nothing to do with a throat of any animal. Have you the knowledge and experience to eliminate it from a sound a bear might make? What about a deer burping?? Hey - what about a human clearing it's throat? How do you know that the whistle and the other sound came from the same animal - or even the same type of animal??? There are numerous animals out and about at the same time in the bush. Or where they were in relationto each other if you were not observing them. Sounds are sometimes very tricky to accurately locate in the bush.
When using the process of elimination - eliminate using the facts - not using wishfull thinking or false/ill-conceived information.
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