Hello, I'm new to the board, but I've been reading for a few months now. I love this place... great forum!

Anyway... my question to you all is, and I'm sorry if it's been posted already :surrender: but do you believe the "Fouke monster" made famous by "The Legend of Boggy Creek," is still alive and traveling the swamps of Fouke Arkansas, or do you believe whatever it was either died or moved on due to years of minimal sightings.

Adding to the subject... Smokey Crabtree says his eight foot skeleton could be the monster, but many including Grover Krantz have dismissed the bones as that of a lion. What are your thoughts?

Thanks for the info!

hi the lizard king good evening wow thats great to hear the fouke monster aka is still prowling boggy creek. so any new sightings lately. welcome to the bigfoot forum you will find alot info about the fouke monster from other arkansas sasquatch researchers here. please keep me defietly informed. im glad to hear smokey crabtree is doing great. im sure he still gets reports from people about the fouke monster. sidenote maybe these new fouke sasquatch sightings have something to do with hurricane katrina becouse the creatures in louisana swamps forests might have went to safer swamps such as boggy creek. my opinion. thanks bill green

Smoky's skeleton is a big cat....cougar or lion..something like that. The people in the Fouke area have been seeing something upright and hairy since the 1940's so I believe there is something there. The habitat is good. I don't believe it is the same animal all these years. Some have seen juvenile size animals and the tracks have varied, so I don't think there's just one old hairy ape running around since the 40s.

Teresa

For as long as people have been having sightings of the Fouke monster no way it could have always been the same animal. Same can be said for different names in many different places. People always seem to think well that thing has been being sighted for 200 years so no way it could be anything real. Well DUH it had some babies at some time and will continue to be sighted for 200 more years I hope.

So yes I do think what ever it is could still be alive and running around the swamps some place.

hi arsquatch & micahn those are both great replys about the fouke monster. i agree the swamps near & around boggy creek are wonderful habitat a sasquatch creature family. michan i agree it couldnt be the same creature in boggy creek but maybe offsprings of the creature. i hope researchers here go to boggy creek soon to look for new possible sasquatch evidence with camcorders camtrackers & cameras. has any possible sasquatch footprints been found near boggy creek resently. arsquatch i know smokey crabtree has 3 books about the fouke monster so far. i wonder if a new documentary about the fouke sasquatch is in the works. please keep me posted. thanks bill green

If I hear or see anything....you'll be the first person I let know Bill

hi arsquatch thanks for the reply. yes keep me posted if hear of any rumers of sasquatch activity in boggy creek or the sulpher river bottoms. thanks bill

Years ago I talked with Grover Krantz, and he told me he was upset he wasted his time, he drove all the way down here to Arkansas to see Smokey's skeleton, and he thought it was a large African Lion missing it's head and most of it's tail.
If you look closely at the pics of the feet in one of Smokey's books, you can tell the feet are non-primate.

What clearly upset him the worst, was that if he had walked an extra hundred feet at a fair, he would have been the first Anthropologist to see the Minnesota Iceman!
He never lived that one down.

RB and I are going there on our way to the Texas Conference...it's part of my wedding present! (I'm easy to please...Fouke visit and 3rd gen night vision).

Legend of Boggy Creek is the reason I went into bigfooting. God bless Travis Crabtree.

Hey Bill (billgreen2005bigfoot), any chance you are coming to the Texas Conference? I'd love to meet you someday!

hi hairyman good evening thanks for the reply. i have noway to getting to the texas bigfoot conferance but if you videotape it please email me. do you go to boggy creek area with your cameras to photograph possible sasquatch evidence. please keep me posted ok. thanks bill . sidenote do you go in the forests in northern california to look sasquatch evidence.

Hi everyone, thanks for the replies!

I find the legend of the Fouke Monster to be one of the best in Bigfoot history. Besides "Patty" can you name another creature that's gotten as much media attention? I don't think I can.

I also agree that I believe there were/are several creatures and not just one as the movie depicts. I've heard heights from six to nine feet and red to black hair. Granted, many of the sightings may have been created, but if I was going to "create" a sighting, I think I'd follow the lines of what someone else said, "Yeah, I seen him, he was seven foot, and red hair all over," instead of saying, "He was only about six foot, and had black ish-grayish hair."

Anyway... has anyone read any of Smokey's books, and if so (Sorry I know this is the wrong forum for this) but would anyone like to sell theirs or trade for something?

Thanks!

ooh..I wanna go!! Can I go? I'll put my tent way across the way so I won't hear all that monkey love if I can just hang out with you guys and the 3rd generation night vision. can I... can I.... huh... huh?? I'll bring chocolate

Isn't Smoky still printing those puppies up in his garage? He'd sell you one for less than what a collector would sell one for.

There are still reports coming out of Fouke so there's definitely something going on next door in Miller County. I've been trying to get a gentleman to take me to where he had his encounter with the unknown, but so far no luck.

T

Edited to say thanks...I now have that Travis Crabtree song stuck in my head.


Hey Travis Crabtree..........
.......where nobody sees.... the flowers bloom but me......

Somebody just shoot me now.... :doh:

hi arsquatch good evening thanks for the fouke monster activity update. i hope you get to talk with the eyewittness on the phone or in person about the encounter. keep us posted ok. yes i agree i do like the song in the orginal boggy creek movie. thanks bill

Edited to say thanks...I now have that Travis Crabtree song stuck in my head.


Hey Travis Crabtree..........
.......where nobody sees.... the flowers bloom but me......

Somebody just shoot me now...[/QUOTE]

That song rocks! LOL

Hey Travis Crabtree
Wait a minute for me
Let's go back to the bottoms
Back where the fish are bitin'
Where all the worlds invitin'
And nobody sees the flowers bloom but me

And then of course we can't forget this classic...

This is where the river flows
Rising when the storm cloud blows
This is where the creature goes
Safe within a world he knows

Perhaps he simply wonders why
There is no other such as I
To love to touch before I die
To listen to my lonely cry

Damn... just writing those lyrics makes me wanna' pop the tape into the VCR and watch that movie.

BTW... while we're on the Fouke monster subject... is there any known pictures of the monster? I thought I had one time seen a picture of someone who claimed to have a taken a picture of it.

Thanks a million!

You can order his books at his website:


www.smokeyandthefoukemonster.com


He even autographs the books.

I found these pics in a wallpaper newsgroup. They're not actually from Arkansas, but I thought they looked nice and creepy. I had to watch "Boggy Creek" today to get the quotes right.

Has anyone read any of the three books, and if so, which ones do you think are the best talking about the monster... to be honest, I could really give a rats a$$ about his time rowing his boat back and forth to work for twenty years, or him shooting a boar that almost killed him. :bf:

BTW... COOL PICS MAN! I'M GONNA' USE "...UNTIL THE SUN GOES DOWN."

AWESOME!

Oh...gee...thanks for the entire lyrics...now I can just sing the whole thing for the next two or three days it's going to take me to get that song out of my head.

There was a picture that EC Woolheater posted on here that disappeared out of the monster mart or somewhere in Fouke...but for my money it looked like somebody in a suit to me. Anybody know which thread that was?

hi arsquatch & researchers here another resent arkansas sasquatch sighting that i found in the tbrc website. http://www.texasbigfoot.com/FranklinCoAR1.html maybe you all can to the sighting location to look for possible sasquatch evidence it a very interesting sasquatch sighting. please keep me posted ok. thanks bill

Wow Bill thank you for posting that sighting from the TBRC, it's a great sighting and very interesting in many ways.

Dear Bill Green,

Thanks for always being optimistic! There you are, post after post. Nothing seems to get you down. It doesn't matter what anyone else is saying, you always say the same thing:

1. Get out there again.
2. Keep looking.
3. Always bring a camera or a camcorder.
4. Document footprints.
5. Talk to eywitnesses & others in the area.
6. Keep us all posted as to what you find.

And above all, have faith. That's what you say.

Thank you! You're very encouraging!

My day isn't exctly going well today. I just want to log off and go to bed. Tomorrow is another day. And I know I can count on you to be just as encouraging tomorrow as yesterday & today. You're a really nice guy. Keep up the good work, and keep up your research.

Ummm...it's our honeymoon.... but ok!

OMG...you're worse than me!

We need to start a Travis Crabtree fanclub!!!

WAHOOOOO!

Who's in???????????

Oh yes Bill. I'm Kathy Moskowitz Strain...former BFRO curator. I wrote that completely awesome paper on the Hairy Man rock art :notworthy: . Have you read that? I can send you the link if you like. I was on the Willow Creek Symposium DVD too.

Craig said the Texas Conference is going to be DVD too...hopefully without my face on it!

So, yes, Bill I go out to search for bigfoot nearly every weekend. Most weekends I don't find much, but I do enjoy being screamed at by a bigfoot. One of these days he's going to get too close to me and I'm going to get a handful of hair!

hi volsquatch & littlefoot thanks for the nice posts to me. im glad you all injoyed that arkansas sighting that posted here. i hope it realy helped with all your sasquatch research. thanks bill p.s hairyman thanks for the reply also please keep me posted. i think i saw the hairyman rockart on a sasquatch synposium dvd once they looked very interesting.

[/QUOTE] OMG...you're worse than me!

We need to start a Travis Crabtree fanclub!!!

WAHOOOOO!

Who's in??????????? [QUOTE]

LOL, Right on! Lets do it...

Hey speaking of Travis... whatever happened to him? Still alive? Still in the Fouke area? Anyone know?

I have his first two books, and they are a good read. He goes on about his life and a lot of other stuff besides bigfoot, but it's still entertaining.
Don't have his 3rd one though.

Yeah, but that was more likely than not a fake anyway.

Travis is related to my brother-in-law. I hear Travis dons a big hairy suit and runs around scaring people these days. Of course Travis was the high school kid in the boat and burning himself frying the eggs in the movie, so he wouldn't have been made a very scary squatch back in the day. I don't think he was responsible for the "Fouke Monster" Anyway....That's what I heard about Travis.

I can't remember if that was actually Travis in the movie or not. I want to say it was. Do any of the movie buffs know if that was Travis?

Travis is related to my brother-in-law. I hear Travis dons a big hairy suit and runs around scaring people these days. Of course Travis was the high school kid in the boat and burning himself frying the eggs in the movie, so he wouldn't have been made a very scary squatch back in the day. I don't think he was responsible for the "Fouke Monster" Anyway....That's what I heard about Travis.

I can't remember if that was actually Travis in the movie or not. I want to say it was. Do any of the movie buffs know if that was Travis?[QUOTE]

Wow, that's really cool. So he really wears a Bigfoot suit and scares people? Interesting. If that's true (which I believe you if you say that) it seems as though Travis is trying hard to continue on the legend of the Fouke monster.

I was in Fouke back in July '05 and was surprised to find a four lane highway going over a good part of Boggy Creek. The last time I had been there was back in '94 and the swampy areas came up to within a half mile or so of Fouke, now, most of it's been drained off and cleared. A lot of homes have been built right up to the edge of the Sulpher River Wildlife Management Area where the creature would have to hole up at, I traveled down quite a few back roads before finding a way to get back into the bottoms of the Sulpher river and most of those were crowded with houses.

If the creature still is around, he is way back in BFE, way too much civilization around there now.

hi darkwing great post but i think the fouke monster aka sasquatch prowls way up the creeks and the sulpher river bottoms to try to avoid humans. im sure some of people of fouke are starting to find footprints in woods all we can do is wait. thanks bill p.s. im sure the creature will probley try to prowl near the town again

Have you looked at the Fouke AR area and the area of Boggy Creek using Terra-server? That's some of the most remote inaccessible country I've ever seen. The best way to see it is to get out of the car and walk through some of those areas away from the main highway 71.

How much time did you spend in Fouke and how much driving around did you do as opposed to getting out of the car and traversing the countryside on foot back in the swamps?

This eight foot skelton Smokey found is a cat, based on experts belief. For some reason Smokey is trying to pass this thing on as a BigFoot, but the consensus is a "black panther" of sorts. Great find however. Very rare in those parts of the country.

[quote=The Lizard King,Sep 11 2005, 01:50 PM] Travis is related to my brother-in-law. I hear Travis dons a big hairy suit and runs around scaring people these days. Of course Travis was the high school kid in the boat and burning himself frying the eggs in the movie, so he wouldn't have been made a very scary squatch back in the day. I don't think he was responsible for the "Fouke Monster" Anyway....That's what I heard about Travis.

I can't remember if that was actually Travis in the movie or not. I want to say it was. Do any of the movie buffs know if that was Travis?[QUOTE]

Wow, that's really cool. So he really wears a Bigfoot suit and scares people? Interesting. If that's true (which I believe you if you say that) it seems as though Travis is trying hard to continue on the legend of the Fouke monster. [/quote]
I don't know if he does or not. My bro-in-law won't discuss any of the goings on in Fouke intelligently at all, is quite closed minded about the entire thing, actually and says it was all a big hoax. I don't know whether Travis is actually donning a suit or not, just thought I'd add that bit of trivia for what it's worth. That's an awful good way to get yourself shot in a community as small as Fouke where hunting puts food on the table for lots of folks. I have to say it wouldn't surprise me to see some of the "good ole' boys" in Fouke donning a suit to scare the tourists who come to see Fouke and "experience" the movie. It would scare the crap out of me if I were camping way back in the bottoms and some nut in a suit came running out. LOL It would also surprise me to find out that Travis was screwing up Smoky's business hoaxing when Smoky is writing books about his experience with the "monster." I wouldn't think Smoky would appreciate that kind of activity by a family member.

I was in Fouke not too long ago myself (this year) and the town of Fouke, itself is pretty much as it's always been, just a wide spot in the road. Small frame houses with a brick house here and there on hwy 71, the Monster Mart and a post office and a couple of convenience stores. There is some construction going on with some big 4 lanes off in the distance that can be seen from Hwy 71 that look like they are going nowhere to me. At least my husband and I couldn't make any sense of them. Stretches here and there that end in dirt on both ends and other stretches there the same way. I guess they will get around to hooking those together at some point. It may have changed some since then. I don't know if that's the new interstate project going on or what that is. I will say the kudzu and bois d'arc vines that used to shroud everything close to 71 making it look spooky and mysterious have been cut back and the trees have been cut back a ways from Hwy 71, but it's still thick where the cutting and cleaning stopped.

I don't know what Darkwing saw, I've lived here all my life and Fouke hasn't changed very much to me. It's a small bedroom community to Texarkana and Shreveport much further away. It has no commerce besides farming, or ranching of its own, and now the highway/interstate/whatever those 4-lanes going nowhere are is the only employment opportunities in Fouke. The jobs that pay better require peope to commute to work outside Fouke, unless you're a successful farmer or rancher.

Texas Tracker can probably tell you quite a bit about the areas around Fouke. I think the TBRC has done some investigating and camping in the Fouke area.

hi arsquatch fouke & boggy creek will always have be famous for the fouke monster i dont think its a hoax but maybe certain townpeople there probley still dont what the fouke monster realy is. yes the tbrc has done at least 3 expedtions to boggy creek and sulpher river bottoms. ecwool probley can give us more additinal info as well . thanks bill

Here's a little music tid bit I put together one night in honor of our favoooorrrrite movie....




Think

This kind of thing really get's to me. There just is not enough true wilderness anymore. Even the 'wilderness areas' are not true wilderness. One of the worst things that can be experienced is to treck for a coupld days into the wilderness only to come across a forest service road. That just takes the wind out of you.

Also, on our subject here....

The spread of 'civilization' (and I say that with a smirk) into the wetlands of Fouke has probably pushed the 'creature' either into the Texas Big Thicket area or north into Oklahoma. As we continue to take over wilderness areas Bigfoot is forced into smaller and smaller areas, possibley even forced into extinction if we are not careful.

[quote=ARsquatch,Sep 12 2005, 08:07 PM] [QUOTE=The Lizard King,Sep 11 2005, 01:50 PM] Travis is related to my brother-in-law. I hear Travis dons a big hairy suit and runs around scaring people these days. Of course Travis was the high school kid in the boat and burning himself frying the eggs in the movie, so he wouldn't have been made a very scary squatch back in the day. I don't think he was responsible for the "Fouke Monster" Anyway....That's what I heard about Travis.

I can't remember if that was actually Travis in the movie or not. I want to say it was. Do any of the movie buffs know if that was Travis?[QUOTE]

Wow, that's really cool. So he really wears a Bigfoot suit and scares people? Interesting. If that's true (which I believe you if you say that) it seems as though Travis is trying hard to continue on the legend of the Fouke monster. [/QUOTE]
I don't know if he does or not. My bro-in-law won't discuss any of the goings on in Fouke intelligently at all, is quite closed minded about the entire thing, actually and says it was all a big hoax. I don't know whether Travis is actually donning a suit or not, just thought I'd add that bit of trivia for what it's worth. That's an awful good way to get yourself shot in a community as small as Fouke where hunting puts food on the table for lots of folks. I have to say it wouldn't surprise me to see some of the "good ole' boys" in Fouke donning a suit to scare the tourists who come to see Fouke and "experience" the movie. It would scare the crap out of me if I were camping way back in the bottoms and some nut in a suit came running out. LOL It would also surprise me to find out that Travis was screwing up Smoky's business hoaxing when Smoky is writing books about his experience with the "monster." I wouldn't think Smoky would appreciate that kind of activity by a family member.

I was in Fouke not too long ago myself (this year) and the town of Fouke, itself is pretty much as it's always been, just a wide spot in the road. Small frame houses with a brick house here and there on hwy 71, the Monster Mart and a post office and a couple of convenience stores. There is some construction going on with some big 4 lanes off in the distance that can be seen from Hwy 71 that look like they are going nowhere to me. At least my husband and I couldn't make any sense of them. Stretches here and there that end in dirt on both ends and other stretches there the same way. I guess they will get around to hooking those together at some point. It may have changed some since then. I don't know if that's the new interstate project going on or what that is. I will say the kudzu and bois d'arc vines that used to shroud everything close to 71 making it look spooky and mysterious have been cut back and the trees have been cut back a ways from Hwy 71, but it's still thick where the cutting and cleaning stopped.

I don't know what Darkwing saw, I've lived here all my life and Fouke hasn't changed very much to me. It's a small bedroom community to Texarkana and Shreveport much further away. It has no commerce besides farming, or ranching of its own, and now the highway/interstate/whatever those 4-lanes going nowhere are is the only employment opportunities in Fouke. The jobs that pay better require peope to commute to work outside Fouke, unless you're a successful farmer or rancher.

Texas Tracker can probably tell you quite a bit about the areas around Fouke. I think the TBRC has done some investigating and camping in the Fouke area. [/quote]
Isn't that part of the I-69 route from Lorado to Novascocia? Existing US59 to Marshal, then east to Memphis then North East to the I-65 area then north.

The amount of land changing in the past few decades is dramatic. Back in the 70's we had a bigfoot flap in the northern subburbs of Pittsburgh. I grew up hunting in that area--and, despite the fact that it was only in the ballpark of 20 miles from Pittsburgh's city limits, it was very rural. Now one can drive up there much faster thanks to improved infrastructure, and what was once farms and woodlands are now nice cul-de-sacs full of cookie cutter houses. From what I hear, that's America . . . .

BTW--Lyndon, I do agree about the Iceman, but recently did some reading about it. Seems that if it was a hoax it was fairly elaborate--not a cut and dry story by any means.

hi samoyedowner good afternoon wow totaly agree with your reply but think most the states like arkansas have a sasquatch flap like in the summer spring & fall. dureing the winter the creatures probley move to warmer areas. thanks bill

Hi samoyedowner,

Well all I can say is that the explanations for the Iceman seem to be more and more elaborate as time goes on. There is just too much inconsistency, changing of stories, new theories and ideas about it etc for me to take it very seriously. Nothing seems to add up at all. It 'sounds' a classic hoax story.

One of the problems I have with the Iceman is the endorsement from Bernard Heuvelmans. This is a man who made some shockingly inaccurate biological 'observations' about the P/G footage and pronounced it as a fake. This is the same man who described over 20 different varieties of sea serpent and was serious about it. Sheeesh, can you believe that? Heuvelmans seems to have been a dreamer, or at least a wishful thinker. Heuvelmans never lived in the real world. That's my view of him. Heuvelmans seemed to take more stock in the silly picture of the ONE Yeti print taken by Eric Shipton in the Himalayas than the DOZENS AND DOZENS (hundreds actually) of Sasquatch prints from America and Canada.

I honestly and truly believe that Heuvelmans had some jealousy about the P/G footage because that footage made far more of an impact (and continues to do so to this day) than his 'Iceman' nonsense ever did and this upset him greatly. As a result, he tended to denegrade the P/G footage whenever he was asked about it (with anti comments). Heuvelmans made a fool out of himself by sticking to silly stories about the 'Iceman' being brought to America in a body bag via Vietnam. This was his downfall in my opinion.

I take no stock in Heuvelman's opinions.

Hey Maheekat nice job! There isn't any chance you could put together the "Hey Travis Crabtree" song or the, "This is where the river flows..." song? That'd be awesome. If you can't do it, I understand... but that'd be great if you could... THANKS!

hi arkansas sasquatch researchers did you all go to boggy creek or the sulpher river bottoms or other possible old or new sasquatch hotspots in arkansas this weekend i hope you all took some photos of possible sasquatch evidence. has anyone visited monster mart resently is there any new fouke monster items there. thanks bill please keep me posted.

Hey Bill! No, I didn't make it over to Fouke this past weekend, but I am going to try and get over that way when the weather cools down a little bit here. I went out in the woods here and scouted around on Sunday, but it's so dry that I couldn't have found a bf track if he was walking right in front of me. I'll keep you posted on anything I find.

hi jayleed thanks for the reply well at least you looked around your woods on sunday for evidence but oh well i hope find some evidence soon when you go back out. yeah its going to warmer weather in arkansas next week. yes keep me posted if hear any possible sightings or not sure encounters in your state. thanks bill

I know--the story about the thing being shot in Vietnam really was news to me: hadn't heard it before a few months ago and it does sound like a far-fetched stretch. Your observations about BH really do hold some water, and this opens up a real area of doubt for me. I t wasn't until I started on this forum that I became aware of the extreme friction and duplicity that occurs in cryptozoology. To many of the researchers here that has got to sound very "green", but I have never moved in any of these circles. I think in some ways the lack of integretity among the "pros" is the best weapon in the skeptic arsenal. Oh well--enough rambling off-topic and maybe time for a :guinness: Don't know who invented that smiley but thanks. Cheers!

Thanks for your reply also, Bill. Migration does seem like the most likely explanation of the occurence of flaps. Of course, things gotta be better in Fouke in mid-winter than they are up here!

Hmmmm.....like redo the song or sample some of it with other stuff? Hmmm...I'll think about that.

Yeah... I love both those songs... even if you could just put up a sample or something.

Thanks a bunch, you rock!