Ok before anyone scolds the newbie about not using the Search option on this subject, I did and got exactly zero. Well only a few comments about the Samurai recordings that were taken from these CD's. In any case I apologize if this topic has been beaten to death already but perhaps I was just too dumb to figure out the search engine on this thing. If there is already a thread on this topic and you can find it please post it for me. Thanks.

Has anyone else purchased and listened to these CD's? What are your thoughts? I have purchased both CD's and have listened to each about 10 times so far. I find them very compelling but with everything I like to keep an open mind and a healthy skepticism with all the evidence. I agree that some of it sounds fake but on the other hand there has been some studies done on the recordings that show that some of the sounds are outside of the human vocal range. Also if the stories behind when, where, and how these recordings were made is true it seems almost impossible to me that it was a prank or a hoax.

On the other hand. Some of the sounds seem almost too clear and too good to be true. I wonder if some of the sounds that come thru as being outside the normal vocal range could be accomplished by speaking into a large tube or other some such device.

Anyhow what does everyone think of these. If you don't know what I'm talking about here is the site.

http://www.bigfootsounds.com/

Steve

On part of the first recording, I think the little one says "Hey pops, let me have some of them vittles."
and Pops responds "Shut up, ya little turd, I'm busy eating."

It's emotional and it's back and forth responding......sounds like language to me.

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...l=sierra+sounds

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=10453&st=0

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=10077&hl=

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4516&hl=

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=691&st=0



Hope these help.

Thanks JayleeD. I figured this must have been discussed in depth as I personally concider this to be some fo the more compelling evidence for the existance of BF and warrents further research. And it is apparently true that I am just an idiot and can't figure out the search function. LOL. Thanks.

Steve

Oh don't worry about that....the search feature here sucks.....totally sucks. I've just been around so long that I remember things being discussed before. Welcome to the BFF by the way. I hope you enjoy your stay!

MightyMet wrote:



Why?

You are kiddin', right ?

If not, please tell us the disk, track and time where you think this happens. Ta.

I swear the Tahoe Scream is a young male asking his mom for his allowance...and her telling him that no, his room isn't clean yet.

What is my scientific basis for that? Come to my house at the end of the month and see if it sounds similar....

nope.



1st disc, I'll check the track/time and get back.

I have purchased one of the CD’s. I agree with you that the vocals are just to clear to convince me it is real. I have professional parabolic sound recording equipment and I can’t record nature’s sounds that clear. Sounds like they were very close to the mic. The great narration make the CD a little more believable and mysterious, and the narrator has a real gift for telling a story, and what a great voice. A professional broadcast voice in my opinion. But take away the narration and the filler music, and the sounds become quite laughable.

Also if these guy have spent that much time returning to the same place why have they not put as much effort in trying to get photos, or even cast of the prints? And they refuse to divulge their secret location, which always raises my suspicion.

I won’t go far as to say these are 100% fakes and the makers are following PT Barnum’s philosophy there is a sucker born every minute – but I do have my suspicions. Regardless if they are real or not they are kinda fun to stick in the CD player on the way to a squatching location.

:argue:

While the sounds are very interesting, they are awful clear. I didn't think they dragged super high tech recording equipment up into the Sierras, and the sasquatch sound as clear as if they were sitting around the fire playing cards with them.
I dunno.......

I've had both CDs for quite a while now, and I'm still not sure..... the 'BF 911 Call' is pretty wild on CD #2 !!!
I'm not convinced about that one either.

If you play them backwards, you hear Ozzy Osbourne.

And for quite a long time too. One segment I have heard sounds to me like a dog barking with someone in the background talking to the dog.

I'm reminded of that bit in Father Ted where Father Ted explains to Father Dougal that the sheep outside the window look small because they are a long way away, and the toy sheep looks big because it's closer...

No ?

Ok - well, IMO the sounds sound close because they are so damned loud ! I think that really comes across in the recordings, that the volume of the responses is phenomenal.

I have sent several emails to the Seirra Sounds people, trying to find out what recording equipment was being used. Given the year of the recordings, it would have to be reef to reef analog stuff for sure. The best choice in that era would be Nagra field tape recorders, or similar. But I never reveved any response from these people on several attempts. I also asked about microphones, cables, distances, and were the microphones hidden in some way........nothing.

The insert in CD #1 has a map showing the layout of the camp and where the mike was placed away from the camp. The clarity bothered me too and in fact they even mention in their own CD that the clarity was cause for doubt. Odd that they would include a comment like that. Of course it could have just been dumb luck that the recorded creatures were in the immediate area of the microphone.

As for the camp you can see photos of it and though they could easily have taken them anywhere it does appear to be quite remote. I have little doubt that the camp exists though there is no way to prove that it's as far out as they say it is and there is no way to prove that the recordings where made at the camp. Though I would suspect if such an encounter could possibly occur it would most certainly have to be in such a remote location where BF would feel more at home and in his own element.

Has anyone read the statement by the linguist on their site?

I won't say that I'm 100% convinced that these recordings are legit I'm not willing to discount them out of hand. If they are in fact a hoax they are pretty good ones.

As for the 911 call it is quite chilling. I think I read somewhere that the recording came from some place in WA. Based on my own law enforcement related experiences limited as they are I do believe that at the very least these are legit 911 calls. No telling what the person is seeing but he does sound frightened and confused.

All of this of course is IMHO.

Steve

Steve

Thanks Mighty! I didn't see the map.

How long ago?

I tried several emails, but none in over a year.

I thought all that info was in the book by Al Berry and Ann Slate. I could be wrong though.

Yup, it's in there....

Has anyone here read this book by the way? Is it ny good? Is it worth buying or reading? After you read it did make you more or less inclined to beleive that the recordings were genuine?

I thought it was a very good book. It helped explain a lot of the histories behind the recordings.

I know that if I had heard the Seirra Sounds recordings before I had my encounter with simular "voices", I would have probably thought the recordings to be hilarious. The way it all happened for me though, is that I heard the deep "samurai" voices mumbling to each other before I even knew there were any recordings. Listening to the recordings validated my experience for me. I can't help but think that BF has a language, but no clue as to how complex it may be. What would you think they talk about: sex, food, and who's the biggest boy -or- food, sex, and who's the biggest boy?

Someone has both CD's on ebay right now.

I thought I'd compare these sounds to the Ohio and New Mexico samples - well - let me just say interesting big difference.

Here is an MP3 of the sound once it was fixed so it did not clip (but of course the clipping that was recorded into the wav file contributes to a lot of lost data).

And here is the spectrual analysis - Hmmmmmmm



Comments???????

I think everyone should own a copy of this tape. But don't go paying for it. Ive had my copy for over 7 years and never paid for it. Find a site to download it from. Interesting stuff, but it won't make anyone a bigfoot believer.

Joe Heinan
Minnesota Bigfoot

It's this very reason that I think its odd that so many people dismiss it out of hand just because it doesn't sound like say an Ohio Howl. It seems almost insane to me to think that these creatures do not communicate to each other in some other form beyond howling. Especially with there being more then one report of people hearing what amounts to jibberish. Almost human sounding yet not quite. Too me that's exactly what they caught on tape. Its as if you can almost make out what they are saying yet you just can't. At any rate I find them fascinating and I find them difficult to dismiss completely.

It's not a bad read, IMO. Several fairly freaky encounters written up. Fair warning,
though, whole chapters of the book and many of the reports are strongly concerned with "psychic elements", including the seirra encounter itself.
Other than that, I'd say it's a good book for a quiet night alone.

.....um....wildernessguy....Can you please explain to me what your spectral analysis means. Your "Hmmmmmm" makes me wonder if this sound has some anomaly that we should know about. Being somewhat technically challenged, I would need instruction on how to understand your graph.

Thanks

I have both CDs and find them absolutely fascinating. They are, to me, the audio counterpart to the Patty film . . . very compelling (to some, not to others) and no way on earth to prove or disprove them (unless, as with Patty, someday someone comes forward to prove and demonstrate just how it was done -- assuming either or both are fakes.)

I have one question for those of you who used to be involved in the BFRO. I'm inclined to ask Hairy Man this question, though I don't know exactly why (maybe because I know she was heavily involved in the outfit and probably spent some time with the more prominent members): So here goes.

Kathy -- isn't it true that Ron Morehead, who was intimately involved with these recordings right from the start, is a BFRO member? If so, I assume you've spent some time with him on expeditions or in forums, etc. What is your personal opinion of his credibility? I know that's a blunt question, but I'd tend to put a lot of faith in your take on this, and if you think he comes across as sincere in the same way as, say, Bob Gimlin, I'd feel comfortable thinking the recordings are likely genuine. Any thoughts?

Anyone else who's had contact with him enough to have a feel for his sincerity is certainly welcome to answer this, as well. I, too, sent several emails to try and get some information but none of them have ever been replied to. That alone leaves me with a somewhat nasty taste in my mouth.

Hi, CaveArt. I don't pretend to know what wildernessguy's "Hmmmm" might mean either, but here's the skinny on how to read the graph; and why such graphs are so useful.

You are looking at the visual representation of a soundwave. The sound wave moves from left to right on the graph as it is recorded and as it is played back. For example, right now you are reading these words, left-to-right, on the page as the sentence unfolds.

Most kids with computers today (and all pro recording studios) have audio mixing software, so that they can do their own hiphop and 'beats' at home. This portion of that type of software (like an oscilloscope) allows one to visually see the soundwaves that are created. You are looking at the plotted graph of an audio waveform, in this case, a specific portion of the recorded "samurai" audio you have listened to.

The X-axis (vertical) represents increments of decibels (dB of loudness). The higher the waveform reaches on the chart, the louder the sound at that particular point in time. However, in this case, the X-axis does not show what the specific increments of dB are - there is no scale shown; so it's similar to looking at a map without a scale and trying to judge what the distance represented actually means. Each line of increment could be 1 dB, or 5dB, etc. If, for example, each horizontal line represents 5dB, then you would see that the loudness at the moment of peak volume (the highest peak) would be a little over 25dB.

The Y-axis (horizontal) represents elapsed time, usually in seconds; so each vertical line that the wave passes represents 1 second, or 5 seconds, or whatever scale the graph may represent. In this case it appears to be 1-second increments; and if so, then the entire waveform 'clip' we are looking at would only take about 8 seconds to play.

I hope my explanation has not made things worse. But, dang, here's more.

What this waveform does not show (and what is also very useful to look at) is the relative amount of audio energy in the specific frequency ranges: In other words, how much of a specific audio sample (a simple spoken word, for example) is way down in the bass, how much is in the 'mids' (where most of the human speaking voice dwells), and how much is in the 'treble' frequencies (think chirping birdies)?

Squatchy's samuraiing is quite bass-oriented, for the most part. Generally speaking, about 75% of his recorded utterances fall within the bass ranges. Why is this important to know? Because it takes a lot of energy to create heavy bass sound waves - the sound waves of bass are much bigger and harder to generate than the smaller, higher frequencies. The resonator that makes the sound (our bodies) also has to be commensurately larger to make a deep bass sound as well -larger lung capacity, larger chest volume, larger diameter voicebox/larynx dimensions, etc.

Therefore spectrum analysis of a sound sample can show the content of bass and which creatures are both capable and incapable of generating that sound. A tiny bird is physically capable of only tweets, not roars.

That's why audio waveform analysis is so important in determining (for example)which sounds are made by a wolf and which are made by squatchy mimicking a wolf; or which daytime bird songs heard at night are of the bird itself and which are mimicked. The bass content is a dead giveaway in many cases - 'cause a birdie cain't make no bass - and a squatchie can't get the bass of his large body out of his mimickry.

Dudlow

I have heard whistling very close to that at the end of the recording several times. When I heard these, it seemed as if (BF) was moving away from us rapidly.
I have recorded a few other whistles. You can check them out at my website.

Mike (watch1)

Whoa.....Dudlow.....I'm impressed. Thanks for the informative explanation.

So I take it that the graph indicates a whole lotta bass goin' on. More than a human set of lungs could make. If so, it rules us out. But not a zoo gorilla or something else.

See, the thing is, I have heard something similar on a field trip last year. The sound wasn't quite the same...a bit less bass...but it definitely sounded like garbled language that ended in a high pitched short couple of chirps or whistle/clicks. And it was fairly loud, yet not deafening or anything. No one had a tape recorder playing at the time, but we got up fast, grabbed night scopes, and hurried the 20 or 30 feet toward the sound. Unfortunately, we saw nothing and heard nothing more.

I would put this recording in the very possible category, just from my own experience.

I'm whacked in the head! Please excuse my error. Although my explanation is basically correct, I must admit I did not see the spectral Y-axis marked as Hertz (i.e. cycles of vibration per second, or frequency) on the above audio graph.

There are two basic audio graphs; the one I described is loudness vs time; not the one above. The other is what appears above; spectral analysis of the audio signal content, showing the frequency content of the signal. (Just take me out and shoot me.)
Dudlow

Okayyyy Dudlow.....that's just Greek to me. Please explain in layman's terms.

(Now that I have regained consciousness and seen the Hertz scale along the Y-axis :yuck: mea culpa, mea culpa...) the graph carries a lot more impact. Analysis tends to indicate the critical 700-775Hz range containing circa 80% (or more) of the energy in the sample. This is smack dab in the center of the human (typically male) vocal range and corresponds roughly to the F5 and G5 notes on the typical 88-key piano keyboard; specifically the notes between keys 57-59 (counting up from the bass).

If it was a big squatchy, I would have expected to see a heavier ramping up from the low end shown on the graph, and a possibly lower frequency peak as well, whereas it's actually fairly flat down there below 700Hz. Not to say it isn't squatchy, but if it is, it could be a smaller version; or it could tend to indicate how very focused their vocal ability is; and hence their apparently skillful mimickry ability. It would be useful to actually be able to hear the sample as opposed to just seeing it on the graph.

Imagine for a moment a cow trying to lose the heavy body mass behind its 'moo'. We can't really imagine this, but in a sense, that's what squatchy would have to be capable of doing here. This would tend to open the door for the possiblility of articulated language because that's exactly what is required in order to formulate and structure sound for communication, especially in the case of mimicking the high frequencies of bird sound - losing the sound of the large body mass is the problem that must be overcome and controlled through vocal formant articulation - what humans do so very well.

Also, the samurai recordings I've heard (from BFRO) seemed to have an extremely heavy bass content almost all the time, unlike what the small sample on the above graph above tends to show. Just some thoughts. (And by the way, I'm not an expert on this, only a user of some of the technology.)
Dudlow

Does anyone know if this is the kind of analysis that was done previously on these recordings? I this the kind of new modern analysis they have been asking for? Perhaps someone with the know-how here on this board should offer to do a full analysis. Maybe from the SRI to give it credibility?

I would also like to hear thoughts about the credibility of Ron Moorehead. Especially from anyone who has had direct contact with him.

While I'm not in the BFRO any longer, both Ron Morehead and Al Berry are. I know them pretty well; in fact they've both been to my house for dinner!

The recordings were made just above Sonora, in the Emigrant Wilderness. I have no doubt what-so-ever that there is a bigfoot population in that area.

I believe both Ron and Al recorded what they recorded...there is no hoax...not by them or the folks they were with. What it is they recorded is what is up for debate. Only Ron ever saw anything...a very large figure, briefly. Al saw the footprints and other activities, but I don't believe ever saw what was making the sounds.

The area where the recordings were made is extremely remote. It is a two-day horse ride even now. So, that's all I can say. I find the recordings very interesting, and I've interviewed other people who have heard very similar things. I've heard whistling myself that was similar to the recordings. What it is, I don't know, but some direct observations should clear the mystery up!

That's good enough for me, Kathy. And a very professional attitude, which is what I expected from you. Do you know if the brothers who occupied the camp at the time of the recordings still go up there? And if so, have they had further encounters in the many years since? It sounds to me like this private camp is kind of a family thing . . . maybe if the original hunters aren't using it anymore some of their friends or family do.

Would be interested to know.

I've had dealings with Both Ron and Alan back before there was a BFRO, but didn't really know Alan that well as I only spoke to him a half dozen times or so on the phone. I used to talk to Ron quite often. I have heard some of the recordings from the raw tapes Ron had, but have not heard the CD's being discussed. At the time I dealt with both, Alan was no longer in the newspaper business( Geology I think???) and Ron owned a Motel in the Mariposa area but later moved(to Wa state I think???).

IMHO both seemed quite credible and I didn't feel it was very likely at all that either was involved in any kind of hoax here. I never talked to the Johnson's and know only what Ron and Alan told me about them. Around the time, I was following up on virtually every report of BF activity taken by Jim Kerschner(sp??) at the Strawberry store and other incidents I stumbled onto on my own over about an 18 month period as the reports would come in. Most were easily debunked/ dismissed as being fraudulent reports or miss indentifications of known animals after talking to the people involved and/or visiting the sites. There were about a half dozen or so interesting incidents mainly involving locals in the area. I put Ron and Alan in touch with these folks and in many cases they were able to confirm doubts I had and in one case, raised doubts about the testimony of one individual whose story I could find nothing wrong with when some minor aspects of that individuals account "evolved" when talking to Alan and Ron. Niether really seemed to me to be overly romantic types with the inherent need to "believe" in Bigfoot nor did either seem to be willing to accept everything at face value without entertaining the hoax possibility. I'm also convinced that both sincerely believed that their camp was being visited by sasquatches and both honestly felt that what they had recorded were the vocalizations of sasquatches. As others have mentioned, there were also some very weird things supposedly going on here, that don't seem sasquatch related.

The only thing that bothered me about the entire ongoing incidents involved with these recordings were some of the photos of the footprints Ron had. They looked to be of dubious origin to me. I can't remember who, but one of them also conceded to me that he also had doubts about these prints. If there were any aspects of hoaxing going on here, I never felt like either Ron or Alan were the perpetrators.

Thank you!

I believe the Johnson's still use the hunting camp. Last time I talked with Ron, he said they still go up there. I don't believe they have had any activity for many, many years though. I personally have never gotten a bigfoot report from that deep in the wilderness (only on the edges). Not a lot of folks go that far though.

As WillinYC noted, the raw tapes, in my opinion, are better than the CDs. There is one exchange that Ron played at the Northern California expedition in 2004 that blew me away. It was of him making various hoots or calls in different pitches or patterns and "something" mimicking him back. It was very playful and very much like primate behavior I have read about.

I have these CDs as well and met both Ron and Alan at the Bellingham Conference. I don't know them well, but felt they were just as down-to-earth and honest as when I met and talked with Bob Gimlin.

Also, they were VERY open to having others with expertise analyze their recordings with more modern technology than was used in the past. My impression is that they're getting no takers from the "scientific world." You would think those interested in higher primates would be slightly curious...we are talking the potential use of language here!

Personally, I think anyone interested in Sasquatch should support these guys and buy the CDs. But I'm biased as I've got their T-shirt too! As to the veracity of what is on the CDs, I have no reason, or experience to think they are other than what they purport.

One of my skeptical friends, upon hearing the sounds, exclaimed "That sounds so fake!" And I replied, "Fake compared to what, exactly?" Without any kind of experience hearing, analyzing or making similar sounds, he labeled them a fake. Nor could he find or produce any similar sounds. I think it's the same approach people take when proclaiming the Patterson film a fake. Pronounce it as one without any experience in making films using hairy suits.

How many strange sounds can humans make? Monkeys? Wouldn't you think that Sasquatch might have a range similar to man crossed with apes, but deeper? Isn't that what those sounds are like?

Finally, there are many accounts of Sasquatch making strange sounds throughout history. Bobbie Short has posted a Fate article with other language story links at her website regarding just this:
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/fateoct04.htm

tirademan

Doesn't that just kill ya?

I don't have the Sierra Sounds: Bigfoot Recordings CDs (I'll certainly order them, soon), but from the clips I've heard... they sound pretty real to me.

I mean, I don't think any human vocal-cord could produce those type of sounds, especially trying to sound like an angry primate in that sort of way.

What I'm most interested about these recordings is that there hasn't been any other "language recording" (other than the "bftalk" clip) out there, yet I read reports that people have heard them.

All the other recordings of Sasquatch that I've heard are screams, howls, moans, "sirens", whoops, etc. And I've heard the "grunts" and "loots" recordings, but I'm surprised that there hasn't been any other "language" recordings, either from WA, Oregon, Ohio, Texas, and everywhere else Bigfoot has been sighted.

So, the question I'm still asking is...is Sasquatch more "man" than "ape"?

Clearly, the creature has many different types of communications and it really is interesting that it can produce a type of language, as well as having the primate "calling" (howls, screams, etc) and "wood/rock-knocking" (tools) ability.

Have there been any Native-American stories about communicating with Sasquatch through a type of language, or responding back to the creatures siimilar to what Ron and Alan have done?

Also, do the Sierra Sounds CDs have the howls, screams, etc. similar to those that have been recorded in Ohio, WA, Oregon, etc.? I heard the "whoop" clip, but what about the other type BF calls that have been recorderd elsewhere?



Kathy (aka Hairy Man),

In one of your posts I read in another thread, I believe you mentioned that you're creating a website that will have some Sasquatch recordings that have never been heard before. Recordings with the names like, "California Howl," "California Scream," etc....

I was just wondering what the status is on that website and when it might be ready. I'm really interested to listen to any new/ unreleased Sasquatch recording(s). I'm not going to ask about the "Tahoe Scream" recording, as I understand it probably will never be released to the public. I admit that I would love to hear it, but I'm not asking.

Please keep me updated on the website, Kathy. I can't wait to listen to the recordings.

Thank you for taking the time in reading this.

I'm just hoping that I'll someday be able to have my own BF encounter (a sighting, vocalization, wood-knocking, etc).

Here is my ‘take’ on it…….

I have not heard the CD, but have listened to the sound files available on the website. One of the files I listened to is quite clear and noise free. There is little to no distortion, yet well above the ‘noise floor’. It is obvious the recordist is/was well accomplished in the ability to create field audio recording. That in itself is a statement of commitment and professionalism. Portable audio equipment (recorder, mics, amps, etc.) from that time period that records as well as these seem to be recorded, would not be something the ‘average Joe’ would have or could/would afford. Even today, a recording of this quality is not something somebody just picks up a recorder and makes.

I know this is going to sound hokey, but recordings like these takes someone with the time and commitment to field audio recording to make; in other words a ‘sound nerd’.

I have worked in the engineering field for longer than probably some of the members here have been alive, and have worked with numerous engineers and technicians. These guys and gals like to have fun, but when it comes to their integrity in their area of expertise, you can bet your paycheck on them. They take their work very seriously. When it comes to research and data gathering (these sounds are ‘data’, whether or not it seems so), they see the integrity of the data as a reflection of their own. If a research engineer or technician is found to knowingly alter/corrupt data, it severely undermines their future credibility. A research engineer or technician that cannot be trusted/believed inherently loses their ability to do their job. Most research technicians and engineers love their jobs because there is always something new to learn and each assignment holds a new challenge. Losing their credibility is like losing their life.

It has been my experience that people who find a need to deceive others are those that feel they have something to prove, whether that be how much ‘smarter’ they are than everyone else or a need to ‘get even’ for some wrong they feel has been done to them. Rarely do technical professional feel the need to prove themselves because their work does that for them almost on a daily basis.

In this case, I realize there is money to be made from these recordings, but I don’t think anybody is going to be moving into the mansion next door to Snoop-dog from the profits, if you know what I mean.

Like I said, I know it sounds hokey, but when it comes to technical things, you can trust nerds to come through for you.

Sam

One of the tracks on CD2 is about 4 minutes long.

For those that have listened, I'd like to hear your impressions on what you believe could be happening in this interaction.

The thought that comes into my mind is family of bigfoot. We hear at first the wood knocks and then a whooping call. This is proceeded by "garble" by what could be juveniles whom seem to be calling at both men. The men then decide on imitating the calls which naturally provokes a response, and we hear this game go on back and forth. The "juveniles" are excited by this first reaction from the men to their calls, meanwhile "dad" steps in and discourages them from talking to humans (his voice is distinctively deeper).
However, the "juveniles" see no harm and only fun, they call out a second time but after receiving a reaction from the men, "dad" becomes angry, making clear he wants them to stop it. Another bigfoot, maybe mother, or another juvenile is intrigued and calls them out as if to say, "what do you want?" Now, after this, one of the men mentions heard them "cross the creek". Another bigfoot, could be the same one as before makes a clear whooping type call, this is again imitated by one of the men "whoop, imitation, whoop, imitation"... One of the men then mentions he's observing two talking, in my opinion, this could be the "dad" with the "mother" or the "dad" and a "juvenile/s". We hear "dad" call at the men, in a somewhat angry tone(it could also be mere curiosity), he wants to find out exactly what these humans are doing in their home, one of the men gives a "ape-jibberish" response, then imitates the "dad" twice. The "dad" seems fustrated at what these men are doing, he calls out again "are you there?", "what do you want?"

In our bigfoot world, all evidence is 'suspect'. That being said, I own and have listened to the bigfoot sounds dozens of times, usually while heading out to the field. I find the story interesting and believable. Whether these are real sounds or not, I'll never know. My personal experience leads me in a certain direction but my question is this, would people really go this far out of the way to create a hoax that makes them this little money?JMO