Wouldnt it be interesting to play vocalizations to deer or other animals in your area? I know I just read in here about another person playing some vocalizations for some elk and having them run away. I think it would be interesting to test how they would respond, like gazels hearing the growl of a lion in the savanna. Would they respond the same to loud music or wolves howling as they would to bigfoot vocalizations? I feel it would be very interesting. Is there anyone out there with any clear vocalizations to use in the field?

Surprised that no one responded. I think this is a great idea.

yea i know i find it weird too, hmmm even if someone knew someone with cattle along a mountain range with known bigfoot activity, or a buffalo or an elk farm.

Our group has blasted vocalizations at elk before, to gauge their reaction to the sound.

The entire herd ran off, but we can't honestly say it was the vocalization that caused them to do so. It could have been us stopping the vehicle near them, it could have just been the loud unexpected noise, or it could have actually been fear caused by the sound of the vocalization.

Years ago, I blasted vocalizations at some deer. I used a cleaned up version of the Puyallup Scream. The deer were visibly disturbed by the sound, the does and their young headed for cover, while the buck stood watch. But you could also see that the buck wasn't sure what to do. When I blasted the call a second time, the buck bolted.

Once again, I can't say that it was the actual vocalization that scared them, or just the loud noise.

My vote is for loud, unexpected noise.

I think to test this, you would have to have a herd become aclimated to loud noise to the point where you could play the recording and then guage reactions. Maybe a herd closer into a town or city would be better.

yea that's what i thought, also having another noise to play as its termed a "control", just to see if its not just the loud noise. It would also be interesting to test it on some cattle at a farm in known bigfoot territory.

Sometimes, a loud whistle will make a deer stop in its tracks and look in the direction from where the whistle came. I know of some hunters that use this to get a good shot when hunting.

Summer 2004, BigfootDad, Jake & myself were up in Tuolumne Co. at a fairly high elevation in the Western Sierras. There were some range cattle grazing nearby with their young. We stopped and played the Ohio Scream at a very loud volume. Those big ol' cattle high tailed out of the area immediately. What caused their retreat? Loud noise or the nature of the loud noise? They hadn't seemed very bothered by our presence a few minuttes earlier though.

Seems like next time someone is presented with the chance to test this should blast some Metallica or something first just to see if they react. Then try the bigfoot recording. That might be a better test.

I had a lady tell me about her horses had been really upset lately and she said something had been coming around at night and had everything running around like crazy at night. Dogs barking and everything making noise. I told her to try and slip up so the horses could not see her and not know she was there and take a limb and knock three times on a tree as hard as she could and watch what the horses do.
I have not talked to her to find out what happened but will when I see her again.

I have heard the three knocks several times at night and thought it might be the most common so that is why I suggested the three knocks.

Three knocks and a recorded sound played seems to get the most response while we are out listening and recording at night.

Mike (watch1)

Hi, watch1. If it turns out to be sasquatch "disturbing" the horses, yours won't be the first story I've heard of this.

It seems to me with all these people call blasting all over the place, we can rule out half of the class B reports of people hearing strange howls

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I don't think this would be the case. I don't know about every researcher, but we try to stay away from areas that put us close to homes. We don't blast the calls at max volume but try to keep the volume at a level that sounds natural.

Most researchers go into remote areas that are not very populated.
The amount of leaves on the trees, weather at the time, wind, and terrain would all effect the distance the sound will travel.

If a call is heard and you can tell that the next time you hear it..the location has changed as if what was making the call is moving, then most likely the call is not being blasted from some reseacher.

Before I get (call blasted) let me state that this is just my outlook on this and may or may not be the case.

Mike (watch1)

[quote=watch1,Sep 18 2005, 05:51 AM] [QUOTE]

I don't think this would be the case. I don't know about every researcher, but we try to stay away from areas that put us close to homes. We don't blast the calls at max volume but try to keep the volume at a level that sounds natural.

Most researchers go into remote areas that are not very populated.
The amount of leaves on the trees, weather at the time, wind, and terrain would all effect the distance the sound will travel.

If a call is heard and you can tell that the next time you hear it..the location has changed as if what was making the call is moving, then most likely the call is not being blasted from some reseacher.

Before I get (call blasted) let me state that this is just my outlook on this and may or may not be the case.

Mike (watch1) [/quote]
Glad you made that last statement. The BFRO uses several locations and blasts in a coordinated fashion to simulate a BF moving. These can carry for many miles.

[quote=xpert4u,Sep 19 2005, 01:17 AM] [QUOTE=watch1,Sep 18 2005, 05:51 AM] [QUOTE]

I don't think this would be the case. I don't know about every researcher, but we try to stay away from areas that put us close to homes. We don't blast the calls at max volume but try to keep the volume at a level that sounds natural.

Most researchers go into remote areas that are not very populated.
The amount of leaves on the trees, weather at the time, wind, and terrain would all effect the distance the sound will travel.

If a call is heard and you can tell that the next time you hear it..the location has changed as if what was making the call is moving, then most likely the call is not being blasted from some reseacher.

Before I get (call blasted) let me state that this is just my outlook on this and may or may not be the case.

Mike (watch1) [/QUOTE]
Glad you made that last statement. The BFRO uses several locations and blasts in a coordinated fashion to simulate a BF moving. These can carry for many miles. [/quote]
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Glad you told me about this. This gives me something new to try. We have two game call systems in the group and a set of two way radios. Will be interesting to see what the responce will be by playing the same call at two different locations with a time delay between the two. We have talked about splitting up and going to different locations before but chose not to do this. Security in numbers was our first concern, but with the help of the radios we could pull this off.
The flying blood suckers are still bad along with the insect noise. Trying to record at night is still almost impossible because of them. We are waiting for some cool weather to show up and hope it gets here soon.
There is also another hurricane headed for the Gulf. This is not good.

Mike (watch1)

Here's one for those that can come closer to the deer in their area, well atleast close enough for the buck to snort at you. Now if you could approach the deer somewhat and you know the area has a history of bigfoot sightings. I know some deer you can get close to and others no so close to, I'd have to see though even if they would allow a bipedal close since bigfoot may use them as a food source. My intial idea was if you could get close enough, as in walking quietly to a group where you know they may feed or sleep, lol jeez there may be a use for those monkey suits yet, equip yourself with a monkey suit of sorts and approach the deer population to see if they react different than say you in your normal clothes. Ofcourse if one is to do this youd have to make sure no one is in the area and you have other people with you. It would be interesting to guage the reaction, cause i know you can catch deer in routine, not too many times but you can have a few shots at it. I think it would be easier with cattle, since you probably wouldnt have to worry about too many hunters looming around a cattle pasture either. Just an idea and a thought, cause why settle for just playing sounds when you can step it up a notch and replay the events these mammals encounter. It would be interesting though if you could video tape the reaction of mountain cattle. Like whether or not they'd take a defensive posture like their circle of defense with the calves in the middle, or whether they'd just run. Just a thought, i know I'd give it a try if my cattle lived in the mountains in known bigfoot habitation, or well just known habitation. Just an idea for the more adventurous, it would definetly be notable pieces of evidence to add tot he puzzle. If you could show that well on an untampered with herd of cattle(ie you didnt just terrorize them with the suits on yourself) like head into a fresh herd you know that encountered sasquatch and do the wood knocking and the calls and then circle the cattle, the stuff they would encountered if they were being preyed upon. Record it and then i would think it would raise some interest. But you would have to first use the sounds before anything just to save some time and stress of ruling out other factors, somewhat anyway.

cut4sign,, there's not that many people out in the woods at night, believe me on this one!!!!!!!!!! Mostly us crazzzy beaglers and some coon hunters!!!! We've got the woods too ourselves any night of the week....

Crew Chief

I’ve tried knocking close to a group of heifers early one morning, before daylight around 4:30. They went crazy, they all but ran through a page wire fence. Haven’t tried that again.

The suggestion by Gnostosis put on a gorilla suit and approach a group of cattle. LOL. Make sure your insurance policy is paid up and your will is up to-date. The cattle will react to anything they do not understand. I can assure you they will not be friendly at all. If ya see a sigh in on the fence, “Do not cross this field unless you can do it in 9 seconds, the bull can do it in 10�. Don't do it!!!!

Remember the commercial where a guy approaches a group of lions in a lion suit same result!!!!

Well i never said to enter the field and approach them, I was meaning more to let them know your there but keep it mysterious for them like your stalking them. I woldnt worry about cattle especially if they feel your a predator, cows run, flee because running while kicking and mostly running is the best way for them to escape and well get the best of predators9hey'll run till they drop and die basically). They dont stay to fight, that's why when you approach cattle running they will themselves run. Including a mean bull which are few and far between, one that is agressive enough to come after you is one that knows humans well enough to know he may not have to run away. I think you need to spend some more time with cattle, they arent as unpredicatable as you may think, they are some of the most predictable animals there is.

Been around cattle all my life, I give classes to the Georgia Young Farmers groups on rotational grazing of cattle and land management. Presented a class recently on “Howto be a Successful Cow and Cow Sociology".

I’ve seen cattle chase dogs, coyotes, and strangers out of the field many times. We don’t have bear or cougar in our area, so I don’t know how they react to these animals.

The guy who raises bulls in he PBR is only about 20 miles away from me. If ya would like to bring the suit and come on by and you can test your theory.

Funny Ive been around cattle all of my life, beef and dairy, and I pushed the limits in just about everything. That sounds pretty stereotypical something someone from the city would say and think. Anyone in my family wouldnt think any of the "I'm scared to go near them crap". So your saying that your cattle wouldnt run from you? I'm not ruling out meaner cattler or anything. Do you see what I am saying here? I havent seen your herd so I wont bother with this circle jerk, its funny since humans can get cattle in their minds it still keeps them in fear (ie when you give them vaccinations and so on). I'd expect cattle to go after dogs and such, its instinctive. So since i dont know your herd, I dont know what abuses an stresses may or may not have gone on. Frankly i dont really care either, if you cant see my point then well I'll leave out what I'd say next about your intelligence. I dont care what you do or what you think really, this is just getting off topic, so if you'd like to send me anything do it via pm's.

Whoa, what's up with the hostility there hoss?


Differences of opinion and debate are often times good for the soul.

I agree whole heartedly Jaylee. I saw nothing in any of the post before the last that would have warranted that outburst. If truth be know, I know for a fact that the person the post was directed at raises cattle for a living and has been doing it for a long time. I also know him well enough to where I know he was meaning no insult.




Unfortunatly, intelligence walked out the door with that statement.

This form is for Bigfoot and not debates on cattle management, there are plenty of forms for that.

All was said in fun and not meant to get anyone angry. If I insulted you any way you have my deepest apology!!! I was concerned someone who did not know cattle might try something I felt was dangerous.

I wish you the best!

i belive these voalizations are what deer hear before or after wood-knocking. i think wood-knocking is used to herd deer into one general direction, right to a waiting sasquatch!!!! that would be wonderful to see, when i think of seeing sasquatches, i hope this is what i will witness....

Well, unless I'm mistaken...outside of the lead cow, cows that use the cattle allotments on the U.S. Forest Service lands, are sold at the end of the year. Only the lead cow (and her baby that she's raising as a lead cow) would have heard any bigfoot vocalizations before. The new cows wouldn't know what it was and therefore their behavior may/may not be indicative of anything. What I would think would be very interesting is indeed how deer behave...because they live in the forest and should associate any fear/fuzzy feelings with what we think are bigfoot screams.

As an example, I used to live in the mountains above Sonora...the stinkin' Sonora Deer Herd used the front of the property (and all my plants) as their personal playground (I've actually seen two bucks fighting over a female and fawns being born). Please note that I have two very loud kids, 4 TVs, radios, etc.

Once, just to be rotten but under the guise of "testing" my equipment, I played the little demons the Tahoe Scream. They looked up, but kept eating my garlic. Then I played the Ohio Howl...same volume as before...and woooooooo...they ran like it was satan on a motorscooter. I did the same thing about 6 months later, but really testing my equipment this time, and the deer reacted the same as before.

Of course, the Tahoe Scream sounds like a small, high pitched teenager asking for money and the Ohio Howl sounds like a grumpy meat eater. Maybe that makes a difference?

A guy who works for me who I got interested in BF, played some vocalizations on his home computer and his dog wouldn't stop whining and ran downstairs. (no kidding he just told me this story the other day!)

I guess thats related to all the stories there are of Squatches running off with dogs like a Wendy's take out!

In one of my former posts, I mentioned the massive congregations of deer near my sister's house (Utah) in the winter. The deer plunk down along the road (warmth) by the hundreds, and you can go swat em on the head, they wont move for anything, often sitting in the middle of the roadway as well. This would be a great place to try the broadcast theory. (Incidentally, during hunting season, you won't see one deer anywhere, lol.)

Sightings close to my sister's:

60 miles away:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=177

95 miles away:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=3022

100 miles away:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=396

115 miles away:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=11324

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2352

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=10024

Here is a rough map (arrow highlighted) of the exact area where deer can be seen on the roadways in winter:

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deermap9uw.jpg