To all BFF members and visiting guests --- Everyone Please Read:

In the past few months it seems that many members here have been increasingly hostile towards anything NESRA related and anyone who might be involved with us in any way. A perfect example of this is found in this quote from a post by Volsquatch in the “I saw wood knocking thread” that BigFootie posted. The quote states: “Since I am aware that you are aware of the "dynamics between NESRA and DTK and BFF" and "have read all the posts", and then your sighting does end up on the NESRA database in the future by your own submission, then my own faith in the report will definitely drop a few notches. If I find out that you've been a member and associate of NESRA from the get-go, then my faith in your report will plummet, and will probably slip out of the 'credible' file into the 'round' file. Take that for what it's worth.”

So what Volsquatch is saying here is that if BigFootie has been involved with NESRA in any way then some how he now has zero credibility??? Does this make any type of sense at all??? Is NESRA considered so bad that we ruin the reputation of anyone we may come into contact with!?!?!? We are not the 21st century version of Typhoid Mary my friends. BigFootie might someday be the guy that produces the iron clad proof of the existence of a Sasquatch/Bigfoot species to the world but Volsquatch, and probably some others here, will file any information that comes from BigFootie “into the round file”?????

I wonder what Volsquatch and some other members who think like him (you all know who you are) will do if by sheer chance, heaven forbid, NESRA actually finds and presents to the world the undeniable proof of their existence. Would he and the others just bury their heads in the sand like ostriches and refuse to accept the truth simply because they don’t happen to like the source that produced the proof!?!?!? It sounds to me like they would do just that. If you all disliked Sir Isaac Neuton as much as you seem to dislike DTK and NESRA , would you all then bury your heads and refuse to believe in the Laws of Gravity!?!? I hope you can see how incredibly ridiculous that sounds.


The JVD sighting thread titled “Me and my brother saw a Sasquatch” that imploded just the other day is another great example of the current anti-NESRA bias on the BFF. This is one thread that really got to me and finally convinced me to get directly involved in this whole mess, even though I would have preferred not to have to do this. I just can’t stand by any longer and do nothing as all the false accusations and hostility aimed at my group NESRA continues. I have stayed out of the past fights between David Thomas King and the other BFF members here because I viewed them as fights between different BFF members and during those fights I chose not get involved. If two people I know are fighting and it doesn’t directly involve me, I tend to stay out of. That is exactly what they were, fights between BFF members not fights between the entire NESRA association and the entire BFF. Unfortunately, it seems like it’s becoming more of an “us versus them” type of situation and I want to try and correct this.

I feel compelled to respond to the rising hostility against NESRA because the nasty remarks and false accusations show no signs of stopping. These false accusations are wrongly casting great doubt on the reputation and credibility of the NESRA association. Anyone who has a problem with David can take it up directly with him, off board, via PM. Allow me to explain my reasoning for this by using this analogy. Imagine that you joined a local gym and that after going there for a few weeks you had gotten into a fight with another gym member there several times. Now this gym is very nice and has all the latest equipment but you just can’t seem to get along with this other member. Would you run all over town bad mouthing the gym, telling everyone that the gym is terrible, don’t bother joining this gym, it’s a waste of money, etc. Your problem is with the other gym member not the gym itself, that’s my point here. Don’t take it out on the entire NESRA association because you don’t happen to agree with David. I know he sounds evangelical and maybe even “high and mighty” at times but the guy is a minister after all, I guess he just can’t help it sometimes. He is an emotional guy that gets very defensive, very quickly when pushed and says some things he shouldn’t say. Some of the things he has said here were out of line and helped create this problem we are now having on this board, but he had plenty of help. Many others here helped to fan the flames and are also responsible for all the bad blood around here lately. David is a good guy, he’s friendly and easy to get along with, believe it or not. If you met him in person or talked to him by phone I’m sure you would see that for yourselves. He is just a guy who, like the rest of us, is interested in solving this great Sasquatch/Bigfoot mystery and finding out the truth once and for all. Every NESRA member has nothing but the best intentions at heart, I promise you all that. If we find out after the fact that someone who joined NESRA doesn’t meet our high standards for membership then that person will be asked to leave our group. We only want people who are honest, dedicated and trustworthy working with us.

Below are some of the quotes I pulled from the JVD sighting thread that I felt needed to be addressed by a NESRA member besides David, for obvious reasons. These are direct quotes from the members and my replies to the comments (a few were even nice, imagine that!), questions posed or the accusations made against NESRA by that member. The name of the BFF member and the page number where I pulled each quote from the entire JVD sighting thread is listed above each one. Please take the time to read them all as it will explain a lot about NESRA to those of you who don’t really know much about us. I did my best to answer each one as politely as possible even though some of them really got under my skin. It wasn’t easy reading all these false accusations that I know in my heart just aren’t true, but I needed to read them and reply to them regardless to hopefully set the record straight.

On page 8 Blackdog said:

“What adults? The ones that were there? They don't owe us anything, in fact I'll bet they find this amusing. Why would you let loose your kid to the hounds, knowing the reaction that it would get? Something smells and it isn't a saquatch butt.”

Blackdog, no one in NESRA finds this sighting experience amusing or funny in any way. We are all thrilled that young Josh and his brother Tim had an experience that very few others have had. They are extremely lucky and happy boys who just happened to be in the right place at the right time. They join a select few who now know the truth about the Sasquatch/Bigfoot mystery and I’m sure many of us are truly envious of them, I know I am!!!

JVD was extremely excited about his sighting, as most of us would be, and decided to go ahead and post his encounter here against advice to the contrary. He was just so excited about his encounter that he couldn’t wait to share it with his fellow Sasquatch/Bigfoot enthusiasts. Unfortunately he received the same reaction that many posters that share their experiences here are subjected to. Asking questions is perfectly fine, it’s expected, but it’s the tone and language that members here use that upsets so many people making these reports. You all expect immediate confirmation of the sighting and want to view all the evidence or else you cry hoax. That is exactly why JVD shouldn’t have posted his sighting here, especially now, while we are still in the process of collecting evidence of the encounter. No one can possibly make an informed decision, one way or the other, about any encounter until all of the facts and collected evidence has been presented. This is exactly why NESRA didn’t want the sighting report posted just yet, you all saw what happened.


On page 11 nightwing said:

“These guys are anything but sceptical.
They created a sasquatch out of some odd thumps, a few months ago.”

Nightwing, no one “created a Sasquatch” out of anything, at any time. The “thumping” that night is still at this point unexplained. No NESRA members have ever said that the mysterious “thumps” and vibrations experienced that night were made by a Sasquatch/Bigfoot. It was stated by David that in his opinion it was a possibility, even a good possibility, that it might have been a Sasquatch/Bigfoot because of the area and conditions the night the incident took place. This is his opinion, it was never stated as a fact. The facts of the incident are as follows:
Fact: The general area has a history of many past encounters.
Fact: The campsite where the incident took place showed no signs of being used at all so far this season.
Fact: Pork chops were being cooked at the time of the incident and the smoke from the fire was blowing directly over the small knoll where the “thumps” came from.
Fact: The strange “thumping” noises and vibrations that were heard and felt by two NESRA members that night still haven’t been properly explained.
It has been suggested that infrasound waves can cause vibrations so this maybe one possibility for the vibrations felt that night.

On page 11 GrandCherokee said:

“If I were with a crew who had just had a run-in with a Squatch, I do not think I would be giving permission for my little guy to present the encounter on a forum...which is notorious for giving people a hard time when they make claims of this kind! Not one adult on this little trip is to be heard from.!!!”

GrandCherokee, I wouldn’t have either. Josh was advised against posting here but he did anyway, kids sometimes do the opposite of what you tell them.

On page 14 Missing Link said:

“I also believe that the frenzy some of you whip yourselves and others into is counter-productive. They answered your overwhelming volley of questions in what appears to be a straight forward manner, so believe them or not as is your choice, but why not back off with the accusations and the perfect 20-20 hindsight of what you may have done differently? The way some of you react and accuse/dissent would make most anyone reluctant to continue providing information, and might just get some of you punched in the nose by dear old dad were you to be so bold toward his kids, or in accusing him, in his presence. Keep in mind that they owe us nothing & deserve not to be interrogated like criminals, and be glad they're willing to share their experiences.”

Missing Link, thank you and may I say well said!!!

On page 15 cut4sign said:

“A kid with over 1,200 post since he joined in Febuary, had a sighting of a lifetime and still has time to post in the member's Lounge section. I smell something and it isn't Bigfoot.”

cut4sign, how do you think JVD got his post count so high, he finds the time to post often. Kids tend to have a lot more free time than we do as adults. I hope you’re not suggesting that this sighting is a hoax attempt just because this young man can find the time to post over 1,200 times on this board. What kind of reasoning is that??? If that is what you are saying here then I’m very confused and I don’t even know how to respond to that!?!?!?

On page 23 socaldave said:

“Hats off to JVD and his pop for sharing their experience. Can they make all of us believe it was real? Of course not. We either take JVD and his dad at their word or we don't. Freedom of choice. But when honest people share an extraordinary experience with me via internet or in person I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. If they answer questions honestly there is no reason to cast aspersions. JMHO.”

socaldave, thanks for giving them the benefit of the doubt when many others here wouldn’t. The truth usually comes out in the end and even if this was some type of hoax attempt, which I very highly doubt, it will eventually be discovered as such given enough time. If it was a hoax there will be plenty of time to tar and feather the guilty party when the hoax is discovered. There is no reason to immediately cry hoax and attempt to drag someone through the mud just because the sighting can’t be proven to the satisfaction of all parties concerned right then and there. This type of knee jerk reaction happens here much too often.


On page 24 RayG said:

“No one has implied JVD was hoaxing anything.”

RayG, true, but a few here have implied that his Dad may have hoaxed his own sons. While I admit it’s at least an extremely remote possibility, I’m 99.9% sure that this would never happen, ever. His Dad is an active NESRA member and as such is dedicated to trying to solve the Sasquatch/Bigfoot mystery like most of you here. As far as I know, he is not the type of person who would waste his time creating a hoax. How many serious researchers would even think of doing something like that?


On page 26 DarkRabbit said:

“I am willing to side with JVD and BWilliard even if no such evidence is forthcoming from them simply because too many others with valid experiences of all sorts of weird happenings are just as able to say to hell with the rest of us at a whim. What should they care? They owe our curiosity nothing unless the forum has the power to subpoena.”

DarkRabbit, thank you for giving them the benefit of the doubt and thanks for your comments.


On page 27 Volsquatch said:

“The connection to 'NESRA' bothers me more than anything. There's been too much ego, arrogance, and suspicious bumps and romantic thumps where they're concerned. I think this thread may be serving no other purpose than to allow a 'bump in the night' situation to be elevated to something it is likely not, possibly laying a flimsy foundation for flawed results to come out of the area in the future. This could also be allowing an easy opportunity for self-aggrandizement by some, and by some others who might be planning to take advantage of the situation in the future. And that's JMHO.”

Volsquatch, if this is how you truly feel then so be it. I’m sure nothing I could say would change your mind anyway and I’d just be wasting my time. But just for the record, you and the others that agree with you are completely wrong about NESRA. We started this group with the best of intentions as a way for independent researchers in the Northeast to pool our resources and join together to either prove or disprove the existence of Sasquatch/Bigfoot, period. I just can’t imagine how you or anyone else could possibly have a clue as to what we are all about unless you are a NESRA member yourself or know someone who is. But like every BFF member here I respect your right to voice your opinion, as long as the conversations remain civil and don’t turn into personal attacks on individual posters or groups like NESRA as a whole. We are not the bad guys that you and others make us out to be. If you met us in person you might even like us. We are just a group of BFF posters who decided to work together and call ourselves NESRA. Believe it or not, we are searching for the same answers to this great mystery that you are. We just want to know if these creatures truly exist or not and exactly what they are if they do in fact exist. Based on all the evidence I’ve seen over the years I’m 99% sure they do exist, I’m just looking for that last 1%.


On page 27 ilex said:

“BTW,

i am glad to see NESA working hard to organize BF enthusiasts in my neck of the woods. Maybe a little more support and nurture from the older orgs will help us easterners out rather than alot of petty banter and fault-finding.”

Ilex, thanks for the kind words, they are hard to come by these days. We’re dedicated researchers doing our best to try and solve this great mystery, despite what some people here think.


On page 27 xjay said:

“I would just like to say that I give everyone I meet the benefit of the doubt when it comes to telling the truth. That includes everyone on this board. If someone lies to me, that does not make ME gullible, it makes that person a liar. I don't need someone whispering in my ear whom to believe and whom not to either.”

xjay, that’s a great attitude to have in life, you are a better person for it. Thanks for your comments.


On page 27 Qsecofr said:

“This web site is a tough one. I do feel for JVD, he put his story out here and it was picked completely apart. I am afraid that if I do ever have a BF encounter I may actually never post it because what would that prove?”

Qsecofr, I feel bad for him too but it’s too late now, he can’t take it back. I’m sure many people who read this board probably are thinking the same thing you are about not wanting to share their experiences here for fear of being ridiculed. It’s really a shame but I can certainly understand why they wouldn’t want to.

On page 28 JayleeD said:

“You people knew exactly what would happen here when you brought this crap here. NESRA can take it and shove it...”

JayleeD, no one from NESRA “brought this crap here”. A very excited boy, who happens to be the son of a NESRA member, wanted to share his experience with his fellow Sasquatch/Bigfoot enthusiasts here on the BFF and posted this on his own. In his enthusiasm, young Josh “jumped the gun” and posted his experience before we could gather the evidence we need to complete our investigation and write a proper sighting report. NESRA wasn’t planning to share this on the BFF at least until after we had completed our investigation of the area. This is explained by David on page 28 nine posts above your post on page 28 where I took this quote from and it was also explained by David earlier on page 27. I’m sure you read both of his replies already so I don’t know why you say “you people”, as in NESRA, “brought this crap here”? This was already explained twice in the same thread that NESRA didn’t plan to post this information here, at least not yet anyway, why is this so hard to understand. You are entitled to express the last part of your quote but I’m curious what you are basing your opinion on? Could it be that you dislike DTK and are transferring your anger on to NESRA? NESRA doesn’t start and end with DTK, in case you didn’t know, five of us over see things here. David just happens to be the most vocal member of NESRA, every group has someone like that, but he is not our leader. Any problems you or anyone else has with David are between you/them and him, not NESRA as a whole. There are many of us working behind the scenes that have never disrespected you or anyone else on this board and we don’t deserve to be spoken to like that. We deserve to be shown the same respect that all the other BFF members enjoy, IMHO.


On page 28 utahdude said:

“When this thread started, I didn't realize that is was a NESRA field investigation. If so, I wouldn't have followed a thread that is apparently going nowhere...”

utahdude, I’m sorry that you feel that way but if it’s not too much trouble could you explain what makes you say something like that? Has anyone in NESRA, besides possibly DTK, ever said anything to upset you? Have you spoken to me or any of the other NESRA members before? Have any NESRA members ever disrespected you in any way? As I said above in my response to JayleeD, NESRA doesn’t just mean DTK, there are many good people working hard try to establish a top notch association here in the Northeast. If you give us some time you might eventually come to realize that fact once we start coming up with some good evidence from our field investigations.


On page 29 KidWolf said:

“So what you mean to say is just like the other so called research groups, rather than share information and possibly maybe get down to the bottom of things, and letting those of us with interest in the subject actually know what's going on, you'd rather bottle it up rather than have truth be told. True researchers find and dispense information for the good of all, including the subject. The rest are just out there for a desperate cry for attention or a quick buck.”

KidWolf, you’ve got it all wrong. We will share information about our investigations when we feel ready to do so and when we do there is a good chance we won’t be posting any results here on the BFF anyway. You can’t really blame us with all the hostility and NESRA bashing that has been going on here over the last few months. One place you will be able to read about our investigations results for sure is on our website. Posting information on other websites is a possibility and will be considered on a case by case basis. Also just because another groups’ website doesn’t post information that we provided them doesn’t necessarily mean that it wasn’t provided in the first place. We might supply information to a group that later decides for reasons of their own not to post this information on their own website. As far as your last comments about wanting attention or a quick buck, well believe what you want but it’s simply not true.


On page 29 zappy27 said:

“But to me, BD simply said it's a hoax and if Josh and co. are connected to this NESRA group there seems like hostility began to rear it's head.”

Zappy27, yes unfortunately it seems that the very mention of the word NESRA on this board causes an immediate hostile reaction in some people here. DTK has gotten into words with some of the long time members a few times and ever since then it’s been open season on NESRA I’m afraid. That is exactly why I felt the need to make this post. Because we are no different than most of the other members here but we are now treated differently. We just wanted to create a group in the Northeast because there simply aren’t enough Sasquatch/Bigfoot researchers in this part of the country. That’s it, no hidden agenda here despite what some people think.


On page 29 AZNATIVE said:

“So, you don't want this investigation in the public view why? You don't want to $hare the glory with anyone else? Or i$ it all profit driven?”

AZNATIVE, let me answer this for you, no, no, and no. You are wrong on all three counts. This investigation is just beginning and we won’t be releasing any information or results from our investigation until after we have finished our work in the area. As for your other accusations, please read my response above to KidWolf, if you haven’t already, it should explain things for you.


On page 29 JayleeD said:

“I believe with everything I am that this was intentionally done to cause a split in this board and to make long standing members fight with each other. They got what they were after.”

JayleeD, what can I say to this? The only thing I can say in response to this accusation is that if it was intentionally done, (which I really, really, really, really highly doubt), then DTK acted alone because no one else in the NESRA association has any knowledge of it. I’m one of the charter members of NESRA who along with DTK, BigDaddy, and three other BFF members founded this group. If something like this was intentionally done I’m sure I would know about it. I swear to you and everyone else here on my life and the life of my wife (I hope that’s good enough for you because I don’t have any kids to swear on) that none of these accusations about our group are true. If you want to hire a lie detector specialist and pay for his/her services and send them here to NY to ask me any questions you want answered about NESRA that would be fine with me. I would be more than happy to take and pass the lie detector test to satisfy you or anyone else who has any doubts about the good intentions of our group. If not, then I guess you will all just have to believe what you think is the truth, rather than what the truth really is.


On page 29 AZNATIVE said:

“I think you're right Jaylee. Everyone seems to be creating their own little boards, and this may have been a catalyst to create a balkanization so as to get everyone to post on their own regional boards, and/or to get the merchandi$e flowing in.”

AZNATIVE, please read all of my above reply to JayleeD. I have no idea what you are talking about, “merchandise”??? Please explain this to me. Has anyone from NESRA ever uttered a word about “merchandise” or anything else that could be sold for a profit??? We are not in this for the money.



On page 30 KidWolf said:

“Why would anyone want to become an "active" member of the "BF community" when it's clear that it's nothing but a collection of childish so called "researchers" who are out to make a quick buck, rather than attempt to make a serious discovery?”

KidWolf, what is it with you and “make a quick buck”? I really don’t understand where you got this from and why it’s stuck in your head!?!?!? I know for a fact that you didn’t get this idea in your head from talking with a NESRA member. We are not in this to make money, we are searching for answers not “golden parachutes”.


On page 31 KidWolf said:

“Very good point. Josh handled himself admirably, and was very forthcoming with information. It's a shame a bunch of greed induced adults had to go and spoil it.”

KidWolf, I see a trend here, “greed induced adults”, I see. Do the words “one track mind” mean anything to you??? No one from NESRA has ever mentioned anything about money, got it now!


On page 31 shaman said:

“i believe jvd is either hoaxing everyone, his family is hoaxing everyone, that the entire thing is a nesra setup to cause discontent on this board, or that its a nesra set up attempting to attract money.”

Shaman, if you’ve been reading this entire post then I don’t even have to go into the questions about the “hoaxing” or the “cause discontent on the board”, they have been addressed more than once already. As for the “attempting to attract money” thing, tell me do you hang out with KidWolf or something!?!?!? Everything is not always about money, sometimes it is, but not all the time.


That’s finally the end of this huge post. If you made it all the way through I sincerely thank you for taking the time to read this entire post. I know that some of you have probably already made up your minds about us and nothing will change your opinion of NESRA. For this group of members there is nothing more I can do or say, I’ll leave it at that. For some of the newer members here who might not know anything about NESRA or at least haven’t already made up their minds about us yet, I hope I was able to remove some of your doubts and clear up some of the false accusations about NESRA that you have been reading here. This was an absolutely 100% sincere and honest post on my part, no hidden agenda or tricks here, I promise you. I just want to end this unproductive and distracting NESRA bashing and fighting between BFF members so we can all concentrate on more important matters.

I never get quoted.

Does that initial post break any kind of word count record?

As much as anyone tries to deny it , you've made some excellent points!

...

Shouldn't this be in members lounge?


SSDD

Do not make the mistake of speaking for me. I put forth my opinion, and I stand by it. Anyone who reads my opinion can take from it what they will. I have no need to explain myself. This is but another example of NESRA's habit of acting 'holier than thou', and above reproach. I said a long time ago that you are judged by your leadership. I still stand by that opinion. If you want to improve your image and social standing within the bigfoot community, look within your own group and make the neccessary changes. Do not project your own faults upon those who are on the outside looking in.



Do not assume that others 'think like me'. Like I said, my opinions are my own, and I stand by them fully. As far as NESRA finding the undeniable proof, well that's not going to happen by romanticizing about thumps in the night, so I'm not too excited about that happening in the near future.

I chose not to respond to the remainder of your post, as you have blatantly went against the moderators wishes by opening up a locked thread with another similar one, just so you could get your two-cents in. Others can't respond to the locked thread, just as you shouldn't be able to.

Thats why I memtioned Members Lounge..... Too late....
I thought it was over with and we all moved on.



Vol!





Belle

Of course. The contradictions, changes in story, blatant romantacising, refusals of evidence review, and the like obviously have nothing to do with any of it.

If you're looking for the one/ones responsible for damaging nesra you need to be turning the focus from the outside in.

here is my opinion- i think nesra is probley researching and investigating this new va sasquatch sighting slow and proper so this way they dont make mistakes and miss some inportant evidence at the sighting location. im sure other organizations are helping with investigation but its going to be a slow process and im sure nesra or david thomas king , jvd or bwillard will keep us updated. thanks bill

Thanks for trying to explain NYB. I hope things straighten out for your group. Being in an organization myself that has been through the wringer on several occasions and most certainly will be again, I can empathize. All it takes is one member talking out of turn or an event released with nothing to back it up and you're against the wall, and rightly so. I believe Josh and Tim saw something. I don't know what that something was. I think it would be a cruel joke if a NESRA member hoaxed them and would be quite certain death of NESRA's credibility if that hoax ever got to the public. I think you've explained to the best of your abilities but it's going to take some hard work for NESRA to move back into the credibility column with quite a few members of this board. I hope you are serious about the research and serious about your goals. The animal isn't going to walk into the nearest research lab and lie down on the table so the more people out researching and beating the bushes the better chance the animal has of being discovered.

It's very difficult to get credibility back and with some organizations (I don't mean yours) it doesn't matter what the BFF thinks. I think it does matter, because the BFF is made up of the same skeptical people that comprises John Q. Public and they matter if you want to convince them, but that is just me.

From one organization to another, Good Luck. I don't care what organization brings in the proof as long as it's brought in and used in the best way possible to benefit the animal.

That's my two pennies.

i am glad you feel it necessary to tell a bunch of us how to think.
last i checked you are not a admin/mod here. when you are, then you can control what we say.

i stated in my one post in that thread my opinions. i stated i personally dont believe it. i didnt then, i dont now.

you know nothing of me.

integrity, you have it once, one time.
when its lost its gone forever.

pasted my post from that thread:



those were my opinions then, they are my opinions now.

Without getting into any of the politics of this BFF/NESRA feud, I will simply say that you made a very intelligent post, New York Believer, and it was very refreshing to read.

Well said.

"""""or that its a nesra set up attempting to attract money."""""

I've heard that a few times. Really, is anyone making money with their organization, websites, forums. Or attracting funding.

I think we can all agree that MM from BFRO has build an Organization that allows him to make some $$$ (via. deception) and of course the freaky aberration of the Manitoba video (via. deception). But other than that I think the "Bigfoot finicial revenue model" is dependant on a body or some serious footage. Writing a book even a good book is a labor of love and not $$$.

Is anyone actually making money via. Bigfoot ???

Bigfootie

One of the other mods may close this thread, but I'm leaving it open so people can respond to the things that were said directly to them by NYB.



Maybe I do dislike DTK. He and I didn't get off to a great start when he first started talking about forming a NE group. I suggest to him that he ask Brian to set up a private room where those interested could discuss plans. He informed me that my idea was unnessary and when and if the time came HE would let the admin know he was ready for a private room. I was honestly trying to be helpful to a new member of this board. Call it petty, I don't care, but I don't like being talked down to...I don't care who is doing the talking.

Now, you say that "NESRA doesn't start and end with DTK" that he's not your "leader". Then why in the name of everything bigfoot would he make this post in Josh's sighting thread?



That sounds like the post of the leader, or someone who thinks he's the leader, of the group. He instructed JVD and Billy to conclude this matter? I really don't care if he is the leader, but don't feed us a line that he's not, even if it's only in his own mind.

I do wish you guys luck with what you're doing. If for nothing else, because of the young people you have as a part of your group. Umm, BTW, are they included in the number of members you say make up NESRA? If not, they darn well should be.

NERSA is not the first group, nor will it be the last, that has come on the scene from nowhere making claims.


The claims that I'm talking about don't have much to do with evidence, of which I'm nearly certain that NERSA doesn't have much of.... and that alone is ok because neither does anyone else.


I'm talking about the claims of years of experience, skepticism, investigation skills etc etc .. that have been stated repeatedly on this forum. I for one have no reason to believe that NERSA or any of its members are qualified in the least. Combine that with a healthy dose of NERSA arrogance stir in some highly questionable claims, heat over a tel-evangelist and you have a recipe for bigfoot disaster. The bigfoot community has been infested with this group or that group for years, most of them are now gone and most of them behaved just like NERSA.

The standard for acceptance hasn't changed ....... neither has the M.O. for making claims.

Historically, the answer has been no.......... but that may depend on what you call money.

Maybe Moneymaker .......... others here would have a good idea.

I really wish this was about Sightings and Encounters of Bigfoot..that's the name of this forum after all isn't it? I see accusations and "he said/she said/they said" here all the time...this wasn't why I joined this forum at all. I am seeing a seroiusly bad trend of "our group is better than yours", or "your group is bad because...". SIGHTINGS AND ENCOUNSTERS....that is why I am here reading this and maybe most others. I like to read and consider the experiences as presented. Assumptions based upon any affiliation I tend to find suspect, not the the experience itself.

Word!

Too funny

Since everyone seems to be taking sides... I agree with NY Believer that alot of anger has been directed at NESRA as a group when people have been upset with DTK. When NESRA was being created, I jumped on-board. It made sense to me to be able to share ideas, research, etc. with others in my area. While reading the "Thumping" thread and JVD's sighting thread, there were a few posts by DTK that immediately angered, or at least upset me. DTK was very defensive in the "Thumping" thread, and he did "instruct" the others to act or not act in JVD's report. I haven't been able to do much with NESRA due to a lack of time on my part, but I am a member and I see that we are trying to get established and do things the right way. (I am overloaded with emails, etc. from them). Could it have been perceived that NESRA members were overzealous and touchy regarding the "Thumping" thread? No doubt about it. Does DTK sometimes appear arrogant and holier than thou? Yes - but is he the only one on this forum like that? I got a PM from DTK asking my opinion on how he handled the criticism he received about Thumping in Whitehall. He listens to the input of others - I think he just really wants to try to help establish proof that BF exists. I would also definitely consider him to be the main spokesperson for NESRA. I will not speak for the group because I haven't contributed enough, but I will speak as a member - I do not agree with everything that NESRA has done or its members have posted, but I agree with what the group is trying to accomplish and I look forward to searching for BF with my fellow members.

The BFF is for bigfoot discussion. I thought the JVD thread was one of the best in a while, and yet, a few well respected members got very upset and left. JVD and his brother believe that they had an encounter with a bigfoot. Did anyone say that this was an attempt to prove BF existed? Did JVD or anyone post another blobsquatch? I don't care if cell phone calls were made or if it was a guy in a ghillie suit or even if people think JVD was raked over the coals. He posted his sighting, was questioned, and the sh-- hit the fan. All that should have happened, again in my opinion only, is that some people may have a solid lead on an area to do further research with appropriate equipment. Maybe some of us could ask "do you need any help and if so, what do you need to assist your investigation" instead of trying to catch differences in answers to similar questions (lies, hoax) or offering help that we think they need or should use.

Even if a live BF is captured or a body is discovered...credibility will always be a question and there will be people who don't believe. I have never seen a BF, except for Nightwing's outstanding depictions, but I know they exist. I need no proof. I would just love to see one - so I will be one of the first to post that if any of you needs help doing research, and know of areas with possible encounters, feel free to PM me. I am certainly no expert, but I will try to offer any assistance that I can to your research (except for dressing in costume as bait, that is Wildman's job).

Everyone has different opinions, these are just some of mine.
Thanks for reading.

Will
Pinelands Researcher
BFF Member
NESRA Member

Maybe because unlike some of the others, in reading some of the other threads you seem to try to diplomatic more often than not. Volsquatch's remarks in the most recent thread might even be taken as slander by some, at least in my opinion, but then I wasn't his target.

BD is another blatant offender, but if he told the truth about leaving then thats a moot point.

I just find it sad that this much ruckus get skicked up every time. Do you guys have another shadow association that desont like competition or something?

You could address the points made such as your commentary on bwillard's parenting skills

OR perhaps more accurately, YOU judge others by their so called leadership, you in saying presume to be speaking for the board.

As a newcomer and to myself anyway, trying to be nuetral party, points have been made regarding your needless hostility and if Nesra has any blame in this crapfest, so does your side, plenty in fact.

You know what? You don't deserve my answer.... I have already explained myself. If you don't like it, tough! Besides, we're supposed to ignor trolls.. And from this
post on, I will ignor you...


Belle

I'm getting to the point where I don't give an amoeba's fart about NESRA. Why don't they try putting together a more professional website and get a bit more serious about containing their investigations?!

Fooey!

Thats a subjective viewpoint. I reread the thumper thread again and the hostility in that thread is growingly obvious as the thread progresses, there must to be to this that predates that thread.

I forget who made that accusation bigfootie, but if it was the same person who accused Nesra of beinga cult "the church of Nesra" I believe was the wording, those are downright childish..

as far as the money raising accusation, where's any proof of that, I came across no such references in reading older threads.

IMHO that should be the starting point.

Over time their behavior can be noted and their status elevated as earned.

Huh? Umm, you do have some time to edit those words of wisdom if you'd like.

As a newbie, that was an arrogant slap of someone's honest opinion. Low blow, dude.

Vol, you don't know me at all. We've never met and you call me a Newbie....I stand by my earlier post as 'Nuff Said. This forum must now belong to the Democrats and Republicans ....oh, and Independents (Newbies).

I wasn't trolling then or now, I was offended by what you said. As you said then, thats my opinion. If you have the thick skin that you wish others had, I'm sure we'll both get over it.

my typo, my bad. My point is, are you guys REALLY REALLY sure there wasn't some animosity between you and DTK prior to the thumping thread?

Wisdom at it's best....

How are you related to the parties involved?

If you'll go back to page one and read my post, you'll find that yeah, there were some hard feelings on my part before the thumping thread. Hey, at least I'm being honest about it.

My 'remarks' were my opinion. This is a discussion forum, a place where members can voice their opinion. No one has been my "target". Do NOT misrepresent me OR my words. Whomever considered my words 'slander' needs to address me directly, NOT send their associates to make insinuations.

I voiced my opinion, and that opinion must have hit home, because I'm seeing my user name mentioned a lot here lately.

read: Offended in principal as Belle seems to know neither JVD or his dad...

you've never made a typo, madame?

Ok, get it back on the subject, stop with the insults or I will close this thread. I really don't want to do that until everyone who NYB addressed in his post has a chance to reply.

D idn't we already go through this with you in another thread????

Whatever.......

accusations swere made of them (nesra) being a cult, among other colorful things. Like I said, my thoughts on your opinio are my opinion, and I didn't misrepresent anything.

Maybe it is just an opinion on your part, but I fail to see any in indication that they are a cult of any kind. Whether DTK is their leader or overzealous I have no idea. I'll wait for clarification.

Point taken Jay, moving on....

I was quoting you, jaylee....

[edit] never mind, replied before seeing Jay's request.

But, I wasn't talking about you Belle.

Yes we did.... But it wasn't good enough GC!