Makes no sense why you use such cruelty towards an important fledgling group.

As a newbie, i was impressed by the way they handled being blasted with both guns!!!!

Cell phone records demanded by moderators!!!!!

Their director said the release was premature--- AN ACCIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Couldn't you let them work thru JVD's sighting and decide if it was a Sas or something else that he saw and make a decision to go public with it as Nesra's dirctor requested???

I think a public apology to NESRA is in order.

There's mud on your faces guys...

Wayne Hollyoak

What planet are you coming from? A request to help is totally different from a demand. This is just another attempt to yank some chains.







As far as the rest of your post goes. Read the above.

BluffCreek35

Um...cruelty? Asking questions is cruel? Huh.



I don't recall joining the church of NESRA...so his edicts don't apply to me(or anyone else, for that matter)

someone needs to get some remedial study in grammer comprehension and use of context clues. once this is done i dont think you will have the same opinion/conclusion. nesera's control of the like that was exercised here is shamefull.


you wont be swayed but the offer to verify the cell tower location was an offer extended to help verify parts of the story. nothing was demanded and contrary to some paranoid musings no one in his or her proper mind would believe paul would release any locations. all he would say was the location given to him was confirmed by an echo of a cell tower or two. please read carefully. toe jam doesnt tast good does it??


edit so say never mind the edit. the thought of the direction this org is going makes me sad. :yuck: i think some good people are going to end up with soiled reputations.


i want to add i in no way include josh and his brother in this. in my opinion they are unfortunate by stander in nesera. but they are included in those who could get their reputations soiled if this org continues like its principals have.
if your confused do some research into the members of this group and their postings, it is there for the world to see. you can lead a horse to water?

Well we certainly don't want those pesky facts getting in the way of someone's feelings.



I give a big to JVD for sure. I don't see anything 'impressive' about the rest of it.



I don't recall anyone demanding anything.



Well you know how young boys can be premature.



Are you their PR man? That's between JVD and NESRA. If an encounter is posted to the public area of this board all bets are off.



For what? How did anyone besmirch NESRA?



Obviously you ain't taken a close look at my avatar.

RayG

The reason why it doesn't make any sense to you is, that you haven't
been here long enought to know what the hell you're talking about.



Impressed were ya? You would be! :rolleyes:


And where was this at...? I saw that Paul had asked about it.... I don't see where he ever demanded the cell phone records.


I doubt that seriously. He should have backed JVD no matter what. He's just as important as the rest. Maybe more so, being a Kid who hasn't a motive....!


Well who said it, the sighting belonged to NESRA? No one knew untill our friend Kerry mentioned it.... Could it just be JVD's sighting? Why should it belong to NESRA. Because he belong to that group...? It's his sighting.... He can do what ever he chooses to!

I still give a up to JVD!


I think NESRA owes JVD and his father an public apology!!!!!

The importance of this "fledgling" group remains to be seen.



Handled it pretty much the same as the "Thumping in Whitehall" thread. Didn't you notice?



See above posts.



Again? Please review "Thumping in Whitehall" . Notice anything.



Gotta agree with Belle. Did the director of Nesra really think JVD could keep it under his hat? Get real.



Belle covered this.............

As for the mud on their faces comment, well it breaks up the outline of the face and makes sneaking up on the truth so much easier.................Damn I guess my true colors are starting to show.

nesera owns nothing but maybe their name. even that could be litigated by a good lawyer.they certonly do not have any ownership or control of any research evidence reports or ther related materials collected by or investigated by their members as stated by the founder below,he wanted a loose open org sharing freely the info collected.

DTK said in his pitching his new org to the members here the following

" we can loosely connect the many independent researchers in the
northeast by building strong relationships with each other and by freely
sharing our strengths and knowledge for the purpose of seeing successful
investigations that yield viable evidence of the residential existence of
the northeastern Sasquatch..

We don’t need another BF organization that is smothered by a bunch of
constricting rules and regulations or one that becomes a kind of
exclusive, elitist social club. Relationship, loyalty to each other,
dedication to the cause with no hidden agendas and hard work are the
ingredients for success in this endeavor."


josh me you anyone owns anything they get thru their work.no one can control them . as you see by the founders own words he suposidly ment this to be an open free flow of info between these loosely connected group of investigators.the members agreed to share info not have every peice of their stuff controled by dtk and his group.once"they" decided what he saw without being there "they" would still have been subjected to the same good hard digesting of the report. nothing would be different. josh is an example of reporting and being interviewed. his research will continue and no secrets were divuldged. the research area is safe and will continue. i do have questions about the possibilities of success give the circumstances josh has to deal with.i hope the weekends trip yealds more good info but being saddled with a gag order will probably not allow us to hear any of it.

the only brown substance i see on anyones faces isnt mud and it is only on certon peoples noses.

:rolleyes: Good lord. Here we go again.

There sure isn't to much "Bigfoot discussion" going on these days is there??


Nothing against you ilex but.......... all these threads are starting to look alike latley.

Sorry..........

"I'm...Shot ...."
>"Where are you hit ? How bad is it ?"
.....
"It's my foot !"
>"WHAT !!!
>AGAIN ?"
"It's nothin'...I'll be fine..."
:doh:

Now thats better!!

Get your facts straight - I didn't demand anything from NESRA - I offerred my company's professional services for free as a way to support their story.

NESRA, for whatever reason - declined that offer.

As far as I am aware, they will not allow *anyone* to verifiy the calls or location of the cell phones.

Perhaps you should ask NESRA why that is?

Actually in reading some past threads, It has been claimed that that individual is no more a director than anyone else, but you have a point otherwise.

Like I said, as suggested by some others here I read the other posts, and there's blame on both sides in my opinion.

It sounds to me like NESRA need an 'Information Officer'

In paul's defense, it's true. He offered, there was no demand made.

"besmirch" ??? Now that is a cool word that I must add to my vocabulary.

I can see Arnold now "I'll be back ... and I shall besmirch your reputation" simply terrifying

Bigfootie

Whats going on here !!!!!!!!!!!!

Every thread I look at this morning … there is "Mamawitch" at the bottom right next to me, lurking. I have never noticed mamawitch before so I looked her profile up and she joined 2 years ago TODAY. And has NEVER posted ANYTHING. My god woman say something you are scaring the daylights out of me. :help:

Bigfootie

Thanks Ray...I'm cleaning coffee off my monitor now!




They didn't handle squat, Josh did, and he did a fine job of it too. They should have told him upfront not to post his encounter if they wanted it to be a "goody" that only the members of their group were privy to. Funny you know, I remember quite a few of them, including the one that apparently is their director, bitching and complaining when the BFRO did the very same thing. They didn't like it then. Pot meet kettle....

"Minister of Propaganda"

You've got to be kidding... Right??

Holy smokes..... sheesh...


Okay... bring on the next important fledgling group...

Well heck, since BigFootie just called me out, I figured I better reply. Didn't mean to scare the daylights out of ya. I come in peace! The reason I haven't posted before is because I haven't really had anything notable to add to the conversations. Now that I've been outed, though, I guess I need to skip on over to the new members thread and introduce myself.

Diane

Before I get slapped too badly for this; it is my stated intention to be as objective on this issue as i can. First off, I have read the older Nesra related threads, and having done so, have an observation as well as a few questions. First off, it seems obvious to me that there is an organzied hostility towards Nesra by many but not all of BFF's long time regulars.

Having read the Thumping in Whitehall thread as well as the copyright thread, I am not so sure I fully agree with Nesra being fully to blame, and I will, at risk of being flamed, say I disagree with them trying to be divisive. That's my opinion but don't see any point in re-hashing a thread point by point. The thumping thread started out as questioning by many of you, and there are some things that DTK said that could have been handled better, but there was also an air of hostility in the questioning that became more obvious as the thread progressed.

In the copright thread, the hostility was very obvious, at least it was to me. But I am not taking their side, because it's equally obvious that tempers flared on both sides. From then till now, the hostility is just plainly there to see. That is my lame attempt at an obersvation.

My questions:

1) Noting that many derisive comments about Nesra revolve around DTK, does that start with the Thumping thread, or has he been already longer and is there bad blood from before that, or maybe have some of you had dealings with him prior to Nesra that make things so nasty now?

2) Many of the board regulars seem to be BFRO or sympathetic to it. As I put on my flame retardant underwear, I am wondering if some of the hostility has something to do with unwanted competition, read: Did Nesra' enthusiasm get them in trouble here?

I ask these questions in the interest of helping other newbs avoid stepping in it like I seem to have. My concern though is, I was of the impression this was a community board as opposed to a BFRO board. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but I doubt I'm in the minority in thinking such hostilities degrade both the community and the board.

Just my opinion(s), bracing for impact.....

THE SEARCH BUTTON IS YOUR FRIEND!!!

In light of the fact that you probably posted this in complete innocence, may God have mercy on your soul.





fwiw I finally got the quote function right

I heard this guy was unemployed.

RayG

And everyone said you were a hopeless cause

How can you have such strong opinions and at the same time admit to knowing little, if anything about the subject??
Instead of us answering your questions..why don't you use the search button and get the answers for yourself.



Again, we are not here to teach someone who is not energetic enough to look up the basics on their own. And I even wonder if you have even read many of the involved threads on these subjects? If you have, then you absorbed little of what was said.



Only Newbies who do not do research step into it..
Do you have a problem with the BFRO? You keep bringing up their name. Something else that degrades the community is people who form opinions..and yet seem to be joyfully oblivious of the facts!

I'll give you a three guesses






[edit - don't be daft Paul - GC doesn't need that many]

I freely admit that I "stepped in it", but I did go and read through the Thumping thread. And even though I may not nessicarily see it the same as you do, I see blame on both sides.

The comments in recent threads regard DTK + friends shows that, although he na dhis friends have lobbed grenades of their own. The first question I asked wouldn't be in the scope of board, specifically did anyone of you have bad dealings with DTk prior to him showing up on this board or in the thumping thread? Noone has given any indication that there's any info pertaining to that in any search.

As for the rest of it, I simply dont see them as totally at fault. I can see where there is an almost rivalry thing to be observed in this situation.

I think we need to put up another poll...

Do you tune in here to hear about bigfoot, or to read the soap opera?

Or maybe both?

Way too much press is given to these people.......

There are two consistencies that I have noticed within the sasquatchery since the 1950's, when the Bluff Creek Road footprints made the news;

an intense rivalry and backstabbing among enthusiastic searchers/researchers, and an aversion/caution among accredited scientists.

I think there are several reasons for these trends:

* Some want the fame and "riches" of being the one recognized as the discoverer

* Basic, immature human behavior, where some want everyone to recognize their theory or approach as the "right one"

* Some (especially accredited scientists) behold the petty bloodletting, and appropriately fear what it could do to their professional lives, thus keep away from the issue or work in secrecy

* The evolution/creation ideological struggle may have come into play with the issue, and is clouding judgement and possibly even causing a suppression of evidence and/or effort towards discovery

Like I've said before, sasquatchery appears to be more about human behavior than the sasquatches themselves. Whether or not they even exist, the phenomenon is interesting to study, and I'm learning much about my fellow man.

OK, that's twice today that I've spit coffee all over my monitor!

Tell you what zappy, try using the search function and type in BFRO. That ought to keep you busy for a couple of months.

Personally, I think zappy is trying to push his standing in the newbie of the year award category. Step back!! Nobody moves in on my lead........

Zappy will learn.... it's just gonna take him awhile, AZ!

Flame retardant undies!

Thats funny......


I have a few visuials and thoughts going through my mind right now but I will be a good boy


BluffCreek35

Does anyone have a Cuckoo Clock image and the appropriate sound to go along with it that can be posted here?

I'll keep my hat on thanks. I didn't see any candor or anyone from Nesra keeping their cool.

My hat would be off to the "meanieheads" who have to put up with stuff like this all the time. :rolleyes:

"You gimme reason to LIVE !!"

"You Can Leave Your Hat On"
Joe Cocker

Paul, it was a very gracious offer on your part. How ever gracious it was it did not bind them to any arrangement.

I personally wouldn't give up my cell records to a stranger. Realistically it may give a place and a time but not much else. I think the real issue is that they knew where they were and what they were there for and never intended to create what has transpired here or prove anything to anyone at this time.

Rest assured NESRA has some skilled and talented people who know the word skeptical and apply that word often. It is an agreed upon conclusion by the members that reporting within our own network will be SOP from here. I think we all took a valuable lesson from Josh's experience.

To me this seems to be people getting caught up in "the politics of bigfooting" on both sides. I for one feel there isn't a damn thing wrong with asking some tough questions or being skeptical. It is also a forgone conclusion that what one posts one must be prepared to take the heat on it. Never take anything personal if you wish to post about bigfoot, anywhere.


What ever the growing pains, we will go forward, get smarter, and grow as a group. But we'll do it in the woods, where bigfoot is, or at least I will.

I will say that ifI come across any hoaxing I will report it far and wide as I have done before rest assured.

Sincerely,
Paul R

As far as importence I can accept that NESRA may have the potential to produce something important but is not yet very important to other than those who wish to participate in it.

As a newbie be advised that being easily impressed is a bad trait. Posting skills aren't that important. Field skills are what count in bigfooting.

I think Josh did handle himself well but that does not change the fact that he disobeyed his father on two points as I understand it. Were he my son his pennance would be hard as my size 10 and a half.

I know you meant well but the best thing for evryone who is here for bigfoot to do is to shut down and go to the woods. It's why I only have forty something posts but it works for me.

Cheers

Good post PaurR
Hunster claims it is more about people and egos then about Sasquatch.
I can honestly say that I have only come across such in forums.
Out in the real world most people ..I find ..are helpful and interested..as well as interesting.
And our personalities really do not enter into it..once we have decided that one can trust the other.
Sadly, that is not in all cases. But you weed them out of your sphere and carry on.
There are certainly disagreements..but only over evidence..not someones personality.

But what else is there to do on a forum..eccept talk.
That is why it is here. So people either need to develope a thick skin..or spend more time with the evidence...depending on which they hold in higher regard. !

when will you people start useing your basic reading comprehension skills. paul graciously offerd very expensive profesional skills and services to josh and his dad. he wasnt demanding they take advantage. he just offerd them an opprotunity to have certon facts verifyed. this will have to be done anyways. not by presenting[in this case]a copy of a cell phone bill. but to make any report have merit part of the investigation is to verify all the facts you can. not all aspects can be verifyed.those that can [if your going to be professional and or scientific in any way]should be. verifying the cell tower the phone echoed will say yes they were in the area and yes they made these calls. other details like contacting the woman they interviewed and such.you folks think you know so much about this. someday you may but now your lack of knowledge and experience is blaring thru. infact you dont know enough to even know you dont know enough. you may bumble thru several investigations and figure out how to do them. goodie for you if you do. but to pass up free services of this type from a company or people who have to keep things confidental shows a serious lack of experience.hide your damned area no one is saying dont do this but dont talk down to or patronise expperienced people especially those offering what would probably be a couple hundred dollars in time and use of equipment by being so ignorant as to not read thru what they wrote and take others words fro what they ment. paul has at least 3 times repeated what he said and ment and you all still insist he said something different or ment something different.as for being such an experienced sasquatch investigator i find those who dont find need to toot their own horn more credible.your group has no sightings no info presented they now maybe have 1 good sighting to investigate. yoy should have something under your belt before you start talking about your experience. your leader should follow his own way of doing things or say hay we are now a centerally controlled group that has binding control of our members and their activities contrary to what we said int he begginning.go to the woods. find somehing but dont expect your word to be taken as gosple. expect questions and expect to have others expect indeprndent verification of as many facts as possible or dont play the game here.

hi david thomas king your organization called nesra seems to be great so is its website. i hope you keep us posted of your expeditions or trips about sasquatch. so has nesra gotten any reports result of these wicked weather the usa has dealing with lately. thanks bill green

So far the skills and talents seen on this board fail to impress.



I would have came to that conclusion after the Thumping in Whitehall thread. :doh:



Yeah, too bad it had to be at JVD's expense.

And do you think that they really give a sh beeeeeeeeeeeeep t?

Wow the politics around here are getting crazy...

As far as anyone owing an apology to any group...all of these so-called research organizations are rubbish until one can prove that it's out for actual research and not just a clique that's hoping to cash in on what would be the greatest biological discovery of our generation. NESRA I know very little about although in my limited time here DTK who appears to be a prominent member (if not outright leader) of the group has seemed to be a halfway decent guy, yet this organization recently has made a collective ass out of themselves. BFRO is a joke, if not an outright fraud, sorry guys I'm sure there's lots of good people involved, but the day they started charging people to go on expeditions, and more recently when Moneymaker (the irony of his name still kills me) was caught with a monkey suit in the back of his car...well nothing more needs to be said really.

There's people on all sides here that have let all these silly politics get in the way of progress. Hopefully someday they'll be enough fighting that everyone will give up and actually work to solve this mystery rather than do everything possible to keep it from getting done.

KW - Who is without allegiance to any group or organization and will keep it that way...

Are you suggesting Moneymaker is now Monkeymaker?

RayG