The prevalence of claims of limb formations/territorial markers as a part of the SQ issue is high. Lots of creepy Blair Witch lookin' photos.

But, has anyone claimed to have actually seen one of these animals creating one of these markers? I can't say that I've seen any such reports.

Walking through the woods almost anywhere, I can find dozens and dozens of "limb formations" that look just like the ones attributed to bigfoot. So, either bigfoot is ubiquious almost everywhere, or, the limb formations come from something a bit less exotic. If someone has any real evidence, or even indication that bigfoot is involved in making these things, I would be interested, but the raw numbers of the formations, being easily found in any little woodlot, tell a different story, to me at least. Like the blobsquatch photos, I think this a case of people seeing what they want to see, not what is really there. Just an opinion, mind you, no offense ment to those who belive that these are made by bigfoot. My response to them is...go find some evidence of it, please, and let us all see. The photo attached was taken less than 4 miles from downtown Kentwood, and there are several "limb formations" and at least one "twist" in it. I doubt that bigfoot had anything to do with any of them.

Great point. I've seen many photos that looked like the product of wind and gravity, nothing more. Some were so mundane that I was astonished that someone would get their knickers in a bunch over them.

But, some of them reek of deliberate action big-time, and are found in areas of heavy activity. I believe the idea of SQ making things out of limbs is very sensible.

OTOH, it's probably the easiest 'evidence' to fake, so it's hard to know how seriously to take reports.. especially when they're on sites with questionable reliability (MG, Yowie Hunters, etc)...

That's the thing, I guess. I have also seen the pics that look like naturaly formations, but I have yet to see a photo that looked to me like it could have no "natural" explaination other then artificial manipulation. Every pic I have seen of this type could just as easily be explained by chance falls of sticks, wind storms, snow or ice, deer rubs, so on and so fourth. I am not saying that bigfoot does not manipulate forest debris(quite possible that they do), but that from what I have seen, there is simply no evidence of it yet that is not EXTREMELY subjective.

I've seen pictures of supposed tree formations on the net that look exactly like tree formations I see up at the cabin...that is, on the way to the cabin, on the side of the highway. I don't think there's any sasquatch standing alongside I-35 bending trees, but I could be wrong...

To my knowledge there are NO witnesses to these formations or markers.
I give most of them very little credit, but do not completely dismiss them just yet.

The limb twists and breaks are most of the time easily dismissed as weather related, but I have seen a few that weren't so readily dismissed. Though I believe 99% of the ones seen on the web are weather damage.

Same thing with the tree arcs or tree bows. Those can be found anywhere. They are sometimes the result of disease or weakness in the tree and even the smallest of wind can bend them over. Sometimes they are the result of snow or ice damage or remains from logging processes. I give these little credit too.

The X markers could also be naturally created by limbs falling from trees, but I'm not so sure all of them are.

Some of the formations I've seen however are very odd and you don't just see them anywhere. Teepees for instance. Those don't look like they could possibly just fall into place naturally. I've only peronally seen one of them. But it was odd to say the least. Impalled sticks are another oddity.

I didn't give any of the markers or formations any of my time and dismissed them all immediately as bogus until I read up on "bonobos" and realized they make trail markers similar to some of the reported markers of sas. This does lend some credence to the marker finds.

I always keep an open mind about them, because to dismiss them immediately means I might be dismissing something that could help my research. But you have to learn to read which ones are natural and which ones appear not to be, just like reading through reports and dismissing the ones that sound like hoaxes.

Just my 2 cents...

Arky, ... ditto.

Well, almost ditto, i've seen alot of unexplainable wooden trail sign. Interwoven piles of twigs/small logs that couldnt be made by nature, and too heavy for man.

Others i have found right next to a track, almost like a trail pointer. Several times, i've found X's on the ground, white or light wood (easy to spot in the dark) that, if you took another two steps, youd be in plain view of a house or other man made structure.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmm".

Wouldn't you be able to tell if they were twisted as opposed to just broken. If its a green young tree and its completely wrenched and there weren't any big storms recently etc. I would think you would be able to tell. I am sure this is what Ark means by some are not explainable. So unless you saw it yourself or someone you respect as a good researcher has documented one then I would be skeptical. It is something that is easily faked or just claimed. I visited a site once and I can't remember what it was and they had like 10 pictures of supposed stick formations. Like that was all they had to put up so they put up tons of them. Like EB and blobsquatch photos.

Ive seen tree bends in the woods here in tennessee,but never really heard of any BF sightings,maybe I just really dont know what a real tree bend looks like but the ones I've seen looks just like the ones at the top of this thread.I'm in the woods most of the day and sometimes at night just whatever the job calls for,but from now on I'll pay more attention while in the woods..tennessee hills

This is something that I find alot in the areas that I research. Just this last week I've been able to get out in the field four times. I love this spring weather and the new baby farm animals and the wild flowers and I think maybe the squatch are starting to come from whereever it is they seem to go in the winter.

Anyway regarding tree breakage. The tree I found earlier this week was in front of a tree that looked like a tooth pick about 3 or four stories high. No branches on it and all the bark gone. The tree in question however was broken off at about 20 feet. This looks to be a fresh break and is nearby where something roared and grunted at me a while ago. It was off into the trees of this old logging road. Not apparent unless you were looking. Whatever did this then piled about 10 or more long branches and stacked them horizontally up about 20 feet where the break was. More branches and unrelated logs (small) were piled up horizontally. I heard something and so left after taking a few pictures. I want to explore around it a little more and maybe next weekend. Something ate my salt pork and liver. I had drawn a picture of a squatch and put it in a plastic cover next to the bowl. When I went to get the bowl and picture i found a hair on the bowl and stuck to the underside of the picture so Im thinking the hair was picked up from the ground. I put a bannana out and opened the peel at bit but whatever took the meat did not leave prints and it was very muddy. The bannana only had a nibble out of it.

I then ran into a mushroom hunter who showed me a deer hoof from a freshly killed deer. Possibly one of two I saw the day before. The odd thing about it was that it appear4ed to be the outer part of the hoof. Like a fingernail and I would think would have had to been pried off the hoof? Any ideas? I walked down to the area where he said he found it and found this area of very strange tree limb arrangements. I took some pictures of them. One was where two thin trees were pulled in the opposite direction of how they were growing next to each other and then one put horizontilly in the middle. And there were x's and one placed horizontilly next to the others. They appear to be markers of some sort to me also. Thanks for putting up with this long rant. Had a fun week squatching and hope the rest of you get out and do the same. goldie

I wish I had pics of it but NW probably remembers it also.About 2 years ago in Kalamazoo and Schoolcraft,in Michigan.alot of damage that was attributed to "straight line" winds some on tornado like bands several dozens of yards wide and some that were only feet wide in the damage zone they caused.Alot of that looked like wahat I have seen posted on some sites.Right down to the young trees "twisted" at odd angles and even some of the twists overlapping to make some very odd formations.I never lend alot of credence to any tree damage I've found because theres always another explanation or a lack of any other evidence as in nothing else Bf related in the area to my knowledge.

Excellent.

While I don't discount the possibility of SQ making territorial markers, I think some have, even though their intentions may be nothing but golden, done a little reaching in their attributions associated with....um....funky tree stuff. Actually, a hell of a lot of reaching, possibly.

And that's why I started this thread - to see if any such activity has been WITNESSED, or at least backed up with a trail of tracks lending support. I've seen so many photos and written accounts of this stuff that it seems there would be some evidence apart from the artifacts themselves.

We have a few accounts of digging holes in rock piles and stacking the rocks, chicken thievery, liverless deer, etc. that I consider to be pretty good evidence, it seems that the limb formations have much less backing them. They even seem to me to be a recent development, which does not help that cause much. I don't recall many (or any) reports of territorial markers in the 50's - 80's.

Tree shaking and breaking seems beyond doubt. I've seen enough good reports of shelters to be interested in that issue. But communicative actions with trees? If I wuz the biggest badass in the county and could scare a turd out of just about anything at 1000 meters, I wouldn't bother with building signs.

I hope they do make formations, though. We need all the help we can get.

> I hope they do make formations, though. We need all the help we can get.

^^^Jeeez....I looked at the last line of my post and something smacked me hard upside the head. Almost bleeding from the earholes.

The idea of SQ intentionally leaving....no, DISPLAYING evidence of its presence goes 100% against the grain of the hallmark of SQ b'vior - avoidance.

I don't recall any reports off the top of my head MM.But in the fictional movie "sasquatch:the legend of bigfoot"(1978 ?) has a scene where the party comes across an "X" marker.

AHHHH but (!!) they MAY be intelligent enough to understand that we pass ALOT of thier trail sign, and use that to thier advantage !!!

Its like when i drive in the inner city, too much to see at once (traffic signs, stop lights, turn signals) and you miss something ....

I think that Limb Formations and Tree Breaks are quite interesting, but to believe that Sasquatch is responsible for every broken branch and bunched twig in the forest is worse than naive, it's just plain stupid.

But to answer the question of the topic. No, I have never been a witness to a Sasquatch building a limb formation, if I were to come upon one doing this, it would either run awy or it would smoke me over the head with said tree limbs. I've witnessed a Sasquatch breaking trees in my second encounter (I've had two). But that about it.

Arky, I've seen tree tops that have broken off and impaled themselves quite deply into the earth when the came down...

Rob, I think you got something there... if Sas can stand/sit perfectly still and we still not see them, iit is not unreasonable to assume they might figure we wouldn't recognize the signifigance of a couple of sticks...

Starting to think like a Sas... what a concept... I just wish I had thought of doing that!

Become "One with the Foot"
that is the answer grasshopper.

I think signs are usually explainable....mother nature has a warped sense of humor on some of these "Researchers".


Yes I'll see that and raise you two teepee formations.....

Not trying to start a flame war... but I think that "assuming" anything about bigfoot is very wrong.

No one has seen a bigfoot setting markers for territory or trails, but you are "assum[ing] they might figure we [humans] wouldn't recognize the significance of a couple of sticks."

No one should assume anything about bigfoot.

Markers, vocalizations... they are all theorized to be associated with bigfoot. Please, please don't assume... it will only make an ass out of all who buy that assumption.

I had a large tree limb crash down into my camp one night during a hard storm. At daylight, it was speared into the ground about 15' from where I was sleeping. It was still there a year later when I happened back to the same spot...

Ok...

"think" they might...

There, all better now...

I'll buy that for a dollar. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I have too. This is really abundant after an ice storm.

I was talking about small limbs out of place that resemble the markers left by bonobos. Guess I didn't make that clear.

I've read this thread a bunch of times and still don't know what to think of it. We don't have tornados or hurricanes here in the PNW. Or anything that qualifies as high winds. Or major freezes either. Most parts don't get major snowstorms. But we get a lot of medium winds, along with a lot of soggy wet ground. I've seen trees blow down, twisted around, tangled up in knots? But I've never seen one of them photos that shows what you can't find around here on a dailey basis. All from natural causes.

Ok, if I found a area with a stretch of trees all broken off about 10 feet high I might kinda wonder. But I haven't seen that yet!

I ran across a twisted tree about 20-25 miles NE of Seattle while out looking for BF with a couple of acquaintances. (On a later occasion, on their own, they sighted a BF within two miles of this tree.) It was over 5 inches in diameter and was growing at a 90-degree angle--i.e., horizontally, after reaching a height of about 4 feet. It was over 25 feet long, I'd guess. It's hard to think what could do that besides a BF. There were many larger surrounding trees to shelter it from the wind & snow. Maybe a deer or elk could have twisted it when it was young? There's two pictures of the tree & me in the Sept. 2000 Track Record, p. 10. ("Chris Summit" is erroneously credited for being in the photo, but the next issue corrected that mistake.)

There were no handprints or gouges on the tree, nor footprints.

If the twist was made when the tree was mature, it would have taken incredible strength to have done it. Do trees continue to grow after they've been twisted like this? There were striations deep into the core of the tree as a result of the twist--would these be harmful within a few years, letting in bugs & disease and rot? If so, then the tree was twisted when it was pretty large.

About 100 feet away, on an old, bad logging road there was a stack of neatly piled flat rocks, but they looked "too good to be true" to me. I think someone else noticed the tree, which is alongside the road, and decided to have a little fun.

I'd like to say something regarding this phenomenon...

When I first got into this, I was one of those whom believed that many of the limb formations found were or could be attributable to Sasquatch activity in areas I frequent...
Many of these areas have generational sightings, some going back 70yrs (some rumored locally to go back further than that)...I think that, some myself and sasquatching partner have found MIGHT have been related to Sasquatch behavior, due to the specifics involved (mainly, exptremely thick limbs and/or sapplings twisted around until splintering, and then appearing to have been laid over)...

But now, I must confess...I don't even look for "limb formations" anymore...Why?...For the same reasons many have pointed out here...I've noticed that, in a great many other areas (in fact, most anywhere else) I sometimes find "limb formations" that many claim and swear by...And I know damn well there aren't any Bigfoot livin nearby...

I believe that mabey, just -mabey-, a very small percentage of twisted limbs and such MIGHT be attributable to something outside the norm, but that glaring 99.9% of the others one might find are just naturally occuring phenomenon...

And I don't care what some (You know who You are) claim, Bigfoot isn't pushing full grown trees upon others and making giant X formations...That is just plain old insane "Bigfootiseverywhereitus" talkin...

One thing that would clarify this matter would be for the opinions of tree-experts to be sought. If trees generally get infected in the tears that result from twisting, or if trees that are badly twisted stop growing, then the 5-inch-thick tree I saw was a good candidate for BF-twisting. The wood inside the striations was clean and white, and it seemed not to be suffering from any lack of leaves. (And, as I indicated, it's in good BF country--within 10 miles of Index, WA, where "Harry" met the Hendersons.) Or maybe there's some tree-expert opinion on this matter in one of their textbooks, which a dedicated researcher could locate.

I think you've swung too dramatically, from blanket acceptance to blanket rejection (99.9% rejection qualifies as such). Although it's maddening, we're in a fog and can't be very sure of much, and should admit it. Probably the lowest I'd go in dismissing an alleged limb formation as BF-caused (unless it was TRULY nothing-out-of-the-ordinary) would be 5% or 10%. There's no doubt a lot of people who go into the woods want to find some sort of evidence, and that because "believing is seeing," they have done the equivalent of blobsquatching in "finding" strange limb formations attributable to BF. This in turn has sparked a reaction against the whole idea of twists meaning anything. (I believe that notable contrarian Dan Perez, editor of Bigfoot Times, is on the warpath against them.)

My feeling is that twists of large trees, and even better twists of the tops and upper limbs of trees, especially in close proximity to one another, especially in "BF country," are likely to be BF-related--i.e., have a better than 50% chance of so being. This twisting is an activity BFs have frequently been reported doing, so it's not just a jump from hypothesizing ("only a BF could have done this") to dogmatizing. We "believers" (!) aren't making a really unsupportable leap.

Incidentally, in discussions of blobsquatching here, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the very relevant 60s film, Blow Up, in which a photographer imagines (or sees?) the outline of an assassin behind a bush in a photo he's taken, and keeps enlarging it and drawing outlines on it to try to "bring out" the shape there. Hasn't it been shown much on TV? I remember everyone talking about it and seeing it when it came out. Anyway, it's a classic on how the imagination can take over and turn a person into an obsessive.

And then there’s the film from the 80’s, FX, with John Travolta, who was recording nature sounds for a movie and caught an assassination on audio tape without realizing it…

It was real, it happened, but he wasn’t aware of the gunshot until he played the tape… makes ya’ think…

I don’t doubt Sasquatch will twist trees sometimes… and finding rhyme or reason to it may be difficult…

Especially if the behavior of tree twisting is nothing more than the actions of a bored juvenile Sasquatch… or maybe they do it as a team… like a game…

When I was a kid in elementary school, our school had wide outside covered walkways that were supported by those approx. five inch diameter metal poles… anyone who doesn’t watch where they walk knows what poles I mean… they hurt when you smack into them…

Anyways, the poles were spaced about eight feet apart, and we would play this game as kids where we would start at one end of the walkway and do sort of a slalom course, if you will, with these poles… we would run from pole to pole, and then jump and catch each pole with both hands and swing around to the other side of the pole with our feet off the ground… we would try to swing our feet as high as possible… it was very fun but is also a good way to get hurt… some klutz is always bound to hit the ground with a big thud and start crying, effectively ending our fun…

But, is it inconceivable that Sasquatch possibly has the same type of fun… especially the juveniles…?

Actually, the movie was titled "Blow Out" starring the awesome Nancy Allen as well.

I guess twisting a 5" diameter branch, 8' up the tree would give an indication to other Sasquatch just how strong the Sas. in that area is.

Maybe it's a way of saying, "this is my territory, don't bother f'n with me unless you can break a thicker branch, higher up."

Oh craig... how right you are!!! FX had the guy who did the make-up for the movies...

I just figured it would be easier to break a larger diameter tree if Sas had a little momentum... and some enertia working...

Chronic, I think you've got it!

What RB suggests might occasionally come into play too, but trees wouldn't be fun to swing around the way he describes doing with poles, owing to their branches' getting in the way.

One motive that might sometimes also be factor is just being in a rotten mood and wanting to take it out on something. Do animals get this way?

I go more along the lines of Randys thinking...unless you see a Bf actually break it...or find hairs wedged in the broken area (how does that not happen BTW ? ) .Way to many natural causes can be attributed to it to think even one of them are even 100% for real.

You mean formations like this?

Absolutely nothing in that last photo that can't easily be explaind by natural causes.

Leonard!!!

Just where have you been, Pvt. Pyle???

Where did you find that formation?

And if you say in your footlocker, so help me...

Glad to see you again! Visit whenever you can, but whatever you do, be sure not to miss our annual Christmas celebration, where we sing Happy Birthday to the baby Jesus...

Hehehe, someone REALLY needs to photoshop a jelly donut into those trees!

Welcome to the board Pvt.!

-Sarge

OK, I stand corrected...upon further review, we find a plethora of unnatural things...

Oh, and LL...welcome to the BFF!
Just having a bit of fun with your pic, nothing personal ment by it.

Man those tiny Marmosets are showin up everywhere...