So, of all the recent sightings listed over on BFRO, this one's my favorite:

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=3686

Basically, a couple of guys go out into the bush, get drunk, and the one who doesn't pass out has some pretty interesting experiences.

Here's my questions: What do YOU make of it? Is this guy for real? Do you think he's telling the truth?

Just curious...

The fellow is probably telling the truth.

Since there is no money involved in seeing a Sasquatch/Bigfoot, and usually people are quite sceptical, I imagine that most reports, whether they are really of a Sasquatch or not, are probably genuine.

Of course there are still folks that will make stuff up...

Hey JonZ, congrats on being the very first person to respond to a post on these boards! I know, an honor of dubious distinction, but exciting for me as the board admin...

Back to the subject at hand. I also doubt very seriously that most people would fake a sighting. I mean, why? The only reason (besides sheer bloody-mindedness) would be to yank the chain of those of us predisposed to believe them.

Well thank you for the honor. I think this will be fun. I took my kids to the Bigfoot Museum last fall and they had a blast. I just wish we'd have bought cast replica while we were there.

8) Well, at least I managed to get in...now we'll see.

As to the question, people who are drunk are always suspect as historians...but even drunks see real things now and then.

Sorry, but I disagree that most of these types of posts "are probably real."
Someone asked, "Why would they lie?" Uhh, let's see....Because they're jerks? Because they have nothing better to do than post a hoax sighting and get their jollies watching people respond to it? Do you not think such pitiful, lifeless people exist in droves? They do, they do.....

Ella - Hey, good for you! I knew you could do it!

Well, the thing is, Bipto, to respond to the previous posts: Yes, people have all kinds of perverse reasons to fake a sighting. Just look at all the virus hoaxes going around the internet, not to even mention other hoaxes, e.g. "Please pray for poor little cancer girl", who doesn't even exist!

I'll check out the story on the link that was given above, if I can get into it.

OK, I read the post on BFRO. I don't like the fact that it happened in Ohio. But I do believe the young man did have a strange experience and believed every word he wrote. As we know, frightened, traumatized, shocked witnesses do not make the most accurate historians. I took exception to a few things he related, but basically, I believe he's telling the truth as he perceives and defines truth. Something happened out there and it may or may not have been a Bigfoot, but it's possible.

Ella

What do you have against Ohio?

8) Hey Bipto, I have no problem with the state of Ohio. It's just that in such a heavily populated state, I have a harder time with the Bigfoot sighting. But I know there's even and Ohio Bigfoot research organization, so there has to be a reason. But if it had happened in Washington State, Oregon or BC, I could have accepted it much more easily. I didn't say it was not true, I'm saying I wish it had been in BC or Oregon.

I have read the report in question. I get the impression that this guy is telling the truth. If I were trying to pull off a hoax, I wouldn't admit to being on the sauce. It only weakens your credibility. I also wouldn't have gone into such detail for such a small payoff. It would make what was meant to be a joke into something resembling real work. This story reads to me as the excited notations of someone wanting to remember and convey every detail so as to try to find sense of it all. The drunk guy who sleeps through everything and is useless as a witness is probably the painful, exact truth. I also don't have a problem with the location. A friend of mine is from Ohio, and he used to live way back in the hills, in a cabin with a dirt floor. It's not quite as densly populated as I would have thought.

I would tend to agree with you, RB. Even if every detail is not correct and/or possibly exaggerated, I would say the witness is telling the truth as he remembers it.

BTW, I've never been to Ohio, so I really don't know its geography as I haven't taken a course in geography since high school and that was more years ago than I care to remember.

:wink:

I'd like to hear about bigfeet in Texas and/or Louisiana and Arkansas. And above all, Oklahoma! Any takers?

You make a good point about geography, Ella.

I really don't know a lot about geography either, especially about places I've never been. But after reading lots of reports about BF activity, it seems that they may inhabit areas within just a few miles of towns. There have been reports of sightings in rural and suburban areas. I think they might be curious and may be attracted to human populated areas by the activity or by the availability of food sources.

Hey, I never thought of that! You know, I have always been skeptical about sightings near towns, like one a few years ago near Edmond, Oklahoma. But what you just said makes sense. Now I won't be so eager to believe that the sightings near relatively populated areas are hoaxes. I'm going to Oklahoma on vacation to see family in about a month and I'll be sure to question everybody real closely!

I remember reading that sighting of the two who were drinking. It's hard to say. When you get to the bottle, you sometimes become pretty inventive when in a situation like that. There were alot of parts that I do find strange and humorous too. In all I'm not sure, but it is one of my favorites too!!

RB brought up a good point on interest in activity and food supplies. As for living undetected near urban life... Easy. People are too busy living their lives. There not looking for something that may be slowly moving just out of sight. When in the military, I performed alot of partolling in urban areas and we were always undetected even in extreme approximaty. If a group of people can do this, then one or two could easily get away with it.

Good point, scout. It is really amazing how we humans can unconsciously program themselves to not even see some of the most obvious things sometimes.

When you were in the military, you were probably trained in the tactics you employed. Just think how good you could be at it if you were raised like that from birth, and for generations and generations the same training, like Bigfoot.

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Apparently they have extremely well-honed avoidance skills. Plus, if you are not trained to look for something, you probably won't see it.

For example: I collect petrified wood for myself and to give to friends. I find some on every gravel road I ever go to and also in parking lots in nearby small towns. Yet people ask me where in the world I find it. I find big pieces occasionally too--one small log in fact, right on a country road. :wink:

I got an E-mail saying somebody had replied to a post of mine here. But I've searched the entire web site and can't find one. But I'll look again and see what happens!

Ella

Ella,
Check out our website for reports on all of the above states. Also check out the details on our upcoming 2nd Annual Texas Bigfoot Conference.

Craig Woolheater
Asst. Director
Texas Bigfoot Research Center
http://www.texasbigfoot.com

Hey, I already did and thanks! Your post here finally showed up for me and also your E-mail. I signed your guestbook and made a terroristic threat of visiting as often as I can, like daily!

The more public interest we have in Bigfeet, the better chance of saving them through legal protection. All we have to do is prove he's out there...by non-violent means.

Couldn't resist talking about Ohio Ella, Bipto, RB, Scout, etc.

My sister lived there outside of Columbus for a decade a while back. So I would go and spend time driving around there. I headed southeast for the WVA border... Its amazing. The woods and hills reminded me of Arkansas and Missouri. Having since talked to a bunch of Ohio people... and looking at wildlife statistics and stuff.. cause I wondered too why all the BF reports flying out of there... perhaps one of the more interesting
wildife facts was that they claim a million deer there. To me that is darn impressive. So you would think maybe there could be some predators there to take advantage of that. So who knows. Might be some surprises in Ohio.

Couple of problems with the report IMO( besides the fact they had obviously drank enough for one of them to pass out).One: at 60 feet in "total Darkness" he could make out the eyes were blue? Two:at 10 p.m. he was just about asleep yet could tell without seeing the object in question was moving at 35 miles per hour and just happened to catch it with his flashlight in this dense woods even though he was nearly asleep?If it was so dark even in the daytime that you could barely see to pick firewood how did their girlfriends find them and why wouldn't you find a spot to camp where you could see ?Way to many inconsistencies in this guys story besides the ones I mentioned to be believable.He didn't know anything about BF and yet hes going to relate a story that happened earlier in '98 ? come on now, it can't be both.

yep, I'll have to read that one. Sounds like there is a series of questions there.

Yeah, good food source for the furballs, as Ella would say. When I was hunting Texas, they claimed from 5 - 7 million deer, I think.

We have a steady decline in deer population in Nor Cal........some people like to blame mountain lions and lack of hunting for the cats.....maybe Bigfoot is responsible......due to lack of hunting on Bigfoot, they have overpopulated and are decimating the deer herds......

I think I will bring that up next time I'm in Hayfork and see what kind of response I get......

I think any report that has drinking involved is hard to believe. Our imagenation can get the best of us without chemicals helping out

why is everone saying this might be true.
after counting nine obvious lies by the time i was half way threw i quit reading.
1 knows exact times he start everything and stop.

2 goes camping with friend that drinks heavy but dose not himself.

3 resorts to weapons at noise in the woods

4 resorts to flashlights when noise gets close

5 resorts to radio when its so close he takes a picture

6 allows his drunk friend to sleep after the picture instead of pouring the ice water out of the beer cooler on him after being scaired out of his mind to the point he forgets he have rifles

7 knows the sound of a rhino cough

8 in the morning his friend is sniffing the ground and says it smells like vomit

9 after staying all night because his friend wanted to sleep. they both went picture taken after he allready had photographed a sas.

the fact drunkeness was in the story and as poor as he tries to weave he lie into a story is typical of a couple of 16 year old boys drinking and messing around on to computer.


by the way if you know of anyone interested in some beach front property i have some in eastern wa. im sellin cheap.

A lot of people have come forward with thier BF siting story, makes me wonder how many people havn't come forward; like me, I waited 25 years to finally come forward.

My Fathers family owned a farm in southern Ohio, and it is very isolated with hills and trees all around for miles; I asked my Uncle the other day if he had ever seen or heard anything out of the norn when he was young and he said no. If the reports coming out of Ohio are acurate at all, this would mean BF is confronting humans more as we take up more land, like so many other animals and birds do.

I still have Racooons coming in my house!

> why is everone saying this might be true.

Cause it might be.

> after counting nine obvious lies by the time i was half way threw i quit reading.

Obvious lies? Only an obvious lie is an obvious lie, so we'll take a look at what you've listed.

> 1 knows exact times he start everything and stop.

Not unreasonable, and I've the impression that he's not being exact for most of the report. Either way, a watch plus functioning memory can certainly equal exact times.

> 2 goes camping with friend that drinks heavy but dose not himself.

Not at all unreasonable. I've been in campsites where some drank, some did not. Some smoked cannabis, some did not. Some were tripping on mushrooms........and so on. To call something like this a obvious lie is a veritable orgasm of poor reasoning, IMO.

> 3 resorts to weapons at noise in the woods

You've never been to Texas, have you?

> 4 resorts to flashlights when noise gets close

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

> 5 resorts to radio when its so close he takes a picture

His actions with the camera are not unreasonable. Not sure what you mean about the radio.

> 6 allows his drunk friend to sleep after the picture instead of pouring the ice water out of the beer cooler on him after being scaired out of his mind to the point he forgets he have rifles

I don't dump coolers on my friends. Even in the summer, on a cool night (and especially if dressed in cotton) this could be fatal. If nothing else, it's really uncool!

> 7 knows the sound of a rhino cough

Ever been to the zoo or watched one of the many cable channels that would easily offer such knowledge? Knowing the sound a well-known animal makes is hardly an obvious lie.

> 8 in the morning his friend is sniffing the ground and says it smells like vomit

I've seen drunks do stranger things in the morning. Maybe it was his breath bouncing off the ground back at his nose.

> 9 after staying all night because his friend wanted to sleep. they both went picture taken after he allready had photographed a sas.

Surveying the area and taking photos is exactly what you'd expect a sane person to do. I read no claim that a sas was photo'd....only that the camera was pointed in the direction of sounds and activated. With most cameras, the flash would have a very short range and I'd expect no fruit from that tree.

> the fact drunkeness was in the story

You think that admission of alcohol use renders the story false? I'd think a hoaxter would head the opposite way. Many, many people like to get hammered in the woods, and no commonly used mind altering substances produce actual hallucinations. I've never found intoxication itself to be a dealbreaker in a sassy report.

> and as poor as he tries to weave he lie into a story is typical of a couple of 16 year old boys drinking and messing around on to computer.

Think so? I don't see it. The story may or may not be accurate. I found nothing especially compelling to swing it either way. The things I noticed to call into question would be their sas-related fooling around before the encounter began (context) and the imitation of human speech (detail). But, the fact that a few pretty solid reports also note speechlike utterances leaves one thinking.

Either way, a good read. Having the thing right above you on an overhang would be a rather interesting situation.

What a great line!
You made my day, Monkey Man!
Jan

m. m. i read it a second time. still looks like a fairy tail.

i did live in fortworth and they do like their guns.

Hey there nothed....didn't mean to bust yer stones or anything, just trying to keep the ol' investigative mind sharp.

I certainly would not place that report at the level of confidence I hold some others at, that's for sure. But overall, I don't see any big red flags. The only way I could really have a firm opinion would be if I could spend some time with the person.

Point is, this is a strange thing to be involved in and dealing with so many people who are totally full of sheee-yit makes BF investigation a minefield. Equally important as spotting a hoaxter is making sure that details that are not really unreasonable are not discounted, resulting in the loss of opportunity. If you have a monkey up the road, you don't want to blow it off because the reporter drank a six pack or two.

The report we're dealing with was quite similar to what happened to me long ago (only we were sober as SOME judges), and I can kindasorta put myself in his shoes when trying to deconstruct his account and look for holes, and based on that I sense no outstanding problems with the story. But compared to, say, Dr. M. Johnson's sighting in SW Oregon, it falls short on the base credibility scale. And compared to a certain story involving a poop barn and impromptu orthopaedic repair to a BF's bum leg....well, you know.

i glad you did. i wouldn't expect any thing less.

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Hey, Bip, be proud........your original thread is still going strong!!

Quote JonZ, 4th post ever here:



Yep...he nailed that prediction!

Nothing in the story or the way it was written sounds accurate or believable to me......

I completly agree with jim, when i first read this, when he said he saw the blue in the eyes at 60 feet away in the dark with a flashlight, i thought either he was exaggerating or this was all a BS story. I mean just think, when you are out anywhere in the woods and you see some kind of animals eyes from a light source, it always will but off that greenish yellow glow. it just doesnt make it clear as day where a person could see the blue and white in his eyes, much less see his pupil size. Cuz i know in broad daylight i couldnt see anyones pupil size from 60 feet.

Someone agreed with me ??!!?? ..Hi Want2...gimme a minute to let the shock wear off....

haha yea, well in my opinion all you have to do is look at the little details in this one to tell if its legit or not

i bet the guy is telling the truth. there is no mention of him drinking, only his buddy. whether its true or now, it sure as hell made for a good read! and i feel sorry for the guy who was passed out drunk and kept getting woken at hour intervals by his friend telling him he's scared. that hangover must have really been kicking in...

South eastern Ohio is not that heavily populated, but somethin' about those blue eyes at 60ft doesn't sit well with me.

Interesting report Bip. One thing however i do not get.How does this guy
know the thing was running at 35 miles per hour?? Did the guy have a
radar detector on him or what?? Also that would seem a little fast to be moving
through wooded terrain. Perhaps the guy was just exaggerating a little on
this part of the report. It just seems to me he would just say the thing was
running back and forth in the woods ,but instead twice,he said 35 miles per hour.
Also,he stated the exact time, of each encounter.I just think he was to specific
in all the details. Good read though!!

Answer this question. How do you tell the color of an individuals eyes at sixty feet. This story is pure rubbish.

i was doing a little searching as i was very board.i thought i would be fun to look at the very first thread on this great forum. so without further adue :bump:

......BIPTO ROCKS !!!......

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MEMMORIES !!!

I didn't really follow what the 'overhang' was - perhaps a rock ledge? BF seemed to be on top of it at one point.

The other: the scale of the tree he mentioned. I realize that it was night, and he was sleepy, etc, but the top of a tree that is 12' tall, and 'cut' at the 8' mark, should hang down to 4' above the ground - not on the ground. A 12' tree with a diameter of 4" - maybe at the base where the trunk touches the ground. Perhaps he meant a 16' tree.

Otherwise it sounds like classical BF, although a lot of different characteristics crammed into one story.