In a number of sighting reports of the Bray Road Beast, in SE Wisconsin, the intersection of Bray Road and Hospital Road is mentioned. This is the intersection mentioned.
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In a number of sighting reports of the Bray Road Beast, in SE Wisconsin, the intersection of Bray Road and Hospital Road is mentioned. This is the intersection mentioned.
Looking towards the northeast we see that there is not much in the way of woods but most of the land in this direction is primarily corn and soybean fields.
To the Northwest we see woods in the distance and cornfields in the foreground. The woods in this direction are primarily small plots, with none covering more than maybe 5 acres or so with large breaks of fields between them.
To the Southwest there are mostly soybean fields and what appears to be larger tracks of woods. However, on closer inspection these woods are larger only in length, and are more like windbreaks between fields with a depth of maybe 100 feet or so, then there is another field.
To the Southeast of this intersection looks like the most likely place anything would be able to hide with any regularity. Again, these are small areas of woods, but there are more of these clusters, and less open land between them.
Cool pictures Moregon. I've seen the T.V. programs about the Bray rd beast and I thought it might be some sort of squatch. has there been any recent activity?
hi everyone the bray road woods area does look like good habitat for a sasquatch to prowl around. has there been any new sightings or footprints found there. is any wisconsin sasquatch researchers here planning any expedition or trips to the area to look for evidence. i think in my opinion the bray road beast is a sasquatch and not a werewolf judgeing by the way the eyewittnesses are saying the creature looks. please keep me posted. thanks bill
Several reports mentioned the area's description as being wooded and swampy. There are no visible swampy areas nor vegetation that would suggest swampy areas that can be seen from this intersection. I suppose that at certain times of the year, especially during spring rains, some of the low lying fields may turn swampy, but nothing year-round. As a matter of fact there are no ground level rivers or creeks even flowing into this area, so the only water would have to be underground. There is a dry creek bed about 2 miles north of here, on Potter Road, but that wouldn't supply needed water. The other nearest natural water source would be a creek that flows on the other side of the Interstate Highway. If in fact that were it's source of fresh water, then I would expect there would have been a number of sighting reports filed from drivers along the Interstate, and there hasn't been that I've found.
So where would it be getting fresh water, if something is in fact here? My guess is that back towards county highway NN, about 1 1/2 miles SW of this intersection is a dairy farm and there are number of outdoor watering tanks for the cows visible. This is the only accessible visible water source I could find within a couple of miles of this intersection.
Personally I don't think whatever is here, if anything is a bigfoot or bigfoot like creature. I may take a run back out into this area during night hours, as that's when the sightings have been reported. As far as it being an area where I would spend any amount of time to really explore, I don't think so.
So where would it be getting fresh water, if something is in fact here? My guess is that back towards county highway NN, about 1 1/2 miles SW of this intersection is a dairy farm and there are number of outdoor watering tanks for the cows visible. This is the only accessible visible water source I could find within a couple of miles of this intersection.
Personally I don't think whatever is here, if anything is a bigfoot or bigfoot like creature. I may take a run back out into this area during night hours, as that's when the sightings have been reported. As far as it being an area where I would spend any amount of time to really explore, I don't think so.
Great pics and good point on the water source. Maybe their is nature springs in the wooded areas or low ground water? It looked like a nice day for a drive.
Peace,
Boss
Peace,
Boss
Moregon, do you know if they irrigate these crops?
Great pictures BTW.
Great pictures BTW.
JayleeD no idea if they irrigate or not, however we are currently having a drought in this part of the country, so they'd better if they don't want to lose a good portion of the crop before harvest season.
There were no irrigation ditches in the fields, nor was there any irrigation equipment that I saw in any of the fields in this area. I drove at least 2 miles in every direction from that intersection including up Plank Road and Meadowbrook Roads (what a name for a road when no water there) both of which run to the north off Bray. I also drove south to County NN on Hospital Road and North on Plank as far as Hwy 11, then took Potter East to Bowers. Bray Road in it's entirety is only a little less than 4 miles in length. So it's not a real long road by any means and the Bray Road - Hospital Road intersection is about the midway point.
There were no irrigation ditches in the fields, nor was there any irrigation equipment that I saw in any of the fields in this area. I drove at least 2 miles in every direction from that intersection including up Plank Road and Meadowbrook Roads (what a name for a road when no water there) both of which run to the north off Bray. I also drove south to County NN on Hospital Road and North on Plank as far as Hwy 11, then took Potter East to Bowers. Bray Road in it's entirety is only a little less than 4 miles in length. So it's not a real long road by any means and the Bray Road - Hospital Road intersection is about the midway point.
Like Bill said... That does look like a pretty good habitat for a Sasquatch!
i think there is a book about the bray road sightings called the bray road beast. josh jvd thanks for the reply. has any sasquatch footprints or possible sasquatch bedding areas ever been found in the woods near bray road. please keep me posted. bill
(psst, you should have gone northwest from Bray Road up towards LaGrange...)
To the best of my knowledge, there has been no hard evidence of any kind found, it's existence has depended entirely on eye witness reports. Some have speculated that in fact people were seeing a bigfoot, rather than a werewolf as it had been originally reported to be.
While I was still in Oregon, someone, it may have been Sailgirl, brought up the subject about the Bray Road Beast and I replied with a description of the area being mainly agricultural with very little wooding other than the typical wind blocks through large field areas and grove like stands of woods common in Southern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois. Today's trip confirmed that is still the case in this area. There are not multi-hundred acre plots of woods but simply small patches scattered about.
Any creature, bigfoot or otherwise needs a supply of water and food, and I highly doubt that something as large as bigfoot is reported to be can exist simply on early morning dew and water in plants he may eat. If he were to walk to and from the nearest creek I could find, he'd be in the open, due to the corn and soybean field with no woods on that route., as well as a major highway he'd have to cross. There would, or at least should have been a much larger number of sightings reported had this been the case.
The issue of food sources also makes me wonder. At least with a lake, creek, or river there is the possibilty of catching fish to exist on. This type of land usually is a common home to rabbits, squirrels deer and game birds like pheasant and quail but whether there is enough area here to produce enough to keep a bigfoot happy is questionable. Also, I did walk the field edges south of the intersection for some way and did NOT find any deer tracks so even their existence in this specific area is questionable. My guess is there probably is some, but not a large number.
I won't say there is no bigfoot in this area, nor will I say it's definately a werewolf (whose existence I question). I will say the area does not meet what I consider to be the minimum requirements needed by a bigfoot or any other large creature to remain hidden and undetected the majority of the time. I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last, it's simply my opinion at this time.
While I was still in Oregon, someone, it may have been Sailgirl, brought up the subject about the Bray Road Beast and I replied with a description of the area being mainly agricultural with very little wooding other than the typical wind blocks through large field areas and grove like stands of woods common in Southern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois. Today's trip confirmed that is still the case in this area. There are not multi-hundred acre plots of woods but simply small patches scattered about.
Any creature, bigfoot or otherwise needs a supply of water and food, and I highly doubt that something as large as bigfoot is reported to be can exist simply on early morning dew and water in plants he may eat. If he were to walk to and from the nearest creek I could find, he'd be in the open, due to the corn and soybean field with no woods on that route., as well as a major highway he'd have to cross. There would, or at least should have been a much larger number of sightings reported had this been the case.
The issue of food sources also makes me wonder. At least with a lake, creek, or river there is the possibilty of catching fish to exist on. This type of land usually is a common home to rabbits, squirrels deer and game birds like pheasant and quail but whether there is enough area here to produce enough to keep a bigfoot happy is questionable. Also, I did walk the field edges south of the intersection for some way and did NOT find any deer tracks so even their existence in this specific area is questionable. My guess is there probably is some, but not a large number.
I won't say there is no bigfoot in this area, nor will I say it's definately a werewolf (whose existence I question). I will say the area does not meet what I consider to be the minimum requirements needed by a bigfoot or any other large creature to remain hidden and undetected the majority of the time. I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last, it's simply my opinion at this time.
QUOTE(Just Curious @ Jul 9 2005, 10:46 PM)
(psst, you should have gone northwest from Bray Road up towards LaGrange...)
Oh sure, NOW you tell me!
I don't know what to think of the reports of this creature either. When I see a report or an article referring to it - it kind of gives me the creeps. I don't get the feeling it's a bigfoot. I think the reason I have the feeling that this creature is not bigfoot is because of the reports I've seen. Not one of them I've seen mention the creature as having an appearance that would come even close to being human-like. I've heard it described as a creature, upright on two legs, but the face is always reported to be wolf-like. I think that is likely what scares people the most. If it looks wolf-like - they likely resort to thinking that it might be a werewolf. This creature (whatever it is) also appears to stand it's ground and doesn't give an indication that it is afraid. It doesn't run. At least when sighting a bigfoot, those sightings more times then not describe how bigfoot looks so human and a bigfoot leaves an area usually. Just based on that - I would prefer to have a bigfoot sighting any day.
I don't know if Wisconsin has improved it's rest areas or not, but the last time we went through Wisconsin to get home from a trip by Lake Superior - I thought the rest areas were deserted and spooky not to mention very outdated with outhouses rather then nice public bathrooms. We are planning a short trip to Wisconsin for a Native American Music Awards concert and will likely stick around for the week-end - but there won't be any unnecessary night driving while we're there. Otherwise, I think Wisconsin is a beautiful state and there are many people who commute for miles to get to their jobs in Minnesota just to be able to live in Wisconsin. Housing is definitely cheaper - at least it was at one time. I don't know what people in Wisconsin are experiencing with this creature. I'm just glad I don't have to live in the area of those sightings.
I don't know if Wisconsin has improved it's rest areas or not, but the last time we went through Wisconsin to get home from a trip by Lake Superior - I thought the rest areas were deserted and spooky not to mention very outdated with outhouses rather then nice public bathrooms. We are planning a short trip to Wisconsin for a Native American Music Awards concert and will likely stick around for the week-end - but there won't be any unnecessary night driving while we're there. Otherwise, I think Wisconsin is a beautiful state and there are many people who commute for miles to get to their jobs in Minnesota just to be able to live in Wisconsin. Housing is definitely cheaper - at least it was at one time. I don't know what people in Wisconsin are experiencing with this creature. I'm just glad I don't have to live in the area of those sightings.
I would be curious of the time of year sightings are taking place? If it is mainly late summer and fall, corn fields would make excellent cover and provide some food at that time. Esp. if they like the taste of coon and corn.
Also, the time frame between sightings? ( I have occationally walked through a town with no desire to live there.) Is it possible that it is passing through? A few miles walk to water is not that big of a deal.
As for sightings along a hwy...... It would not surprise me if there was a bf convention next to a hwy and no one saw it. Most people are in zombi mode while driving esp. on a hwy.
Also, the time frame between sightings? ( I have occationally walked through a town with no desire to live there.) Is it possible that it is passing through? A few miles walk to water is not that big of a deal.
As for sightings along a hwy...... It would not surprise me if there was a bf convention next to a hwy and no one saw it. Most people are in zombi mode while driving esp. on a hwy.
Entertaining read..
http://www.prairieghosts.com/brayrd.html
http://www.prairieghosts.com/brayrd.html
hi mountainlady good evening wow thats a great website about the bray road beast aka sasquatch. i hope more researchers here on this forum look into wisconsin sightings new & old. please keep me posted. thanks bill
Thanks Mountain Lady,
Only had time to skim it this morning, but seems interesting.
I have always been an advocate that Wisconsin is a way to often over looked state. With litterally years and hundreds (I have 80+ and that is just from chetek north) of sightings. The earliest I have from there took place in the late 40's (that is not counting NA stories).
Only had time to skim it this morning, but seems interesting.
I have always been an advocate that Wisconsin is a way to often over looked state. With litterally years and hundreds (I have 80+ and that is just from chetek north) of sightings. The earliest I have from there took place in the late 40's (that is not counting NA stories).
........there isn't such thing as a werewolf.....
Are there?
Are there?
Hello,
This is my first post, someone tipped me off to your exchange on the subject nearest and dearest to my heart as the author of The Beast of Bray Road. I have to say first of all that most of what is on the Web or even the info on one of the 8 or 9 tv shows I've been interviewed on is mostly outdated, a lot of what's on other websites is incorrect or mistated. I'd be glad to answer questions. I would like to say however that the sightings continue, the most recent was March 9 in Rock County in this state, and I am receiving reports from other states too. Since the first book came out I've had many more witnesses come forth and am now up to over 50. Most are NOT on Bray Road, which hasn't had a reported sighting in eight or nine years. They are spread mostly over southeastern Wisconsin but also in other areas of the state. It is not a form of Sasquatch, it is definitelycanid as evidenced by footprints which look like a large, large wolf's, specific eyewitness descriptions, and possibly a fur sample. That is not to say that I don't have a few Bigfoot types in the mix...we definitely have those as well around here especially in the Palmyra area.
There are small, hard to see creeks along Bray Road, btw, more evident in spring, which empty into the nearby Sugar Creek watershed about a mile and a half away. This creature always follows water.
I have to be out for the evening and away from my computer from time to time but will come back to check posts as possible. I'm halfway through my second book on the topic, which means there are now two books-worth of material so it's impossible for me to tell everything here or even on my web-site, cnb-scene.com, but I'll share what I can. Thanks everyone for your interest and hope I can be of some help in understanding this phenomenon.
Linda
This is my first post, someone tipped me off to your exchange on the subject nearest and dearest to my heart as the author of The Beast of Bray Road. I have to say first of all that most of what is on the Web or even the info on one of the 8 or 9 tv shows I've been interviewed on is mostly outdated, a lot of what's on other websites is incorrect or mistated. I'd be glad to answer questions. I would like to say however that the sightings continue, the most recent was March 9 in Rock County in this state, and I am receiving reports from other states too. Since the first book came out I've had many more witnesses come forth and am now up to over 50. Most are NOT on Bray Road, which hasn't had a reported sighting in eight or nine years. They are spread mostly over southeastern Wisconsin but also in other areas of the state. It is not a form of Sasquatch, it is definitelycanid as evidenced by footprints which look like a large, large wolf's, specific eyewitness descriptions, and possibly a fur sample. That is not to say that I don't have a few Bigfoot types in the mix...we definitely have those as well around here especially in the Palmyra area.
There are small, hard to see creeks along Bray Road, btw, more evident in spring, which empty into the nearby Sugar Creek watershed about a mile and a half away. This creature always follows water.
I have to be out for the evening and away from my computer from time to time but will come back to check posts as possible. I'm halfway through my second book on the topic, which means there are now two books-worth of material so it's impossible for me to tell everything here or even on my web-site, cnb-scene.com, but I'll share what I can. Thanks everyone for your interest and hope I can be of some help in understanding this phenomenon.
Linda
Well, WELCOME TO THE BFF! 
Thanks, Josh, glad to be here. As it happens, I'm writing about Michigan Bigfoot sightings right now too so it's a good place to be anyway.
Linda
Linda
hi linda good afternoon wow thanks for the bray road beast update. i always see your books about the bray road beast on the internet. im looking forward on seeing your newer books soon. please email me so we can talk about sasquatch research. thank you bill green ct sasquatch researcher welcome to the bigfoot forums please keep me updated. so how is your book comeing along about the michigan sasquatch. also if i remember dont you have a website about the bray road beast. do you have a cover made up for your new book about the michigan sasquatch.thats great also there is still sightings of sasquatch like creatures in your areas of research of wisconsin.
do you have a cover made up for your new book about the michigan sasquatch.thats great also there is still sightings of sasquatch like creatures in your areas of research of wisconsin.
Heyy.. welcome to the forum, Linda.
I'm glad you found us!
Are any of the reports you have investigated available online anywhere? Or, are they only available in your book?
I'm also curious as to what first got you interested in these reports.
Thanks in advance!
ML
I'm glad you found us!
Are any of the reports you have investigated available online anywhere? Or, are they only available in your book?
I'm also curious as to what first got you interested in these reports.
Thanks in advance!
ML
Hey Bill, Mountain Lady and all,
Thanks for the nice welcome. I'll try to answer both of you here. First, what I'm writing now on Bigfoot is for a chapter in the book Weird Michigan which will come out late next spring from Barnes & Noble. There is a weird series, you can go to barnesandnoble.com and search for Weird to find it. Lots of Bigfoot in that state, going way back. I study the Sasquatch/Bigfoot mainly to help distinguish it from "Beast" type sightings...strange to think we have both but we do, and not just in the midwest. Oddly, cougar and black panther sightings seem to follow in the same areas. I have a cougar page on my site.
Yes Bill there are still Sasquatch sightings in my area as recently as ten years ago that I know of. The last one was in Honey Creek on the far east side of Walworth County and was seen by a man and a woman at the same time. Definitely Bigfoot and not Wolfman. There may be a few others where people didn't have a good enough look at the head to be sure. But we have BHM's (big hairy monsters) aplenty.
The new Beast of Bray Road book, Hunting the American Werewolf, will be out in April of 2006 but my deadline is Nov. 1. I don't know what the cover will be, the publisher does that and I don't have much input. But it will have a lot of witness sketches of both Beast and Bigfoot, as well as maps and photos of terrain.
Mountain Lady, I do have some reports listed on my website, mostly on the brayupdate page http://www.cnb-scene.com/brayupdate.html but also see the cougar page http://www.cnb-scene.com/cougar.html and some incidentals on the hello page
http://www.cnb-scene.com/hello.html There is also a book page where you can order autographed copies of the books or you can get them on amazon or b&n. I'm trying to remember which page I put the fur photos on, they are rather interesting. I think the hello page.
What got me interested? I was working as a newspaper reporter back in 1991 when the werewolf story came to my attention in Elkhorn, and I wrote it and then all hell broke loose, Inside Edition came out here and it was in papers and on radio and TV all over the country, and it hasn't stopped since. People started coming to me with their stories and I began investigating and collecting in an effort to solve the mystery, and I'm still doing that. We did have an intensive overnight hunt at the site of the most recent sighting, with a bunch of my investigator colleagues, using electronic equipment, motion-detector cams, etc. but came up empty handed. I'd like to put all my information on the web but as I said there are two-books-worth and it's just too much. But as I said, I'll answer what questions I can.
Plans changed and I'm here this evening after all. Great to be chatting.
Linda
Thanks for the nice welcome. I'll try to answer both of you here. First, what I'm writing now on Bigfoot is for a chapter in the book Weird Michigan which will come out late next spring from Barnes & Noble. There is a weird series, you can go to barnesandnoble.com and search for Weird to find it. Lots of Bigfoot in that state, going way back. I study the Sasquatch/Bigfoot mainly to help distinguish it from "Beast" type sightings...strange to think we have both but we do, and not just in the midwest. Oddly, cougar and black panther sightings seem to follow in the same areas. I have a cougar page on my site.
Yes Bill there are still Sasquatch sightings in my area as recently as ten years ago that I know of. The last one was in Honey Creek on the far east side of Walworth County and was seen by a man and a woman at the same time. Definitely Bigfoot and not Wolfman. There may be a few others where people didn't have a good enough look at the head to be sure. But we have BHM's (big hairy monsters) aplenty.
The new Beast of Bray Road book, Hunting the American Werewolf, will be out in April of 2006 but my deadline is Nov. 1. I don't know what the cover will be, the publisher does that and I don't have much input. But it will have a lot of witness sketches of both Beast and Bigfoot, as well as maps and photos of terrain.
Mountain Lady, I do have some reports listed on my website, mostly on the brayupdate page http://www.cnb-scene.com/brayupdate.html but also see the cougar page http://www.cnb-scene.com/cougar.html and some incidentals on the hello page
http://www.cnb-scene.com/hello.html There is also a book page where you can order autographed copies of the books or you can get them on amazon or b&n. I'm trying to remember which page I put the fur photos on, they are rather interesting. I think the hello page.
What got me interested? I was working as a newspaper reporter back in 1991 when the werewolf story came to my attention in Elkhorn, and I wrote it and then all hell broke loose, Inside Edition came out here and it was in papers and on radio and TV all over the country, and it hasn't stopped since. People started coming to me with their stories and I began investigating and collecting in an effort to solve the mystery, and I'm still doing that. We did have an intensive overnight hunt at the site of the most recent sighting, with a bunch of my investigator colleagues, using electronic equipment, motion-detector cams, etc. but came up empty handed. I'd like to put all my information on the web but as I said there are two-books-worth and it's just too much. But as I said, I'll answer what questions I can.
Plans changed and I'm here this evening after all. Great to be chatting.
Linda
First of all I'd also like the welcome Ms. Godfrey to the board, and I promise I'll soon read your books as I'm sure it has more info in it than the shreds I was getting from here and there.
Also, I stumbled across another board which I believe you are familiar with, or at least with some of the members there, "The Wisconsin Ghost Board", and they sent me to your "Bray Road Beast Update" page at Bray Road Beast Update Page
Thanks to that page I learned that there have been, as you said, sightings of either the same or similiar creature all over the place in SE Wisconsin. I also happened to get a better topo map of the area, and find there is in fact water in the vicinity, although at the present time it's not visible from the roads. Possibly due to the drought conditions we are now suffering. There is also a discrepancy between the two topo maps I have. One says that in the wooded area to the SE from the Bray Road - Hospital Road intersection there is a swampy area, and the other shows no such swampy area.
I agree that it seems that waterways, especially creeks and rivers seem to be a major natural landmark that a number of animals such as this one, as you suggest, and a number of bigfoot sightings I have read as well. Also, there have been a number of sightings where railroad tracks have been mentioned, regarding sightings of bigfoot. I noticed on the map that there is in fact a rail line, not far from Bray Road, as well as near Sharon, and through the Lima Marsh. If you follow those rails, they do in fact intersect near the Delevan area, I believe it was, I don't have the map in front of me right now. I think there's the possibility that it could be following the tracks as it would waterways to move from area to area, pretty much hidden from the view of the general public.
Anyway, once again welcome to the board, and I look forward to more input on the subject from you.
Also, I stumbled across another board which I believe you are familiar with, or at least with some of the members there, "The Wisconsin Ghost Board", and they sent me to your "Bray Road Beast Update" page at Bray Road Beast Update Page
Thanks to that page I learned that there have been, as you said, sightings of either the same or similiar creature all over the place in SE Wisconsin. I also happened to get a better topo map of the area, and find there is in fact water in the vicinity, although at the present time it's not visible from the roads. Possibly due to the drought conditions we are now suffering. There is also a discrepancy between the two topo maps I have. One says that in the wooded area to the SE from the Bray Road - Hospital Road intersection there is a swampy area, and the other shows no such swampy area.
I agree that it seems that waterways, especially creeks and rivers seem to be a major natural landmark that a number of animals such as this one, as you suggest, and a number of bigfoot sightings I have read as well. Also, there have been a number of sightings where railroad tracks have been mentioned, regarding sightings of bigfoot. I noticed on the map that there is in fact a rail line, not far from Bray Road, as well as near Sharon, and through the Lima Marsh. If you follow those rails, they do in fact intersect near the Delevan area, I believe it was, I don't have the map in front of me right now. I think there's the possibility that it could be following the tracks as it would waterways to move from area to area, pretty much hidden from the view of the general public.
Anyway, once again welcome to the board, and I look forward to more input on the subject from you.
Hi!
Thanks for another welcome, and that was nice of the Ghost people to point you to my site. We have a very friendly community of various researchers in this state and all kind of look out for one another, it's a nice atmosphere to work in. You all might also be interested in my other site,
http://www.weirdmichigan.com as it has a story on the Michigan Dogman, very similar and also definitely not Sasquatch.
I'm not surprised that one of the topos doesn't show a marsh. The watershed area doesn't look like a typical marsh so may not be considered that by everyone. And you are also probably right about it using the railroad tracks to get around. I've hiked the one by the Lima Marsh, scene of the last sighting, several times myself. It's much easier than slogging through fields and swamp. Now that, by the way, is a marsh! It's huge, and quite wild. Anything could live in there. The Lima Marsh is a state nature preserve, with a small parking area, and anyone can go in there or walk the tracks, although you have to stay out of the fields the adjoin the other side of the tracks. And the marsh is pretty wet most of the time, though I don't know what the drought has done to it. If you go at night be careful, there are packs of coyotes and feral farm dogs, also cougars have been spotted there.
Marshes in general seem to be a preferred habitat for this creature. It's a scavenger, from all indications, although it's been spotted watching and chasing down deer on several occasions. I had a report of one in NJ seen carrying a deer out of a woods. The wolfman/dogman, though, is smaller and not nearly so robust as the Bigfoot, especially in the legs. And it has long claws on both its "hands" and its feet, which show up in the tracks.
Lately I've been playing with the idea that this is a more evolved version of the dire wolf, which was supposedly wiped out in the last ice age. It would have had to become bipedal, but stranger things have happened.
Linda
Thanks for another welcome, and that was nice of the Ghost people to point you to my site. We have a very friendly community of various researchers in this state and all kind of look out for one another, it's a nice atmosphere to work in. You all might also be interested in my other site,
http://www.weirdmichigan.com as it has a story on the Michigan Dogman, very similar and also definitely not Sasquatch.
I'm not surprised that one of the topos doesn't show a marsh. The watershed area doesn't look like a typical marsh so may not be considered that by everyone. And you are also probably right about it using the railroad tracks to get around. I've hiked the one by the Lima Marsh, scene of the last sighting, several times myself. It's much easier than slogging through fields and swamp. Now that, by the way, is a marsh! It's huge, and quite wild. Anything could live in there. The Lima Marsh is a state nature preserve, with a small parking area, and anyone can go in there or walk the tracks, although you have to stay out of the fields the adjoin the other side of the tracks. And the marsh is pretty wet most of the time, though I don't know what the drought has done to it. If you go at night be careful, there are packs of coyotes and feral farm dogs, also cougars have been spotted there.
Marshes in general seem to be a preferred habitat for this creature. It's a scavenger, from all indications, although it's been spotted watching and chasing down deer on several occasions. I had a report of one in NJ seen carrying a deer out of a woods. The wolfman/dogman, though, is smaller and not nearly so robust as the Bigfoot, especially in the legs. And it has long claws on both its "hands" and its feet, which show up in the tracks.
Lately I've been playing with the idea that this is a more evolved version of the dire wolf, which was supposedly wiped out in the last ice age. It would have had to become bipedal, but stranger things have happened.
Linda
QUOTE(lindagodfrey @ Jul 15 2005, 11:26 PM)
Hey Bill, Mountain Lady and all,
Thanks for the nice welcome. I'll try to answer both of you here. First, what I'm writing now on Bigfoot is for a chapter in the book Weird Michigan which will come out late next spring from Barnes & Noble. There is a weird series, you can go to barnesandnoble.com and search for Weird to find it. Lots of Bigfoot in that state, going way back. I study the Sasquatch/Bigfoot mainly to help distinguish it from "Beast" type sightings...strange to think we have both but we do, and not just in the midwest. Oddly, cougar and black panther sightings seem to follow in the same areas. I have a cougar page on my site.
Yes Bill there are still Sasquatch sightings in my area as recently as ten years ago that I know of. The last one was in Honey Creek on the far east side of Walworth County and was seen by a man and a woman at the same time. Definitely Bigfoot and not Wolfman. There may be a few others where people didn't have a good enough look at the head to be sure. But we have BHM's (big hairy monsters) aplenty.
The new Beast of Bray Road book, Hunting the American Werewolf, will be out in April of 2006 but my deadline is Nov. 1. I don't know what the cover will be, the publisher does that and I don't have much input. But it will have a lot of witness sketches of both Beast and Bigfoot, as well as maps and photos of terrain.
Mountain Lady, I do have some reports listed on my website, mostly on the brayupdate page http://www.cnb-scene.com/brayupdate.html but also see the cougar page http://www.cnb-scene.com/cougar.html and some incidentals on the hello page
http://www.cnb-scene.com/hello.html There is also a book page where you can order autographed copies of the books or you can get them on amazon or b&n. I'm trying to remember which page I put the fur photos on, they are rather interesting. I think the hello page.
What got me interested? I was working as a newspaper reporter back in 1991 when the werewolf story came to my attention in Elkhorn, and I wrote it and then all hell broke loose, Inside Edition came out here and it was in papers and on radio and TV all over the country, and it hasn't stopped since. People started coming to me with their stories and I began investigating and collecting in an effort to solve the mystery, and I'm still doing that. We did have an intensive overnight hunt at the site of the most recent sighting, with a bunch of my investigator colleagues, using electronic equipment, motion-detector cams, etc. but came up empty handed. I'd like to put all my information on the web but as I said there are two-books-worth and it's just too much. But as I said, I'll answer what questions I can.
Plans changed and I'm here this evening after all. Great to be chatting.
Linda
Thanks for the nice welcome. I'll try to answer both of you here. First, what I'm writing now on Bigfoot is for a chapter in the book Weird Michigan which will come out late next spring from Barnes & Noble. There is a weird series, you can go to barnesandnoble.com and search for Weird to find it. Lots of Bigfoot in that state, going way back. I study the Sasquatch/Bigfoot mainly to help distinguish it from "Beast" type sightings...strange to think we have both but we do, and not just in the midwest. Oddly, cougar and black panther sightings seem to follow in the same areas. I have a cougar page on my site.
Yes Bill there are still Sasquatch sightings in my area as recently as ten years ago that I know of. The last one was in Honey Creek on the far east side of Walworth County and was seen by a man and a woman at the same time. Definitely Bigfoot and not Wolfman. There may be a few others where people didn't have a good enough look at the head to be sure. But we have BHM's (big hairy monsters) aplenty.
The new Beast of Bray Road book, Hunting the American Werewolf, will be out in April of 2006 but my deadline is Nov. 1. I don't know what the cover will be, the publisher does that and I don't have much input. But it will have a lot of witness sketches of both Beast and Bigfoot, as well as maps and photos of terrain.
Mountain Lady, I do have some reports listed on my website, mostly on the brayupdate page http://www.cnb-scene.com/brayupdate.html but also see the cougar page http://www.cnb-scene.com/cougar.html and some incidentals on the hello page
http://www.cnb-scene.com/hello.html There is also a book page where you can order autographed copies of the books or you can get them on amazon or b&n. I'm trying to remember which page I put the fur photos on, they are rather interesting. I think the hello page.
What got me interested? I was working as a newspaper reporter back in 1991 when the werewolf story came to my attention in Elkhorn, and I wrote it and then all hell broke loose, Inside Edition came out here and it was in papers and on radio and TV all over the country, and it hasn't stopped since. People started coming to me with their stories and I began investigating and collecting in an effort to solve the mystery, and I'm still doing that. We did have an intensive overnight hunt at the site of the most recent sighting, with a bunch of my investigator colleagues, using electronic equipment, motion-detector cams, etc. but came up empty handed. I'd like to put all my information on the web but as I said there are two-books-worth and it's just too much. But as I said, I'll answer what questions I can.
Plans changed and I'm here this evening after all. Great to be chatting.
Linda
hi linda thanks so much for replying back to me wow your websites about the bray road beast and sasquatch are very wonderful. im realy looking forward on seeing weird michigan now. are you ever going to offer a free compermentary of 1 of your books im just wondering. do you work with the bfro and other sasquatch organizations. do you have meetings or conferances that you attended on dvd or vhs. do you have a map to keep track of weird animals and sasquatch sightings. thanks bill green
Hi Bill,
You are welcome, I'm glad you like the sites. You asked, will there be complimentary copies of the books? Well, that would be up to the publishers I guess. I only sell them on my website and at conferences to people who want autographed copies, and have to pay store costs myself so unless they get to the point where the publishers are giving them away, I won't be able to, either. In case anyone is wondering, writing books about crypto topics is not the way to instant riches. I have a husband who supports me and I do commercial art and write other kinds of books that pay more, but the Beast books are more a labor of love than anything else. It's just that the market isn't that big. I do feel lucky to have a publisher.
Do I work with BFRO or other organizations? I correspond with some other investigators from other states, and of course am in contact with BFRO and others when I wish permission to reprint info from any of their sites, but I don't work directly with them. I do work with Wisconsin researchers such as Richard Hendricks (www.weird-wi.com), the guys from getghostgear.com, Chad Lewis of unexplainedresearch.com (checkout his archived radio interview with me from last week for some new stories) and a few others. I often participate in Chad's Unexplained Conferences that he holds around the state (the next two are in October in Appleton and Eau Claire) but so far he hasn't made DVD's of them. That's a good idea though and I'll ask him about it. There are other researchers I exchange information with for various projects. You can also read a very good interview at americanmonsters.com that's up right now if you're interested. They asked a lot of good and in-depth questions on the Beast. I'm still waiting to be on Coast to Coast. :-) All of these together will give you a lot more updated information on the creature than you will find at any one place for now.
You are welcome, I'm glad you like the sites. You asked, will there be complimentary copies of the books? Well, that would be up to the publishers I guess. I only sell them on my website and at conferences to people who want autographed copies, and have to pay store costs myself so unless they get to the point where the publishers are giving them away, I won't be able to, either. In case anyone is wondering, writing books about crypto topics is not the way to instant riches. I have a husband who supports me and I do commercial art and write other kinds of books that pay more, but the Beast books are more a labor of love than anything else. It's just that the market isn't that big. I do feel lucky to have a publisher.
Do I work with BFRO or other organizations? I correspond with some other investigators from other states, and of course am in contact with BFRO and others when I wish permission to reprint info from any of their sites, but I don't work directly with them. I do work with Wisconsin researchers such as Richard Hendricks (www.weird-wi.com), the guys from getghostgear.com, Chad Lewis of unexplainedresearch.com (checkout his archived radio interview with me from last week for some new stories) and a few others. I often participate in Chad's Unexplained Conferences that he holds around the state (the next two are in October in Appleton and Eau Claire) but so far he hasn't made DVD's of them. That's a good idea though and I'll ask him about it. There are other researchers I exchange information with for various projects. You can also read a very good interview at americanmonsters.com that's up right now if you're interested. They asked a lot of good and in-depth questions on the Beast. I'm still waiting to be on Coast to Coast. :-) All of these together will give you a lot more updated information on the creature than you will find at any one place for now.
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Entertaining read..
http://www.prairieghosts.com/brayrd.html
http://www.prairieghosts.com/brayrd.html
Interesting indeed! I've read a great deal of the article and I've saved the site under favorites to look at later when I have more time. Thank you!
I'm so happy you've joined the forum here! Welcome, welcome, welcome!! I am native to the area and bought your first book because I was very familiar with 'the beast' stories out of that area. You did a nice job of researching for that book. I look forward to your second. I have family near Lugerville, so I'm actually more interested in the bigfoot sightings from that area. Thanks for coming to this forum to answer questions, there are plenty.
Hi Linda! Let me welcome you also. We have another active thread going on regarding werewolf and I have referred them to this thread. I've known of you for quite some time but was only aware that you were a reporter who had checked out this creature. You've apparently gone a long way since then. I'm from Minnesota and am always looking for more info for Minnesota as well as Wisconsin. When you hear someone in Minnesota saying they're going "up North" for the week-end that usually means Wisconsin. There are many who have jobs in Minnesota but live in Wisconsin and there is definitely a good reason for that. Wisconsin is a beautiful state. Again, welcome!
Hey I think my ears were ringing.....yeah Moregon that was me!:) There is an area NE of Bray Rd. about 12 miles or more around Eaglesville/Mukwonago that has many lakes and swamp area that this creature....whatever is was that went through this area just as a path to somewere esle I would guess. There was a sighting west of there, west of Delavan in the Turtle Creek Wildlife area....crap I can't remember what year, but my guess is that the same creature also went through this area too. My thinking is that they won't still be in that area, not enough tree cover to stay there, but the food sources are there, just not the deer or fish you might expect in the northwoods. The sightings are so spread out if you look at a map of WI with all the sightings marked it is hard to believe that there are that many running around the state. I have around 40 sightings listed and that is just the ones that I know of!! I am sure that there is more. They must travel and migrate around from different areas.
Sail
Sail
Sailgirl! Lucky you for living in Wisconsin! What a beautiful state. I can't say I would want to experience some of your creatures there though. :willies:
Hey everyone,
A few more comments, first on:
<<There is an area NE of Bray Rd. about 12 miles or more around Eaglesville/Mukwonago that has many lakes and swamp area that this creature....whatever is was that went through this area just as a path to somewere esle I would guess. There was a sighting west of there, west of Delavan in the Turtle Creek Wildlife area....crap I can't remember what year>>
I think you are talking about the southern unit of the Kettle Moraine Forest which runs from about Palmyra up past Eagle to Dousman. This area seems to be sort of an epicenter, and while it is wound with trail paths, there is a lot of dense thicket between the trails that no one ever goes into. The sighting west of Delavan was actually a Bigfoot sighting rather than a Wolfman, I've interviewed the man several times and he is pretty clear in his description. It happened in 1964. I included it in my first book because of its proximity to the other sightings. And there are as many if not more deer around here than the northwoods. I live near the Kettle Moraine myself, and can assure you they are very numerous, enough to support large populations of coyotes. Also lots of raccoon, possum, etc. which the creature is often spotted collecting as roadkill. I do think it's logical to expect that this creature, like any large carnivore, roams over large tracts of land.
Laurie wrote: << I've known of you for quite some time but was only aware that you were a reporter who had checked out this creature. You've apparently gone a long way since then. >>
LOL! I certainly have learned a lot since that first story, it's funny because at the time, I didn't even know what a cryptozoologist was! I certainly never expected to become the "go-to" person for the networks when they need a werewolf consultant. Life can be strange.
From Just Curious << I am native to the area and bought your first book because I was very familiar with 'the beast' stories out of that area. You did a nice job of researching for that book. I look forward to your second. I have family near Lugerville, so I'm actually more interested in the bigfoot sightings from that area. >> Thanks for the welcome and comments! I'm familiar with the Lugerville sighting, in fact I had written a segment called Lugerville: Ghost town with a Bigfoot that got cut out of the Weird Wisconsin book (I have family in nearby Phillips). The story is on my Features page, http://www.cnb-scene.com/features.html
Again, I really appreciate all the warm welcomes.
Linda
A few more comments, first on:
<<There is an area NE of Bray Rd. about 12 miles or more around Eaglesville/Mukwonago that has many lakes and swamp area that this creature....whatever is was that went through this area just as a path to somewere esle I would guess. There was a sighting west of there, west of Delavan in the Turtle Creek Wildlife area....crap I can't remember what year>>
I think you are talking about the southern unit of the Kettle Moraine Forest which runs from about Palmyra up past Eagle to Dousman. This area seems to be sort of an epicenter, and while it is wound with trail paths, there is a lot of dense thicket between the trails that no one ever goes into. The sighting west of Delavan was actually a Bigfoot sighting rather than a Wolfman, I've interviewed the man several times and he is pretty clear in his description. It happened in 1964. I included it in my first book because of its proximity to the other sightings. And there are as many if not more deer around here than the northwoods. I live near the Kettle Moraine myself, and can assure you they are very numerous, enough to support large populations of coyotes. Also lots of raccoon, possum, etc. which the creature is often spotted collecting as roadkill. I do think it's logical to expect that this creature, like any large carnivore, roams over large tracts of land.
Laurie wrote: << I've known of you for quite some time but was only aware that you were a reporter who had checked out this creature. You've apparently gone a long way since then. >>
LOL! I certainly have learned a lot since that first story, it's funny because at the time, I didn't even know what a cryptozoologist was! I certainly never expected to become the "go-to" person for the networks when they need a werewolf consultant. Life can be strange.
From Just Curious << I am native to the area and bought your first book because I was very familiar with 'the beast' stories out of that area. You did a nice job of researching for that book. I look forward to your second. I have family near Lugerville, so I'm actually more interested in the bigfoot sightings from that area. >> Thanks for the welcome and comments! I'm familiar with the Lugerville sighting, in fact I had written a segment called Lugerville: Ghost town with a Bigfoot that got cut out of the Weird Wisconsin book (I have family in nearby Phillips). The story is on my Features page, http://www.cnb-scene.com/features.html
Again, I really appreciate all the warm welcomes.
Linda
hi linda good afternoon do you have plans on going any trips or expeditions today or tommarrow look for evidence etc. are you ever thinking about doing a documentary about the bray road beast or the wisconsin sasquatch. do you get emails from people almost everyday claiming to have encountered the creatures. please keep me posted. bill
Hi Bill and all,
Can't say I have any expeditions planned for this weekend. I really don't spend a lot of time in the field, just when it seems there might be something promising. Otherwise I'd be chasing all over the place since there is no telling where it will turn up next. Also it takes most of my time just to interview and write up other people's experiences. I'd say I get about one email or call a week about sightings, which is pretty amazing. Not all of them pan out but many do.
A lot of TV shows have done short documentaries about the Beast, I've been on 8 or 9 for everything from Inside Edition to the SCI FI Channel, AMC, Discovery Kids and more. One from the Travel Channel was just replaying recently. Also two different shows on Animal Planet, one in the recent Animal X series in the one about lizard people. A National Geographic production team is coming here in August, and I also did an interview for a wolfman documentary for Canada's Global TV Network, for a show called Northern Mysteries. I'm not a film maker myself, so I'm content to let others do that.
I have to say it's too hot out here for man or Bigfoot or Wolfman today, anyway.
Linda
Can't say I have any expeditions planned for this weekend. I really don't spend a lot of time in the field, just when it seems there might be something promising. Otherwise I'd be chasing all over the place since there is no telling where it will turn up next. Also it takes most of my time just to interview and write up other people's experiences. I'd say I get about one email or call a week about sightings, which is pretty amazing. Not all of them pan out but many do.
A lot of TV shows have done short documentaries about the Beast, I've been on 8 or 9 for everything from Inside Edition to the SCI FI Channel, AMC, Discovery Kids and more. One from the Travel Channel was just replaying recently. Also two different shows on Animal Planet, one in the recent Animal X series in the one about lizard people. A National Geographic production team is coming here in August, and I also did an interview for a wolfman documentary for Canada's Global TV Network, for a show called Northern Mysteries. I'm not a film maker myself, so I'm content to let others do that.
I have to say it's too hot out here for man or Bigfoot or Wolfman today, anyway.
Linda
Hey Linda! And I thought you guys always had cooler weather then we do here in Minnesota. 
I wish! It's like a sauna here. Which makes me wonder about our woodsy friends who live in their permanent fur suits. Can Bigfoot sweat like a human to cool himself off beneath that fur? Or does the fur act like an insulator from the heat? And since the Wolfman and Dogman creatures are so canine, do they have to lie around and pant like dogs do when it gets hot? Maybe that's one reason they follow water...they need to take a good swim when the weather gets like this.
Or maybe they all just migrate to Canada for the summer and become loup-garou.
Linda
Or maybe they all just migrate to Canada for the summer and become loup-garou.
Linda
hey!
the mention of the kettle-morainne area a few posts back reminds of a really wierd thing i had happen to me up there somewhere. theres no way i can rememebr the exact road intersection though.
i had an encounter with TWO great big hairy critters up there!
here i go, a texas boy out tootling around in the mid spring in sorta north eastern wisconsin, headed for some little town with a big lake that had a new high school being built. i had just taken a call there out of the madison IBEW local and since report date was monday and this was friday afternoon i was in no hurry to get there. had the idea to bum around all weekend, look the country over, maybe catch a really stoopid trout here and there and show up sunday night in the town. had called the only motel in th little town and had reservations for sunday night.
all was right with the world.
so here i go, i decided to take as many dirt roads as i could in a slow paced meander up north of the mentioned area, headed for some streams(hell no i dont remember the names, this was back in 98). i was in absolutely no hurry, runnin along about thirty mph, stoppin a lot to look at maps and to wander up and down the roads to look at fields and stuff.
so im somewhere headed for somewhere and here comes this four way intersection up ahead. if i remember correctly there was actually a stop sign on my side but "arkansas" stops work for me in wisconsin! i was slowed down, preparatory to simply lookin both ways quickly and chuggin on through the intersection, just got my head turning right to see if there was an oncoming car when.........
with shouts and thundering hooves, two humongous draft horses, ridden bareback by two shouting young men blast through the intersection from left to right in front of me!
shirttails flying, butts up in the air, whispy fetlocks flowing, they pounded past right in front of the hood of the car.
it was an amish drag race!!!
no, im serious! they was runing neck and neck!
it startled me badly!
i eased on into the intersection and looked to the right and there they went down the road and there was a gang of folks and some buggys about two hundred yards down there. looked left and there was another gang of folks and buggys about a quarter mile or so up the road.
i got to giggling and chuckled about that all the rest of the day, and all weekend.
still chuckle about it sometimes now.
told ya it was big hairy critters!
ok, this wasnt really a shaggy dog story...
but it was a hairy horse story.
the mention of the kettle-morainne area a few posts back reminds of a really wierd thing i had happen to me up there somewhere. theres no way i can rememebr the exact road intersection though.
i had an encounter with TWO great big hairy critters up there!
here i go, a texas boy out tootling around in the mid spring in sorta north eastern wisconsin, headed for some little town with a big lake that had a new high school being built. i had just taken a call there out of the madison IBEW local and since report date was monday and this was friday afternoon i was in no hurry to get there. had the idea to bum around all weekend, look the country over, maybe catch a really stoopid trout here and there and show up sunday night in the town. had called the only motel in th little town and had reservations for sunday night.
all was right with the world.
so here i go, i decided to take as many dirt roads as i could in a slow paced meander up north of the mentioned area, headed for some streams(hell no i dont remember the names, this was back in 98). i was in absolutely no hurry, runnin along about thirty mph, stoppin a lot to look at maps and to wander up and down the roads to look at fields and stuff.
so im somewhere headed for somewhere and here comes this four way intersection up ahead. if i remember correctly there was actually a stop sign on my side but "arkansas" stops work for me in wisconsin! i was slowed down, preparatory to simply lookin both ways quickly and chuggin on through the intersection, just got my head turning right to see if there was an oncoming car when.........
with shouts and thundering hooves, two humongous draft horses, ridden bareback by two shouting young men blast through the intersection from left to right in front of me!
shirttails flying, butts up in the air, whispy fetlocks flowing, they pounded past right in front of the hood of the car.
it was an amish drag race!!!
no, im serious! they was runing neck and neck!
it startled me badly!
i eased on into the intersection and looked to the right and there they went down the road and there was a gang of folks and some buggys about two hundred yards down there. looked left and there was another gang of folks and buggys about a quarter mile or so up the road.
i got to giggling and chuckled about that all the rest of the day, and all weekend.
still chuckle about it sometimes now.
told ya it was big hairy critters!
ok, this wasnt really a shaggy dog story...
but it was a hairy horse story.
QUOTE(lindagodfrey @ Jul 15 2005, 05:10 PM)
"The wolfman/dogman, though, is smaller and not nearly so robust as the Bigfoot, especially in the legs. And it has long claws on both its "hands" and its feet, which show up in the tracks...."
Linda
Linda
My brain must be working slow this week-end, probably due to the heat and humidity. This is the first I've heard of any tracks being associated with the "Werewolf-like creature". Do you recall how big the tracks were both in length and width? Thanks again.
Hi,
Tracks are mentioned as being seen in my first book, but they were never measured, photographed or cast. In the second book I'll be telling about a woman who found some in her field on Bray Road, and said her size nine "moon boots" fit into the general area they took up. She couldn't identify them as any normal creature, but said they were not humanlike. Most recently, a witness in Georgia was able to not only draw but photograph tracks on the site where he saw the creature. He didn't have a ruler with him (how many average people carry those around) but put his size 11 boot next to them and they measured a little longer than that, from claw points to the bottom mark. They are extremely different than Bigfoot or human prints. They are narrower and differently shaped than bear prints and not plantigrade, either. Not a cougar as they don't walk with claws extended. He faxed me a drawing; I'm waiting for the photos to arrive via snail mail and am pretty excited to see them.
Linda
Tracks are mentioned as being seen in my first book, but they were never measured, photographed or cast. In the second book I'll be telling about a woman who found some in her field on Bray Road, and said her size nine "moon boots" fit into the general area they took up. She couldn't identify them as any normal creature, but said they were not humanlike. Most recently, a witness in Georgia was able to not only draw but photograph tracks on the site where he saw the creature. He didn't have a ruler with him (how many average people carry those around) but put his size 11 boot next to them and they measured a little longer than that, from claw points to the bottom mark. They are extremely different than Bigfoot or human prints. They are narrower and differently shaped than bear prints and not plantigrade, either. Not a cougar as they don't walk with claws extended. He faxed me a drawing; I'm waiting for the photos to arrive via snail mail and am pretty excited to see them.
Linda
Mens shoe sizes in the US are a size 1 equals 7 2/3 inches long (inside area for the foot... isn't the Internet wonderful for finding information like this!) Each size larger is 1/3 inches longer. A size 11 is strange as it works out to also 11 inches long. So we could probably be safe saying the outside dimension of the boot would be around 11 1/2 to 12" depending on type of toe etc. In other words... YIKES!!
Boot Size Specs
You're right, not a lot of "NORMAL" people walk around with rulers in their pocket, however there is a method I use that is easy, and most people, "NORMAL" or otherwise have them in their pockets. Dollar Bills, and the denomination really makes no difference, are approximately 6 inches in length. You can also fold them to find other sizes...
In half = 3"
In quarters = 1 1/2"
In eighths = 3/4"
You can use combinations to give you a pretty good approximation.
The reason I asked is that I've seen wolf tracks before, Gray Wolf of just under 5" in length, and I was wondering how they compared to those. But with that much of a difference, there's no way someone would mistake the two kinds of tracks. Thanks again...
Boot Size Specs
You're right, not a lot of "NORMAL" people walk around with rulers in their pocket, however there is a method I use that is easy, and most people, "NORMAL" or otherwise have them in their pockets. Dollar Bills, and the denomination really makes no difference, are approximately 6 inches in length. You can also fold them to find other sizes...
In half = 3"
In quarters = 1 1/2"
In eighths = 3/4"
You can use combinations to give you a pretty good approximation.
The reason I asked is that I've seen wolf tracks before, Gray Wolf of just under 5" in length, and I was wondering how they compared to those. But with that much of a difference, there's no way someone would mistake the two kinds of tracks. Thanks again...
Hi Moregon,
How handy to have a men's shoe size converter at hand! Actually, about a foot long is what he estimated but not having the notes right in front of me I hesitated to say that. I have piles of Michigan-related material on my desk right now blotting out everything else.
<<<You're right, not a lot of "NORMAL" people walk around with rulers in their pocket, however there is a method I use that is easy, and most people, "NORMAL" or otherwise have them in their pockets. Dollar Bills, and the denomination really makes no difference, are approximately 6 inches in length. You can also fold them to find other sizes... >>>
LOL, you seized on my use of "normal" quite properly. I used it very intentionally. In my world there are two groups of people; those who go about their daily business and lives never expecting (or believing) to see anything out of the ordinary, and so never prepared mentally or physically to take descriptions or measurements when something amazing runs in front of them on a deserted logging road, and those who hope against hope they will see something extraordinary and either carry a camera and pocket ruler and other tools at all times just in case, or who are familiar with using measurement standards like dollar bills, pennies, quarters, etc.
The first group, alas, is by far the norm and thus by definition, "normal."
What I find time and time again is that almost no one ever has the presence of mind to record what they saw in any way, much less know about inserting a measurable comparison into the picture, although a number have drawn sketches for me later.
And you are right, there is no way anyone, especially a seasoned hunter like this guy, would mistake those tracks for anything else.
Thanks for making those sizes clearer!
Linda
How handy to have a men's shoe size converter at hand! Actually, about a foot long is what he estimated but not having the notes right in front of me I hesitated to say that. I have piles of Michigan-related material on my desk right now blotting out everything else.
<<<You're right, not a lot of "NORMAL" people walk around with rulers in their pocket, however there is a method I use that is easy, and most people, "NORMAL" or otherwise have them in their pockets. Dollar Bills, and the denomination really makes no difference, are approximately 6 inches in length. You can also fold them to find other sizes... >>>
LOL, you seized on my use of "normal" quite properly. I used it very intentionally. In my world there are two groups of people; those who go about their daily business and lives never expecting (or believing) to see anything out of the ordinary, and so never prepared mentally or physically to take descriptions or measurements when something amazing runs in front of them on a deserted logging road, and those who hope against hope they will see something extraordinary and either carry a camera and pocket ruler and other tools at all times just in case, or who are familiar with using measurement standards like dollar bills, pennies, quarters, etc.
The first group, alas, is by far the norm and thus by definition, "normal."
What I find time and time again is that almost no one ever has the presence of mind to record what they saw in any way, much less know about inserting a measurable comparison into the picture, although a number have drawn sketches for me later.
And you are right, there is no way anyone, especially a seasoned hunter like this guy, would mistake those tracks for anything else.
Thanks for making those sizes clearer!
Linda
Shaman! What an experience you had in Wisconsin! That would be a noted experience no matter where you are - almost right up there with the big guy himself!
it really WAS funny as hell! i just cannot describe what those two guys on those great big horses looked like.
i never heard of racing draft horses!
i never heard of racing draft horses!
QUOTE(lindagodfrey @ Jul 15 2005, 06:10 PM)
Hi!
Thanks for another welcome, and that was nice of the Ghost people to point you to my site. We have a very friendly community of various researchers in this state and all kind of look out for one another, it's a nice atmosphere to work in. You all might also be interested in my other site,
http://www.weirdmichigan.com as it has a story on the Michigan Dogman, very similar and also definitely not Sasquatch.
I'm not surprised that one of the topos doesn't show a marsh. The watershed area doesn't look like a typical marsh so may not be considered that by everyone. And you are also probably right about it using the railroad tracks to get around. I've hiked the one by the Lima Marsh, scene of the last sighting, several times myself. It's much easier than slogging through fields and swamp. Now that, by the way, is a marsh! It's huge, and quite wild. Anything could live in there. The Lima Marsh is a state nature preserve, with a small parking area, and anyone can go in there or walk the tracks, although you have to stay out of the fields the adjoin the other side of the tracks. And the marsh is pretty wet most of the time, though I don't know what the drought has done to it. If you go at night be careful, there are packs of coyotes and feral farm dogs, also cougars have been spotted there.
Marshes in general seem to be a preferred habitat for this creature. It's a scavenger, from all indications, although it's been spotted watching and chasing down deer on several occasions. I had a report of one in NJ seen carrying a deer out of a woods. The wolfman/dogman, though, is smaller and not nearly so robust as the Bigfoot, especially in the legs. And it has long claws on both its "hands" and its feet, which show up in the tracks.
Lately I've been playing with the idea that this is a more evolved version of the dire wolf, which was supposedly wiped out in the last ice age. It would have had to become bipedal, but stranger things have happened.
Linda
Thanks for another welcome, and that was nice of the Ghost people to point you to my site. We have a very friendly community of various researchers in this state and all kind of look out for one another, it's a nice atmosphere to work in. You all might also be interested in my other site,
http://www.weirdmichigan.com as it has a story on the Michigan Dogman, very similar and also definitely not Sasquatch.
I'm not surprised that one of the topos doesn't show a marsh. The watershed area doesn't look like a typical marsh so may not be considered that by everyone. And you are also probably right about it using the railroad tracks to get around. I've hiked the one by the Lima Marsh, scene of the last sighting, several times myself. It's much easier than slogging through fields and swamp. Now that, by the way, is a marsh! It's huge, and quite wild. Anything could live in there. The Lima Marsh is a state nature preserve, with a small parking area, and anyone can go in there or walk the tracks, although you have to stay out of the fields the adjoin the other side of the tracks. And the marsh is pretty wet most of the time, though I don't know what the drought has done to it. If you go at night be careful, there are packs of coyotes and feral farm dogs, also cougars have been spotted there.
Marshes in general seem to be a preferred habitat for this creature. It's a scavenger, from all indications, although it's been spotted watching and chasing down deer on several occasions. I had a report of one in NJ seen carrying a deer out of a woods. The wolfman/dogman, though, is smaller and not nearly so robust as the Bigfoot, especially in the legs. And it has long claws on both its "hands" and its feet, which show up in the tracks.
Lately I've been playing with the idea that this is a more evolved version of the dire wolf, which was supposedly wiped out in the last ice age. It would have had to become bipedal, but stranger things have happened.
Linda
Um..... no offence but........
Stranger things have happened?
A bipedal wolf?
I am sorry but my parachute won't open for this one.
But I do enjoy this thread & your post
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