Hi, I know it's hard to swallow, it just seems so very unlikely. And yet there are so many unrelated witnesses, in various states, who all describe the same creature. But if a bipedal wolf/canid is entirely impossible, the only other direction to go (besides saying all these people are nuts or really saw a bear or something...the same disclaimer usually made for Bigfoot sightings by hardcore skeptics) is paranormal explanations. There are a few sightings now that seem to involve this element, but the majority do not. I just keep covering what people see, and trying to puzzle them out. It's why I still never say that I know what this thing is...how can anyone at this point?

I'm enjoying everyone's posts, too. BTW I'll be away (sob) from my computer for the rest of the week after today, so please don't think Elvis has left the building permanently. Be back next Monday.

Linda

I have to agree that a wolf getting around in a bipedal mode all the time, is hard to imagine. But what about for short distances/time periods? Maybe it's an inherited anomaly that when spooked or frightened it jumps up on it's hind legs and runs for a short distance before dropping down on all fours to complete it's get-a-way.

After all, there are lizards, which are usually thought to be quadrapedal that do run in a bipedal mode, and that to me is strange too.

I can handle what your saying here-- more than the thought of a wolf like animal walking around like a Bigfoot. I guess my mind keeps going back to the old wearwolf movies!! I just can't see that. But I am sure people are seeing something! It's an interesting subject for sure.

I could see there being a huge wolf or something. But the idea of werewolf creatures is hard for me to get around.

Just my 2 cents Lex

I don't think all these people are nuts really. I am sure they are seeing something--but you are right -it is hard to swallow But I know Bigfoot is hard for many people to swallow as well. I think this is all very interesting because I have never heard of such a thing.


Do they howl at the moon?? Just Kidding

Lex

Hi Linda,
I readed your book THE BREAST OF BRAY ROAD several times and I will plan to get your second book in April of 2006. I hope that new book would be more pages, more pictures and maps! Loren Coleman suggest that theres 9 classification system and I felt that the breast around Bray Road probably belong to Giant Monkey. Their face are often decribed as being doglike or baboonlike, with dark piercing eyes and pointed ears. More details can be found in Loren Coleman's The Field Guide to Bigfoot, Yeti, and Other Mystery Primates Worldwide. I also think some kind of creatures and sasquatches might be walking in the U.P. Michigan. Good area to check out would be back of the Bond Falls Flowage and swamps. MY son heard some kind like a man running in the woods when we walked farther north to get closer to look at the mystery light. We cant be sure what is it but we cant explain that how a human can run in the heavy woods at night. No one around us except about a mile away where several people parked their cars to look at the mystery light. Keep up good work!
John

It's BEAST.............. BEAST.....

It's --Beast of bray road.

Hi John and all,
Hey, thanks for reading my book! I don't know for sure if I'll get more pages in the next one, that is partly up to the publisher, but I can tell you for sure there are more (and more amazing) encounter stories than in the first one, including more from other states, there will be more witness sketches, as many more maps as I can convince the publisher to use, and I am spending more time describing the terrain of each sighting place this time, including any other known strange events or sightings in the area. I will have an updated sightings list that will include all those from the first book, too.

I have that book of Loren's but I'm not sure this creature fits into any of his classifications. It is still different than any of the monkey types...the leg musculature and footprint are not of a primate, and the snout is different from a baboon's, although as you know I consider that baboon possibility in my first book. Except for those witnesses who are clear that it's a Bigfoot type creature, which is a completely different animal, all of them insist that the head is either like a wolf or German shepherd. I have also gotten a couple of comparisons to Anubis with the jackal head, mostly because of the pointed ears. Again, I know it flies in the face of what we think we know about animals but there it is. Most of the witnesses do not believe it is a transforming, Lon Chaney type of werewolf, they just don't know what else to call it although I believe Wolf Man or Dog Man are more accurate. Of course the publisher loves to use the word "werewolf" in the title.

You're right about the creatures in Michigan. I just finished writing that chapter for the Weird Michigan book and the Sasqatch section is particularly long. No way I could get all the sightings in. Luckily I have a correspondent in Mt. Pleasant who has been clipping newspaper articles for years and sent me copies of all. I was recently at the Paulding mystery lights, too, and I did see a dark-furred large creature...a bear crossed the road while everyone was watching the lights and gave everyone a good scare! Those lights of course are another big section in Weird MI.

BTW, the drag-racing Amish story was very funny. We hear stories in Wisconsin about the young guys running amok too.

One other thing I'll address quickly is the notion of lizard-like occasional bipedalism. That is possible, and in fact a number of witnesses have seen the thing run both on two legs and all fours, some just on all fours, but most see it running distances on two legs, or encounter it standing or sauntering along that way as if it's the normal mode. It's one thing that freaks people out so much, especially since the legs are not jointed like a primate's. However there is an antelope-type critter called the gerenuk that can stand on its hind legs for quite a while for feeding purposes, I use a pic of it in my slide shows at conferences. But it doesn't run around that way. There just is no good comparison because it's unheard of in zoology as we know it. (The key phrase being, "as we know it.")

Linda

Linda, can you post any of the sketches?

Edited to add -I am going to have to check into your books.

Knew my ears were ringing too!!!! Saily, Moregon

Belated greatings Linda to the BFF. I too have enjoyed reading your book with great interested because I have friends that live in the Elkhorn-Fontana area and frequently drive through the area on my way to our vegtable plant in Darien.

You mentioned the Wierd Wisconsin conference in Appleton this fall. Any idea of when in October???? Both Sailgirl and I live close to Appleton and would probably love to do some one on one discussion if you plan on attending this year.

One observation about Bray Road the areas surrounding it. For as densely populated as the SE part of the WI is, when you get a short distance away from the larger cities, the population in the rural areas is actually quite sparse. Most of the farms in the WI/ILL border lands tend to be much larger than further north so the number of people in a given area is actually quite small. With the Kettle Moraine only a short distance, I've often wondered if the encounters on Bray Road were from a creature moving too and from less populated areas to the north and south. Just a thought.

Thank you for posting on the forum!!!

Scott

i was driving back from galveston while ago and i suddenly remembered another funny that happened that same day, maybe 20 or so miles from the horses.

i top out a little rise, going really slow,cause its down to only one lane and meeting a car barreling over that little hill woulda been a bad thing.

is two kiddos, bout ten or so, walking along the road barefooted. they got their britches held up with suspenders on, and checked shirts and their cool lookin straw hats, amish, or maybe mennonites?

slung over their shoulders each was totin a pair of fancy lookin roller blades, they both turned and waved as i went by.

while i had never forgotten the horse race i witnessed, the little boys with their roller blades i have not thought of in a long time.

the country everywhere i went was awesome in wisconsin, ah, except for milwaukee, and gosh, ALL bigger cities just plain suck!

i do remember this fantastic looking cathedral up on top of a big hill up north of milwaukee though, that is simply a beautiful sight.

oh hey, i caught some trout that weekend too.

Hi All,
Thanks Scott for the welcome, and you are likely right about Bray Road being a pass-thru area. Again, fits with my theory of it living in the Kettle Moraine and making long forays out into the surrounding counties. The Conference in Appleton is October 15, and in Eau Claire on the 29th. I'll have more info on my appearances page as the time nears.

Regarding posting witness sketches, I think I have some on my web pages, I keep changing them and don't like to put too many up because I find they get pilfered to other sites. Maybe when I get back I can make a private page to put some on. They vary according to artistic ability of course. There is a good one in the Weird Wisconsin book, if any of you are near a Barnes & Noble you could go look at it. And of course some in the first Beast book. My drawing of the Indigenous Dog Man in that book is the one most witnesses agree is "it."

I'll be back online next Monday. Have a great week everyone.

Linda

hi linda good evening you should show your book covers in this thread this way people here know what they look like. maybe other wisconsin sasquatch researchers here can help you out find more info about the bray road beast or wisconsin sasquatch creatures only time will tell. it would be great to see eyewittnesses sketches of the bray road beast and wisconsin sasquatch as well becouse it would help us with our sasquatch research. thanks bill green

I'm not buying it ither.... The thought is wayyyyyyyyyyy out there. It's almost
like given certain people a clean bill of heath. People are seeing something no doubt.
But a wolf walking two legged.... Ah, no.

Belle

eh? upright wolf?

Yep, believe it or not there are other things in the world besides bigfoot and luckily others are researching that. The only reason people seem to be surprised by this is because the first thing they might think of is "werewolf" and this is not what this creature is. Just like bigfoot - no one knows what it is but it has been going on for a long time. Just like bigfoot gets it's name from their big feet - this creature gets it's name by having a wolf, dog-like snout. Get "werewolf" out of your mind. That is NOT what it is. Linda is on her second book and is trying to inform everyone here because there are others with questions.

Why not, some think sasquatch is an upright ape. If an ape can be bipedal, then so can cats, dogs, and hogs.

Equal rights to all 4 legged animals, that's what I say. Now excuse me while I go shoot some hoops with my pooch, that bitch can block shots right back in your face. :blacknblue:

LaurieB2851 there is another creature being reported further north that is being called the "Bearwolf". People that see this one claim it has the head of a wolf and body of a bear. The appearance seems somewhat similar, however the bearwolf, as far as I know, has only been reported as being seen on all fours, no claims of bipedalism yet. If I'm wrong I'm sure Ms. Godrey will correct this on her return.

Although bigfoot is my primary interest, now that I'm back in the Wisconsin-Illinois Stateline area the majority of bigfoot sightings have been some distances away. On the other hand the Bray Road Beast as well as similar creatures have been popping up all around me, with some sightings being less than 20 miles away. So as an effort to keep what skills I do have, I'm looking into this as well until I can get to those areas with claimed bigfoot sightings.

ah, four pages into this thread your reply could be taken as somewhat sarcastic.

i choose not to.

ive read the thread, posted two off topic stories to it. if that offended anyone, my apologies. it was just in somewhat the same area of wisconsin i think.

the upright wolf pic, is titled upright wolf. i find the pic fascinating. the artist put a look in the eyes that is chilling and the stance is powerful.

books i read years and years ago, "heiro's journey" and "unforsaken heiro" deals with dawning intelligence in woodland animals. not vocal, mind you, but in the books man himself has begun to understand a bit about telepathy. he finds he can communicate with some animals in an intelligent fashion.

these books are set in the far far future, so far that the remains of cities are crumbling mounds of dirt.

they are whapping good tales and i mention em here because in them, beavers are thought to be much more intelligent than they show, and in the book it is discovered that bears actually have a form of government.

even heiros trusty steed, a bull morse(dont ask me, a mutated moose i guess) eventually learns to speak mentally to hiero.

heiro himself is a strange mixture of catholocism, shamanism, and just plain witch.
he is a far descendent of the cree people, central and northern canada being one of the few areas little affected by the far off in the past collapse of modern society.

his primary weapon on his adventure is a precious ancient big bore single shot weapon which can shoot a variety of different charges. when described in detail one realizes is must be a modified m-79 grenade launcher. his main blade, ancient also, bears enigmatic letters that spell out USMC and BOLO.

ok, im hijacking again.

carry on.

Good Luck!



Belle

Not meant as sarcastic by any means. I just wanted people to know that we wern't talking the werewolf we've all seen in the movies.

I don't have a problem with your earlier postings. Heck, I figure I responded in a pretty positive manner. I took it in the light in which you meant it.

Edited by Laurie:

I've read my post again - yep I sounded a little not too friendly - didn't mean it that way though.

understood, carry on.

im just sittin here watching the cool of the evening coming on, all laid back and fulla fantastic beef stew with a fresh cuppa coffee with cinnamon hazlenut creamer.

why do i drink foo-foo coffee?

cause im big enough aint nobody gonna stop me.

they dare not titter at my pink tights either.

not worth it.

also not worth it

I don't know what I'd do with all of those reports being made around me. On one hand, twenty miles away might seem a safe distance from you - but you have to remember how much ground can be covered walking and how fast. I can walk a mile in about 10-12 minutes. Something with a larger stride and more stamina then myself can sure as heck cover ground a heck of a lot faster then I can. So I don't think I would necessarily feel like 20 miles is going to give me any comfort level. Sounds pretty close to me! If I lived in my own house in Wisconsin though, I would install security cameras all sides of my house. We have that setup around our house right now. I figure everyone needs an area to call their own and to feel safe. We don't have to worry about any critters other then the very occassional deer, raccoons, rabbits, etc., but I can tell you if there is a person out there with any bad intent they're either going to leave the field of light our security lights give off, or I'm going to see them soon enough if they don't. When those lights go off, I usually look and know it's likely one of those little creatures, but I can tell you right now if a bigfoot's face walked up and filled the size of the window I'm trying to look out - it will be the most unexpected event ever at our house. I will wake the whole neighborhood - that I can guarantee!

When you work, it's difficult to get out there to do any research. If we were to get involved in any activities like that, we would have to drive from the Twin Cities way up past Duluth before approaching possible sasquatch territory. We usually stay around Two Harbors at a cabin without a phone and there have been some bigfoot sightings close by. Since reading about the area's sightings I don't like that idea much - but then if anything approached the cabin and we didn't have a phone I think I would simply set off our car horn and lights and maybe that would scare whatever away.

Tell me, do you hear of a lot more sightings then what appears within some of the databases on-line? I've always felt that would be the case. Not everyone has a computer and not everyone reports what they've seen. In your case, I would sure appreciate hearing about what is in my area. You don't see many sightings on-line for Minnesota - but I've been told that there are actually sightings all over Minnesota. I was told of a case where a gentleman attended a bigfoot conference just to tell someone about his experience. Apparently, the sighting took place at a cabin. The gentleman had left the cabin to go do some stuff, and while he was gone his wife was washing dishes and looking out the window at the same time. All of a sudden a face as big as the window appeared and was watching her. By the time her hubby got back she was curled in the middle of their living room in a fetal position. It was some time before she calmed down enough to tell him what had happened.

It's easy to be skeptical of someone else's sighting as long as you're not the one having it isn't it?

Edited by Laurie: Ah! Hope you got a little relief from the hot weather like we did here in Minnesota. I hear it's going to get hot again though. Darn!

Not so much here yet, since I've only been back in this area for about a month now. When I was in Oregon, I did hear about a number of sightings that have not appeared in any of the databases online. I think the reasons why is varied, other than the fact that some people don't have computers, or the Interenet. Some don't want to report it because they are afraid of what others will think of them. Some would just as soon forget it, than relive it. Some, even though they may have seen, heard or smelled something simply refuse to believe it. And then there's those that shrug it off as someone else trying to play a joke on them.

I think one of the reasons I heard about other sightings is that I let others know that I was interested in the subject. I also think it's important that when someone contacts you, treat them with the utmost respect. Even if their tale sounds silly, or is hard to believe don't ridicule them for that. Somewhere down the line that person may have contact with someone who has had a more plausible experience, and odds are your name will come up, and you will be contacted. I'm sure that many who have a sighting, especially if it's close, develop at least a mild case of shock. When they regain their wits, they thirst for answers, or at least possible theories about what they experienced. Being a good listener, without being judgemental, boosts you to the top of the list as someone who can be trusted, and the word does get around.

Chronic, your statement above makes me giggle a little. One time when we had the kitties declawed they were sitting up like rabbits do when they're looking at something. I've heard of people mention "cabbits" (supposively part rabbit part cat) and that thought was on my mind at the time, although I would never seriously consider that possibility. I couldn't get over how they were sitting up like rabbits do though and they look so cute when they do it. I'm sure the reason they were doing it was because their front paws were a bit sore from being declawed. I hate doing that to our kitties, but our arms get pretty polka-dotted with little red areas from their claws. With our youngest cat, when we first got her - our head and face was the only thing she was interacting with. (She didn't care about the rest.) When she would want to have contact with you she would begin at your ankle and climb up to your shoulder - Ouch and ouch! She must have figured the part before she would reach your head was a tree or something.

I can sure understand the shock that would occur from the sighting. I recall a bigfoot sighting where the individual was forever changed after. He was so frightened he wouldn't even walk across the street - he would drive. He also wouldn't go hunting anymore. It completely rocked his world and completely changed his life (not to the positive).

I don't come across many people who hunt or get out into the woods. It sure would be neat to hear some first-hand reports. Those interested in the subject are starved for information. We sure could use something new on TV. They keep running the same stuff over and over. Until we got Tivo we missed a lot of what there is. When we get up to Lake Superior I've never before actually listened to any of the sounds (or rather never questioned what we did hear). Next time we go up to Two Harbors I'm going to be paying more attention. I think we've heard tree-knocking sounds before but never questioned it. I don't know what the heck I thought the noise was????

A BEAR WOLF????????????? Good Lord what next??

I am sorry but ........... I just don't think so.

I think I have an open mind but.........The head of a wolf & the body of a bear??

Thats just crazy!!!

What?????????

Again what?????????????????

And just think - there might be a whole lot more crazy things in this world we don't know about. Think of all the descriptions of bigfoot. It's mind-boggling.

Well, I have to agree w/ ya on that but.............. a Bear wolf?


Edited to add- I can get my mind around Bigfoot & can even open my mind to the idea of a very large wolf maybe getting up on its hind legs sometimes (not bipedal). But the idea of two different animals merged into one & bipedal? Yeah- that would boggle the mind some.


Anyways............... Just my 2 cents.

Kidding aside, you really do have to wonder what's going on out there if creatures like this exist. With chemicals that exist in the world today has it caused mutations we can't even begin to imagine? It's sounds like a horror story! Even with today's laws existing to assure proper disposal of dangerous chemicals, there is still dumping going on as much as we'd like to think there isn't. Every once and awhile someone uncovers a real live chemical nightmare. Not saying this would be the cause - but you sure have to wonder. Near our house we have four-eared rabbits and they're spreading in the neighborhood. What would that be caused from? Occasionally you hear of mutations in frogs. There are birth defects that occur in the human race. It wouldn't be the first time no consideration was given as to what chemicals were being used and their effect on nature until it was almost too late. Think about abestos (think I spelled that right). I have a girlfriend whose husband was exposed to abestos for years and it's almost guaranteed he will get lung cancer. My girlfriend used to shake all the dust (abestos) out of his clothes when she would do the wash. Scarey! I don't know if I have total confidence in mankind to check things out properly before they're used in everyday life anymore.

Edited by Laurie to add last sentence.

Mother nature likes to play, not excluding chems or radiation ect. But, from fossil records and the like, various forms are used and reused with small and large changes. The sabre tooth tiger is a good example, having went extinct and returned 9 different times with different adaptions. Also, look at the number of human and human like (don't remember the scientific terms for them) variations that have appeared.

As for cross breeding... that is a real strecth, however in the 50's (think it was the 50's) experimentation was going on where the protective layer around eggs was distroyed that allowed sperm from unrelated animals to fertilize eggs. If I remember correctly no viable animal was brought forth. But, there was one or two freak show specimens that made it to the midways.

Also, I think there is way more out there then we even have an idea about, I agree these people are seeing something, what is the question.

And Wisconsin is full of things to look for. I saw a snapping turtle that was close to 3 feet across (not length) the shell, while scuba diving in the 70's... would love to see that again with a camera handy.

I edited it because it is not worth the effort....
The "why NOT a bipedal wolf" mentality is apparently well established...and no ammount of logic will likely change that.
No doubt that chemicals and radiation can enhance mutations..but the level being discussed here is right out of Dr. Moreu...not the real world.
I am not saying that something is not being seen..it's a big world out there..
But IF something is being seen, it as least would have some precedent in nature...pretty much every crypto that has the honest possibility of existing, does.
Bipedal dogs don't.

I have to agree with nightwing, up to a point. I had a dog that hated the snow, and when I'd take him out to do his duty, he hated to get all four of his paws in to the snow and cold and wet. So he would walk in bipedal mode, unfortunately it doesn't help the theory of a wolf walking in a bipedal fashion, since my dog actually walked on his front paws with his tail up in the air. It was only for short distances, say up to around 30 feet, but that's still quite a bit for a little pomeranian. I think most of those who have seen these "Werewolves" walking in a bipedal mode, have reported their eyes being quite a distance above the ground so it would have to be on it's hind legs. Any dog I've ever seen trying to walk in a bipedal fashion, seems to do so more in a hopping fashion, rather than putting one foot in front of the other.

Now, what if it's ability to walk in a bipedal mode is NOT from an evolutionary development. Nor from any sort of chemical or pollution created mutation. What if it's the result of, an accident. The reason I bring this up is that several of the areas it's been seen is criss-crossed with railroad tracks, as well as some areas being known as areas where people set traps for furbearing animals. What if, it's lost both rear paws due to an accident such as a train running over his hind legs while crossing the tracks, or if it were caught in a trap and chewed it's own hind paws of in an effort to free itself? Would a wolf, if lucky enough to survive the shock of either of these occurences, still continue to walk around on all fours or would it adapt to another mode to allow it to still get around? Would it be possible for it to walk, say in a shuffling manner, on the back of it's lower legs if it didn't have any rear paws?

Just food for thought...

Again I shall say a "creature" with a "snout" like a "wolf or dog" - It's not possible to catagorize any unknown under any particular species so your concern that anyone is trying to say there is a bipedal wolf is unwarranted. "Wolf" is used as a verbal description only. No one knows if it's a wolf or not - no one. It's "wolf-like" in appearance - big difference. What do you think it should be called? It's got to be called something that refers to the appearance of the creature so people can name what they've seen? Same goes with Bigfoot - they have big feet. What would you name them?

The author of the book said she is considering that it's a bipedaly evolved dire wolf.
You yourself tossed out the Dr. Moreu theory(paraphrased, of course), to explain how that could happen.
Both are pretty clearly leaning toward the idea of a bipedal canid.
But beyond that..there is the bigger question of it being a bipedal anything, with a long wolf LIKE face...
No more precedent for that then a bipedal dog.
The most I give this is a very slight chance of being a badly mistaken bear, at this point...it's about the only thing that can go on two legs, and has a snout.
That, or there are a bunch of rogue fanged kangaroos running around.

You had yourself one adorable little dog!

I did, or who did?

I am glad you went ahead & posted. What you said here is what I am thinking but...... you said it just a tad bit better.

I hear what all you guys are saying but it just defies(sp?) the laws of nature. Thats the only way I know how to say it. It crosses a line..........

Ok....... I have said enough because I don't know how to express it any better!!

Lex

Bipedal Dog Link

Here's a link to a Bipedal dog site, her name is Faith. She's not bipedal due to a natural evolutionary development, but due to an accident (birth defect) as I suggested as a possibility.

This does not confirm that there is a "werewolf" or even a regular walking around out there as a biped, simply an example that biped canines may not be as farfetched as some believe.

Maybe... but that doesn't explain the huge size... I mean 6 to 7 feet, sometimes 8 foot tall...?
I doubt that!

I believe the worlds record for a dog standing on it's hind legs is around 7'4" and was an Irish Wolfhound... will double check on that information and correct if need be.

Found all kinds of sites saying that the Irish Wolfhound was the tallest breed, and Great Dane second, but no mention of how tall they are other than 7'+ when standing on the hind legs. However I did find a picture of a Great Dane over 7' tall when standing on it's hind legs..

7'+ Great Dane

Something else just struck me that is interesting... In the story about "Faith" the bipedal dog, it's mentioned that she was born with only 1 front leg, and that leg was actually backwards. Being backwards if she laid down her paw would be facing upwards.

At this website Bray Road Beast Sightings the sighting from 12/29/91 the witness specifically says, "a kneeling beast, its paws turned upward"

Could it be, IF it actually exists, that the "Bray Road Beast" is nothing more than a gray wolf that was born with a similar birth defect as Faith has? Having at least partial use of it's front paws, I would think it would easier to push itself up into a bipedal position and wouldn't need the training that Faith evidently did.

However, this is all speculative until something is actually discovered, but it seems to me now, that it could be a possibility.

(Bold lettering) That sighting occured at night, besides it stated claws. Not paws
But Anywhooooo, That's still an awful lot of speculation as you stated. I can understand if the beast hopped away... but the reports states it walks away or some have it running away....









I think this is describing a huge dog. As there are as we all know, large breed of dogs. Who says it can't be from two mixed breeds? But that confuses me with huge foot prints.... But that puts us at a stale mate of sorts... it's takes away the paws from you, but adds them to me...


This here says it all.... I think the reports are of a sasquatch. When people hear of this kind of reporting, most of the weirdos come to life.


belle

I think it's something in the cheese!

Belle did you happen to visit her update page and read about the March 9, 2005 sighting near the Lima Marsh? The witness did not see it's head clearly, so as of right now it's up in the air whether it's the same thing as the "Bray Road Beast" or possibly a bigfoot that was estimated only to be 6' tall.

Since Ms. Godfrey is watching this thread when possible, I have a few questions that have arisen since my visit into that area today, that maybe she can answer.

1. On the update page you said the 32 Acre Lima Marsh, did you mean Lima Swamp? The Lima Marsh itself is actually a large portion of land that runs on the North side of 59. The publicly owned area is reported to be just over 1,500 acres by the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources. I know the actual "Swamp" portion is only a small area of that large parcel, and located between Milton and Lima Center.

2. When you said you walked the railroad tracks, were you talking about the portion that runs from Lima Center Road towards County KK?

3. I was curious if the sighting was near the eastern edge of the swamp, by the furthest east intersection of Salisbury Road and 59. Salisbury and 59 run parellel to each other for a few miles. Near the eastern edge, there is Otter Creek that is the end of the Lima Marsh area. Less than a half mile south of there, is another creek on the south side of 59. This creek flows into a network of creeks that also link up Sugar Creek, just north of Bray Road, Kettle Morraine State Forest, and another creek that ends up just east of Sharon where there was also a reported sighting.

I parked in the public area on Willow Drive and walked a ways in from there. I'll say one thing, I'm glad I'm taller than 5' the dang grasses etc were at least that tall. Then sometimes I'd be walking (if you could call it walking, it was more like dragging my legs through all the vegetation, it's THICK out there)along and step into a hole a foot or so deep and the weeds were over my head. The area does look promising to have something out there, plenty of vegetation, plenty of wildlife, plenty of water, plenty of thick dense woods.

Now, there was one more thing I found interesting out there, and that is posted below as another question... actually sort of strange...

In the far Northwest section of the Lima Marsh Area, intersecting to the west off of County Hwy KK I came across this road. Now my question is....

Coincidence?
Synchronicity?
Destiny?

Here's a thought that a friend of mine had:





Interesting thought!

Laurie