Paul1968UK
Jun 29 2005, 02:12 PM
Yeah - We are asking you guys for money again, but it isn't for the forum.
As you know - the Orang-utan is very close to extinction, through poaching and illegal logging - something made worse by last year's tsunami.
The Orangutan Foundation International provides guards to patrol the Tanjung Puting National Park against these poachers and loggers - it costs $560 (US) per day to pay for these guards, their equipment, transport etc.
With a bit of effort, the good people of this forum can raise enough money to pay for a patrol for one day - We have set 31st December 2005 as the 'Bigfootforums.com Day'
We have set up a paypal account - all you guys need to do is donate a few dollars - anything will help.
Between now and then, we will keep you guys updated as to where the fund is up to.
Everyone here spends so much time talking about a primate that may or may not exist - lets try and save one that won't exist in ten years time unless we do something to help.
Donate HereQUOTE
www.orangutan.orgProject "560"The OFI is issuing a call to schoolchildren, classrooms, boys and girls' clubs, and civics groups worldwide to assist it in a massive undertaking designed to keep the world's last remaining orangutans from going extinct...
"Many young people today studying orangutans in school will shortly grow up, and tragically, never get to see these magnificent creatures at play in the wild because they are now being destroyed at unprecedented rates," notes OFI's distinguished founder and president, Dr. Biruté Galdikas. "That's why OFI has decided to take drastic measures to combat this drastic crisis. We're asking young people everywhere to enroll in "Project 560" - because young people have the greatest stake in determining what will be preserved - for themselves, their children, and for posterity. The illegal loggers and miners now plundering the planet's rain forests are simply being driven by old-fashioned adult greed. But young people are much more far-sighted than that, and that is why they will ultimately decide the orangutans' fate - and why they will ultimately hold the key to the world's future in their hands."
$560 a day...Hiring patrols to protect Tanjung Puting National Park against the effects of illegal logging and gold mining is having an extremely positive effect; But the patrols cost money: roughly $560 a day. The costs include maintaining 12 police officers in guard posts and on five chartered boats, along with food, salaries, boat drivers, fuel, equipment, administration, and supplies.
Adopt a Day...The OFI is therefore asking young people to come together in groups, "adopt" a particular day in the calendar, and then institute a fundraising program designed to raise enough money to protect the Park for that day!
StacyInMI
Jun 29 2005, 02:44 PM
Paul, when I click that link I get this message:
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You have entered unsupported characters such as ê. Only German, French, Italian, Spanish and US-English characters are currently supported. Please use alternatives (for example, e instead of ê) and try again.
and it won't take me to where it should, although I think we can just use "orangutan@bigfootresearch.com " as the payee email, right?
nightwing
Jun 29 2005, 02:48 PM
Same here, link seems broken.
I'll try again later though.
Paul1968UK
Jun 29 2005, 11:47 PM
Whoops! - the link is working again folks.
JayleeD
Jul 1 2005, 08:52 AM
I think this is a wonderful idea! Thanks for the link Paul!
chronic
Jul 1 2005, 10:53 AM
As much as I like the orang, I've written it off as inevitably extinct in the wild, but not in zoo's.
Between deforestation and the fact that female's only give birth about once a decade, the wild orang is a falling knife I won't try to catch.
The San Diego Zoo has a GREAT primate center called Absolutely Apes. Money can be donated to Zoological Society of San Diego for any number of their wildlife conservation programs. And if you work for a big company (AT&T, BofA, IBM, Sony, etc) they will probably match your contribution.....ask!
I think any effort to help primate conservation is good

, I'm just picking a different battle.
P.L. Pinkham
Jul 2 2005, 11:39 PM
I gotta help out. You see, "Clyde" from those Clint Eastwood movies helped me out with some cash back in the day, and I never got the chance to repay him. The least I could do is help his kin.
Paul1968UK
Jul 5 2005, 02:57 AM
We are up to $28.92 (should be $30, but those damn paypal fees

)
It's a good start - thanks people
I'll give you another update next Monday.
Paul1968UK
Jul 14 2005, 09:02 AM
As of today, the fund stands at $55.23 - good work people, but still a long way to go.
MountainLady
Jul 14 2005, 09:39 AM
I'm glad you did this, Paul. Orangs are awesome! Every little bit helps.

How can we say "no" to faces like these?
Paul1968UK
Jul 14 2005, 10:29 AM
Fantastic photo.
You can now see a chart of how we are doing at the bottom of every page, linked direct from the paypal account.
You can also use the link to donate
Josh Willard
Jul 14 2005, 11:06 AM
Oruangutans are sooooo cool! They are one of my favorite animals! I basicly like all types of Monkeys, Chimps, etc!
TYPOS!
xvd
Jul 17 2005, 05:03 PM
I think its great that your saving Orangatans 'cause i really like monkeys and if i had some money and were able to sign up for a paypal account i would definetely donate money to save orangatans

i need more money
Ringo
Aug 19 2005, 08:07 PM
They truly are great animals. Seems it would be cheaper to remove them from the area into a protected habitat. Your talking $204, 400 per year, but I agree something needs to be done. That kind of money would feed a lot of starving kids too.
Paul1968UK
Aug 22 2005, 04:39 AM
QUOTE(Ringo @ Aug 20 2005, 03:07 AM)
They truly are great animals. Seems it would be cheaper to remove them from the area into a protected habitat. Your talking $204, 400 per year, but I agree something needs to be done. That kind of money would feed a lot of starving kids too.
Cheaper than protecting the habitat they are already in? Probably not. -
yes, that sort of money could feed starving children, but is that really a good enough reason for us to do nothing?
Paul1968UK
Oct 8 2005, 12:45 PM
Sadly, the fund has increased by just
$10 in the past month.
Doesn't look like we are going to hit our $560 target for 31st December
MountainLady
Oct 12 2005, 06:18 PM

That poor little guy down there is even shocked and sad.
Gosh... we have over 2,000 members on this board. Even if some of them donated just $1 - $3 we'd have plenty to cover one day or more for these precious guys.

Pretty, pretty please? With bigfoot cherries on top?
JayleeD
Dec 7 2005, 09:32 AM
We may not make the December deadline, but we can still give to this great cause.
The Orangatans appreciate it.
JayleeD
Dec 7 2005, 09:33 AM
Thank you for anything you can do.
Hairy Man
Dec 7 2005, 10:19 AM
This is a fantastic idea!!!!
Paul1968UK
Dec 9 2005, 03:29 AM
Just to let you guys know that we are up to $384.37 !!!
I think that is pretty good, but we still need to reach $560
Well done guys, and if you haven't already donated, then please do so even 5 or 10 bucks will help.
wolftrax
Dec 9 2005, 03:41 AM
It is believed that sasquatch came from Gigantopithecus. As far as is known, Giganto evolved from Sivapithecus as did the orangutan. So, by helping to save the orangutan, we are helping sasquatch's closest cousin.
sinatra161
Mar 29 2006, 05:14 AM
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Dec 9 2005, 04:06 AM)

Just to let you guys know that we are up to $384.37 !!!
I think that is pretty good, but we still need to reach $560
Well done guys, and if you haven't already donated, then please do so even 5 or 10 bucks will help.
Whatever happend with this?Did you guys make your goal?How much was collected?(First post out of the way.)
drtimal
Mar 30 2006, 12:27 AM
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ Dec 7 2005, 10:56 AM)

This is a fantastic idea!!!!
I have liked these creatures-orang's since the one in that Clint Eastwood movie.
Paul1968UK
Mar 30 2006, 12:31 AM
QUOTE(sinatra161 @ Mar 29 2006, 12:51 PM)

Whatever happend with this?Did you guys make your goal?How much was collected?(First post out of the way.)
We still haven't reached the target, and in fact the fund hasn't increased since my last post :new_weirdsmiley:
We are nearly there though - if we can get to $500, I will donate the last $60 myself.
Come on guys, we can do this.
anitasanger
Apr 18 2006, 10:23 AM
sounds like a great cause!
Paul1968UK
Aug 23 2006, 12:14 PM
Dissapointingly, no donations have been made to the BFF Orang-utan fund at all this year.
The fund (still) stands at $384.37 at the moment - I don't want to have to send refunds to those who were generous enough to donate.
Come on guys - just a few $$ from everyone who uses this forum, and we can cover the cost of warden patrols to protect the Orang-utans for one day.
druncle Bob
Aug 23 2006, 01:04 PM
I chipped in a few bucks....good luck
Health freak
Jan 24 2007, 11:04 PM
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Jul 1 2005, 08:52 AM)

I think this is a wonderful idea! Thanks for the link Paul!

I just found something interesting relating to big foot extinction. Go to www.palmoiltruthfoundation.com. It shows that despite all the hype, palm oil estates are not the ones responsible for orang utan extinction. The land used for the cultivation is already designated as agricultural land and plantation workers are even taught on how to heal orang utans if they come across an injured one! Really good stuff!
G Baker
Apr 20 2007, 01:55 AM
QUOTE(Health freak @ Jan 24 2007, 11:04 PM)

QUOTE(JayleeD @ Jul 1 2005, 08:52 AM)

I think this is a wonderful idea! Thanks for the link Paul!

I just found something interesting relating to big foot extinction. Go to www.palmoiltruthfoundation.com. It shows that despite all the hype, palm oil estates are not the ones responsible for orang utan extinction. The land used for the cultivation is already designated as agricultural land and plantation workers are even taught on how to heal orang utans if they come across an injured one! Really good stuff!
Whoa, hold on a minute! I think that we've all been taken on a nice long ride by these environmental NGO's. Just read an interesting expose of their devious schemes. Apparently, all this hullabaloo about the orang utan extinction, global warming and palm oil is just a clever ruse by these NGO's such as CSPI, FOE and Wetlands to make us dip into our pockets to inflate their already inflated bank accounts. Go to:
http://www.palmoiltruthfoundation.com/inde...4&Itemid=57for an interesting read about the way these NGO's exploit our compassion to "keep the money rollin in" as the Peron's did in the Evita play. It's all about getting people, governments and corporations to continue providing the funds to keep their greedy schemes going. They could care less about Orang Utans and palm oil, so long as the money keeps rollin in! In Walnut Creek, where I live, we have a sayin: "When we smell the clinking of money, something gives"
They should zoom out and look at the big picture becoz there is so much to be done at home, instead of talking about some primate thousands of miles away (which I understand is protected and the national animal for Malaysia, one of the countries that these NGO's have, unjustifiably pointed their dirty fingers at). But why should these NGO's care, so long as the money keeps rollin in!
Let's tell every living thing that we meet to withold donations to these organizations until they realize that people are not gullible. Let's also write to our governments and corporations to stop donating to NGO's like CSPI, FOE and Wetlands until they stop dredging up scurrilous issues to fill their fat coffers!
Apeman
Apr 20 2007, 06:52 AM
WOW! This thread is where you two chose to make your first posts, you don't happen to be palm oil salesmen do you?
I know I should, but I don't even need to look at the web page to say this: Sure, there is always propaganda involved in debates like this, from both sides. Sure, no debate is ever as simple as it is ever portrayed, especially in the complicated world of environmental conservation. Sure, international NGOs can be financially inefficient and in some cases downright irresponsible. But having worked for and with a few I can say that even the very good ones could
easilybe made to look very bad by anyone interested in making them look that way.
But for me, having never been there myself, the bottomline is that I'm going to side with National Geographic, the World Wildlife Fund, the Orangutan Foundation, the Widlife Conservation Society, the International Primatology Society, the American Society of Primatologists, the Great Ape Survival Project, the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, Conservation International, Fauna and Flora International, the Nature Conservancy and all their many allies and guess that they're probably correct in thinking that palm oil plantations are contributing to the decline in wild orangutans. Not sure why, but I suspect the Palm Oil Truth Foundation might have a
little bit more of an agenda than they do. But maybe I'm the one who is naive.
Apeman
Paul1968UK
Apr 20 2007, 07:25 AM
I couldn't have said it better myself Apeman.
G Baker should have read the posting guidelines, but alas, some people simply want to post and run with their own specific agenda.
Anyway, I was going to bump this thread soon anyway - the fund is still sitting there - contrary to popular belief, I haven't taken a holiday to the carribean with the money - it is safe in a paypal account - we still need about $200 to make the target of $560 - I can't beleive how difficult this has been - there are some very generous people on this forum, but a couple of bucks from every regular member would have seen us make the target easily - I had thought we would reach the target by Christmas 2005, not Christmas 2007!!
Anway, here is the deal - if you guys can get the total up to $460 in the next couple of months, I will contribute the last $100 myself.
G Baker
May 11 2007, 12:57 AM
I reckon Chief Whip, that you've got your heart in the right place. Unfortunately you haven't yet learnt the ways of the accomplished "Environmental NGOs". Simple. Start an organization with a "Friends of..." or " ....something environmental Fund" or "Center for Science ...." or any aphabet soup organization that carries a nice ring, better if it also sounds credible.
Then dredge up some crummy non-issue such as palm oil and use the media to hype it up. Next, go with a nice position papered corporate kit and solicit donations from gullible corporations and governments. Voila, the money keeps rollin in... and rollin in ...and rollin in! There's no need to stand with begging bowl in hand in a street or mall corner nor solicit on the net. Play the game right, and there'd be no shortage of funds! Hey, even some of the umbrella UN organizations are not immune from occasionally resorting to such strategems!
Who cares about your target, the victim of your crummy non-issue so long as the money keeps rollin in. Now you understand why virtually every NGO is jumping on the Global Warming issue? Conscionable scientists and the informed public knows that Global Warming is cyclical. It has occured throughout the epochs of geological time whether humans have been inhabiting the earth or not. Howeve

r, the way the media has been lapping it up, it is no wonder that this issue is proving to be the biggest money spinner for these environmental NGOs ever. Even a failed Vice President could not resist jumping on the bandwagon! You can bet palm oil would be victimized on this issue...in fact it has already started. How disgusting!
rockinkt
May 11 2007, 03:22 AM
Those are pretty shocking generalizations you are making Mr. Baker.
While I normally do not donate to specific wildlife causes because I prefer to work with charities that are people orientated ( I sit on the board of directors for three charities in my community) - I am certainly not so silly as to brand all environmental concerns as fraudulent.
I do not doubt the sincerity of the tens of thousands of people who dedicate their lives to assist the world in the way that they think best - even if their goals are not my own.
Paul has got his heart - and his rather efficient mind - in the right place.
Putting my money where my mouth is - my donation has just been made.
tsiatkoVS
May 14 2007, 08:51 AM
Usually when someone makes a sweeping generalization like that about something as diverse as NGOs or a subset like conservation groups has already made up their mind, damn the evidence.
The statement, "All _________ (insert your least favorite political group) are bad," can usually be assumed to be wrong.
Please note qualifiers. They're wonderful things, you know. You should try them sometime.
Kudos to PaulUK and all that support him on this issue.
Apeman
Jul 26 2007, 11:19 AM
Since we were most recently discussing the impact of palm oil plantations on orangs...
Palm workers killing orangutansAwful.
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The Manilla Times
Thursday, July 26, 2007
Activists: Palm oil workers killing endangered orangutans
JAKARTA: Workers on Indonesian palm oil plantations are deliberately killing endangered orangutans on the island of Borneo to stop them eating their seedlings, activists said on Wednesday.
Hardi Baktiantoro, director of the Center for Orangutan Protection (COP), said at least 1,500 orangutans perished in 2006, most as a result of deliberate attacks but also due to their habitat disappearing to make way for palm oil plantations.
“Orangutans have become the victims of torture by plantation workers as they wander and eat palm oil seedlings for survival,” Baktiantoro told reporters.
As plantation workers had to pay concession companies for the loss of the seedlings, they had no choice but to pursue the primates, he said.
Video footage screened at a press briefing showed dead orangutans with severe head wounds allegedly inflicted by workers as well as severely injured animals that were treated by COP and other local rescue teams.
Baktiantoro said that “even though this kind of cruelty violates Indonesia’s law on biodiversity conservation, no one until now has been arrested for this crime.”
The COP urged the Indonesian government to immediately cancel concessions to palm oil companies in a bid to protect the orangutans.
“Central Kalimantan is the final frontier of the orangutan population in Indonesia. If the forest clearing continues, we will soon lose our national treasure,” he warned.
Scientists estimate that 34,000 orangutans remain in Central Kalimantan province on Borneo.
Vice-President Jusuf Kalla has said that Indonesia plans to be the largest palm oil producer by 2008 amid strong demand from the global food, biofuel and chemicals industries.
Indonesia is currently the second largest producer after Malaysia although it has a much larger area for plantations. The two countries account for 85 percent of world production.
A spokesman for the Indonesian Palm Oil Producers’ Association was not immediately available for comment.
--AFP
Apeman
Sep 5 2007, 12:32 PM
The darker side of biofuels...
MSNBC storyQUOTE
Orangutans squeezed by biofuel boom
Indonesia, conservationists have different views of palm oil plantations
By Chris Brummitt
Updated: 9:49 a.m. PT Sept 4, 2007
TUMBANG KULING, Indonesia - Naingolan shunts the excavator into high gear and tears into a patch of smoldering forest on Borneo island, clearing the way for yet another palm oil plantation that Indonesia hopes will tap into a surge in global demand for biofuels.
Despite government claims pristine jungles are escaping the effects of the “green solution” to the energy crunch, the boom is threatening the survival of animals like the endangered orangutan and turning the country into a major global warming contributor, environmentalists say.
read the rest at the link.
JayleeD
Sep 18 2007, 05:30 AM
A BIG OLE BUMP!!!
Paul are we any closer to goal than we were back in the spring? I'm sending another donation because I truly believe this is a great cause. Come on folks...just a couple of dollars each and we can get this done!
Any help you can give will be appreciated!
Paul1968UK
Sep 18 2007, 07:05 AM
Nope - I haven't checked the account lately, but I haven't had any donation emails for a long, long time.
If we don't make the target by the end of the year, I'll make up the difference myself.
G Baker
Nov 12 2007, 04:02 AM
Paul, I agree that you're genuine. It's just that all this palm oil bashing by the environmental NGO's such as FOE< Treehugger and Wetlands have got my goat.
It rankles because we all know that palm oil is a widely available oil that is cheap and basically good for the environment as a biofuel. The attacks, I suspect is funded by western oils that, as the song goes "costs too much to be free!" That's what rankles.
Fortunately, people are wising up to this. In a recent Palm Oil Truth article, it was pointed out that an Ipsos Mori Poll just 2 months ago, conducted in the UK where more than 3,000 people were polled, revealed that the majority believed that the global warming issue was hyped up by these NGO's just to make money! See
http://www.palmoiltruthfoundation.com/inde...&Itemid=558
jimf
Nov 19 2007, 06:11 PM
Dude...seriously!! Post once about it, what you're doing is called "spamming".
mkianni
Nov 19 2007, 06:13 PM
bigfoot_project,
You should probably start your own thread with these questions.
Posting this in multiple threads on consecutive nights will not be well received by the administrators of this forum.
Just a little advice.
moregon
Nov 19 2007, 06:27 PM
Spam post gone.
JayleeD
Nov 19 2007, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(G Baker @ Nov 12 2007, 04:02 AM)

Paul, I agree that you're genuine. It's just that all this palm oil bashing by the environmental NGO's such as FOE< Treehugger and Wetlands have got my goat.
It rankles because we all know that palm oil is a widely available oil that is cheap and basically good for the environment as a biofuel. The attacks, I suspect is funded by western oils that, as the song goes "costs too much to be free!" That's what rankles.
Fortunately, people are wising up to this. In a recent Palm Oil Truth article, it was pointed out that an Ipsos Mori Poll just 2 months ago, conducted in the UK where more than 3,000 people were polled, revealed that the majority believed that the global warming issue was hyped up by these NGO's just to make money! See
http://www.palmoiltruthfoundation.com/inde...&Itemid=558Hey, we're just trying to help out a few of our orange colored brothers here. No need to bring all this up.
Edit to say...G Baker, it seems that you've been trying to enlighten those of us who have chosen to back this cause since April of this year. Apparently you have your profile set to *ping* you when anything is posted to this thread. You know, sometimes good people just want to do what they think is the right thing to do. Take it somewhere else and don't worry your pretty little head about whether we meet our goal or not.
IMO, you're nothing but a spammer. See Ya!
Apeman
Dec 7 2007, 08:23 PM
This might get bumped for Nebraska news but they usually send updates by now so this looks like it's on.
QUOTE
Nightline Daily E-Mail
Tonight on 'Nightline'
Dec. 7, 2007
Orangutans Going Extinct?
The orangutan population is in danger and seriously on the decline due to hunting, illegal trade and deforestation. Some say they may become extinct within the next decade.
Nyaru Menteng is an orangutan rehabilitation center in Kalimantan, Indonesia, near the city of Palangkaraya. There, Lone Droscher-Nielsen, an orangutan enthusiast from Denmark, co-founded the project with the Bornean Orangutan Society (BOS) with the support of local forestry officials.
Tonight, ABC News' Nick Watt looks at her organization's remarkable story.
StacyInMI
Dec 7 2007, 11:11 PM
I'm inspired to kick in again to get this done...
Anyone seen "
Orangutan Island" on Animal Planet? Wonderful show!
JayleeD
Dec 8 2007, 05:23 AM
I love that show Stacy!
Paul1968UK
Dec 8 2007, 09:10 AM
Following a very generous donation, we are probably very nearly there - I'll take a look at the current figure later today when I get a few minutes.
Paul1968UK
Dec 8 2007, 02:29 PM
With a second donation today, we have finally reached our target of $560. The bff paypal account currently has $572. I have just sent an email to the foundation to find out where to send the money.
It is a small gesture in some ways given the scale of the problem, but our donations are now able to fund security patrols for one day.
I'll post again when I hear back from them.
Well done guys - I didn't expect this to take two years, but I am really pleased that we got there in the end.
JayleeD
Dec 9 2007, 08:31 AM
Way to go guys and gals!
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